How do you guys file your earnings?

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I have a question, when you guys have Clickbank, Adsense, etc, when you get paid do you take out money for taxes on it right away? Or what is the process? Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    It seems like it would be best to talk with a tax professional or lawyer and just be totally honest and try to obtain any forms that are needed, if they are needed. Listen to the experts.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    I have an accountant that tells me what to do. Quarterly is best although if I think I will hit six hundred on any one thing I will alot 25 percent of it to taxes.
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  • Profile picture of the author GMD
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    Your question actually has a lot of different answers depending upon your particular circumstance.

    Clickbank and Adsense ("Google"), will, of course, pay you in full monthly. Anything you receive from them is taxable income. Usually, if you're an individual, you will receive a form at the end of the calendar year (a 1099) that will show you the total amount of income you "earned" from either ClickBank or Google.

    Come tax time, you add that amount to your income and do your taxes as normal. If you owe, you owe. If you don't, you don't.

    If you're a business, and ClickBank and Adsense are part of your income stream, you're paying taxes quarterly (to the federal government and/or your state government if your state has an income tax) based upon a "projected"' income. You pay taxes based upon your projected income and then sort out the rest come tax time when you have hard numbers to work with.

    But long story short, if you're just a regular person, you get the money in full and then you're responsible for reporting/paying the taxes on it come April 15 (or 18th or whenever the next scheduled tax day is).
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    • Profile picture of the author Absolute Logo
      Originally Posted by GMD View Post

      But long story short, if you're just a regular person, you get the money in full and then you're responsible for reporting/paying the taxes on it come April 15 (or 18th or whenever the next scheduled tax day is).
      I see, do you recommend taking money out for taxes immediately after I get paid from either Adsense or Clickbank and keep it in a safe place for when tax season comes?
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      • Profile picture of the author GMD
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        Originally Posted by Absolute Logo View Post

        I see, do you recommend taking money out for taxes immediately after I get paid from either Adsense or Clickbank and keep it in a safe place for when tax season comes?
        Well, now you're getting into the realm of what a tax professional and his/her client would be discussing. I don't know your circumstances, so I can only offer a shot in-the-dark as to what might be best for you or not.

        Let me give you an example. Let's say you have a full time job (like you're a postal clerk or something). You earn income and you pay taxes on that income (it's deducted from your check weekly). And let's say on top of that job, you earn money from Adsense and ClickBank...

        ...in that situation you're probably already going to get a tax refund of some kind. That being said, once you add your ClickBank/Adsense income to that, you might break even and get nothing from the IRS or you might owe a small amount (because taxes in advance aren't take out of your ClickBank or Adsense earnings).

        Another example: if you don't have a job of any kind and the only money you are getting right now is from Adsense/Clickbank, you might be afraid that come tax time, you will owe taxes (and you will) and you won't have the money to pay it.

        Take a look here: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040tt.pdf

        If you made $2,000 you'd owe $201 in taxes if you are single. And as you can see from the scale, the more you make, the more you owe.

        But it gets even more complicated. There might be a state income tax. There's social security tax amongst other things. This topic spirals in too many directions because everybody's situation is different.

        Listen, if you're getting some extra money in, and the way you see it is that you might not have money later to pay the tax, then yes, put some money aside (as much as 35%) just in case.

        BUT...seriously, you need professional advice. If you can't afford it, Google "free tax advice for low income people" in your area. Catholic Charities or the Salvation Army even offers free tax advice for "low income" people. Take advantage of services like this so that you can lay out what your specific situation is and the the CORRECT advice that's best for you...
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    You do not have to pay quarterly. If you project too low .. you get penalized. If you project too high .. your bad .. you take the loss.

    Not projecting and paying a very small penalty for not paying quarterly has always worked the best for me.

    Disclaimer: I am not a tax authority or consultant. I just can't figure out that new math :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Landoy
    taxes, fts
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  • Profile picture of the author Absolute Logo
    GMD Thanks for all the helpful information! I appreciate it!
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    I also have a question. Can you also deduct from your earnings your expenses? For example, your rent, your internet cost, hosting, web design, seo work etc.? So for example, if you earned $2000, but you spent $1900 on seo work etc. , so at the end your reported earnings are only $100 correct?
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

      I also have a question. Can you also deduct from your earnings your expenses? For example, your rent, your internet cost, hosting, web design, seo work etc.? So for example, if you earned $2000, but you spent $1900 on seo work etc. , so at the end your reported earnings are only $100 correct?
      And you've just outlined one of the reasons why competent, professional advice is needed. As you've outlined, there's the topic of standard deductions.

      First, right off the top the IRS let you deduct $5,800 dollars right off the top. So, if you earned $6,000 in income, you would subtract the deduction and then owe tax only $200.00. Then of course you'd make other deductions and your tax liability would end up zero.

      What you've outlined (deductions for valid expenses) the answer is yes. If you're an individual or sole proprietor, you'd use a standard 1040 (not the 1040 EZ) along with the standard and relevant deduction forms and yes, you'd list travel expenses, equipment, and so on. If you're internet use is solely for business purposes, of course you could deduct 100% of that cost as a cost of doing business. Otherwise (like a home office) you'd deduct only a percentage of the total expenses.

      But long story short, yes, you can deduct legitimate expenses and that will have you money.

      Again, I can't stress enough that each and every individual situation is different and that's why it's worth it to consult with a tax professional -- even using packaged tax filing software would be a huge step above what can be offered in a forum in the form of "advice".

      One thing that's the same for everybody:

      DOCUMENT EVERYTHING/SAVE EVERYTHING -- that means bills, 1099's, cancelled checks, bank statements, invoices: anything and everything that will prove a) what your true income was and b) what your relevant expenses were.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    Ok. One more question. Let's say I have a full time job. They already taking out taxes and at the end of the year I get my W2.
    Does IRS lets me deduct 5800 from my total earnings? So, if I made $20000 in my regular job and $2000 online which makes $22000 total so do I deduct $5800 from $22000 or from $2000? If from $22000, how do they count the taxes that I already paid? (The ones that've been taken out from my regular job) OR they just take my total income, see how much I should of paid, then decut what I already paid (in this case will be from my regular job) and then see if I still owe anything? For example, again, let's say I made $20000 on my regular job + $2000 online. My regular job deducted the total $2300 from my taxes, where I had to pay $2600 total if counting my online $2000 income, so that means I'll owe $300?
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

      Ok. One more question. Let's say I have a full time job. They already taking out taxes and at the end of the year I get my W2.
      Does IRS lets me deduct 5800 from my total earnings? So, if I made $20000 in my regular job and $2000 online which makes $22000 total so do I deduct $5800 from $22000 or from $2000? If from $22000, how do they count the taxes that I already paid? (The ones that've been taken out from my regular job) OR they just take my total income, see how much I should of paid, then decut what I already paid (in this case will be from my regular job) and then see if I still owe anything? For example, again, let's say I made $20000 on my regular job + $2000 online. My regular job deducted the total $2300 from my taxes, where I had to pay $2600 total if counting my online $2000 income, so that means I'll owe $600?
      Okay, let's say you have a full time "normal" job. You get a W2 at the end of the year listing your "normal" job income and the federal taxes taken out and that amount was $20.000.00 net.

      Then you make $2,000.00 online.

      Your TOTAL income would be $22,000.00 net.

      If you're single you can deduct $5,800 right off the top (if you're married it's 11,600 and if you have dependents it's $3,700 for each one).

      So you take $22,000 and subtract $5,800.00 = $16,200 taxable income.

      BUT of course you've paid federal taxes on your "regular" job. So that gets deducted.

      Then there's standard deductions like expenses and all that. Then there's tons of things called credits that you can apply. The most famous of which is the "EIC" or earned income tax credit which can get you more money.

      BUT KEEP IN MIND IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE. The standard 1040 works off a formula where you have to plug in different variables based upon your particular circumstances. USUALLY, when it's all worked through, you would get a tax refund of a few thousand dollars.

      In your example, even being single, you'd get a tax refund check back when it's all worked out properly in the end.

      But what I've outlined are the most basic of the basics.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    So, even though I made only $2000 online, can I deduct expenses from that? Example: web hosting, web design, seo etc.? So, basically, can I deduct my expenses from taxable income, in that case from $16k?
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

      So, even though I made only $2000 online, can I deduct expenses from that? Example: web hosting, web design, seo etc.? So, basically, can I deduct my expenses from taxable income, in that case from $16k?
      If you made $2,000 online you can USUALLY deduct your expenses from that including web hosting, cost of webdesign (if it's directly related to your business), cost for services (like SEO work done for the benefit of your business activities) and the like.

      And yes, you deduct that from your TOTAL income. It's two colums:

      INCOME (your job, your online income, investment income, etc,)

      DEDUCTIONS (expenses, taxes paid already, credits, etc.).
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  • Profile picture of the author Ramzy
    Do you guys file your taxes every 3 months or just at the end of the year for IM?
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by Ramzy View Post

      Do you guys file your taxes every 3 months or just at the end of the year for IM?
      You're question really depends on what you are.

      Are you filing as a/an:

      1. Individual
      2. Sole Proprietor
      3. Corporation
      4. Limited Liability Corporation
      5. Partnership
      6. ETC.,

      You get the idea. Some of these require quarterly tax payments, some don't.

      So the answer really depends upon how everybody has organized their IM business/IM activities.
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  • Profile picture of the author Absolute Logo
    I'm assuming individual is every year
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    GMD Thank you, I have better understanding now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    It really depends on how your business is setup. Under certain circumstances you can setup payroll for yourself meaning all the required taxes are withheld from your paycheck each time and you pay the IRS each month. This way you take out the taxes as you go and don't get hit with a huge amount possibly at the end of the year.

    This is just one option...
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  • Profile picture of the author leeson01
    Hello, new member leeson here. There is a whole world out there of information & mis-information about entity structure and taxes. There are several types of corporations ( S, C, P, non profit, etc...) all of which require a considerable amount of documentation and paperwork to be legal. I doubt you're looking at non-profit and probably not qualified for a "P", so the 2 most often used are "S" & "C".

    Both have shareholders, directors and officers. Shareholders are the owners of the company and elect the board of directors, who in turn oversee and direct corporation affairs and decision-making but are not responsible for day-to-day operations. The directors elect the officers to manage daily business affairs.

    S corporations. S corps are pass-through tax entities. They file an informational federal return (Form 1120S), but no income tax is paid at the corporate level. The profits/losses of the business are instead “passed-through” the business and reported on the owners’ personal tax returns. Any tax due is paid at the individual level by the owners.

    C corporations. C corps are separately taxable entities. They file a corporate tax return (Form 1120) and pay taxes at the corporate level.

    Now, most folks would say...." why be a C corp ? now you pay double taxation, corporate tax and payroll tax .." Those are the un-informed. Let me ask you all this, what is Apple a "C" or an "S" ? And Microsoft ? and Ford ? and GM ? and IBM ? and so on....They are ALL "C" corporations. So, ask yourself this question, if ALL those corporations ( and all you can think of) are "C" corporations, are they all stupid ? Do they not understand ?

    The tax code ( deductions) for personal taxes ( "S" corporations) is the size of a comic book ( rightfully so). The tax code book(s) for "C" corporations are the size of several New York area code phone books.

    But really, what I use, and recommend, is a LLC. Same "C" corp deductions ( if you choose the "C: corp tax option), better liability protection ( if you know what state to form in) and less paperwork.

    Any questions ?
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    So, can I just file as Individual? Or Self-Employed?
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

      So, can I just file as Individual? Or Self-Employed?
      There's really no difference between "individual" or "self-employed".

      Let's say you only make money online: you file as an individual even though you're "self-employed". By definition, if you are your own employer, you're "self-employed".

      If you've registered as a "sole proprietor" you still file your taxes as an individual.

      If you have a day job AND you're a sole proprietor, you still file as an individual. Even if you are "self-employed" ALL of your income is included together: the gas station job, the internet marketing, even cutting grass on the side.

      The only time you wouldn't do this is if say, you had a regular job and you also filed for a corporate status (you have a corporation on paper), or you had a limited liability company, or a partnership, then you would file one set of returns as an individual (your personal income) and then another set of returns for your corporate income (your corporation's income -- this is so because under the law, a corporation is actually a separate entity, it's given the same status as a person).
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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
        I file on the personal level as a sole-proprietor. I set aside part of my earnings throughout the year, but I don't pay taxes until the end of the year. I'm not sure why anyone would pay sooner - shouldn't you earn interest on that money for as long as you can?
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  • Profile picture of the author Absolute Logo
    Im not an expert but after reading things here I think you can just do Individual and as additional income?
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by Absolute Logo View Post

      Im not an expert but after reading things here I think you can just do Individual and as additional income?
      It's pretty easy to get confused by all the terms and all the various forms that one can do "business".

      Absolute Logo: if you're just a guy with a regular job and making online income on the side, then yes, you don't need to go to a tax professional to tell you that you file your taxes as an "individual".

      Right about now, you should have gotten your W2 form in (or multiple forms if you've had more than one employer for the last tax year, 2011). You should have received 1099 forms as well -- those are forms sent you by say, ClickBank, Commission Junction, or any other entity where you've earned other sources of income besides your normal day job. Remember, there's roughly 14 different kinds of 1099 form! You'll probably get one terms the "1099-MISC" (for miscellaneous income).

      Then, as an individual, you put your W2(s) in a pile along with your 1099(s) and add all that up -- there's your yearly (2011) income.

      Then you take your 1040 form (not the "EZ" form if you've had income from other sources) and simply follow the instructions.

      Or you can purchase tax preparation software that would guide you along. This, of course costs money -- but a lot of people don't realize that you can actually deduct the price of this software as a cost of doing business.

      Or, lastly, you can file your taxes online using the IRS' "Freefile" system:

      Free File: Do Your Federal Taxes for Free

      It's free and it doesn't give you much room to screw up!
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  • Profile picture of the author writeronfire
    Like everyone's said above, your situation may be different!

    This was my second year filing completely as an IC or independent contractor. If you don't have a registered business, you can just say you're the sole proprietor (that's what I choose).

    I don't take the money out right away, your taxes (if you're in the US) actually won't be THAT bad. I was really scared the first year, but this year was a breeze. This is what you CAN deduct, as far as I know:

    PART of your rent; know the square footage of your apartment or home, and know how much of that sqft'age is dedicated to your home office. Know how much you're paying every month in rent, average out your utilities (they're deductible, woo!), any home owners insurance/apartment insurance you may have. You'll get partial deductions for these and they really help.

    Buy new computers and equipment this year (2011) that you're using PRIMARILY for business? Get any software or memberships for your business? Gather up your receipts; if you don't know the exact amount try to round it. You can't take off the entire amount, but it will help ease your tax suffering. Always keep receipts!

    Internet? Cell phone? You can deduct these too, yay!

    Paypal and merchants fees? You can deduct these too, but make sure you know the exact amounts you're paying. I paid an insane amount of Paypal fees this year; you can deduct these as "other business expenses", make sure you know the exact amounts!

    Many of the places that had you fill out a 1099 form when you started working with them, if you did they should send you a form back within the first week of February. You have until April to pay your tax bill if it's large, and you can always file for an extension.

    Don't let taxes scare you away You may have other deductions you can take, if you're confused you should head to a tax preparer and have them help you out. Better safe than sorry right?
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    • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
      See and this is where it gets confusing. Everyone has always told me that if you are a sole proprietor that you only file taxes annually. So my thinking was always that unless you are registered as an S-corp or have an LLC...something along those lines, then those are the only situations where you file quarterly.

      The IRS website is SO confusing, because they say things like "this is true...well, not exactly...well sometimes....well you should do it"..

      It seems that even if you made like $1,500 selling stuff on eBay that you technically must file quarterly.

      If you work a typical job, then taxes are taken out of your paycheck to cover quarterly...but what the heck do you do if it's just you?
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  • Profile picture of the author sfdomain
    Go to live in UAE -- there are no taxes on personal income.
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by sfdomain View Post

      Go to live in UAE -- there are no taxes on personal income.
      Why go so far when you can stay in the good 'ol U.S. of A?

      American states with no income tax:

      Alaska
      Florida
      Nevada
      New Hampshire
      South Dakota
      Texas
      Tennessee
      Washington (THE STATE!)
      Wyoming
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      • Profile picture of the author Absolute Logo
        Originally Posted by GMD View Post

        Why go so far when you can stay in the good 'ol U.S. of A?

        American states with no income tax:

        Alaska
        Florida
        Nevada
        New Hampshire
        South Dakota
        Texas
        Tennessee
        Washington (THE STATE!)
        Wyoming
        Haha I am embarrassed to say I never even thought of that! Haha!
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      • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
        Originally Posted by GMD View Post

        Why go so far when you can stay in the good 'ol U.S. of A?

        American states with no income tax:

        Alaska
        Florida
        Nevada
        New Hampshire
        South Dakota
        Texas
        Tennessee
        Washington (THE STATE!)
        Wyoming
        But this only refers to STATE income taxes, right? You'd still be liable to FEDERAL income taxes PLUS state income taxes of your home state if only your business entity (in the case of a Corp) is based in one of those states yet YOU live in another that charges income taxes. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Absolute Logo
    GMD You have some awesome information! Thanks. And as for living in the UAE sfdomain, I think I have to pass on that! haha
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  • Profile picture of the author nelspetty924
    Thanks GMA for the great advice, im from Phil, we dont have that kind to taxes but if ever it will come like that aslong as our goverment increase there performance and improve our country it is ok to me..
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Ray
    It works best for me, to pay my taxes quarterly. I don't have anything withheld from anyone...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
    I am so confused after reading about US business structure set ups and tax implications. I am a non-US citizen, based outside of the USA, but I am considering setting up an LLC or Corp in the US - as my country's tax rates and social contributions are a major disincentive PLUS I prefer to be paid straight into a USD bank account.

    Many of the incorporation sites on the Internet make it sound so easy to not be paying any income taxes, but even if someone is actually physically based in say NV, they surely will still be liable to pay income taxes on a federal level, right? If not, does that mean a one-person shareholder of a NV C-Corp will actually NOT lodge a tax return to the IRS? But if they do, would that only show a salary they draw each month as an employee from this (their own) Corp, so that federal income tax is due plus FICA (15.3%)? So the remaining revenue stays inside the Corp, not taxed since there is no corp. income tax in NV? And do the IRS rules of non-distributed profits apply to NV (or DE or WY) based Corps, where it says if the profits are not distributed, they will be taxed at an extra tax rate (close to 40%)?

    Perhaps as a non-US person it's difficult to get to grips with the concept of state based tax jurisdictions that are so vastly different from Federal tax enforcement.

    So, why would people choose a "pass-through" taxation (under an S-Corp or LLC) if all profits are taxed at personal income tax rates PLUS they are subject to self-employment tax (or FICA contributions)?

    On the other hand, under a C-Corp the profits "taxed at corporate tax rates" ... --> what does that mean exactly in NV? As they don't actually charge this? But if YOU as the sole shareholder of your own C-Corp live in another state that does tax corporate profits...as far as I understand, you are required to register your "foreign" NV based Corp in your "home state" and then the very Corp profits ARE taxable. SO WHAT's the point of having a business set up in any of those "tax havens"?

    I understand in Corp, you have the additional advantage of being able to deduct your own salary as a business expense, but with regard to the remaining profits that are retained in the Corp ... even in a "no income" state, will they not be taxed at a Federal level? And if you live in another state, eventually you will need to distribute them to yourself, in the form of dividends...and again, taxed at your personal income tax rate.

    What am I missing?

    I'd like to understand this from both a pure US resident perspective, but I'm also interested in learning what US tax obligations/implications there are for a non-US citizen living outside of the USA but with an LLC or Corp in the US!
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