Questions on Article Marketing

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I'm new to the forum but have read pretty extensively on this topic here in various threads - where Alexa, Anne, myob, etc. have advocated article marketing (syndicating one's article) vs. just spinning and posting on as many article directories.

I like what they suggest because it's something long-term and it creates good content and is not just trying to outsmart google.

I have some questions for them.

1) I understand the idea of spinning is to get backlinks rather than to get one's article syndicated around the web. People who syndicate other people's articles will only get good quality ones and so that rules out spinned articles of low quality. I believe the idea in doing syndication and doing high quality articles is to get one's articles reposted by high ranking websites. And thus that beats 50-100k links of PR0 websites (as has been mentioned many times by Alexa). Therefore, aiming for syndication seems like a long-term strategy. It works when one builds up a network of those who syndicate one's article. That may take a bit of time. I'm not disputing or arguing against the above. I agree it's a good strategy.

However, it's also been said by the above people that google's Panda update somehow has caused much suffering for those who spin articles. I'm assuming it's because links from the many article directories are worth even less now. This, I can understand. However, my question is does the fact that it's low quality and that it can't really be read properly coz it's obviously gone through a spinning software - can this be automatically detected by google? Can their software actually do this? Or have they merely given links from the many article directories lower link power and thus if we merely rely on link juice from links back from our articles on the article directory, it won't be much.

I ask this question because I want to get to the root of why article marketing is better than article directory marketing. Is it mostly because article marketing and syndication wins out as good articles (non-spinned ones) will be syndicated by high pr sites and therefore you get the link juice (and targetted traffic) from links back from those sites? Whereas spinned articles would mostly stay on the article directories and not get syndicated and thus will get low link juice (and no targetted traffic) as they remain on article directories. Is this the main reason? Or is another reason also that google can somehow detect spinned articles through its algorithm?

2) If one produces a high quality article and put it on an article directory, in addition to good websites reposting your article, there will be a lot of low pr blogs reposting it. Will this in any way affect you?

3) I've often read through the many threads that article marketing is somehow positioned as against or an alternative to SEO. Why is this so? Is it because the main purpose is not SEO, but getting targeted traffic to one's website through syndicators that already are in one's niche - as opposed to getting users through google and search engines? Yet, does this not have secondary SEO benefits because links from high pr sites are going to your website?

4) I think this has been mentioned before about how google likes relevant links. I'm assuming there are many levels to this. Not just that the website one links to has relevance to the whole of the article where the link is, but also that the article is in a website that is relevant to the article's topic? Am I right in this? Therefore, a link from an article directory website (where there's tons of different topics that are not relevant to the article) is worth less than a link from a website dedicated to the topic of the article (like if your article on some disease is syndicated and placed in a health website)

5) What kind of page do you link to? If you're just doing spinning and other short-term blackhat ways of IM, you don't need to upkeep your reputation, unlike syndicate marketing where your reputation counts. With the blackhat way, the point is the link to the landing page that sells the affiliate product. But I guess this would be different. How so?

6) There are tons of courses out there by well known names. Is this strategy something widely accepted or is it unique?

7) What course would you recommend? I know Anne recommended the Article Marketing Matrix. How good is it? Has all the information already been discussed on the forum? Are there any other good courses out there?

8) Learning all this about Article Marketing I believe is just one part of IM. If one were to master Article Marketing, what other areas would want need to master and look into to create an overall successful package to make money?

Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    1) I understand the idea of spinning is to get backlinks rather than to get one's article syndicated around the web.
    Spinning is actually something that's been made popular by people who don't understand the difference between duplicate content and syndicated content. These people (mistakenly) think that if their articles get posted verbatim on a bunch of different websites, that it's somehow going to hurt them. It's not. Spinning turns your articles into gobbledy-gook and, because it's not combating duplicate content, it's really just a waste of your time.

    You can get the same backlinks whether you post the same exact article to 10 directories or spun versions of an article to 10 directories. However, if you're publishing low-quality spun articles, they won't get syndicated - and you'll wind up missing out on the "meat" of the backlinks you get when your articles get re-published.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    However, it's also been said by the above people that google's Panda update somehow has caused much suffering for those who spin articles. I'm assuming it's because links from the many article directories are worth even less now. This, I can understand. However, my question is does the fact that it's low quality and that it can't really be read properly coz it's obviously gone through a spinning software - can this be automatically detected by google? Can their software actually do this? Or have they merely given links from the many article directories lower link power and thus if we merely rely on link juice from links back from our articles on the article directory, it won't be much.
    Only Google can answer exactly what its spiders can "read". However, the links from article directories aren't any less potent now than they were before Panda. Before Panda, your articles were being published on their own PR0 pages - and they're still being published on those individual PR0 pages today. The only difference after Panda is that the PR of the article directories' home pages have gone down.


    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    I ask this question because I want to get to the root of why article marketing is better than article directory marketing.
    With "article directory marketing", you're banking on quantity over quality. You're hoping that a ton of PR0 article directory links will be enough to give you a boost. That's why you see people "churning out" or "blasting" articles to every big and small directory they can find - without really taking the time to make sure they're publishing something of value. They just want a quick backlink.

    With "article marketing", you're banking on quality and quantity. You're not just relying on a ton of PR0 article directory links. You're also relying on links from sites that syndicate your content - and will have much higher value than the PR0's.


    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    2) If one produces a high quality article and put it on an article directory, in addition to good websites reposting your article, there will be a lot of low pr blogs reposting it. Will this in any way affect you?
    Why would it? Even if you're getting a low-PR link, a link is a link. It may not give you a major SEO boost, but I can't see why it would hurt you. If it did, all you would have to do would be to publish your competitors' articles on low-quality blogs and damage them. Luckily, that's not how it works


    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    3) I've often read through the many threads that article marketing is somehow positioned as against or an alternative to SEO. Why is this so?
    I have no idea! It may take additional skill, but it is certainly possible to write quality content that's also properly optimized. You absolutely should be targeting keywords in each of your articles. Even though you don't want your business to completely rely on the search engines, why would you shut them out entirely? If you do that, you're passing up traffic and sales.


    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    4) I think this has been mentioned before about how google likes relevant links. I'm assuming there are many levels to this. Not just that the website one links to has relevance to the whole of the article where the link is, but also that the article is in a website that is relevant to the article's topic? Am I right in this? Therefore, a link from an article directory website (where there's tons of different topics that are not relevant to the article) is worth less than a link from a website dedicated to the topic of the article (like if your article on some disease is syndicated and placed in a health website)
    Again, that's a question that can only be definitively answered by Google. I would imagine that if your disease article is re-published on a health website that you're going to get more "credit" than if it were re-published on a website about widgets. Honestly, I don't worry about that much, because I can't control who syndicates my articles. If someone wants to put my article on a website that has nothing to do with the topic, that's their choice


    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    5) What kind of page do you link to?
    Whatever is most useful for your readers. Lots of people think you always have to link to your home page, but that's not true. If you have an internal page that's more relevant to your article's topic than the home page, link to it. Plus, you'll benefit more SEO-wise from linking to internal pages - because it shows the search engines that all of your pages have value, not just the home page.


    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    6) There are tons of courses out there by well known names. Is this strategy something widely accepted or is it unique?
    Doing article marketing based on syndication is certainly not a "unique" or "new" idea. It's what the article directories were originally created for - to be a place where site owners could go to get free content for their own sites.

    When you look at it that way, it's actually the backlink-hungry, sub-par article publishers who are "unique" and "unconventional".

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    7) What course would you recommend? I know Anne recommended the Article Marketing Matrix. How good is it? Has all the information already been discussed on the forum? Are there any other good courses out there?
    No clue... I'd start with Anne's recommendation.


    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    8) Learning all this about Article Marketing I believe is just one part of IM. If one were to master Article Marketing, what other areas would want need to master and look into to create an overall successful package to make money?
    You'll need to develop an entire marketing strategy that relies on several different methods. Yes, article marketing (when done the right way) is an amazing way to get your name, your link, and your expertise out there for the world to see. However, that doesn't mean you put all of your eggs in one basket!
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    1. Answering whether it is actually read by Google or not is a question for Google. However, many spun articles, that are done with software are so poorly written and such jumbled phrases, that yes they do harm your chances of being linked. Human readers will report them when they run across them and that will turn up flags for your domain. You may get some initial juice from it but eventually it will catch up with you. Articles spun by hand have a better chance of surviving because most of them continue to make sense and can beat the duplicate content rules.

    2.High quality articles, syndicated, re-posted or otherwise used wisely continue to drive traffic and get links to your site.

    3. Article marketing is actually a big part of SEO work. Making sure that you are producing quality articles with a good keyword and phrase density helps to bring attention to your articles when they are posted. Stuffing your articles with keywords and phrases does not help.

    4. The absolute strength of placement would have to lie somewhere in the search algorithms, but if you have a highly placed article on a health blog about a particular subject with links to it from an introductory piece on an respected article directory. I believe you are helping yourself grow.

    5. If you are going to push out enough links to get you noticed and you don't care about the long term effects on your domain. You can get noticed in a hurry. But hope that you make enough sales to cover your costs because your star will flame out in a hurry.

    6. If the strategy you are talking about is Article Marketing, yes there are a lot of courses out there that cover it. It the strategy is massive attack without worrying about long-term reputation then there are even more courses available.

    7. If you are going to do your own writing then almost any course you find in the pages here will do you well. However, the hardest part of a concentrated and effective article marketing program is the ability to continually write and post articles that are fresh and provide quality information that would make others want to link to your sites and content.

    8. Article marketing, product creation, content creation, SEO, link building, page rank, joint venture marketing, list building, autoresponders, copywriting, page design, web design and the list goes on. There seems to be an unlimited number of tasks to accomplish in order to produce a package. There are multiple courses to learn each one of these items here in the Warrior Forum. If you have a good idea outside of the IM niche then often you do well by learning one or two of the main tasks and then outsourcing and managing the development of your site while you concentrate on what actually goes into the site and the strategy to promote it.

    Hope this helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author madzstar
    I actually have the same questions i think that article marketing is not a bad method of marketing though
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Be cautious about over-thinking such things as article marketing, etc. There are no DEFINITIVE answers - we can only answer from our own knowledge and experience.

      I've been "article marketing" for over ten years and the only spinning I' ve done is for specific purposes such as Unique Article Wizard My "spun" articles for such purposes are totally nique when I'm done with them so it's not spinning as some talk about it here.

      I do directory marketing as well and have good results with that, too. A combination of methods is sometimes the right path.

      Point is - you can study courses for months and the answer is still "what works best for you is the best plan". You'll learn more from doing than reading in many cases.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    1) I understand the idea of spinning is to get backlinks
    If it is, then it's grotesquely misguided, because the value of a given backlink on a given page of the web isn't somehow magically improved by the content to which it's attached being spun. (And even the people selling spinning software/services aren't alleging that).

    When people claim "backlinks" as an advantage of spinning, their attribution of causation is just plain wrong. They could get exactly the same backlinks, and exactly the same link-juice value from them, without the spinning.

    People confuse correlation with causation. They spin articles and mass-submit them and get the backlinks and then they proudly announce "I'm getting backlinks from spinning". There's just no logic there at all. Some are people who just don't realise, and others are promoters of spinning services.

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    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    I believe the idea in doing syndication and doing high quality articles is to get one's articles reposted by high ranking websites.
    No; it really isn't.

    The idea of having high quality articles syndicated is to get targeted traffic.

    Article marketing is a traffic-generation method in its own right, not primarily a method of SEO (getting Google traffic).

    One of the great attractions of article marketing is that it produces a business which isn't dependent on Google for its primary traffic. (As so many Warriors have been discovering, especially this year, businesses which depend on Google for their primary traffic are only ever one algorithm-change away from a potential disaster).

    It's true that I have some high rankings, but if Google de-indexed all my websites tomorrow, I'd still have at least 80% of my traffic.

    This post explains the difference between trying to use articles for SEO and using them to attract traffic.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    And thus that beats 50-100k links of PR0 websites
    Yes, this is also true - but that's a side-benefit, not "what the business is all about".

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    my question is does the fact that it's low quality and that it can't really be read properly coz it's obviously gone through a spinning software - can this be automatically detected by google? Can their software actually do this?
    Only Google can answer this question. Anyone else will be guessing. I think that Google don't answer this directly, but recent Matt Cutts videos I've seen have strongly suggested to me that the answer's "yes" (others may disagree) and people who have have previously worked for search engines certainly seem to think it is. That's my opinion only. Others may interpret these things differently.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    I want to get to the root of why article marketing is better than article directory marketing.
    "One works and the other doesn't", I suspect, is good enough for many here.

    There are 100+ threads with titles like "Article Marketing Is Dead" and what all their starters/contributors have in common is that what they've been doing is actually article directory marketing.

    That doesn't altogether answer your question, though.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    Is it mostly because article marketing and syndication wins out as good articles (non-spinned ones) will be syndicated by high pr sites and therefore you get the link juice (and targetted traffic) from links back from those sites?
    That's certainly true. Whether or not it's "the main reason" we can't tell. I prefer to leave the causality arguments to others. What matters to me is the result, because I have a mortgage to pay.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    Whereas spinned articles would mostly stay on the article directories and not get syndicated and thus will get low link juice (and no targetted traffic) as they remain on article directories.
    It's certainly true that article directory backlinks have very, very little value compared with those from relevant sites.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    Or is another reason also that google can somehow detect spinned articles through its algorithm?
    I think they can, but I can't prove it, and to me it doesn't matter anyway.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    2) If one produces a high quality article and put it on an article directory, in addition to good websites reposting your article, there will be a lot of low pr blogs reposting it. Will this in any way affect you?
    Blogs don't "have page rank". Only pages have page rank.

    Page ranks have very little to do with SEO, these days.

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    But having your articles syndicated to "bad sites" as well as to "good sites" doesn't carry any downside, anyway.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    I've often read through the many threads that article marketing is somehow positioned as against or an alternative to SEO. Why is this so? Is it because the main purpose is not SEO
    I think so, yes. Because it's so much more than SEO.

    As so many of us here have discovered, it's true that the SEO that arises through successful article syndication is (ironically?) incomparably better and more helpful than that arising from "article directory marketing" whose main aim is SEO, but there's no great surprise there, I think - not once you appreciate (as so many of us now do) that relevance is what primarily determines link-juice.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    Yet, does this not have secondary SEO benefits
    Yes, indeed - very much so.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    because links from high pr sites are going to your website?
    No.

    Sites don't "have PR". Only pages have PR.

    The reason for it is mostly that they're relevant sites.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    I'm assuming there are many levels to this. Not just that the website one links to has relevance to the whole of the article where the link is, but also that the article is in a website that is relevant to the article's topic? Am I right in this?
    Again, perhaps nobody can prove it. But I read what Google says, what Matt Cutts says, what textbook writers say, what the SEO consultants I know and trust and successfully rely on say, my own experience, and the experience of others I know and trust is all telling me this. So that's kind of a "yes, but I can prove it only circumstantially, not directly" (which is the best answer you're going to find, I think, because nobody else can, either?).

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    Therefore, a link from an article directory website (where there's tons of different topics that are not relevant to the article) is worth less than a link from a website dedicated to the topic of the article
    I don't think anyone can seriously question that. I don't think even the director of studies at the Urban Myth School of internet marketing can question that one.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    5) What kind of page do you link to?
    My landing page.

    The page where I want the traffic.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    6) There are tons of courses out there by well known names.
    I'm not that up-to-date, but most of the "courses" I've seen and/or know much about are teaching "article directory marketing" and calling it "article marketing". I hope there are some better ones I don't know about.

    There's a lot of very valuable information about article marketing on Anne Pottinger's blog.

    (I can't comment on your Question 7 so I've missed that out).

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    8) Learning all this about Article Marketing I believe is just one part of IM.
    Certainly - and not one that will suit everyone. You need to be able either to write or to buy the articles. As against that, you need far fewer of them to attract targeted traffic this way, if you're not depending on Google. Again, as explained/illustrated here.

    Originally Posted by socialjustice View Post

    If one were to master Article Marketing, what other areas would want need to master and look into to create an overall successful package to make money?
    Well, article marketing is the "traffic generation" part of the business ... so "everything else other than generating the traffic", really. (Sorry, not much of an answer, but it's a huge question ).
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    • Profile picture of the author SlfMastery
      "SocialJustice":

      I'm not sure what your definition of Article Marketing vs Article Directories is. But, I thought they are one in the same.

      It used to be you would write SEO optimized articles and get ranked with the help of the Article Directory's "authority." But after the Farmers? Panda? update, they are viewed as content farms. Not good for ranking articles.

      If you want to rank articles, StreetArticles.com have been getting articles ranked, but make sure it is an original article.

      As far is spinning is concerned, one would spin an article in hopes that it looks different in the eyes of Google. Therefore, hoping that multiple spun articles get ranked.

      If you are going strictly for back links, submitting the same article to multiple Article Directories would be fine.

      It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

        I'm not sure what your definition of Article Marketing vs Article Directories is. But, I thought they are one in the same.
        They're completely, radically different.

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        One refers to getting well-written articles in front of highly targeted traffic, as explained here.

        The other refers to an attempt to use article directories for their own backlinks and/or their own traffic, as explained in 100+ threads here, typically with titles like "Article Marketing Is Dead" (for understandable reasons, albeit that those threads are collectively mistitled and actually refer not to article marketing per se but just to article directory marketing).

        Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

        It used to be you would write SEO optimized articles and get ranked with the help of the Article Directory's "authority." But after the Farmers? Panda? update, they are viewed as content farms. Not good for ranking articles.
        This was so, for at least a couple of years to my own knowledge, even before the Panda updates started. I do see that it's arguable that the Panda updates were perhaps the last nail in the already fairly firmly closed coffin-lid of article directory marketing, though. It was undeniably after the first of the so-called Panda updates that article directories' owners started saying so openly that their traffic and rankings had all-but-disappeared.

        Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

        If you want to rank articles, StreetArticles.com have been getting articles ranked, but make sure it is an original article.
        Street Articles is discussed in this forum, in many threads.

        It isn't, however, an article directory.

        Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

        As far is spinning is concerned, one would spin an article in hopes that it looks different in the eyes of Google. Therefore, hoping that multiple spun articles get ranked.
        This is a completely misguided approach.

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        • Profile picture of the author SlfMastery
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          They're completely, radically different.

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          One refers to getting well-written articles in front of highly targeted traffic, as explained here.

          The other refers to an attempt to use article directories for their own backlinks and/or their own traffic, as explained in 100+ threads here, typically with titles like "Article Marketing Is Dead" (for understandable reasons, albeit that those threads are collectively mistitled and actually refer not to article marketing per se but just to article directory marketing).



          This was so, for at least a couple of years to my own knowledge, even before the Panda updates started. I do see that it's arguable that the Panda updates were perhaps the last nail in the already fairly firmly closed coffin-lid of article directory marketing, though. It was undeniably after the first of the so-called Panda updates that article directories' owners started saying so openly that their traffic and rankings had all-but-disappeared.



          Street Articles is discussed in this forum, in many threads.

          It isn't, however, an article directory.



          This is a completely misguided approach.

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          Hi Alexa:

          Thanks for breaking it down.

          Couple things came to my mind as I read your reply.

          Wasn't "Bum Marketing" a way to rank (low competition) keywords in SERPs via Articles on Article Directories like EzineArticles? And, if you spun it good enough could be seen as "unique" and also rank in SERPs via a Squidoo Lens, for example?

          I would call that Article Marketing, yes? And, if you could spin it good enough to look "unique," you could get multiple rankings in the SERPs. That is the whole purpose of spinning, in my opinion.

          Correct me if I'm wrong.


          I agree Article Directories are now used for 1) their own on-site traffic and 2) for their back links they provide back to your site (although like you mentioned in a post you wrote, there's very little link juice passed. However, you do have the "relevant content" and "keyword in anchor text" factors for SEO purposes)



          Lastly is a question on a post you wrote:
          If, instead, you get your articles syndicated to some relevant authority sites, now that's a whole different matter. That gives you targeted traffic and powerful backlinks and the ability to earn a living.
          When you talk about Article Syndication, you're talking about niche specific "authority" sites publishing your article, right?

          But, doesn't the word "syndication" mean publishing the exact same article at various niche specific "authority" sites? If so, could you please tell us where these niche "authority" sites are? All the high ranking niche sites accept only UNIQUE articles, as far as I know. Thus, you'd have to spin an article really good to pass their "copyscape" filters.

          And, just so I know, if StreetArticles, is not an Article Directory, what is it?

          We, or at least I, would like to learn more.

          Thanks for your input.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

            Wasn't "Bum Marketing" a way to rank (low competition) keywords in SERPs via Articles on Article Directories like EzineArticles?
            I think so. But it's a little tricky to discuss because as explained here and in similar threads people (especially in this forum) tend to use the term "bum marketing" with two distinctly different meanings. One of those meanings certainly relates to the idea of using article directory copies of articles to rank for keywords, in other words it's "article directory marketing" rather than "article marketing", but I think that Travis himself would be the first to agree that that's clearly historical, now. (He does post here sometimes, and may see the thread and respond, by the way).

            Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

            And, if you spun it good enough could be seen as "unique" and also rank in SERPs via a Squidoo Lens, for example?
            That was so two or three years ago. Much less so now, I think you'll find (I stopped using Squidoo nearly two years ago, myself, for this reason).

            Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

            I would call that Article Marketing, yes?
            I think you'll find, these days, that almost all the article marketing community here would call that "article directory marketing", actually. It's a very, very different idea.

            Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

            And, if you could spin it good enough to look "unique," you could get multiple rankings in the SERPs. That is the whole purpose of spinning, in my opinion.

            Correct me if I'm wrong.
            You're wrong.

            This may have been true a while ago, I think. But if so, only before I came online 3 years ago because it certainly hasn't been so within my memory/experience. And Google's 2011 algorithm changes (which they say are merely the first part of an ongoing, continuing process) have certainly made that idea no longer beneficial. If you manage to get them, they'll typically be too far down the SERP's for potential customers to see them anyway. But that's a good thing, not a bad thing: you certainly wouldn't/shouldn't want your potential customers going off to an article directory rather than straight to your own site. That's not who the article directory copies are there for at all.

            I know that many people say that it was only these "Panda updates" that knocked that idea on the head, but I don't actually agree with them about that. I think - from my own pre-Panda experiences, that they'd been knocked on the head well before that. I can see, though, that the Panda updates might have been the last nail in their already-well-closed coffin-lid.

            But your question's really discussed and answered in quite some detail in this thread and again in this thread.

            Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

            I agree Article Directories are now used for 1) their own on-site traffic and 2) for their back links they provide back to your site
            You agree with whom, about that?

            The successful article marketers here aren't saying that at all.

            In fact we're all saying the exact opposite - that there's no point in trying to use article directories for their own on-site traffic or backlinks to your site.

            It's explained here in some detail: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ries-work.html

            Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

            When you talk about Article Syndication, you're talking about niche specific "authority" sites publishing your article, right?
            They won't all be authority sites, clearly (nobody's that lucky!), but it can include that, certainly.

            Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

            But, doesn't the word "syndication" mean publishing the exact same article at various niche specific "authority" sites? If so, could you please tell us where these niche "authority" sites are? All the high ranking niche sites accept only UNIQUE articles, as far as I know.
            Sorry - I'm not trying to be either impolite or contradictory for the sake of it, I promise, but this is simply completely wrong.

            Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

            Thus, you'd have to spin an article really good to pass their "copyscape" filters.
            Clearly, no website to which I've ever had an article syndicated (something that's happened a high 5-figure number of times!) has had a "copyscape filter"!

            Publishers who use article directories for their intended purpose, and webmasters who do the same, to source their continual content requirements, clearly don't care whether the content they publish has previously been published elsewhere, do they? And, fortunately, neither do the publishers/site-owners/webmasters who may not yet have syndicated content from directories but still react very favourably to email approaches offering them material for publication. I don't think I've ever even been asked whether the articles I'm offering "have previously been published". Nobody cares. Why should they?

            Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

            And, just so I know, if StreetArticles, is not an Article Directory, what is it?
            I had a good look at it last time someone asked about this site. (I know that someone who's doing some sort of "course" has been recommending it recently, for some reason?) I found absolutely no sign at all that it was an article directory. Clearly it's an article submission site, but as I remember it's more along the lines of "InfoBarrel", isn't it? It's not intended at all to be used as a directory by publishers looking for available free content to syndicate, because the work published there isn't actually even available for free syndication, as I remember?

            To me, it has no value because it requires previously unpublished content. Article directories don't require previously unpublished content. When I have previously unpublished content, I publish it on my own site and have it indexed there first, obviously, for all the shared reasons explained in such detail and at such length by all the successful article marketers contributing to this thread. I'm trying to build up my business, not someone else's.

            Again, an "article directory" is a depository of articles to which publishers (of ezines) and webmasters are invited by their authors to help themselves, and to syndicate (with the links intact, of course).

            As explained here.
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            • Profile picture of the author ekxstores
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              • Profile picture of the author SlfMastery
                Hi Alexa:

                I was referring to what you said earlier but I guess I misunderstood when you said:

                Mass Article Submission and Article Syndication. Any Difference?

                One refers to getting well-written articles in front of highly targeted traffic, as explained here.

                The other refers to an attempt to use article directories for their own backlinks and/or their own traffic, as explained in 100+ threads here, typically with titles like "Article Marketing Is Dead" (for understandable reasons, albeit that those threads are collectively mistitled and actually refer not to article marketing per se but just to article directory marketing).
                I guess you were stating what is being said in the forum but you do not agree with it.

                I now see you said, "...ATTEMPT to use article directories for their own back links and/or their own traffic..."

                Now, I can see how the back links coming from mass submissions to article directories are now "watered down" and may now be worth the (lack of) juice. But, if it's easy to do, then it could only add to the diversity of your link profile, yes?

                However, regarding submitting your articles to directories for their traffic, this was just ONE way a VERY successful marketer got traffic to his client's site. I emphasize just ONE way.

                This successful marketer could be the one you're referring to when you say to publish your article on YOUR site first, then submit them to article directories.

                I have not had any problems submitting the exact same articles to directories, but I DID have a problem submitting them to a niche site. I guess I was "lucky" to find one since you've never came across one after a "5-figure number of times."
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                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                  Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

                  if it's easy to do, then it could only add to the diversity of your link profile, yes?
                  With apologies, SlfM, we're not quite speaking the same language.

                  To me, if you'll excuse my somewhat forthright wording, "the diversity of your link profile" is a bit of nonsense-speak generally put about by people selling cheap backlinking packages who want their prospective customers to imagine that "diversity", in itself, somehow has some realistic SEO-value and isn't just an attempted way of justifying poor quality, non-relevant, worthless backlinks. My own observations and assessments of the SEO-quality of my potential competitors (among a lot of other things), when I do my bit of keyword research, leads me not to share that perspective.

                  It reminds me slightly of the sort of conversations we sometimes see here in a WSO thread, when a prospective customer will ask something ike "Will these 20,000 'forum profile backlinks' really help my off-page SEO?" and the vendor (with his fingers crossed behind his back, as I imagine it!) replies with something like "Certainly, because they'll increase the 'diversity of your link profile'."

                  Please excuse my not commenting further.

                  Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

                  I DID have a problem submitting them to a niche site. I guess I was "lucky" to find one since you've never came across one after a "5-figure number of times."
                  I confess I'm curious about what sort of niche site it was, to which you were able to (try to) submit an article yourself. I don't think I've ever done that. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author GeoMasters
    Hey a wso came out recently about article marketing. You might want to check it out. I think it was called article traffic explosion or article marketing explosion. It was one of those two names, but it's a video course and it's pretty good.
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    • Profile picture of the author SlfMastery
      Well, Hello Again Alexa

      Originally Posted by SlfMastery
      if it's easy to do, then it could only add to the diversity of your link profile, yes?
      With apologies, SlfM, we're not quite speaking the same language.

      To me, if you'll excuse my somewhat forthright wording, "the diversity of your link profile" is a bit of nonsense-speak generally put about by people selling cheap backlinking packages who want their prospective customers to imagine that "diversity", in itself, somehow has some realistic SEO-value and isn't just an attempted way of justifying poor quality, non-relevant, worthless backlinks. My own observations and assessments of the SEO-quality of my potential competitors (among a lot of other things), when I do my bit of keyword research, leads me not to share that perspective.

      It reminds me slightly of the sort of conversations we sometimes see here in a WSO thread, when a prospective customer will ask something ike "Will these 20,000 'forum profile backlinks' really help my off-page SEO?" and the vendor (with his fingers crossed behind his back, as I imagine it!) replies with something like "Certainly, because they'll increase the 'diversity of your link profile'."

      Please excuse my not commenting further.
      Oh no, no more commenting is necessary Well said. My only point was it will not HURT you, will it?:confused:


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      I DID have a problem submitting them to a niche site. I guess I was "lucky" to find one since you've never came across one after a "5-figure number of times."

      I confess I'm curious about what sort of niche site it was, to which you were able to (try to) submit an article yourself. I don't think I've ever done that. :confused:
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        Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

        My only point was it will not HURT you, will it?
        I don't know. Please excuse the observation that I don't share your certainty about that, simply because (a) we know that Google doesn't like anything that looks like "bought-in links", and (b) they've assured us that the 2011 Panda updates are merely the first stage of a continuing process of emphasising quality and relevance, so who knows what their policy will be on this subject in 2012? Considering the lack of benefit just from what people refer to as "diversifying your link portfolio", it's not something I'd fancy trying, myself ... :confused:

        Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

        Yes indeed - thank you: I see exactly what you mean!

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        • Profile picture of the author SlfMastery
          Originally Posted by SlfMastery
          My only point was it will not HURT you, will it?
          I don't know. Please excuse the observation that I don't share your certainty about that, simply because (a) we know that Google doesn't like anything that looks like "bought-in links", and (b) they've assured us that the 2011 Panda updates are merely the first stage of a continuing process of emphasising quality and relevance, so who knows what their policy will be on this subject in 2012? Considering the lack of benefit just from what people refer to as "diversifying your link portfolio", it's not something I'd fancy trying, myself ... :confused:
          "Roger that" Alexa! Makes sense to me.

          Well, enjoyed this conversation an learned a lot from your postings/replies.

          ...'till we meet again
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  • Profile picture of the author GettingBetterAtIt
    My recent experience is that I sent a fiverr guy an article that he spun and submitted to a bunch of article sites - yay for links.

    I found some of them using google and was horrified. Not only was the article crap but the page was crowded with other ads and my link at the bottom of the page. From that experience I've vowed to only go with quality for future article marketing.

    Those articles are out there like little billboards for my site. Links are important but first impression is even more so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Alexa don't you ever get tired of writing? You say you only write 1 piece of content a day yet you post just as much if not more here in multiple posts individually and combined.

    I don't suppose you spin your answer posts with reference to article marketing and directory marketing?

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      I don't suppose you spin your answer posts with reference to article marketing and directory marketing?
      Noooooo ... I just paste them in unspun.
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