A personal Pet Peeve I have with the Warrior Forum

18 replies
I am writing this because I am so sick of reading countless numbers of threads that have the "how to make $XX,XXX in XX days" or "how I am going to make $XX in XX days with this plan".

I am writing this not because it is impossible but because it cheapens all the hard work that most of the warriors who do make money online for a living and gives the impression to new warriors that "making it" is as easy as doing a couple steps.

Here is my list:

1. If you are starting without a budget, set reasonable goals- Sorry, capital means everything. You can't expect to make thousands of dollars in a couple months if you have no budget. The smarter option would be to build up things in increments and than allot part of what you make into a budget to build it up quicker.

A more reasonable expectation would be to make a couple hundred bucks in a couple months if you start with nothing....it isn't sexy but it is more manageable

2. If you don't know much about the internet (how to build a website, how to optimize a website, how to create a/b split tests, ect), you are going to have to learn eventually....or pay someone else premium dollars to do it for you-Run far away from sales pages that advise otherwise (ie. no website and NO money required!)

3. If you don't know how to market, you will need to educate yourself don't call yourself an internet marketer if you don't know how to test and track your results...if you don't understand how to utilize white space..if you don't know how to target your market..ect...Educate yourself...immerse yourself in reading from the greats...learn how the master's (which happen to be direct mail advertisers) write ad copy.

4. Focus on your strengths Bum marketing is not for you if you can't write. I know a lot of people here make it sound like anyone can do it, in reality it just isn't the case. That is not to say that just because you can't write, there is no place for you though. Maybe you have a great voice (voice over work)....maybe you have a knack for website design or logo design...the point here is to focus on your strengths.

5. Building anything worthwhile takes time If you don't believe me, ask Steven Wagerheim how long it took him to make what he makes now. Same things go with building profitable websites or membership sites. Same thing goes with writing ebooks, building a following, getting ranked in the SERPS for targeted keywords.

6. Even if you do KNOW these things, nothing is a slam dunk I have failed more times than I have succeeded. I have had to go through the ropes of following people who claimed to know something and have gotten derailed into thinking that this "new thing" would be worth more than what I was doing. I have built sites that I just knew was going to make me rich only to watch it being a money pit in spite of my efforts. I would imagine that my failures are no different than most of the senior warriors here. It happens. Get over it and move on.

I hate to sound so negative but because internet marketing and make money online niche has such a low barrier of entry (you don't need an education to become one), there seems to be this assumption that anyone can do it even if you don't have the skills to facilitate the things that need to get done It simply isn't as easy as that.

I know a lot of senior members who read this will automatically think I am one of those naysayers or trolls that like to dash the dreams of new internet marketers. I don't. I just think that all of these posts that make these bold claims aren't being very realistic or fair to those who are just starting out.

You aren't going to get rich in a couple months if you are starting with $0 and are unknown. In fact, chances are you are going to be holding onto your day job a little longer than you think. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong
#forum #peeve #personal #pet #warrior
  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Originally Posted by Ldimilo View Post

    5. Building anything worthwhile takes time If you don't believe me, ask Steven Wagerheim how long it took him to make what he makes now. Same things go with building profitable websites or membership sites. Same thing goes with writing ebooks, building a following, getting ranked in the SERPS for targeted keywords.
    Yeah, but if Steve Wagenheim had half the brains of a head of cabbage, it
    wouldn't have taken him so long.

    The truth is, it doesn't have to take forever and a day to build a substantial
    income online. No, it won't happen by sitting on your butt and pressing a
    few buttons, but with the right niche, the right product, a little capital
    and a lot of outsourcing if you can't do things yourself, it is absolutely
    possible to build a substantial income in a relatively short period of time.

    Oh if I only knew then (2003) what I know now.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490379].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Ldimilo
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      but with the right niche, the right product, a little capital
      and a lot of outsourcing if you can't do things yourself, it is absolutely
      possible to build a substantial income in a relatively short period of time.
      You realize that those are some pretty serious variables for someone new to the IM world to manage, right?

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Oh if I only knew then (2003) what I know now.
      Right, I agree. I think about the what if's all the time. But hindsight is 20/20 and most new IMers have to get hoodwinked once or twice (or in some cases, several times)before the path becomes a little clearer.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490534].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Banned
        Originally Posted by Ldimilo View Post

        You realize that those are some pretty serious variables for someone new to the IM world to manage, right?



        Right, I agree. I think about the what if's all the time. But hindsight is 20/20 and most new IMers have to get hoodwinked once or twice (or in some cases, several times)before the path becomes a little clearer.
        True.

        My advice is to: 1) Ask for advice and guidance so you know what you're doing. 2) Take things one day at a time. And 3) Enjoy the process of learning.

        No point making everything seem difficult. People will realize that by themselves and the serious people will keep going. You know I think it's probably better that people don't know absolutely every single obstacle and challenge they must overcome and let them figure out things for themselves - one step at a time.

        Most of the important things I've accomplished in my life took longer and were more difficult than I imagined. But when I was struggling and if someone were to say: "By the way you're actually miles away and it's even more difficult than you think..." it wouldn't have been productive. Perhaps that's just the way I learn though?

        I like Jack Canfield's analogy of looking at progress as driving an automobile at night. You only have to see a few feet in front of you at a time.

        So keep trucking on.
        Signature
        "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491079].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    That's some good advice..

    And you are right that not everyone can do it, there simply are some people that will NEVER do it.

    BUT.

    Here's why I think those type of threads/thoughts/plans have their place...

    If they help just one single person in each group to do what they have the ability to do in the shortest time possible.. then they are worth it.

    Not everything has to take time, if I was earning as little as Steve after that same time frame.. I'd have given up by now.. no offence intended Steve.. it's not a business model I could go for..In fact, I don't think it's a business model at all.. but that's just my opinion.

    Again.. I have to say.. that really is some good advice in your post, but not because of why you are giving it, and not all of it I agree with, but because some of it is good advice.

    If I would have settled on the strengths(very few at the time) I had when I was churning out 20 hour days in my fathers business.. I'd still be his slave right now...

    Instead..

    I'm doing ME.. and it's damn good!!

    Peace

    Jay
    Signature

    Bare Murkage.........

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490397].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Ldimilo
    Man, this is off topic Jay, but I really love your writing style.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490438].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Banned
    Originally Posted by Ldimilo View Post

    I am writing this because I am so sick of reading countless numbers of threads that have the "how to make ,XXX in XX days" or "how I am going to make in XX days with this plan".
    I think those threads are awesome. (Not including the ones that are advertising.) Because I've learned a lot from reading them. I think it's amazing that people are willing to spend a good amount of time putting together something of a road map for people to follow. And I have the utmost respect for them. I also like seeing people set challenging goals for themselves and all the wonderful support they receive. Those are two of the reasons why I think this is an exceptional community. No offence but I don't see the point of the negativity in your post. You can have included the same good advice with a more positive spin and had more people taking notice.
    Signature
    "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490544].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ArthurRose
    Banned
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490634].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      I came in here with my boxing gloves because I thought you were dissing the WF. Seems like another case of misleading subject line. Is your peeve with the forum, or the small handful of posters who get your goat.

      I agree, but I just ignore those claims. Because, yes you do have to put in effort and build something.
      Signature
      Kevin Riley, long-time Warrior living in Osaka, Japan

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490793].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Banned
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        I agree, but I just ignore those claims. Because, yes you do have to put in effort and build something.
        Definitely not. I just read the following thread and learned a lot from it. "5-Step Blueprint For 1,000 Opt-Ins A Day." Granted that's regarding opt in subscribers but I've seen many valuable posts using similar headlines when referring to income.

        And I don't see any point lumping in good, honest people's advice with people who are advertising. That's how the OP comes across to me. Perhaps I misunderstood it?

        Even so it's good to remind people that building an online business takes time, effort, and money. I'm all for teaching people that. Perhaps I'm just not a fan of the negative slant. I see a lot of people doing that and I don't understand it. *Shrug*
        Signature
        "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490988].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Ldimilo
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        I came in here with my boxing gloves because I thought you were dissing the WF. Seems like another case of misleading subject line. Is your peeve with the forum, or the small handful of posters who get your goat.

        I agree, but I just ignore those claims. Because, yes you do have to put in effort and build something.

        Oops...sorry about the misleading subject line...I just couldn't think of a way to phrase it.

        As for making money, I am not implying that it can't be done....I am just saying that there are a lot of people that seem to think that Internet Marketing in general is easy...it really isn't.

        Take into account what most people begin with just starting out, knowledge wise.....

        And people without a little capital will find it much harder to gain the big break because they have very little in experience and no leverage to work with.

        In other words, if you start with $0 and wind up $100 richer at the end of the month, you should be happy. After all, you started with nothing. However, most would feel a little more than frustrated because of what they are expecting.

        That is my experience at least.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491433].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Whitrod
    Thanks Steve for your contribution as well
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490955].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    I don't think it's unrealistic to make a large amount of money in a short amount of time. It just bothers me when people try to say that it can be done in an unrealistic way.

    If I own a car lot I can make a few thousand dollars in a very short amount of time but if I am a total newbie with absolutely no experience or leverage of any kind it would certainly take more time to build some starting capital and anyone that thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

    That's the real problem here. Not so much the "The Dream Sellers" but more about the "Dreamers".
    The amount of denial and delusions of grandeur that people bring in here is astounding.

    Believing that you can make anything for doing absolutely nothing is absurd.

    You know the old saying "work smart, not hard", well it still has the word work in there.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[490957].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    I will agree.. I have been online a very long time and I started out with a little knowledge and almost no money. It took me 4 years to get out of debt and be able to be debt free and work online full time.

    Nothing comes easy and it does take time and effort and in many cases money.

    James
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491025].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    There is a place for such threads and for people who like to read of such success. Personally I pick and choose which ones I read and respond to and I do get peeved off sometimes with outrageous claims but isn't this a democracy.

    Norma
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491032].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Jay Deiboldt
    Originally Posted by Ldimilo View Post

    You can't expect to make thousands of dollars in a couple months if you have no budget.
    This is simply not true. If by 'no budget you mean like true $0 it would be tougher, but if you have $8 for a domain and $.99 for your first month at hostgator, there are many different ways you can make thousands without spending more money.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491086].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by Jay Deiboldt View Post

      This is simply not true. If by 'no budget you mean like true $0 it would be tougher, but if you have $8 for a domain and $.99 for your first month at hostgator, there are many different ways you can make thousands without spending more money.
      Hey if you guys are looking for proof of what Jay is saying why don't you call him up and ask him because he did it....

      But he did have one thing you cannot buy that you definitely need if you want to succeed at any level...... The will to just move forward with speed and get the job done - no excuses!

      There are so many people who cry more than my 2 year old. They cry about how hard it is to make money online. The fact is, in most cases you are you're own worst enemy. Quit making excuses or dumb posts and get the job done!

      Just trying to kick all your butts into high gear because for the most part a lot of people are lazy and I can say that with 100% conviction because I see it first hand with some people I mentor and I really have to get mad at them and sometimes offend them before they wake up.

      Mike Hill

      PS. The ones whom I offend later come back and thank me for it
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491183].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author admin
    Administrator
    I think starting with no budget is better :-)

    Actually, far better...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491200].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by admin View Post

      I think starting with no budget is better :-)

      Actually, far better...
      Well one thing is for sure, with no budget you'll be forced to learn everything as you go which in the long run is not a bad idea at all.

      I had to do that when I started. I didn't have the money, actually I had the money but back then I was a little too scared to spend money online.

      Definitely not the case nowadays

      Mike Hill
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491229].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author raynman
      Originally Posted by admin View Post

      I think starting with no budget is better :-)

      Actually, far better...
      I have no budget. It is forcing me to learn to everything. I would love to outsource work but I have no capital to work with and no ability to get any at the moment. It is taking me a long time to figure things out. Buying a domain name, getting a hosting account, and installing my first WP theme has taken me about 3 weeks to do. Now I wasn't struggling with it the whole time, I have had a lot of writing assignments to do that have distracted me/put food on my table.

      The past few days I have had my table clean and have been able to work on getting everything right. I have learned so much and now I am so excited about the next phase. I have a lot of pride in what I'm doing not because it is earning me a lot of money (it isn't, btw.). The pride comes from the fact that I have taken on this challenge and I can see things coming into place. I am building my own empire and I am doing it myself. I have had a lot of advice and tips given but still....it's mine.

      Starting from zero makes me appreciate everything more and will also enable me to help others wanting to do the same thing. It isn't happening overnight, but over many nights where I stay up until 3:30am and then wake up again at 7:30 to try and figure out what so many in here do with ease.

      The truth is, though, had it not been for those ridiculous claims of being able to earn 5 figures in a few days I would never have looked this direction. It caught my attention. My eyes had a chance to focus so that I can see what it really is all about and what is truly going on and even though it is different than what I first saw I am still enthralled.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491509].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Easy Cash
    This would have to be the best ever thread I have read here at the Warrior Forum......

    Yes - all the sales pitch

    'make money in 2 minutes'

    and

    'this is how I made 40K by scratching my a#se'

    is the biggest load of bulldust I have ever read..........

    WELL SAID !!!!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[491552].message }}

Trending Topics