2012

[X]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Oh. My. Dog.

I just had a picture flash through my mind. That avatar of yours... in a Boy Scout uniform.

brrrrr

I tried Paul. I really tried.

[Jonathan 2.0]

Originally Posted by X

Be prepared.

We're going to be invaded by boy scouts? (Hehe.) Personally I don't think anything's going to happen in 2012. At least I hope that nothing bad happens.

[Andrei Rotariu]

Wow!

This turned out to be a biggie.

Just a quick babble from me.

I think some folk are missing the point here....

Take 2012 out of your mind. Read between the lines.

The human population has expanded into outer space, there are more humans populating the planet then ever before, our technologies are almost outpacing us, in fact with history like hiroshima its easy to see how silly we can be.

Information ------------->Knowledge<----------------

is the most sought after thing today.

Look at 'the secret' or 'the davinci code' or 'tom cruise and scientology' more and more people are seeking out spiritual knowledge i mean for heavens sake we have built a giant ring in geneva so we can try to find god.

Dont you guys see?

It serves as the next BIG industry. Its the spiritual industry. Man has dominated niche after niche after niche. Steel, coal, gold, stocks, insurance, dot com.....

So from my point of view. Not only is this a good way to bring home the cheese but also a good way for the planet to evolve. Since when was the last time humans began to look at the world around them with so much curiosity???

No matter if we had 2012 or not. But humans are beginning to wake from a deep slumber. This is great for 2 reasons. 1) evolution of the mind 2) money to be made.

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by Star69

Global warming is caused by Al Gore opening his mouth.

He was just in Washington, D.C. the other day speaking to a bunch of senators or something about global warming, imploring the Obama-nation to take swift action, blah, blah, blah, ad nauseum.

Al Gore is making money by making us believe global warming is a serious, manmade problem that can be fixed. (It's not. It's natural and Mother Nature isn't listening to you, Al.)

this.is.absolutely.not.the.point

The point is not to ask whether GW is caused by X, but rather to ask whether green house gases, FCKW emissions CONTRIBUTE to global warming or at least at a SUBSTANTIAL amount.

(In other words: Do you think it is good or beneficial that XYZ tons of poiseneous emmissions are blasted into the atmosphere each day and you think it does not contribute to the greenhouse effect?)

Sorry, everyone who DENIES this is a fool!

Maybe 2012 is the time when some people start to think and actually care about their planet/environment they live in.

Sorry for rant.

[ripsnorta2]

Originally Posted by GoinDeep

Wow!

Look at 'the secret' or 'the davinci code' or 'tom cruise and scientology' more and more people are seeking out spiritual knowledge i mean for heavens sake we have built a giant ring in geneva so we can try to find god.

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) doesn't actually have anything to do with searching for God. It is hoped that the LHC will find evidence of a sub-atomic particle called the Higgs-Boson.

The Higgs is nicknamed the god particle because it is an essential part of determining how gravity actually works, and if found will validate a number of theories and possibly help the work on 'The Theory of Everything'.

The Theory of Everything is simply the theorem that Einstein spent the last part of his life attempting to solve. It ties together the four(?) fundamental (known) physical forces in this universe; the electromagnetic force, the strong and weak nuclear forces, and gravity.

So far EM and the string and weak nuclear forces can be reconciled together, however the problem is gravity. It is an extremely weak force. So much so, that it is puzzling to physicists. If gravity were as strong as any of the other forces, a body as massive as the earth would have compressed to a tiny fraction of its size, and even your own body would have a large gravitational field.

Somehow the Higgs-Boson theory (since the particle hasn't been proven to exist yet) helps to explain these anomalies and ties the whole lot together. Hence the importance of the LHC. The Higgs is 'small' and supposedly only exists in nature for a minute fraction of a second.

The best way to find it is to smash two particles together at very high velocities. Think of it like two glass spheres hitting each other. At low speeds the fragments are large, the faster (collectively) that they are traveling, the more energy is imparted and the smaller the fragments that result.

Other atom smashers can't apply enough energy to create small enough fragments. The LHC is hopefully big enough to smash atoms into Higgs-Bosun sized fragments.

So it isn't really 'god' and there's no spiritual significance to the finding of it. Just good ol' fashioned science baby.

BTW, the spiritual industry is not the next big industry. It's always been a big industry. All the way back to the money changers in the temple, and before.

[ripsnorta2]

I should also say that this

YouTube - Asteroid Impact (HD)

is much more likely than some alignment with a blackhole at the center of the galaxy. Make sure you watch it in High Def. Don't watch it if you're having trouble sleeping.

[mrwscf]

the world isn't going to end in 2012 ....2012 isn't supposed to be about doom and gloom ... that's just how they've portrayed it in the media to instill fear in people to prevent us from realizing our true potential.... when I saw the trailer in theaters where it said, "google 2012", I thought to myself, "now why would they want to do this.. what exactly is the point?" ... well if we remain in fear then we won't be able to make the shift in consciousness for our own evolution ... and that's exactly what "they" want ......

2012 marks the end of a cycle called "kali yuga" which is a 24,000 year old cycle and the time when humanity evolves its consciousness to a higher density....this may sound far fetched ..but all ancient spiritual traditions have been emphasizing this for eons ..... if you read the ancient texts such as the Vedas ..they knew more about our civilization than we did! it's simply unbelievable ..and it's 5000 years old .. the reason is because they knew the secrets of evolution and consciousness and how humanity was to make the leap to a higher dimension of consciousness ...and an increase in frequency if you will.....and this is also where the whole .. "new age movement" really springs from ... where they talk about telepathy, psychic abilities, pyschokenesis, levitation etc.... because as you increase your frequency you actually increase your consciousness and therefore have the ability to use more of your "spiritual power" ... but that's not the point .... that's just an effect of your consciousness and isn't the ultimate goal in terms of spiritual evolution ... but rather self-realization of your true nature ..... the eastern traditions such as buddhism, hinduism, sufism, etc. have clearly pointed this out so that we could find the truth within us .... this is what 2012 is about .. not about doom and gloom ... but the ultimate quest for our own peace, freedom and liberation from suffering of the transient world ... please don't take my word for it but do your own research and see if it resonates with you ... this isn't about religion .. or science and endless debates about who's right and wrong.... it's about YOU .. and who you are as a human being .... truly remarkable and free to express your true divinity without any limitations....

[jbreezy]

This stuff kills me...it's almost as bad as organized religion. No one person KNOWS what the hell is going to happen.

[Ernie Lonardo]

Haha some people are idiots. 2012 means f'all.

A calendar is man made and time never stops...nothing will happen on 2012...I bet my life on it

[Andrei Rotariu]

Originally Posted by ripsnorta2

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) doesn't actually have anything to do with searching for God. It is hoped that the LHC will find evidence of a sub-atomic particle called the Higgs-Boson.

The Higgs is nicknamed the god particle because it is an essential part of determining how gravity actually works, and if found will validate a number of theories and possibly help the work on 'The Theory of Everything'.

The Theory of Everything is simply the theorem that Einstein spent the last part of his life attempting to solve. It ties together the four(?) fundamental (known) physical forces in this universe; the electromagnetic force, the strong and weak nuclear forces, and gravity.

So far EM and the string and weak nuclear forces can be reconciled together, however the problem is gravity. It is an extremely weak force. So much so, that it is puzzling to physicists. If gravity were as strong as any of the other forces, a body as massive as the earth would have compressed to a tiny fraction of its size, and even your own body would have a large gravitational field.

Somehow the Higgs-Boson theory (since the particle hasn't been proven to exist yet) helps to explain these anomalies and ties the whole lot together. Hence the importance of the LHC. The Higgs is 'small' and supposedly only exists in nature for a minute fraction of a second.

The best way to find it is to smash two particles together at very high velocities. Think of it like two glass spheres hitting each other. At low speeds the fragments are large, the faster (collectively) that they are traveling, the more energy is imparted and the smaller the fragments that result.

Other atom smashers can't apply enough energy to create small enough fragments. The LHC is hopefully big enough to smash atoms into Higgs-Bosun sized fragments.

So it isn't really 'god' and there's no spiritual significance to the finding of it. Just good ol' fashioned science baby.

BTW, the spiritual industry is not the next big industry. It's always been a big industry. All the way back to the money changers in the temple, and before.

Are you delusional?

LHC cost price is estimated to be almost 4 Billion Dollars! And you think they are searching for a particle only? Pffft.....

What you say is correct. But there will be time when humans realize that spirituality and science is one. You have to stop thinking like your in the 16th century. People still believe God is some grey haired old dude in the clouds that knows what we are thinking. Thats ridiculous.

If there is a God its only natural that it would belong to science and vice versa.

Oh and one more thing... Maybe you should re-read all those science books once again because the essential foundations of science have their roots in the search for the 'truth'. The truth being connected to the reality that there may or may not be a higher creative frequency we call God.

[Andrei Rotariu]

Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo

Haha some people are idiots. 2012 means f'all.

A calendar is man made and time never stops...nothing will happen on 2012...I bet my life on it

Before saying anything dude. You should actually inform yourself on the subject. As i said in my OP. "Read between the lines". 2012 or no 2012 it doesn't matter. Its clear that the world changing more rapidly then ever before. Just look at the news headlines from 100 years ago. Heres a brief look 100 Years Ago Today

And open todays paper and you find terrorists killing cricketers, bushfires killing hundreds because of drought, thousands losing jobs across the planet, thousands losing homes around the world, robotic dogs, blah blah blah....

And on the other side to this we note a significant rise in new age philosophies, more self development books then ever, more peopler leaving their churches in the search for new beliefs, more westerners practising meditation and yoga...

So you see there is massive change going on around us everywhere. Just open your eyes to it.

And again who ever said a bomb would go off in 2012 or that God would shake his mighty finger and we would burn in hell? I sure didnt. It seems to me like you and others with the same thinking have eluded yourselves. Look deeper into it and you will note some magnificent changes coming.

[Michael Oksa]

I actually have something in common with nostradamus...

I am able to predict the future with the same accuracy.

Anyway, back to 2012. There is one thing I am looking forward to more than anything (at least as of now). That's the big screen release of The Hobbit.

Other than that...

Does anyone have a need for a large can of cheese powder? It's fully Y2K compliant, was purchased in 1999 and has a shelf life of 10 years - so it should still be edible.

All the best,
Michael

EDIT: I know it's going on a tangent, but it proves a point. I just used a very specific methodology for the following divination. It makes sense, though some of it is cryptic.

The me today IM keywords research the on just has wrong 2000AD one Zap!
A end we the and to total we now going miserly as year 2012
That NOW TV 10 face to due did prophecies number my 2012, 2015 my 2012 stuff.
Volcano general topic and bad when as anytime will I science thing.

Like I said, I used a specific technique to write the above "quatrain". You can see what it means.

As for the OP, you raise a good point, and it shows that there are markets a lot of are not thinking about, and growth and change are happening all the time.

[ripsnorta2]

Originally Posted by GoinDeep

Are you delusional?

LHC cost price is estimated to be almost 4 Billion Dollars! And you think they are searching for a particle only? Pffft.....

Four billion dollars is peanuts. Okay, maybe to you or me it's a large amount, but in the scheme of things it's chicken feed. How much is that bailout again? Nearly a trillion dollars I think. That amount could build 250 LHCs (if that 4 billion figure is correct.)

Now the amount of money needed to build a working fusion reactor. That's a bit more significant.

Originally Posted by GoinDeep

What you say is correct. But there will be time when humans realize that spirituality and science is one. You have to stop thinking like your in the 16th century. People still believe God is some grey haired old dude in the clouds that knows what we are thinking. Thats ridiculous.

If there is a God its only natural that it would belong to science and vice versa.

First I'm delusional. Next I'm correct. Well that gels with my theory that the universe is fundamentally whacked.

BTW, I was responding to your comment that building a giant ring in geneva was a search for god; stating that it was in fact a search for a particle that is nicknamed the god-particle because of its significance in high level physics theory. About as far from the 16th century as you can get. Where was the medieval thinking there?

Originally Posted by GoinDeep

Oh and one more thing... Maybe you should re-read all those science books once again because the essential foundations of science have their roots in the search for the 'truth'. The truth being connected to the reality that there may or may not be a higher creative frequency we call God.

Sigh.

I never said that science wasn't about searching for the truth. It's root meaning is derived from the latin scientia which means knowledge. Truth is implied in that don't you think.

[ripsnorta2]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Anyway, back to 2012. There is one thing I am looking forward to more than anything (at least as of now). That's the big screen release of The Hobbit.

Cool. Is that the release date?

I'll just have to make sure I see it at least a day before the asteroid hits.

[DJMC]

Ditto what the last Matt said!

[Walter Cruickshank]

You can not spend your time being worried about this. If it happens it happens! Spend your time living today and spending the time that matters most Friends and Family

[JakeDaly]

The whole thing's a huge misexaggeration. I was interested in the subject a few months and found out that the Mayan calendar doesn't end on 2012, it simply starts over. The idiot who first made a big deal out of one calendar ending but not mentioning the a new one starts in 2013 should be shot.

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by JakeDaly

The whole thing's a huge misexaggeration. I was interested in the subject a few months and found out that the Mayan calendar doesn't end on 2012, it simply starts over. The idiot who first made a big deal out of one calendar ending but not mentioning the a new one starts in 2013 should be shot.

I get your point.

Perhaps you meant it as a figure of speech, but saying someone should be shot for any reason isn't cool - and that's no misexaggeration.

Besides, if we started doing as you suggest to every idiot who hyped something, or was just being an idiot...well, there wouldn't be a lot of people left.

All the best,
Michael

[JakeDaly]

You're right, perhaps not shot. But certainly verbally scolded and sent to the corner of the room for timeout.

[AverageGuy]

I happened to watch a TV series about 2012 on NATGeo ( maybe history channel? I'm a big fan of them, and I believe there are alien who are watching us now, ) 2012 is about the nature, but probably, not about global warming. If I remebered correctly, it is the time that the axis of milkwy galaxy, the sun, and the earth will overlap each other.

The things amazed me is: how maya people can predict this nature happening in several thousands years ago? and the modern science proved that it will be true. just amazing. there are too many things happened before on this earth we can not explain even in today's science.

Alien? Maybe. Or, maybe we are alien ourselves.


david

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by JakeDaly

You're right, perhaps not shot. But certainly verbally scolded and sent to the corner of the room for timeout.

LOL. That's more like it.

Now, if there was only a way to humanely remove them from the gene pool.

[ShayRockhold]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Now, if there was only a way to humanely remove them from the gene pool.

Force them to wear a T-shirt that says, "I am a Trekkie and live in my Mom's basement."

No dates. No breeding.

Effective? Yes. Humane? Welllllll......

[dndoseller]

I am amazed the way the universe hangs together and allows earth to exist in the first place. Could all end in 2012, or by the time I click "Post Quick Reply"...

Update: we are still here.

[hotlinkz]

Originally Posted by GoinDeep

Yes yes, i know what you are all thinking.

But hear me out.

if you have not already heard the stories about 2012 simply google it then get back to this thread.

So, firstly id like to say that im somewhat informed in this area not meaning that i have simply read across some crappy sites but i have actually studied this topic in depth and i personally believe it WILL NOT be the end of the world for my own reasons. What i think and feel are not relevant.

The questions i would like to put forward are;

If 2012 will be the year the earth forever changes how will this effect the internet and IM?

As we get closer do you see a larger market here, books, interviews, digital prods?

Hmmm... if the events are anything like some of the doom and gloom I just viewed on several 2012 sites - it appears that there won't be an Internet!

Lights Out!

[Sean A McAlister]

Originally Posted by Kurt

This is the Chinese quatrain I refered to in my first post above. It not only points to 2012, but to the exact day the Mayan calender and the alignment of our solar system.

Scientists also think there were be a ton of solar activety in 2012, plus Yellowstone is about 50,000 years overdue from exploding, which would likely end civilization as we know it.

Truth is, someday something will happen...Yellowstone, a meteor/comet, virus, etc. Nothing is forever.

Here is a great History Channel video on the "Mega Disaster" that Yellowstone represents. I posted this a bit back....

2012, December 21, 2012, The year 2012, 12-21-2012....what does it all mean? Welcome to the 2012xFactor

YouTube - History Channel Mega Disasters -...