Is flipping sites worth it?

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Hi all

Im interested in flipping sites, but is it worth it?

I mean to build a new site and try and sell it

Is it a lot of work for peanuts?
#flipping #sites #worth
  • Profile picture of the author Phil Jones
    Flipping new/starup sites right now isn't really worth the time and effort.

    But profitable and established sites are selling like crazy right now!
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRealDomainer
      The issue of flipping website as a business is different from coming into it as an income opportunity...

      Building and flipping sites is worth it in all ramification...

      Domain, blog and website flipping is a good business model...

      All old sites where started as new sites at one pint or the other...

      What you need here is understanding the fundamentals which includes among others as:

      1. Being able to register domain names... It will surprise you that some IM do not know how to register domain.

      2. being able to register domains that has greate qualities with hungry buyers waiting.

      3. being able to own and set up your own hosting account

      4. Being able to build sites with turnkey software, easiest being a blog with wrodpress

      5. Being able to write fresh content in time in a particular niche

      6. Laziness in continuous writing of articles instead of copying from somewhere

      7. Understanding the real fundamental of where to sell your site/blog/domains

      8. Pricing of your blog, domain or sites

      9. Being able to technically backup and transfer site content and domain from your host to your buyer's own..

      And a host of others.

      Flipping is worth it and there is big money here. But you must work and understand how it works..
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    If you don't need money right now but you want to get into selling websites, your best bet is to build a great site and get it earning some money - then 6 months from now you'll be able to make a tidy profit!

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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    bugga... i dont have the money to invest in established sites

    Im pretty broke and was hoping to find a way to make some money within a week. Im not very good at writing content but i know how to build sites.

    P.S. Thanks for the fast replies
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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    wow thanks for the list of tips domainer.. you must have posted as i posted.
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  • Profile picture of the author yommys01
    It depends on what you want for yourself. For me it is worth it as I recently made my first money online after 14 months of wandering around the internet.

    Start up sites don't seem to sell as much as established site. What I intend doing and I think would benefit the OP is get as much money as possible from selling start up sites and then focus of long term flips.
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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    registering a domain name i can handle.. setting up wordpress on a server is easy... obviously the best bet is to have the domain name at a registrar that the buyer joins is the easiest, to make the transfer.

    Honestly i can cope with most of that except the content. Paying someone $5 / per 500 word article for 10 articles would equal $50 and that would kill all profit i guess
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  • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
    Hi EzyTrader,

    If you can't pay for the unique articles, write them or opt for automated contents.

    BTW, you don't need SUPER DUPER HIGH QUALITY articles for your flips. I pay my articles writers $2-$4 for 400 words to 500 words articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author yommys01
    You can use Plr articles if you are looking for 50 dollars flip but you will definitely make more using unique articles. I sold a site for 75 dollars recently with unique articles written by me.

    Look's cheap but the domain name is .info plus the buyer has given me 2 other jobs to do for him which I find interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allegro
    alright, i had a small report written here, but since i wanted to write an ebook/report this weekend i decided to keep it and turn it into a report i can sell. LOL.

    however. i learned everything i had written here on two blogs and a website. i took me about 2 days to read through the archives of the blogs and some random reading on the board, so you can educate yourself.

    DesmondBlog.com - Site Flipping and Make Money Online
    The University Kid | Young Entrepreneur Blog
    Webmaster Forum - Internet Marketing & Search Engine Forums

    Good Luck! I am off writing my report
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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    Thanks for the links Allegro

    I have a blog i set up when i first tested wordpress.. maybe you guys can give me some tips on what it needs done to it so i can flip it.

    Please.. dont hold back on bad points... SmallBizTips dot net

    the articles are just pasted from ezine and such

    any feedback appreciated
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  • Profile picture of the author Allegro
    you need original content. if you suck at writing as me, order some articles on DP, they are cheap - between $3 and $5. you have to do some testing though until you find a good writer.

    however, dont expect to get a lot of money for such an "average" blog. i think if you sell on DP you would make get around $15. however, you can register a new domain with it and repeat the process... if you website shows a little bit revenue, it can sell for much more!

    btw if you flip on public sites (DP or sitepoint), just try to flip turnkey websites that you basically just have to upload. if its a blog, add some content. you should do that because of the small profits you will have to flip several websites per day, and you need every minute you can save.

    if you want to go into site flipping as a business, collect the email adresses of the people who bought from you and email them when you have a new page for sale. as soon as you can spare the money for an autoresponder add them to a list, and build a squeeze page and build a second list with people who would like to get a notification when you have a website for sale. then notify the first list (people who already bought from you) as soon as you posted the thread (or auction), and the second list one day later.

    btw i didnt mean to insult you when i said "average" blog, because just as an example look at this page
    Game Review Central | Reviews of games for Nintendo Wii, Xbox 360, and Playstation 3
    that is a website Kate Anderson flipped. It has unique content, good graphics and a killer theme (the theme is inflating sitepoint, sadly). PLUS: she has branded herself. she is one of the very best flippers over there and is known for very high quality.

    edit: btw she is following the same business model the blogger from TheUniversityKid.com uses or used. she flips standard affiliate niche authority websites as well as ebooks + salespage after creating some sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
      Originally Posted by Allegro View Post

      you need original content. if you suck at writing as me, order some articles on DP, they are cheap - between $3 and $5. you have to do some testing though until you find a good writer.

      however, dont expect to get a lot of money for such an "average" blog. i think if you sell on DP you would make get around $15. however, you can register a new domain with it and repeat the process... if you website shows a little bit revenue, it can sell for much more!

      btw if you flip on public sites (DP or sitepoint), just try to flip turnkey websites that you basically just have to upload. if its a blog, add some content. you should do that because of the small profits you will have to flip several websites per day, and you need every minute you can save.

      if you want to go into site flipping as a business, collect the email adresses of the people who bought from you and email them when you have a new page for sale. as soon as you can spare the money for an autoresponder add them to a list, and build a squeeze page and build a second list with people who would like to get a notification when you have a website for sale. then notify the first list (people who already bought from you) as soon as you posted the thread (or auction), and the second list one day later.

      btw i didnt mean to insult you when i said "average" blog, because just as an example look at this page
      Game Review Central | Reviews of games for Nintendo Wii, Xbox 360, and Playstation 3
      that is a website Kate Anderson flipped. It has unique content, good graphics and a killer theme (the theme is inflating sitepoint, sadly). PLUS: she has branded herself. she is one of the very best flippers over there and is known for very high quality.

      edit: btw she is following the same business model the blogger from TheUniversityKid.com uses or used. she flips standard affiliate niche authority websites as well as ebooks + salespage after creating some sales.
      Man, that is a GREAT idea! I'll have to compile all my previous buyers' emails and put them on a list. This should get me repeat buyers.

      As far as the question, YES. I made $203 this week alone with it and $528 total for January (this is profit). Not bad, considering I made just as much in my first year online. But when you do treat it like a REAL business (say, working 8-10 hours a day), it will pay dividends.

      For the remainder of 2009, I'm working a bit harder on my sites. I don't wanna go into details, I'm simply just gonna do it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allegro
        Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

        Man, that is a GREAT idea! I'll have to compile all my previous buyers' emails and put them on a list. This should get me repeat buyers.
        That makes $20, please. :p

        Just kidding. We are on the Warriorforum, so why not give some nuggets away, thats why we are here.
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  • You should be able to write at least as good as some one who only charges $2-$3 per article. With that being said, take the time and write the articles yourself.

    Blog posts only need to be in the 300 word range to look good. So, take three hours -write 6-8 original 300 word articles, and you are set.

    You now only need to get the listing fee, domain and hosting charges, in order to break even.

    If you want to flip a site, invest your TIME not money in those articles. Then if you sell the site for $50, you end up making $35 profit or so.

    Dont be lazy! Treat it like a business and you will make money. Successful business owners sometimes put in 80 hours a week when starting out.

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Sean Hoffman
    uhh yes ? +chars
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  • Profile picture of the author Allegro
    my personal opinion is, that you should avoid sitepoint at the moment. the market is saturated with medium quality websites, and even slick ones like Kate Anderson's (yes i'm a fan!) sometimes fail.

    with that being said: IF you make a sale, on DP you will get less money. but i think AT THE MOMENT it is not worse than the $10 you spend for the listing. you would need $25 on sitepoint to break even, and $15 on DP ($10 domain, $5 hosting).
    do something like
    Starting Bid $10
    BIN $50
    Reserve: yes
    Auction ends 48h after the last bid.

    the reserve would be $15 or 20, but you dont tell them that
    you can lower the bin if you see that the bidding doesnt go well, thats a common tactic.
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      It's well worth flipping sites.
      The key is to flip something that is making a profit.

      So instead of just creating a site, and then immediately trying to sell it, do this: Create the site, and get it earning a couple hundred dollars per month in profit - then flip it.
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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    Thanks for all the great info guys

    when i add the cost and time together i guess flipping new sites isnt worth it at the moment. I will take allegro's advice and do some more research with the links he provided.
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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    is godaddy the best place for flippers to have the domain regstered?

    seems most people use this place and makes transfer easier
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    • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
      Originally Posted by EzyTrader View Post

      is godaddy the best place for flippers to have the domain regstered?

      seems most people use this place and makes transfer easier
      The main reason I (a site flipper of course) used GoDaddy and Name.com is because they offer cheap .com domains. I used namecheap from time to time too.

      Plus, a combination of GoDaddy + Hostgator will make sure the domain name propagates quickly and I can build the site right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    you make it sound easy but i dont think it is.

    I can certainly put a checkmark in front of all points "thedomainer" brought up, but i see bids on DP, ebay or SP for your typical site which are far too LOW that i even bother to make a blog and sell it for max $100 profit.

    Many good looking sites go as low as $50...please.

    So now you bring up the point that its good to get them aged and get some traffic and be able to PROVE that the sites make money.

    But then we're already leaving the realm of "blog flipping", instead we deal with the usual problems like "how can i get my site up to PR3, PR4+ and get 1000s of visitors?". And then you might not even want to flip anymore.

    I still say that from what i see i dont think it's worth it for new domains/blogs with PR0..but isnt this what blog flipping is about?
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    • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      you make it sound easy but i dont think it is.

      I can certainly put a checkmark in front of all points "thedomainer" brought up, but i see bids on DP, ebay or SP for your typical site which are far too LOW that i even bother to make a blog and sell it for max $100 profit.

      Many good looking sites go as low as $50...please.

      So now you bring up the point that its good to get them aged and get some traffic and be able to PROVE that the sites make money.

      But then we're already leaving the realm of "blog flipping", instead we deal with the usual problems like "how can i get my site up to PR3, PR4+ and get 1000s of visitors?". And then you might not even want to flip anymore.

      I still say that from what i see i dont think it's worth it for new domains/blogs with PR0..but isnt this what blog flipping is about?
      Hi GeorgeR,

      This is a normal misconception and some of the emails that I received every week often discussed on this topics:

      "How is it possible to sell new blogs?"

      Maybe the best way to explain to you about this is telling you who our buyers are. Most of my buyers in my list consisted of:

      - REALLY REALLY good internet marketers. (this fellow knows SEO from head to toe, has huge email list but never really expose their names like Joel Comm etc. etc.)

      - Affiliate marketers.

      - Newbies.

      - People who got laid off from their jobs.

      - Stay at home moms.

      - Young kiddos.

      - Site flippers.

      Honestly, the main reason why sitepoint is saturated with bids is because everyone is selling the same thing with the same objective.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by JamesEcho1 View Post

      Yes it is a lot of work, but imagine the profits you can make. If you buy a site and get a web designer, how much money do you think you could make? Think about it.
      Mistake)

      Why waste money on a web designer if there's literally 1000s of sharp looking free templates and a 5 year old can install Wordpress, with some training

      Assumption)

      "Lot of Work" Maybe for someone starting out, and being very new to all of this. Otherwise i don't think its "a lot of work", its "a little work".

      Putting too much work in a few sites you want to sell would probably what would kill your business at the end. It should happen quickly, i mean like 5+ blogs a day. No "super-high quality" blogs, but "good looking" blogs which certainly can make you $50-$100. And this can be learned and automatized even.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    from your blog
    Come on, what can you talk bad about United States when you have Wal-Marts, NFL and California?
    Roflmao...WAL-MART? The horror....

    But on a serious side-note, maybe it is profitable if you make (or let someone make) blogs, and i mean A LOT blogs. And then sell 5-10 a day so you will still make a fortune even if you sell each for only $49.

    And for $49 they might actually sell...
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      from your blog


      Roflmao...WAL-MART? The horror....

      But on a serious side-note, maybe it is profitable if you make (or let someone make) blogs, and i mean A LOT blogs. And then sell 5-10 a day so you will still make a fortune even if you sell each for only $49.

      And for $49 they might actually sell...
      But when you consider hosting, domain registration (hopefully you can pick the right one 100% of the time), auction fees (payable whether you sell or not), and time...

      $49 don't seem like too much.

      Even at $490 a day gross income (unlikely, cuz they won't all sell, by the way...), and after taxes and expenses...

      Hardly a 'fortune" in most "first world" countries.

      The "build a blog today-sell tomorrow" concept is highly flawed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    site flipping is worth it if you know what to do and where to sell them. You have to create high quality sites for the start. This means it needs unique content, a decent template and some traffic. These may need some investments on your part.

    It is only worth it only if you have the patience to wait for your site to grow. Make 1 site a day. And after 6 months, you'll be selling high quality established sites daily.
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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    I appreciate all the tips you guys are giving me

    I just bught a domain name on go daddy... and havnt decided wether to do a blog or a forum... i know forums are a lot more work to set up but im getting the feeling that blog flipping is over satuarated
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    I think you guys are forgetting a few things. First off, sites are getting very little money for a variety of reasons, none of them due to saturation. Here's a list:

    1) Crap content. Not unique. Write the articles yourself or outsource and show the quality and tell your buyers they get the exclusive rights.
    2) Flashy templates with big pictures but nothing else. Hey, the sites are all about income, right? I look at these sites and the first thing I say is how am I going to make money with this site?
    3) No unique product. There is a flipper who gets over $400 per flip almost always. How? A list and unique ebook product with each site.
    4) No memorable/interesting domain name. Put some thought into this.

    Hope this jogs a few ideas out of your heads

    TomG.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
      I'd like to offer my .02 here.

      First of all, the people trying to make a quick buck flipping aren't going to be able to do it long. There are too many others that are trying the same thing.

      However, if you are willing to actually spend the time to do keyword research, select the right products, and carefully layout your blog and create unique content, then you should be able to sell the site.

      I would never sell a site for under 75 bucks, and even that is low. I can make that much letting it sit for a few months.

      If you really want to flip a site in a short time, then you have to make the right decisions across the board. It isn't hard, but luckily it is hard enough to keep the quitters out of the way.
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    • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      I think you guys are forgetting a few things. First off, sites are getting very little money for a variety of reasons, none of them due to saturation. Here's a list:

      1) Crap content. Not unique. Write the articles yourself or outsource and show the quality and tell your buyers they get the exclusive rights.
      2) Flashy templates with big pictures but nothing else. Hey, the sites are all about income, right? I look at these sites and the first thing I say is how am I going to make money with this site?
      3) No unique product. There is a flipper who gets over $400 per flip almost always. How? A list and unique ebook product with each site.
      4) No memorable/interesting domain name. Put some thought into this.

      Hope this jogs a few ideas out of your heads

      TomG.
      Dito.

      Look, here's my opinion on this.

      Treat this as a business. You are providing "packages" to buyers that "makes them money" when they market it properly. It's a ready, plug'n play kind of package - just get on your server and ready to go.

      Now, You may make one sale, or two but you won't have recurring buyers if you don't provide value to your prospect buyers. Most people who pick those startup packages up from there are Internet Marketers or complete rookies, as far as my knowledge and experience goes. You deliver them packages that makes them money when they promote it properly, and in the process you make decent profits.

      How does a one day old blog sell for good profits?

      1) Customized theme/ graphics.
      2) Good quality articles.
      3) Good domain name..

      Many, and I mean way too many, people are trying to plain rip-off others who have a successful flip run. Like the whole auction copy, flip model is ripped off and they still do not make any profits - not because there is a flaw with the model, but mostly because they want the easy way.

      This is not an easy way, let alone the easiest, to make money online. As any other thing, you have to put in some work there. With experience, you'll develop a good blend of quality and quantity of work. I'll just make myself more clear with an example: Suppose you grab a premium theme, 15 unique well written articles, customized graphics, PLR eBook attached and sell it for $300. Your premium theme + customized graphics would have cost around $100. Reduce that cost, and add a completely unique wordpress theme. Normally would cost around $200 and you increase the perceived value in the mind of a prospect buyer. You can make $100 more in profits.. and that was just an example. :-)

      So, the concept is flawed? No. If you tweak the system, and deliver what the market wants - you'll sell it, no matter what.

      One more mistake that way too many people committ is being in a hurry to sell the website. I've committed the same mistake myself in the past. You may always re-list it if it doesn't sell for the first time.

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      There are some people who have build a name out there, and their name speaks for quality. That is why people buy stuff from them. When they fail to deliver what the market wants, the market won't respond very well.

      Everyone's after money - they want profits from what they buy. If your product gives profits after putting in the right efforts, they'll buy from you.

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      I've been more involved in flipping blogs and websites, membership based specially when they are around a month old. I've also flipped many startup blogs (1 dayers ) for $300~. And all from my experience, it is worth it.

      It is worth it if you're willing to organize everything to save a lot of time and stuff. Basically, if you are selling wordpress blogs, you may keep a simple folder on your hard drive with all the plugins and themes etc.. and just upload'em to the server when you work on a new project. Create a new folder for each of your project, and just zip the folder when the auction is won. Saves collecting all files from here and there.. many such things can be done to ensure you take lesser time for each flip.

      That was just an example.. that you can minimize the time factor here.

      You may start with low cost websites, your profits might be low at first - but when you build a credibility among buyers, when they know your packages are well worth the price - they'll pay for it. You just gotta prove that. :-)

      All in all, I'd recommend you to go try it. There's not much to lose after all, just around 1 day of work and a few bucks?


      Is it a lot of work for peanuts?
      Wasn't for me.. and I'm quite sure it ain't a lot of work for peanuts. Those who get peanuts deserve it, in most cases.


      P.S. : Just follow this advice from one gentleman in the thread right from the START.
      if you want to go into site flipping as a business, collect the email adresses of the people who bought from you and email them when you have a new page for sale. as soon as you can spare the money for an autoresponder add them to a list, and build a squeeze page and build a second list with people who would like to get a notification when you have a website for sale. then notify the first list (people who already bought from you) as soon as you posted the thread (or auction), and the second list one day later.
      It's golden. At least it was for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    yes, $49 would not cut it. Seeing that sitepoint charges $20 alone for the listing fees. Add $10 for the domain..no way to do this under $79.
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    • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      yes, $49 would not cut it. Seeing that sitepoint charges $20 alone for the listing fees. Add $10 for the domain..no way to do this under $79.
      This is a MAJOR misconception.

      What if I tell you all of my blogs' total cost & set up are less than $30. Would you believe me?

      Assuming I maxed my cost per blog to $30 and with the Sitepoint listing fee of $10 -- that's only $40.

      If I sell that blog for $79 (most of starting bid), I still make $39 profits -- within an hour. It's the quickest way to generate money IMO.

      However, that is only if you know how to flip blogs correctly which angers me that some people just treat blog flipping as "buy and sell" or "build and sell".

      Like what Tom said, YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR WEBSITE SELLS! No point offering some lousy price at $200+ right. Let your sites do the selling if you get what I mean.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
        Originally Posted by desmondblog View Post

        This is a MAJOR misconception.

        What if I tell you all of my blogs' total cost & set up are less than $30. Would you believe me?

        Assuming I maxed my cost per blog to $30 and with the Sitepoint listing fee of $10 -- that's only $40.

        If I sell that blog for $79 (most of starting bid), I still make $39 profits -- within an hour. It's the quickest way to generate money IMO.

        However, that is only if you know how to flip blogs correctly which angers me that some people just treat blog flipping as "buy and sell" or "build and sell".

        Like what Tom said, YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR WEBSITE SELLS! No point offering some lousy price at $200+ right. Let your sites do the selling if you get what I mean.

        Sorry, but my time is worth more than 39 bucks. The above poster had it right, you are better off spending a little bit and selling high than spinning your wheels and selling low. I don't have the time or energy to sell 3-4 blogs a day to make what I could otherwise.
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        • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
          Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

          Sorry, but my time is worth more than 39 bucks. The above poster had it right, you are better off spending a little bit and selling high than spinning your wheels and selling low. I don't have the time or energy to sell 3-4 blogs a day to make what I could otherwise.
          Of course long term flips are more alluring in a way and I flipped tons of them (more than startups) but at some point, startups are easy to flip too.

          $39 for copy and pasting works are pretty good IMO. Of course, that's the minimum amount that I can earn.

          Startups site:

          - no risk whatsoever. you don't risk not making enough money from that site to raise its value.

          - you don't need to promote or market it.

          - you can relax and create a site.

          - you can outsource.

          However, even if I talked a day here -- no one will understand the truth beauty of flipping start ups until they flipped at least a couple of them.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
            Copy and paste...are you talking about scraping content or hiring writers?
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  • Profile picture of the author Trieu
    Unless you have built a site with traffic and conversions already, its difficult to sell websites these days. Unless, of course the website is totally unique. I seen so many BANS type ebay sites being saturated everywhere, and just not selling anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    Im starting to get some really good tips here and i just would like to thank you all.

    I sold a theme on my ezytrader site so i decided to spend it here lol.
    I have picked up Phil jones ugly sites into 100/month course and also Desmonds Blog flipping formula.

    So i intend on studying a bit before i start flipping (I dont want to wreck my reputation on my first flip with a bad site)

    Thanks guys
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucas Adamski
    The best way is to buyh start up site or established one and pull of some big profits from it and slel for 5-6 monthly profits. Its fairly easy if you get get some nice site on sitepoint.
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    • Profile picture of the author matthewc
      Site flipping is definately worth it - not with selling some lame $100 or $200 small site though,which basically has no use whatsoever to any human being seeing it.

      Create sites which people will find useful and will be liked.

      I've got an established site(making $860/month) on sale at the moment if anybody is interested in buying it or giving his best offer.

      You can read the details here: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...portunity.html

      Thanks,
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  • To me, it would be a better idea to consistently build sites and profit off them while they are growing in my posession. 3 to 4 months down the road you have all these sites that are making 1-2 or more sales a month and that adds up when you have enough sites.

    After 3-4 months or so you have a continually growing network of sites that you can start selling off if you want that are established and have income. So not only do you get all the profits you've earned over the past few months, your sites are constantly replacing themselves with new earners and you have a much better chance of getting high selling prices for income generating sites.

    This is the model that i'm trying.
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    • Profile picture of the author eikliw
      Originally Posted by YoYoPro View Post

      To me, it would be a better idea to consistently build sites and profit off them while they are growing in my posession. 3 to 4 months down the road you have all these sites that are making 1-2 or more sales a month and that adds up when you have enough sites.

      After 3-4 months or so you have a continually growing network of sites that you can start selling off if you want that are established and have income. So not only do you get all the profits you've earned over the past few months, your sites are constantly replacing themselves with new earners and you have a much better chance of getting high selling prices for income generating sites.

      This is the model that i'm trying.
      this is what you want to do.

      Build up your sites over time, make some profits for yourself, and to show your site earns revenue, then flip it for 10-12x revenue. easy as pie.

      outsource articles and schedule them to post every few days and wait for your profits.
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  • If you are going to flip sites you need to make sure that they get
    a lot of traffic and they convert well.

    because there is a lot of sites for sale online nowadays and some of them are scams but you have to do your research if you want to flip a site.

    It is a lot of hard work very hard work
    I personally would not do it unless I had a site that was earning a lot and
    has a lot of traffic going to it and I didn't have the time to spend on that site
    then I would flip it but otherwise I wouldn't do it.

    But on the other hand why would you want to flip a site if its making a lot of money every month.


    But that's not to say it cannot be done because it can and you can make a lot of money doing it if its done right. So the answer is do your research before you attempt to flip a site
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  • Profile picture of the author budfox
    In my opinion the whole website buying/selling thing is a giant sham. Well over 90% of all websites for sale are a scam in one way or another - at the very least they are misleading you about existing traffic and income potential.

    I am talking more from a website buyer's standpoint here. Most of the stuff for sale on Sitepoint is near worthless.

    There is a reason for this. No site that is worth buying is going to be for sale. I certainly would never sell a website that was worth keeping. Would you?

    I would rather buy expired domains that have some PR and are ranked well and pay my article team $150 for 50 pages of original content and see what I can do with it. If the site starts producing income, any amount worthwhile, no way do I sell that site for anything under 3 years expected income.

    If you could really buy quality sites for 10-12 months income that's all I would do. But most people think like I do so quality sites are just not for sale in my experience. But plenty of lies and scams are. Waste of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
      Originally Posted by budfox View Post

      I am talking more from a website buyer's standpoint here. Most of the stuff for sale on Sitepoint is near worthless.
      I agree, I have wasted hours on there and once I did a bit of due diligence I could find nothing worth buying - it would make more sense for me to just buy a domain and use a wordpress theme to make a decent site in a very short time, then start the real work: add quality content, build and grow the traffic and monetize the site - by which stage I would be unlikely to want to sell it.

      Look at it from a buyers point of view (ie: me) I am looking for a good domain name; age; traffic (which would mean some seo work had already been done: decent backlinks, ideally a dmoz/yahoo directory link and other good links etc); quality original content; pr; + I am looking for the potential - can I monetize the site better, can I add more content easily, can I improve the seo, etc to get a return on my investment. If a site ticks all these boxes I can and will pay good money for it - but sites like this are very far and few between.
      But I don't create sites to flip and I don't buy sites to flip - I am in it for the long term, but mostly I cannot find the sites I want so I end up creating them myself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        Originally Posted by AffiliateMax View Post

        I agree, I have wasted hours on there and once I did a bit of due diligence I could find nothing worth buying - it would make more sense for me to just buy a domain and use a wordpress theme to make a decent site in a very short time, then start the real work: add quality content, build and grow the traffic and monetize the site - by which stage I would be unlikely to want to sell it.

        Look at it from a buyers point of view (ie: me) I am looking for a good domain name; age; traffic (which would mean some seo work had already been done: decent backlinks, ideally a dmoz/yahoo directory link and other good links etc); quality original content; pr; + I am looking for the potential - can I monetize the site better, can I add more content easily, can I improve the seo, etc to get a return on my investment. If a site ticks all these boxes I can and will pay good money for it - but sites like this are very far and few between.
        But I don't create sites to flip and I don't buy sites to flip - I am in it for the long term, but mostly I cannot find the sites I want so I end up creating them myself.
        I'm just curious how much would you be willing to pay for a site that meets all of your criteria above? If someone is going to go through the work to get a site like you mentioned above I would keep it myself or it would only sell it for a nice chunk of change. No way would I go through all that and let it go for $200-500 or even under a $1,000. Plus once you put that time into a site and let it age and you sell it I don't think that's really flipping anymore.
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        • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          Plus once you put that time into a site and let it age and you sell it I don't think that's really flipping anymore.
          Hi Alan,

          Yes fair comment - that's a bit beyond flipping. In fact my ideal site would be something which someone had once put some time and effort into but perhaps no longer had the time to devote to it or to to push it to the next level or other reasons. Rather than a site just created for the purpose of reselling. As for how much I would pay that varies widely - depends on the traffic and search engine rankings, income is relevant too but that's less important if I had ideas on how I could increase the income by a decent amount. Certainly more than $200-500 though, yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    So how do you site flippers keep coming up with ideas for new sites to flip.

    I notice some people choose a niche and stay there.. do you just use the same key words and have new content written?
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Jones
    You should take a good look at...

    Niche Finder


    They will send your niche ideas and keywords daily. That will give you a good start finding niches.

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  • Profile picture of the author shurets1
    Yes it worth it...
    but only if you "work" on a website to sell it for at least $1000...

    you won't be able to sell it for that much, unless it makes a minimum of $100-$200 per the last 6 months or so.

    my $0.02
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Pereira
    If you do it yourself, for brand new sites, you'll find that flipping sites is nearly always a waste of time. Writing articles, or coding custom scripts or designing unique themes... Zzzzzzz. Yes, you could use PLR, but PLR is better used elsewhere.

    If you outsource... it can turn into a pretty lucrative business. New sites are one thing, but outsourcing the development of websites to turn them from new to old can make the difference between you making $100 profit per flip and $1,000 profit per flip... for the same amount of time.

    I wrote a product a couple months ago about developing brand new sites and selling them for $100+... now, the product was decent, and people had success with it. However, the problem is people generally aren't willing to innovate. Of course if you keep doing the same thing, it's going to get saturated or go out of fashion... so you have to try new, try better things.

    I've sold brand new websites - less than a day old, with zilch traffic / revenue / subscribers for $500 - $800+. Not offline, but online. Think out of the box, think with the minds of your potential buyers... and anyone can do the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author EzyTrader
    How did you get between $500 - $800 for a brand new site?
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