Warning if you are buying Domains with PR - Massive Scams going on

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There are "other" webmaster forums (which name i won't mention) where there is an active market for selling and buying domains.

The vast majority (90%!) of domains offered there with high PR, like PR3-PR8 etc. are fakes.

The problem is that for the inexperienced, the fakes are not always obvious since those fake pagerank domains do indeed validate ok in all the usual sites where people check whether PR is valid.

The scheme is always the same:

Someone sells a domain which has PR3, PR4 or even higher.

The majority of domains is only several weeks old, a WHOIS search for example reveals that the domains(s) were created last December or maybe in November.
(Needless to say there is no way that a new domain only weeks old has PR4 or PR5)

None of the domains has significant backlinks in Google, most have NONE at all. (Search in open-site-explorer or backlinkwatch etc.)

The sites are sold and advertised as "with valid PR" with proof of the PR validation.

Some of the sites might also be advertised as "aged" but it doesn't matter - if a site doesn't have backlinks it cannot have PR.

98% of the people advertising the fake domains are from INDONESIA.

Technical:

The way they do the scam: They redirect their domains to some high PR authority site which gives them a "fake" PR once Google spiders the site.

Before they sell the site on the forum, they remove the redirect. The PR seems "valid" until the next spidering by Google.

If you are in business to buy domains, please do your research, WHOIS etc..check the creation date and use tools and sites to check for existing backlinks.

G.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal B
    I find this shocking... Actually I was under the impression that once the domain changes ownership it loses all (or at least the majority) of its PR.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Kal B View Post

      I find this shocking... Actually I was under the impression that once the domain changes ownership it loses all (or at least the majority) of its PR.
      No necessarily. If you happen to get a domain where you can keep or recreate the former structure, i don't think that PR should drop simply because of a new owner.

      In this case, the domains never HAD any real PR in the first place so the question is moot anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    Thanks George. I usually just check the usual PR verification sites to confirm PR but a WHOIS search will now become standard from now on. Good catch!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    Any time that you want to buy a high PR domain, make sure and check the link profile for the site in addition to the fake PR checking sites. Many pages can have temp high PR from just a link or two (or redirect) that will get pulled as soon as the deal is done.

    I would only buy domains that have a strong and varied link profile that led to the high PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Good to post that. Selling fake PR domains has gone on for a long time, on Flippa and just about any place that domains are being sold. I bought one myself before I learned about how they achieve the high PR with a redirect.

    There are various ways to check whether a domain has a fake page rank and the simplest one I use is Google’s info operator

    Just type: info:www.domain.com into the search bar in Google and if the results show a different domain name then it is probably a fake.

    This usually occurs because the domain name has been redirected to another domain with higher page rank.

    See this fake PR6 below for a domain (www.voiceofthediabetic.org) – currently on 7 day auction sale with Godaddy.com :



    Source: How to Check Fake Page Rank | Kenny Goodmans Blog
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Suzanne,

    the info: parameter doesn't work in this case either, those domains are all coming up as valid and even for a moderately experienced webmaster the domains look legit at the first glance.

    I checked plenty of those barely 3 week old domains with PR4 and PR5 myself. Other possibility is there is some kind of new exploit out there which can trick all those checks somehow.

    The best thing you can do is check whois and look at the age of the domain and use several sites to make sure there is existing links.

    On a side-note, the other scandal is that those people can free-range and sell their domains like that and don't get banned by the forum owners.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    That's odd. Another article I read said to check the Google cache and it would be the site of the high pagerank domain rather than the one being advertised. Can you check that?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Here is a typical example:

    reykjavikcentralhotel DOT com
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Here is a typical example:

      reykjavikcentralhotel DOT com
      Yep. Just checked that one and a pagerank checker says the pagerank is 5.0 and the info operator in Google returns the correct domain, so those articles are wrong or they found a way to game that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I was a member of an article directory that advertised your article would sit on a PR 3 page. I signed up and sure enough my articles were all PR 3

    about 90 to 120 days later an update took place and all of the articles were back to a pr0

    Although PR doesn't mean a lot to me, I left the directory because of the admins tactics.
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  • Profile picture of the author richjr72
    That is why I never buy a used domain.

    It's like buying a used car, you never know it's history and are taking a huge risk.

    I'd rather buy a fresh clean name and establish a solid history.

    Just my thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author watsonovedades
    You can take a lot of advantage on SEO with aged/PR domains , you just have to figure how to validate them before buying. there're some real gems out there
    just my 2 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author calvinyumi
      Originally Posted by watsonovedades View Post

      You can take a lot of advantage on SEO with aged/PR domains , you just have to figure how to validate them before buying. there're some real gems out there
      just my 2 cents
      I agree with your 2 cents buddy
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  • Profile picture of the author WFmarketer
    Ya, Whois and backlinks check must look good.
    Or else avoid it, it's most likely a scam. LIke the OP said, they switch back the referring so it looks legit now. But it's not.
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  • Profile picture of the author sevaans
    I've seen a couple like this from Pakistan. There's one web domain that I saw being sold that was supposedly 20 years old (of course it wasn't twenty years old on the whois register....).

    It is scary that this can be done. There should be some definite checker to be able to stop this, but then again, these scams are often done because the buyers are not aware of what they should be looking out for. And that is the thing that is hardest to stop.
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  • Profile picture of the author carolinesmith09
    This is quite disturbing. I should really start doing intense research before deciding on buying these domains. Thanks for the warning!
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