How many times can you submit a spun article?

Article spinning is dead. You'll do lots of work to smear the Web with spun articles and they won't be worth crap. I'd suggest you forget it and provide value rather than junk. Spun articles are junk and maxed out spun articles are worse than junk. Do you want to become known as the junkman of articles? I didn't think so. Good luck.

Submit where? to copyscape?

I'd say it depends on where copyscape is looking, You'd have to make sure that each version of the spun article is indexed inside the source that copyscapes search's. Am I saying that right? where ever copyscape is looking for duplicate content, then each article has to be listed there.

Rich

Article spinning really brings out polarising views from various people.

A well spun article at the sentence/phrase/word level should yield you many thousands of unique copies (in the eyes of Copyscape).

I think you need to figure out what you're using the article for. If you're just using it to spam article sites with for backlinks that one thing. If, on the other hand, you want real humans to read it and respond to it, that's another issue entirely. There's nothing wrong with either approach, btw.

For what you asked a spun article with 3 variations per lines will yield no more than 40-50 articles which can be readable and usable. Iam not saying only 40-50 will be produced. You can produce more but others will be garbage. Also try going higher and don't actually create 3 variations of same line.

Look at ultra spinnable articles. The reason why it produces so many articles is because it has 5-6 different variations per line and each variations says something else about the niche.

eg:

{how to learn french|where to learn french language from|why should we learn french}

these are different variations of same line yet not like the first line.

I actually see where travlinguy is coming from with this, and agree with him completely. Spun content is crap. It pollutes the internet. Also like he said, there are only so many ways that you can spin something and "have it fit in nicely".


I think this sentence highlights what I mean. If you have content that you have to worry about copyscape detecting, something is wrong.

It depends on how you are spinning it, if you are doing it manually, then you will be safe submitting it thousands of times, using a program like TBS I would say anywhere up to a few hundred you will be safe...

Whether it's "duplicate content" or not doesn't depend on how many times it's been spun or submitted without spinning. It depends on whether it appears twice or more within the same domain.

You're confusing "duplicate content" and "syndicated content", aren't you?

This little article will clarify the difference, for you: Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

As you can see, that article also includes some quotations of paragraphs from Google's WebMaster Central Blog, including the immortal line: "Duplicate content doesn’t cause your site to be penalized." (But note, again, that what you're asking about isn't duplicate content anyway).

As Google goes to some lengths to confirm, through a panel of experts at some of its conferences, Google likes syndicated content, appreciates the need for it, and differentiates entirely between syndicated content and duplicate content. This post will interest you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5273419

And this one might, too: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5286678

"Copyscape" is more for people buying articles, to check up that the writers they're employing (typically at prices that raise this possibility) haven't stolen the content sold to them.

All the comments above about "spun content" being useless cr@p, of course, are entirely correct. :p

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

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This is completely wrong. It doesn't depend how you're spinning it at all. It doesn't even matter whether you're spinning it at all, or just syndicating it unspun. Because you're talking about syndicated content, not duplicate content, but I'm afraid a lot of the conversation - as so often - has completely failed to take that into account. The beliefs of the Urban Myth School of internet marketing are, as ever, very pervasive indeed! :p

Article spinning is spam. There's really no other way to put it.

To answer your question, it depends on how much useless junk you want to put out there. Hopefully and usually Google does a good job filtering out garbage like this. Spinning is a bluefart technique.

Ask yourself this. If you seek information on the internet would you be interested in seeing the same article dominate page 1, 2 and 3, where the content is exactly the same, and the only difference is that it has been rewritten and optimized for another keyword variation?

No because you seek different sources, different solutions and different views on the matter.

Spinnning is a result of a person being lazy, desperate or simply that the person doesn't give a ****. If google did not work hard to counter your bluefart efforts, searching the internet would be a waste of time.

Ask yourself this. How does your internet marketing efforts improve other peoples lives? What good do your campaigns do to other people than yourself.

Stop spinning. That's all I can say - it's an immoral thing to do.

Spinning articles is actually the only thing you can do to raise to the top of Google for very competitive keywords - unless you want to spend thousands of dollars per month like some of your competitors are doing through link building companies - but do you really think that these link building companies have 10 workers manually creating links on a daily basis for one website? No. It would waste all their time. They're using these techniques, as well.

And for the companies who do actually create manual backlinks to your site, it's going to take them 5 years, maybe, to get you ranked high and by that time, before you even start seeing any organic search engine traffic, you've already spent $30,000 or more after only 2 years - so, forget that.

And if you're on page 2 - visitors never come through.

If you're in the top 3, you listened to me.

If you think doing things the "manual" way is going to get your site site to the top 3 for a keyword searched 500,000 times per month, it's never going to happen.

Write a high quality article on the topic of your site, a topic you know a lot about - rewrite each sentence as many times as possible using The Best Spinner - this way you have 3-10 sentences for every sentence.

Then go back to the beginning and spin each word/group of words in a row, as many times as possible - making sure know matter how it's spun, it will make total sense.

Before you submit the spun article using the top 4-5 submission services, save 10 versions and manually submit them to the top 10 article directories that people might actually find to read your article - this will also gain you high PR backlinks.

Once you start submitting your article into these submission services, you'll have to create many unique resource boxes, pen names and titles - for each submission.

This isn't a lazy mans work - it's time consuming and "lazy/not so smart" people do it wrong all the time - which is why certain people on here are completely against this method.

Once you've sent that one, fully spun, quality article through all your submission services, it's going to create 100's and 100's and even 1,000's of unique backlinks to your site.

Google in no way, shape or form is going to discredit any of these because the backlinks are surrounded by other words on the page that are 70-90% unique or more depending on how well spun you made the article - there's little or no chance the directories are going to reject your article from being on their site if it's quality - so you'll get it on the highest PR sites available from the ones that manually check it before it goes live, along with all the "low-end" article sites.

Google likes seeing this. If you only have links from high PR sites, and no other sites are "talking" about your site, it looks fake.

Which is why you also need to do social bookmarking, etc.

My experience (One example):
- One fully spun article
- Submitted using 3 submission services
Got me #1 and #2 rankings for a keyword searched 50,000 times per month, locally, on Google. I did this months back and I'm still there.

Amount of time spent link building on this keyword - 3 days to set everything up for submission working about 3 hours per day - but I'm really fast because I've been doing this for a while.

Articleman, please stop posting this garbage. Spinning it like you said takes entirely too long and is not worth the massive effort it takes to create just one spun article with such "deep spinning". I got burnt out trying to do this to little effect.

Create one quality article and spend your time trying to get that article in front of as much of your target audience as you can. This can be accomplished by getting it syndicated to quality sites and ezines that already have the audience you want.

I wouldn't submit a spum article at all. It is a real waste of time.

Write good quality articles meant for real people and you will get a lot farther with less work.

I believe that the answer to your question, regardless of my take on the effectiveness of spun articles is this, duplicate content is referring duplicating content within the same web domain.

You do however need to be aware of the rules of an Article site or blog that determine whether or not you are using content that has been used on other sites. They usually determine that in their approval process, whatever that is for each specific site.

Cheers,
ChucksPlace

The best way to stop this problem is drop the nasty word 'spin' and all it's amateur connotations and simply call them 'rewritten' :-)

I think being in the mindset of spinning, especially with short articles does you much more harm than good.

By far the best number of times to submit a spun article is zero. I have tested many different values over the years, and I now definitely find that zero submission times of a spun article beats all other values hands down.

John.

i do 1-10

oh my goodness. There is that S word again.

We have banned the F word in our house , but we have also banned that disgusting S word.

Step 1) Stop spinning articles.

Step 2) Stop spinning articles

Step 3) Stop spinning articles

Step 4) Repeat steps 1 - 3 again.

Enough said.

P.S. Forgive him father, for he knows NOT what he does.

I quit spinning last year, only reason I would see where spinning is important is if your using blackhat software like bmd or scrapebox.

I don't care how many people "bash" me down on here. I'll spend a day writing a high quality article, one that spreads by other people to other sites simply because it's quality and this helps to put it in front of 100's and 100's of targeted readers. I receive a few thousand visitors to my site monthly just from all of the directories my articles are found on. I never submit garbage. When I write and spin, I see it as art work. But, what works best for me and my site, is when I fully spin the article over the course of hours, and then submit it "auto" through various submission services.

If I can receive 500 visitors per month from the click-throughs on one article, and can also rank high on Google page one for the keyword(s) within the article by creating 100's and 100's of unique backlinks by using these submission services and beautifully spinning the article, then why not?

I don't care if it costs me more than $300 for these services. Once I hit the top of page one of Google, I'm getting 1000's of visitors, not just a few hundred from article click-throughs.

If someone told you you could choose one marketing strategy and complete it using option A: And make $10, or complete it using option B: And make $100, what would you choose?

This is business. No matter which keyword you want to rank high for, there's a 99% chance that you're going to see some heavy-hitters ranking in the top 3.

How do you think they rank that high? By doing what's "morally" right?

And for anyone who says that doing what I do is "red flagging" Google and they're going to catch on - they don't, they won't, ever.

Every time Google spiders find the same backlinks to one of my pages from all of these spun article versions, the backlinks are surrounded by unique content/different words - Google counts each link - which raises my site highly on their search engine.

I've spent thousands paying link building companies that do work for BestBuy, Honda, Toys R Us, Dell, etc., etc., etc., and never saw these types of results.

I've done huge social bookmarking campaigns and never saw these types of results. I've "whitehated" dozens of manual, high PR links for a certain keyword and never saw these types of results. I've submitted my site to every website directory and never saw these types of results. I've filled out a resume, and showed my previous work to a PR 8 writing site, which accepted me, and have had my articles voted on many times for their quality, beating other peoples articles on the same subject, and never saw these kind of results.

This is because making money online with any website, is about getting as many unique backlinks as possible that's surround by content that's in reference to your site, not by spending hours everyday only to create a few decent links per day.

For the first two years from 2006-08, I thought doing things "morally" was the way to go, as well, but I wanted to up in the rankings with the "big boys" - And I'm doing whatever it takes.

Like I said... It's business. It's not a game... It's not always entirely fun... It's business... Business is about making as much money as possible.

Also, even if your articles that your submitting in a "moral" way, manually to only high PR article sites, is generating 1,000 visitors per month, and that's most likely a high ball number, for most people, if you're lucky, you'll turn 2% of the visitors into buyers. If you profit on average $10 per sale on a monthly conversion of 2% that's only $200 per month. If your site also has adsense, you'll most likely get around 2-5% clicks on the those 1,000 visitors per month, as well - if each click on average gets you around 35 cents and you sustain a 5% monthly click rate, that's an additional $70.00 per month, which in combination with your sales, works out to be $270.00 per month.

Is that worth your time and effort through hours of manual, or should I say "moral" submitting your articles?

So my big question to anyone "bashing" what I have to say on here, are you in it to make money, or are you just in it?

An even better question is how many times can you do it before you start to see a decline in your business. It'd do you much more good to ask yourself how many really original and interesting articles you can write.

You can spin the article as many as you want. But make sure that you must spin every sentence than just words, because it will make the article readable. The more quality you provide for the spun articles, the more high quality unique content you can submit.

LOLz Now folks... You know that the magic of spinning is in the numbers...

If you can make an article at least 100% unique, then you got it made. Then you can submit that article to as many sites as you want without any "Spinning Penalty".

The trick of it is to pass the smell test with the websites you are asking to accept your articles. If your content doesn't read, look or smell like ****, then you are good to go.

Anything less than 100% unique though, then you are screwed. The Google algorithm has gotten wise to Article Spinning software.

Remember, the Google Algorithm is powered by numbers, and it can see all of the Internet at all times.

If you cannot hit the right numbers, you are screwed.

So, I'd recommend making all of your spun content at least 100% unique before you submit it anywhere.

Hola,

I have never used an article spinner but I might try experimenting with them sometime soon. Thanks for reminding me. Article writing was actually my first way that I made money online I believe...But idk don't spin them TOO much or else you'll lose the human element and it will sound like a robot wrote it.

What is all this crap about morals and polluting the internet

SEO is about forcing your site to the top of Google as fast as possible and there are no rewards for respecting the internet. Everyone knows that 99% of sites spun articles are submitted to places where no human soul will ever read them anyways.

At the end of the day your clients or your affiliates are not going to reward you for creating great informative great informative content . They are going to reward you for top spots in Google.

Go ahead and tell you local SEO client that its gonna take 4 months for him to get good results because "you want to respect the internet and make great content". Guarantee you he is gonna hop to the firm down the street that can get him a ROI in a month with black hat stuff.

Seriously look up a big local term "dallas dentist" "Dallas SEO" etc, and you will see someone with a network or extremely clever grey/black hat SEO holding the top spot.

Intellegent spamming, shady tactics, and clever ways to pass PR have and still control Google and people with private networks still hold top rankings.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but your quality content and hours of hard work are not going to get you to the top of Google quickly or consistently.

SEO is about gaming Google, not being a defender of the internet and champion of quality content. On top of that running a SEO business is about efficiency and results. All this high road mental masturbation might give you something to preach, but its not going to fill your bank account or make your clients happy.

My clients have also held top spots in Google for about 2 years straight now, so don't even start with the "THIS WONT WORK FOREVER, THE END IS NIGH" bs

I dont think that spinning is actually that productive. You are better of spending the time researching to create good content that people will talk about and learn something from that way word will spread and you will get traffic.

Consider spending the time creating a cool infographic it will get pinned, tweeted,shared,G+ ed and much more, the game is changing and we are moving from a text based stream to a visual stream. As a result the value of text and article directories is diminishing and so is the power of their links.

Why put your business in the hands of a third party that changes the rules so it will always win the game. Thats crazy!

Whenever the word spun is mentioned in this forum you can guarantee that both sides of the fence are going to come and bicker about right from wrong.

Beckers post on page one make perfect sense to me coming as a marketer that works with offline companies who want results this month, not in 6 months time.

One thing I would like to add to Becker13's post is, if you have your own private just be extremely cautious about using spun content on our PR network.

Ive got results with and without the use of spun content in my seo campaigns.

Using spun content is another one of those "there's no right or wrong way" aspects of IM

I don't know why you will spin your article. Just after publishing your article on your website and get indexed, go ahead and syndicate it without changing it to some article directories with a link back to your website.