Why shouldn't I buy domain names from my hosting company?

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Hello everyone,

I've just finished reading "The Warrior Manifesto" by Big Mike. I thoroughly enjoyed it and can recommend it to other newbies.

At one point Mike says that he would never buy domain names from his web hosts, nor would he host with the company that sold him domain names.

As someone who's bought some names from UK2.net with the intention of buying a hosting package from them, this concerned me.

Can anyone explain why Mike would say this? :confused:

Thanks,
John H.
#buy #company #domain #hosting #names
  • Profile picture of the author Mint-Tree
    Basically, if you decide to move host, they can held your domain hostage ... for sometimes before they're letting you off ... Try hosting at Web Hosting, Reseller Hosting, and Dedicated Website Hosting w/ cPanel - HostGator
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  • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
    Thank you, Mint Tree. I always thought that you could move your domain names to another company, so long as you paid the "admin fee"... :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    It's a bad idea to give away control over your domain name. This is exactly what you are doing when you register a domain name with your host.

    This is why many suggest Namecheap.com - Cheap domain name registration, renewal and transfers - Free SSL Certificates - Web Hosting - Free URL Forwarding, e-mail forwarding and DNS services are included with our cheap domain names registration service for domain names and then Web Hosting, Reseller Hosting, and Dedicated Website Hosting w/ cPanel - HostGator for hosting.

    Some host that offer a free domain name if you host with them do this hoping to get your business. What they do not tell you is the domain name will be registered in their name and not yours. Thus the hosting company owns the domain name, if it becomes valuable they can very well sell it and nothing you can do about it.

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Some host that offer a free domain name if you host with them do this hoping to get your business. What they do not tell you is the domain name will be registered in their name and not yours. Thus the hosting company owns the domain name, if it becomes valuable they can very well sell it and nothing you can do about it.
      Jeez, this is news to me so I'm glad that I asked. I had always assumed that the domain had to be in the same place as the hosting, so that the web address would link with the correct server space. But it seems that this doesn't have to be the case.

      BTW, I've checked my domains on "Whois" and I'm listed as the registrant and UK2.net is listed as the administrative and technical contacts.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark McClure
        John - another thing.... imagine a hosting company suddenly going belly up, and your domains are somewhere on their list of things "to get to". Not funny...

        Reminds me of the big earthquake in Kobe, Japan - some businesses who survived the quake and had premises / stock / new equipment back up again through hard work of their employees - went bust shortly after because they'd no retrievable computer backups.

        Unaffected competitors took most of their customers' business and were able to respond to orders quickly etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
          Originally Posted by Mark McClure View Post

          John - another thing.... imagine a hosting company suddenly going belly up, and your domains are somewhere on their list of things "to get to". Not funny...
          No, not funny at all.

          So, since UK2.net are a hosting company, should I move my domain names to some kind of "names only" company? :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Mark McClure View Post

          John - another thing.... imagine a hosting company suddenly going belly up, and your domains are somewhere on their list of things "to get to". Not funny...

          Reminds me of the big earthquake in Kobe, Japan - some businesses who survived the quake and had premises / stock / new equipment back up again through hard work of their employees - went bust shortly after because they'd no retrievable computer backups.

          Unaffected competitors took most of their customers' business and were able to respond to orders quickly etc.
          Hi Mark,
          No this is not funny at all ... I had it happen to me about 12 years ago.. Very popular domain name and not one single thing I could do about it.

          Then known as Network Solutions, they refused to release the domain name because the registrant was the hosting company that went out of business. According to ICANN regulations the registrant is the owner of the domain name and legally that registrant can sell the name or do whatever they want with it..

          James
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          • Profile picture of the author IMChick
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            Hi Mark,
            No this is not funny at all ... I had it happen to me about 12 years ago.. Very popular domain name and not one single thing I could do about it.

            Then known as Network Solutions, they refused to release the domain name because the registrant was the hosting company that went out of business. According to ICANN regulations the registrant is the owner of the domain name and legally that registrant can sell the name or do whatever they want with it..

            James
            I think I can certify this as a 'dumb question' but I really have to ask;

            A head scratcher for me for sure. So if I buy a domain at namecheap AND accept the whois privacy guard, how do I prove that I own it?

            How is that different than GoDaddy glomming on to everything in their TOS?
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            • Profile picture of the author davezan
              Originally Posted by IMChick View Post

              So if I buy a domain at namecheap AND accept the whois privacy guard, how do I prove that I own it?
              Ensure you're the "account holder" inside your registrar's domain account, and
              keep the domain in paid standing with your own payment details.
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  • Profile picture of the author testaccount9998
    Wow, I have never heard anything like this, are there hosting companies that don't do this?

    Someone mentioned hostgator up there.

    I use Hostmonster, and from everything they show you it sure seems like the domain is registered to me?

    Is there some place that tells which hosts do this and which do not?
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles E. White
      There used to be a whole thread on hosting companies doing this...godaddy is famous for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Rebtl View Post

      Wow, I have never heard anything like this, are there hosting companies that don't do this?

      Someone mentioned hostgator up there.

      I use Hostmonster, and from everything they show you it sure seems like the domain is registered to me?

      Is there some place that tells which hosts do this and which do not?
      Register all your domain names at namecheap.com and you do not need to worry about it ....

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Micheal Perkins
    Like Charles said, GoDaddy is one of the worst with this. I never had a problem with them, but I only 1 website with them for about 2 months. When I found out about this problem I moved it.

    I started my first website a couple of years ago with SiteSell. I thought their product was great when I first started trying to build a site. It was a little expensive, but it was a hosting package, plus training, plus their website building software all for one price.

    I decided to stop using them, and did not renew after my first year. Then it took months (because I had no clue) to figure out how to get my site back.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkR
      What they do not tell you is the domain name will be registered in their name and not yours. Thus the hosting company owns the domain name, if it becomes valuable they can very well sell it and nothing you can do about it.
      So, can a Whois search tell you who really "owns" the domain name. I have unknowingly registered my names at the hosting company I use. Is there away to tell if my hosting company really owns my names?

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

        So, can a Whois search tell you who really "owns" the domain name. I have unknowingly registered my names at the hosting company I use. Is there away to tell if my hosting company really owns my names?

        Mark
        Mark,
        Depends upon if you have whois protection on or not.. Whois protection blocks who the owner is and all his/her information. If it is not then it should list your name as the owner..

        James
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    • Profile picture of the author ScamFreeSuccess
      Originally Posted by Micheal Perkins View Post

      I started my first website a couple of years ago with SiteSell. I thought their product was great when I first started trying to build a site. It was a little expensive, but it was a hosting package, plus training, plus their website building software all for one price.

      I decided to stop using them, and did not renew after my first year. Then it took months (because I had no clue) to figure out how to get my site back.
      If you use an online site builder i.e. Site Build It (SiteSell) Website Tonight (Godaddy) if you don't plan on renewing the service make sure you have a copy of your website before it expires. It's never a bad idea to have a backup copy of your site offline when using an online builder.
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Barry Mandel
    I am moving my domain names away from GoDaddy because of this and already switched my hosting from them to HostGator.

    It's really very simple. Provide potential problems and lose your customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author therajeevkistoo
    always make sure you have your domain registered under your name and always have a local copy of your website, this is the key to success. What I personally do is buy my domains from a well known registrar and bought unlimited domains/space package with hostmonster. I have like 150 sites hosted in one package from something like less than $90 a year. I keep registration and hosting separate and a local copy as mentioned.

    All the best.

    Rajeev
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  • Profile picture of the author Micheal Perkins
    One other very important thing John. When you go to point your servers to your new host, you need to keep the servers listed with the current host for at least one day.

    The reason is when point your site to a new host, it takes up to about 24 hours for the new servers to get you site listed. So if you put your new servers in and delete the old servers right away, no one will be able to see your site for several hours.

    If you wait for about 1 day after putting your new servers in, you can go back and take the old ones out, then cancel the old hosting account. Before canceling check to see if the site is showing up on the new servers or you will have the same problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
    Thanks for that, Michael. By "servers" I'm assuming you mean the name servers, which would mean that "host" is where the HTML lives.

    Anyone think that I should move my domain names away from UK2.net to a "names only" company, now that I know that I'm recorded as the name registrar?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Hi John,

    The first domains I ever bought were with Magic-Moments and Webfusion. I also hosted my sites there.

    The problem was they were crap and the sites often went down and it was a hassle. They were bought up by other companies, about 4 times in 10 years and each time there were new tech support people and everything became even more of a hassle.

    It felt like I didn't have control. I didn't actually have access to the domain names and I was always worried in case they didn't renew them each year etc. Also they charged me about 3 times what other domain name registrars charged.

    Anyway, once I learned a bit more, I decided to move the domains over to another domain registrar. Now I use ukreg and 123-reg to buy my domains.

    Moving is quite straight forward, you just make sure you follow the instructions and make sure you put in the correct name servers at your new domain registrar.

    I have full access to choose whatever nameservers I want the domains to point at. Prices are much cheaper and I feel in control.

    If my host's performance becomes crap enough, I set up a package somewhere else (usually UnitedHosting) and just change the name servers once everything is tested properly.

    So basically I strongly advise anyone to keep separate control of their domain names away from the hosting company that you use.

    I hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Traffic101
    Thank you for this advice. It's too late for me, but next time I buy domains I will keep this in mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author danette77
    Speaking from experience, when I setup my first site many moons ago I registered my domain name through my web host it seemed logical - big mistake. When I later tried to switch hosts I had all kinds of trouble getting the domain unlocked. Now I always buy my hosting and domains with 2 separate companies. It gives you much more control.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
    Well, once I got to the control panel of my domain/hosting company's website, I realised that I've remembered my password but forgotten my username.

    I'll have to ask for my password to be re-sent and hope that I'll also be re-united with my user name.

    Failing that, I'll just sit here and punch myself in the face... :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author PatDoyle
    I learned this the hard way. From now on, I am going to keep my domains at Namecheap because they are very easy to use and to transfer domains.

    When I started, I bought both my domain names and hosting from dreamhost. Now I use hostgator for hosting, but I still have some domain names and hosting at dreamhost.

    I recently asked dreamhost what would happen if I cancel my hosting with them, how would I change the DNS on my domain names? They told me that if I did not have hosting with dreamhost, I could not change the DNS on the domain names.

    So I am going to move all my domains elsewhere as soon as I can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Bashforth
    I am also a new to the market place and this is a great question I am going to check it out thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I would go even further to say that you should buy domains directly from ICANN-Accredited Registrars rather than resellers. Because if the reseller does not pay the real Registrar, than you could be in deep trouble. This is what happened with Registerfly a few years back. For this reason, I was a bit concerned about NameCheap at first because they were reselling eNom, but now they are a real Registrar.
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  • Profile picture of the author shurets1
    It's not recommended because they will hold your domain "hostage"
    in case you wanted to shift it into another hosting company.
    This is not always, but it is happening in many cases.
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