Another question on article syndication

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Alexa, I'm a big fan of your posts. They're truly insightly and refreshingly honest. I'd like to follow your business model as I truly believe you know what you're doing.

I gathered from your posts that you:
- write high quality articles and put them on your site
- have them syndicated by submitting to article directories
- promote clickbank products that don't have an opt-in on sales page

I'm wondering, from your experience, how long does it take for you to make one site profitable? How do you pick a good niche? Are you building a list? If so what do you write to your list? How do you ask for the sale? Do you focus on just one product per niche?

If you come out with a WSO detailing your system, I'm confident you'll have a slew of buyers. If you offer coaching I'd be interested in that too!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Please excuse me, Gary: I've just this minute seen your post from yesterday for the first time.

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    how long does it take for you to make one site profitable?
    Well, technically only a few days: I'll expect the first sale or two within the first week, certainly. But that's barely "profitable". Beyond that, there's luck in it.

    I'll have selected the niche in accordance with my ability to get articles syndicated, so there'll be good ezines to which I can submit articles, and good webmasters to whom I can offer them (after first publishing them and having them indexed on my own site, obviously). But I'll still have luck involved. The first two or three articles may produce comparatively little. Sooner or later one will be a "hit" (for either predictable or sometimes completely unpredictable reasons!) and produce a few thousand visitors, a proportion of whom will opt in, and then "I'm in business".

    Before I start, I'll already have a small site ready: prominent, incentivized opt-in on the landing page, "free report" (or whatever it's called) ready to give away in exchange for their email address, three or four articles written, a product review (normally one product only, to start with), a little more "niche information" and the first couple of autoresponder emails written. It'll be a site with about 3 - 4 pages, at first, probably. (Plus legal/regulatory requirements, of course, including an affiliate disclaimer which is specially written to be entertaining/facetious while still legally compliant).

    And probably a ClickBank product will be "first up" (and I'll have chosen the niche accordingly).

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    How do you pick a good niche?
    As mentioned above, plus there'll be another good product available, and it has to be a subject I can write about without needing to go to night school just to understand the vocabulary (so I won't be promoting "registry cleaners" because I barely know what the "registry" is). And there has to be demand and some buyers (I can judge that from the rotation of AdWords ads and their variety: if people are repeatedly spending money to advertise, then there's money there).

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    Are you building a list?
    Always.

    The primary purpose of my website is to opt visitors in.

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    If so what do you write to your list?
    "More of the same". Meaning "the same" as what brought them to my site. Which is my articles. I can re-use "article information" in an only slightly different format as "autoresponder series" of sorts, or parts of one, at least. Nothing wasted. (Yes, there's the risk that at some point in the series, people will get an email part of which they've already read. It doesn't matter).

    Typically, I send email on days 1, 3, 6, 10 and 15 and therafter every 5/6 days, with a promotion in about one email in three, but not occupying the entire email.

    The purpose of the syndication of my articles is to attract traffic to my site.

    The primary purpose of the site is to opt them in. (I do make the occasional sale there, too, via a hoplink).

    The purpose of the "free report" (or whatever it's called) is to ensure that they open and read my subsequent emails.

    The primary purpose of each email is to ensure that they open and read the next email (and the secondary purpose is to keep them visiting my site, but not so much to read the articles).

    If I can get all that right
    , the money follows: they'll buy from me, just because I'm the person making the recommendation for what they buy, and they trust me.

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    How do you ask for the sale?
    I don't.

    I'm an affiliate, not a vendor. I let the vendor's sales page ask for the sale, and I choose products whose sales pages will be able to do that for my traffic. How I do that is described here.

    The commonest mistake I see new affiliates making is trying to ask for the sale on their own website.

    I pre-sell. The vendor sells.

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    Do you focus on just one product per niche?
    To start with, but I've chosen the niches knowing that (a) there's at least one more good one available, to be added, and (b) there are a few more now, too, or very likely to be in future.

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    If you come out with a WSO detailing your system
    LOL, thank you ... not for now. Thanks for your other kind comments and apologies again for the slow and slightly brief reply. (Further questions welcome, if they'll help).
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    • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      The commonest mistake I see new affiliates making is trying to ask for the sale on their own website.
      Above quote, so true.

      Interesting post, perhaps the method will never be for me due to the lack of desire to write so much, but still very interesting to see how others make money in their own unique ways.
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        Originally Posted by Venturetothetop View Post

        Above quote, so true.

        Interesting post, perhaps the method will never be for me due to the lack of desire to write so much, but still very interesting to see how others make money in their own unique ways.
        The darling chica will probably correct me if I'm wrong but it has nothing to do with writing large quantities of content. I think I remember Alexa saying one time that it comes out to about one article a day.... and writing really is a whole lot different than thinking. You just do it on paper in addition to inside your melon. Just sayin'...
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        • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
          Originally Posted by bretski View Post

          The darling chica will probably correct me if I'm wrong but it has nothing to do with writing large quantities of content. I think I remember Alexa saying one time that it comes out to about one article a day.... and writing really is a whole lot different than thinking. You just do it on paper in addition to inside your melon. Just sayin'...
          Well, let me define my version of 'too much writing for me' - I can write and pretty damn well, but I could only ever write an article a day as it would take me a whole day!

          Writing as a career does not fit me, that is all I was saying - that is why I find this thread interesting as it's nice to see what people unlike me do for a living.
          (I stick to things I enjoy and am good at)
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          This article syndication model does not require many articles at all to beat out the competition in even the most "saturated", or hottest niches. By leveraging quality articles directly to highly targeted audiences, you will receive highly convertable trafffic. Such outlets may include niche ezines, relevant websites and blogs, and even offline publications such as trade journals, magazines, newspapers, press releases, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


      The commonest mistake...
      I'm adding commonest to my "words that dont look/sound right, but in fact are" list.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
        Originally Posted by Ashley Gable View Post

        I'm adding commonest to my "words that dont look/sound right, but in fact are" list.
        LOL. I just looked it up to see if it was a word.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary M.
        Thank you all for your valuable advice.

        Alexa, you expect sales within the first week - you get traffic much quicker than I'm used to. So am I correct in saying that you get traffic so quickly because you're contacting ezine owners / website owners and they're publishing your work almost right away? Perhaps I'm being negative, but I'm expecting most of them to ignore me.

        Do you ever do keyword research or do you feel it's not worth it?

        Thanks again - this is a huge help.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

          Alexa, you expect sales within the first week - you get traffic much quicker than I'm used to. So am I correct in saying that you get traffic so quickly because you're contacting ezine owners / website owners and they're publishing your work almost right away?
          Yes, especially the website owners. Ezine publishers have their own timetables, and there you're dealing with the timing "luck of the draw".

          Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

          Perhaps I'm being negative, but I'm expecting most of them to ignore me.
          The ones who want content, want content.

          You can find the webmasters (at least) who have previously syndicated articles on the subject from EZA just by using Google. They've syndicated content before. They'll take more. And some of the ones who've never thought of it at all will happily accept.

          Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

          Do you ever do keyword research or do you feel it's not worth it?
          I do some.

          I deliberately didn't mention SEO in my answer above because (a) you didn't, and (b) I didn't want to give the impression this business model is an SEO-rich one (compared with many, it's the opposite). You can get floods of targeted traffic without needing Google at all.

          And the point stressed in the story told here is that nobody needs to use a search engine for you to build a business based on true residual income: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

          However, I do also slowly get some top rankings for keywords of low, low-to-medium and medium competitiveness, simply because the sites that syndicate articles are (more or less by definition) relevant sites (otherwise they wouldn't want the content) and those are the ones whose backlinks are worth so much.

          I even do some blog-commenting and guest-posting, and even sometimes answer questions at Yahoo answers, in some niches, too. In principle, I'll do anything that's welcomed by a site-owner, adds value, and gets me quality, relevant backlinks. But I do less of these things than many marketers, and I'm much more selective about it.

          Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky View Post

          LOL. I just looked it up to see if it was a word.
          That's more than I did. (It is a word, I hope?). What would you guys have said instead - "most common"? Maybe "commonest" is more common in the UK than in the US? :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            That's more than I did. (It is a word, I hope?). What would you guys have said instead - "most common"? Maybe "commonest" is more common in the UK than in the US? :confused:
            Yep, it is a word

            I have never heard anyone use it before, we use "most common".
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          • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            That's more than I did. (It is a word, I hope?). What would you guys have said instead - "most common"? Maybe "commonest" is more common in the UK than in the US? :confused:
            Nah, its a word. I would of used "most common" though. But they are both right.

            Not sure whether its is a UK US thing. I was born in the UK, but grew up in the US, so my spelling/grammar is all over the place... my English teachers gave up in the end So I wouldnt know what side of the pond it comes from.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      And there has to be demand and some buyers (I can judge that from the rotation of AdWords ads and their variety: if people are repeatedly spending money to advertise, then there's money there).
      Do you refer to the banners shown on the sites that have AdSense?
      So you google "niche keyword", visit a few websites with AdSense and then just hit Refresh button until you see a rotation? If so... what is a good rotation? Once every 20 ads?
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by canyon View Post

        Do you refer to the banners shown on the sites that have AdSense?
        So you google "niche keyword", visit a few websites with AdSense and then just hit Refresh button until you see a rotation? If so... what is a good rotation? Once every 20 ads?
        There is no reason I can put my finger on as to why ads in the Content Network (AdSense) shouldn't also be taken into account, albeit that it's a heftier undertaking to monitor and evaluate them than those on Google alone.

        I find myself constantly observing ads in all forms, across all mediums, personally. That way, when I stumble across an interesting and suitable product/service, I'll already have an idea (or at least a perception) of what's what.

        In the end, ads are ads. Whether they be on Google or the Content Network, or served by Google or anyone else, they exist for the selfsame purpose: to attract leads/customers. As such, a bountiful inventory of relevant ads displayed over a period of time is a reasonable signal of a niche's potential for profitability.

        As with the enduring question of "keyword selection criteria", however, there isn't for my money a one-size-fits-all rule that can be easily imparted unto others. I can't put my finger on one, at least. You just kind of learn to build up a picture and trust your instinct. And even then you'll never alleviate all risk.

        Having said this, anyway, an apparent scarcity of ads isn't necessarily indicative of an nonviable niche, because the kind of things for which your customers are searching (take a couple of Paul Uhl's previous examples: "conspiracy theories" and "doomsday scenarios") aren't forced to be directly related to the kind of stuff they'll ultimately buy (survival supplies). Then again, the vast majority of people looking specifically for survival supplies might not necessarily be interested in conspiracy theories or a fetish for Hollywood fantasy. It's not always a given that your customers will already be looking for precisely (or even remotely) what it is they're ultimately going to buy through you.

        Hence, things aren't always quite what they first seem, and as marketers we need to take this into account.
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        • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
          I have a weird question to throw in. Might be on someone else's mind too Some markets are vast and there is endless information to discuss. Well, I happen to be pursuing one where it's easy to "gobble" up and explain a lot in say 15 articles.

          I want to keep it going. Is it OK to ever come back to a specific topic and discuss from a new angle?

          I'm also trying to find clever ways to break down each topic and turn it into 5 other topics. It's kind of tricky. Any syndication experts ever run into this dilemma?
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          • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
            Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post

            I have a weird question to throw in. Might be on someone else's mind too Some markets are vast and there is endless information to discuss. Well, I happen to be pursuing one where it's easy to "gobble" up and explain a lot in say 15 articles.

            I want to keep it going. Is it OK to ever come back to a specific topic and discuss from a new angle?

            I'm also trying to find clever ways to break down each topic and turn it into 5 other topics. It's kind of tricky. Any syndication experts ever run into this dilemma?
            In theory, you can tackle a topic in as many different ways as you want. Indeed, no single angle will arouse the curiosity and engage the interest of everyone equally, just in the same way people have a preference for reading (or despising) newspapers that pander to (or oppose) their existing prejudices and political persuasions.

            In practice, bombarding your readers with what seems to be conflicting information could very well prove unproductive. What kind of expert changes his tune on a day-to-day basis?

            Maybe you'd consider setting up separate sites, separate mailing lists and publishing under separate pen-names if there is a great disparity between the tone and angle of your articles?
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          • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
            I might not be a goo-roo like Alexa (just teasing ), but I can answer this, at least:

            Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post

            I'm also trying to find clever ways to break down each topic and turn it into 5 other topics.
            There's a ton of different angles you can take on the same topic. Here's a few, in the form of subject lines:

            How to do X
            How not to do X
            The Secret to X
            How (niche group) can do X
            Top 5 questions about X
            5 X Strategies
            10 Advantages You Need to X
            Your First Time Doing X
            5 Simple Shortcuts to X
            10 Common X Mistakes And How to Avoid Them
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post

            I have a weird question to throw in. Might be on someone else's mind too Some markets are vast and there is endless information to discuss. Well, I happen to be pursuing one where it's easy to "gobble" up and explain a lot in say 15 articles.
            While it's hard for me to imagine a truly viable niche where everything that can be said about the topic is done in 15 articles, even this should not necessarily be a limiting factor. For example, some of my niches do extremely well with just one article submission a month. Quality is always the determinant leverage whether it be articles or the syndication outlets. From these uncompromised basics it's generally simply a matter of scale.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    I'm wondering, from your experience, how long does it take for you to make one site profitable?
    Depending on the competitiveness but literally i focus on less competitive niche that i usually can rank within a month.

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    How do you pick a good niche?
    I research my niche first and see if there is an average of 3, 500 global searches a month. I also try to determine mentally if its going to be a buying keyword.

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    Are you building a list?
    Not for all niches, in really competitive niche building a list is very vital. If you are not famous it is likely that you are not going to make sufficient sales because trust will become a yardstick for measuring where to buy from.

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    If so what do you write to your list? How do you ask for the sale?
    I tell them exactly what the product is all about and what they stand to benefit from it. Benefit sells and features merely describes.

    Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

    Do you focus on just one product per niche
    99.9 percent of successful marketers do not including myself.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Vraibel
    Awesome stuff as always, Alexa. Count me in as one of those who would love the chance to purchase a WSO of yours about article syndication.

    I know you get bombarded all the time with questions about this, it's really kind of you to give such detailed responses to all of them.

    Something that I've been wondering though - how long is a typical article of yours? I know it will vary from niche to niche etc. but do you have any ballpark numbers? I typically write daily 500-600 word articles but I'm thinking that it might be more effective to write articles that are a couple thousand words and maybe do them less often. Any advice?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Brendan Vraibel View Post

      how long is a typical article of yours? I know it will vary from niche to niche etc. but do you have any ballpark numbers?
      1,000 - 1,300 words. Ballpark.

      I haven't done many that are 2,000, so I don't know; sorry.

      1,000+ helps to get you syndicated, and helps to attract buyers: this I know for sure, in a huge range of different niches. I've done some 800-900-word ones, too, and they can also do ok. 600 not nearly so well.

      Sometimes length matters. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author spmarketer
    good information here.. I am new to this forum and this might be a stupid question but what is "WSO"?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      This article syndication model does not require many articles at all to beat out the competition in even the most "saturated", or hottest niches.
      Clearly.

      This is what I find myself thinking and wanting to say, every time someone begins a thread with the words "How many articles ...?": it makes me feel like starting a thread called "Stop asking 'How many articles?'."

      But people genuinely don't appreciate this point, and are used to quantitative approaches to everything in internet marketing.

      Originally Posted by spmarketer View Post

      good information here.. I am new to this forum and this might be a stupid question but what is "WSO"?
      Welcome. It stands for "Warrior Special Offer" - it's an advertising section of the forum, where Warriors list "internet marketing products for sale as a special offer (i.e. discounted price)". It's here: Warrior Special Offers Forum . Don't spend thousands on your first day: it will still be there tomorrow. And in a month's time when you'll know who's who and can judge better which ones to buy.

      Little tip: never buy one that makes an income claim.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Ashley Gable View Post

        Not sure whether its is a UK US thing. I was born in the UK, but grew up in the US, so my spelling/grammar is all over the place... my English teachers gave up in the end So I wouldnt know what side of the pond it comes from.
        Would that be your teachers of UK descent, or your teachers of the English language?

        And yes, I've always been a smartass...
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    There are perhaps a surprising number of puzzlingly underutilised comparative and superlative forms to otherwise very common, time-worn adjectives and adverbs.

    As an aside, here's a hearty recommendation for an application (free version) called WordWeb. An excellent aid to one's writing, and, in my opinion, far more convenient than both traditional paper and browser-based alternatives.
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  • Profile picture of the author Astron
    Alexa,

    Do you filter the websites which you contact to by Alexa rank ? I usually don`t contact websites (to publish my articles) with too high Alexa rank (low traffic), because I think I wouldn`t benefit too much of it. Do you think I should do? When I search for suitable websites I find that 80% of them are owned by newbie bloggers and probably the only visitors are their family members and close friends.. I can judge by the poor design of the website, the almost zero pagerank, 10+Million Alexa rank and so on..

    Also, may I ask that when did you join to EZA? Do you feel that it`s more difficult to syndicate an article through Eza to quality websites then let`s say 5 years ago? Do serious, authority websites are still publishing articles from Eza?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      Do you filter the websites which you contact to by Alexa rank
      I don't.

      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      I usually don`t contact websites (to publish my articles) with too high Alexa rank (low traffic), because I think I wouldn`t benefit too much of it.
      I think that's because you're assuming that there's a valid correlation between their Alexa rank and their traffic?

      Call me a skepchick but that's not an assumption I share at all.

      "Alexa rank" is derived from (perhaps inaccurately) monitoring only users of the Alexa toolbar, most of whom are internet marketers. Nothing about customers or "normal traffic" at all.

      I see that it might be of some spurious, questionable relevance to someone selling a website, or selling advertising space on one, whose customers may be influenced by it. But for any other purpose? Not for me ...

      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      Do you think I should do?
      No; I think you should ignore it completely.

      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      When I search for suitable websites I find that 80% of them are owned by newbie bloggers and probably the only visitors are their family members and close friends.
      What's "probable" to you, is just "unknown" to me.

      And its "Alexa rank" won't be changing my mind about that.

      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      I can judge by the poor design of the website
      This, I think, is a far more valid point. But there's no real downside, you know?

      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      the almost zero pagerank
      I don't care about page rank. I care about relevance. If it's a site in my niche, I'll use it, if I can.

      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      Also, may I ask that when did you join to EZA?
      In 2008.

      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      Do you feel that it`s more difficult to syndicate an article through Eza to quality websites then let`s say 5 years ago? Do serious, authority websites are still publishing articles from Eza?
      Well, I haven't quite been there for 5 years.

      But I think they are, yes.

      It doesn't really matter what I think, though: you can easily find out for yourself, in your niche, whether they are: all you need to do is find the best, most syndicable articles you can in EZA, the really high-quality ones which are obviously written for syndication, and then check out via Google whether they've actually been re-published.

      (Don't rely on EZA to tell you whether or not they have, as some people take them - including their resource-boxes - without being recorded there as a publisher).

      But more than all the above, it would be a mistake to rely on this method of passive syndication as one's sole syndication method. In fact it's unwise to rely only on passive syndication at all. It's a good "extra", and it's actually how I started off building my business (because I knew no better, at the time). It can be very successful indeed - you can get an article syndicated from EZA to ezines with thousands of highly targeted subscribers, this way, and get a sudden flood of traffic, opt-ins and sales ... but it can also be slow, unreliable and involve some luck!
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