Trend of declining email use continues, now pushing into business

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Tech Firm Atos Implements Employee Zero Email Policy

Major tech company with 74,000 employees looking to eliminate email.

I also work with a lot of companies who are using collaborative enterprise platforms more and more to reduce their use of email. Applications like SharePoint or even Basecamp are starting to really become mainstream.

With email use being on the rapid decline with younger demographics, and now enterprise starting to push upstream against the unmanagable mess, how long do you believe that email will continue to represent a viable "main street" medium for marketing?
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  • Profile picture of the author socomplete
    I believe email is effective if your a marketer that has become a friend to your followers. Even though I believe facebook fanpage is twice as powerful because of the sheer amount of people and the viral aspect of facebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    The question Michael is what the alternative will be for the Average Joe?

    Not all companies or individuals are using SharePoint or BaseCamp.


    p.s. I am hooked up with you on FaceBook, and I am in a group with you on Skype, but we never talk... :p

    That can't really be the solution for tomorrow can it?
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Polarity shift - from push to pull.

    Interesting opp in the groupware/collab space methinks.

    Your brain is extra-large. You figure it out, then tell ME.

    LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    email is not going anywhere for a very long time.

    more bills today are still paid via snail mail than via the internet. There are still more people getting paper bills than paperless billing.

    so that means that millions of people have yet to change and adapt to email yet, much less the next level.

    and there will always be many things like personal bills and such that the platforms you mention will have difficulty dealing with. email is different than social media or the platforms you mention.

    sure for collaboration or talking to friends there will probably be other alternatives that get more attention, but email will be around in a dominate fashion for a couple more years...or decades.

    now take into account the fact that there are more people coming online and setting up email accounts than there are dropping email accounts, and you realize that email is going to be around a long time.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Looked to me like a tactic to avoid having emails pop up in future litigation. And to avoid the expense of saving and storing those communications.

      A company that size - you can be sure there are constant litigation demands regarding emails.

      Using instant messaging instead of email? It only works if everyone is present at their computers at the same time and available and wanting to talk. Email allows a time differential so work is not interrupted with the need for immediate response.

      Why use typed chat when one could pick up the phone!

      (Unless you were wanting to keep using written communications but without the digital paper trail.)

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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Looked to me like a tactic to avoid having emails pop up in future litigation. And to avoid the expense of saving and storing those communications.

      A company that size - you can be sure there are constant litigation demands regarding emails.

      Using instant messaging instead of email? It only works if everyone is present at their computers at the same time and available and wanting to talk. Email allows a time differential so work is not interrupted with the need for immediate response.

      Why use typed chat when one could pick up the phone!

      (Unless you were wanting to keep using written communications but without the digital paper trail.)

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      Could be. I know that Sarb-Ox certainly has impacted what gets retained inside of a company.

      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      The question Michael is what the alternative will be for the Average Joe?

      Not all companies or individuals are using SharePoint or BaseCamp.


      p.s. I am hooked up with you on FaceBook, and I am in a group with you on Skype, but we never talk... :p

      That can't really be the solution for tomorrow can it?
      Well I think our particular problem isn't a platform-specific one. We just need to collaborate more.

      Each of us certainly knows multiple ways to reach the other. Right? That's because we've given each other permission to do so based on a relationship status.

      I can tell you that I would absolutely LOVE some form of efficient communication beyond email for my own personal productivity that everyone else could use.

      Using email as a metadata wrapper for other digital assets within the context of Exchange and Outlook is really cumbersome.

      Google has attempted to move the cheese with Gmail, Calendar, and Google Docs. Sadly, Docs is severely lacking, and the general resistance by a lot of companies to hand over corporate communication to Google is not necessarily unfounded.

      For the average Joe though, even a cloud implementation of SharePoint is ultra cheap now (at least for the average business Joe). Rackspace charges $10/GB a month for storage for a full SharePoint Enterprise implementation. It's a matter of time before Amazon offers it via EC2.


      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Polarity shift - from push to pull.

      Interesting opp in the groupware/collab space methinks.

      Your brain is extra-large. You figure it out, then tell ME.

      LOL
      I was recently at a tech event for SharePoint where one of the key presenters from AIIM (American Institute for Information Management... ISO for software companies) was touting a strategy to do exactly what Atos has done... shut off email in lieu of just creating an extemporaneous collaboration space inside of SharePoint.

      Groupware is definately back en masse.

      Email is a stupid solution for enterprise. If someone is working on a Word doc and sends in email to someone and CC's 10 other people, that creates 11 duplicate file attachments in the email server. That's just one aspect of the problem.

      A while ago, I posted a topic (maybe a year ago?) about the decline in consumption of email over younger demographics. The rebuttal (as always from the cast of characters here) was "well, email isn't going anywhere because all those young people are going to get jobs at companies and then be forced to use email". This was, of course, the justification for the idea that email as a direct marketing platform wasn't going to go away.

      I'm not suggesting that it's going away. No media format actually disappears. I even heard an NPR story last summer about a cassette tape-only record label for garage punk bands that shipped thousands of albums worldwide last year. Of course, the idea being that the cassette medium provides that thin, mid-high frequency response characteristic that is common to a lot of punk bands from the early 80s.

      What I AM suggesting is that if your avoidance of the idea that email is going away is that enterprise is going to come to the rescue, then 1) you aren't likely aware of the amount of money spent by enterprise with companies like Barracuda to filter out anything but legitimate, company business-related communication; and, 2) you're simply unaware of the swelling trend being promoted by best-practices entities like AIIM to influence the exact action taken by Atos across all of enterprise IT.

      Pull marketing is definately the hard trend, and it's accelerating. The term "demand generation" is the "next big thing" in the large corporate marketing offices and large agencies.

      No, push isn't dead. However, by virtue of the waning of the media formats and sheer refusal to accept interruption (yeah you really watch all those commercials you Tivo'd along with your show didn't you), it's days are seriously numbered.

      That being said, database marketing will continue to be effective because the connection medium between the database and the customer is technically irrelevant. If you have sufficient contact data (based on sufficient purpose and intent of both parties) you can reach people in a multiplicity of mediums. As long as you're connecting your database hub to the audience through whatever current, relevant technology trend might be, you're good to go.

      But if you're EMAIL ONLY AROUND THESE PARTS mentality, I think you might be in for a rude awakening over the next 2-3 years.

      I realize that "long term business thinking" for the average internet marketer is "what can I do this week for a hustle", but for those who are genuinely interested in building a sustainable business model for the long haul, these issues have to be taken into consideration.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Thank you for your long-winded answer Michael... Seriously, there is a lot of meat there for those who are paying attention.

    I have been struggling with the idea in my head of bridging local company database marketing potential with the opportunities available in that segment.

    The thought keeps going through my mind that I can see the how, but once offline, we start running into a vast array of computing systems and database setups.

    Without hiring on as a programmer with every local firm, how can we possibly sync our skills with their technology?

    Yeah, sometimes my brain reaches beyond my capabilities...
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Thank you for your long-winded answer Michael... Seriously, there is a lot of meat there for those who are paying attention.

      I have been struggling with the idea in my head of bridging local company database marketing potential with the opportunities available in that segment.

      The thought keeps going through my mind that I can see the how, but once offline, we start running into a vast array of computing systems and database setups.

      Without hiring on as a programmer with every local firm, how can we possibly sync our skills with their technology?

      Yeah, sometimes my brain reaches beyond my capabilities...
      You mean there's lots of scripting opportunity for techs to create middleware layers to connect various disconnected data warehouses and APIs together?

      Why, I bet an enterprising person could create a cloud-based service that connects commonly used SaaS applications together with previously unavailable middleware services on a subscription basis.

      I even bet there's enablement frameworks already out there to help achieve that

      paas Platform As A Service... Azure... etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author ibacklinkpro
    Perhaps snail mail hasn't or may never go away but certain technologies are going away. Look at phone books? The latest statistics show rally only those in the 50's and older are still using them. That may be fine if that is your demographic, but it's not like there is a new generation that is finding an interest in phone books, they are dying out very fast. Tapes and records eventually dies out because better tools were created to replace them. Perhaps email will never die out, but it is certainly being replaced by better ways to e-communicate.

    And from a marketers perspective, if most of your clients/customers are using a different means to communicate then you better be implementing that as your communication tool too. Certainly there are many people who will read a Facebook update or message than an email, and even more certainly those people will respond to that message much faster
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    • Profile picture of the author drmani
      That being said, database marketing will continue to be effective because the connection medium between the database and the customer is technically irrelevant. If you have sufficient contact data (based on sufficient purpose and intent of both parties) you can reach people in a multiplicity of mediums.
      Integrative communication seems to work best.

      Blog - RSS feed - Email autoresponder - Occasional
      personal email - Letter in the mail - SMS - social
      media (tweets, FB Wall posts, private messages) -
      Forums

      If I kept more reasonable hours, Skype, phone and
      mobile would be options to add to the mix.

      For most of my best clients and closest online friends,
      I've noticed our communication shifts across media and
      channels.

      As far as how it impacts marketing, something I re-read
      last night gave me pause for thought. It was a Seth
      Godin blog post from 2009 - 'First, ten'

      I can handle multi-channel communication with ten!

      Thanks for sharing that link, Mike - and for the ways
      in which you're making me think lately. Keep blogging,
      too - I'm sure many others like me missed you!

      All success
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Thanks Dr. Mani.

    I think you hit the nail on the head. Multi-channel, cross spectrum... Like Bill Platt and I, you and I also follow each other across a variety of social media... Twitter, Facebook, Google+, we read each other's blogs, etc...

    Seth Godin talks heavily about building the fanatical tribe of 1,000. In fact, all the social media studies of the 2008 Obama campaign come down to a core activist base of around 50,000 energized folks who carried the message. 50,000 people influencing the election of the leader of a nation of 300,000,000. Think about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Thanks Dr. Mani.

      I think you hit the nail on the head. Multi-channel, cross spectrum... Like Bill Platt and I, you and I also follow each other across a variety of social media... Twitter, Facebook, Google+, we read each other's blogs, etc...

      Seth Godin talks heavily about building the fanatical tribe of 1,000. In fact, all the social media studies of the 2008 Obama campaign come down to a core activist base of around 50,000 energized folks who carried the message. 50,000 people influencing the election of the leader of a nation of 300,000,000. Think about it.
      I'm teach local politicians to use mobile apps. They get their
      constituents to download these to their smart phones, and share
      them with friend, and it becomes effortless for politicians to
      reach out and remind voters to get out and vote... incessantly

      In the last election, in my area, the phones went crazy. If those
      messages had been pushed out to people who downloaded apps
      at some political rally, they would have been many times more
      powerful.

      Even those who don't read much, or own computers, have their
      cell phones with them everywhere that they go.

      Willie
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Interesting that we just had a news story a few days ago discussing how the abundance and ease of access to information is now becoming counter-productive for business.

    And I can see why. I know it's different to the OP, but obviously, email as an information medium is fast becoming redundant when compared to Base Camp et al.

    I still use email as an effective tool in my brick and mortar business because it saves time and money on phone calls. These days I only call if it's urgent.

    So I think there is still a place for it outside of the IMsphere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Vraibel
    I've always tried thinking of a way to integrate SMS into an online campaign although I'm not nearly smart enough.

    The open rates are nearly 100% for SMS but I'm not sure how many people would be willing to fill out a payment form on a cell phone and other issues like that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by B and B View Post

      ..... but I'm not sure how many people would be willing to fill out a payment form on a cell phone and other issues like that.
      Numerous people, including some of my customers, do it
      everyday :-)

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      • Profile picture of the author drmani
        Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

        Numerous people, including some of my customers, do it
        everyday :-)

        Willie
        If you hover your smart phone over the QR code that's my forum avatar,
        you'll see how it could work - if you develop a process like Amazon.com's

        With mobile phone payments becoming more commonplace, and linked to
        either a software 'wallet' or directly billed to the cellphone service charges,
        this can be completely different from the way we experience ecommerce
        transactions using a computer or tablet.

        All success
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    • Profile picture of the author drmani
      Originally Posted by B and B View Post

      I've always tried thinking of a way to integrate SMS into an online campaign...
      I suspect it becomes easier when you think about integrating SMS (and other forms
      of communication) but go beyond "campaign" and think longer term. Much longer
      term.

      It boils down to a question of 'permission' - and choice.

      Will they permit you to contact them in one way - or not?
      Do they prefer to interact with you in one way - or not?

      If the ONLY way you offer is one they won't permit, or prefer to communicate,
      your only choice is to abandon that prospect (or group).

      By providing multiple options, and letting THEM (your prospects) choose, you open
      the door to many more relationships. In time, those lead to something more.

      The risk, of course, is that it may not, at least all the time!

      The benefit, of course, is that you're proof against email going poof!!!

      All success
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  • Profile picture of the author travelerjim
    I am very new to IM and have just started using Aweber and think its a great tool, but the next tool there should be the same sort of CMS you see at major corporations. In other words, if I send one email to one of my email subscribers, why couldn't the system be set up for that person to see all previous emails, all previous communication back and forth, email links to product information, etc., all in one place. Interesting ideas here.....

    EDIT.............

    You know, I just assumed there was nothing out there like this, in other words, a CMS that could be tied into aweber, or stand alone. Anyone see anything like this that could be used to communicate with people on a mailing list?????
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  • Profile picture of the author ebusinesstutor
    The article is only for internal emails for a company. It may work there if you use things like Basecamp, etc, but not for outside contacts where you need to reach customers.

    Email isn't going anywhere any time soon.
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