Cash cow smoking pot, on crack, going wild!

[4morereferrals]

heck - maybe I'm being too negative here. I just got off the phone with my son's teacher, and I'm in a bad mood LOL

Is she not smarter than a 5th grader?

[Kay King]

The difference is, I DO have sites #1 on google, I DO build lists and make money from my aweber autoresponder, I DO use ppc for my own profitable campaigns, I can show people in google analytics the extra traffic driven to a local site when I posted relevant content to craigslist or youtube (and how many converted to leads), I can show them actual results from split testing.

Good paragraph!


Roger -

We'll know when the stampede is thinning out. Look for a thread

The Death of Bountiful Bovine Bucks....

kay

[JohnMcCabe]

Lots of good stuff here, but I haven't seen anyone tackle these yet:

You ever notice in almost every one of these threads someone will ask a question like "Cool, can you give me a link to the website" which is always followed by....

"I don't think the business owner would like that"

and

And if these offline superstars are selling a "how to" guide online then they should be posting copies of their checks, client websites, etc.

I can give you a few very good reasons why I wouldn't post client websites on a forum like this one.

> I don't want my clients autoresponder clogged up with wannabe Warriors who sign up just to rip of the autoresponder messages. It skews the results of any tracking, inflating the response and depressing the conversion.

That's the big one. Others?

> If they're on an Aweber account, or we have a per-email arrangement, padding their list with non-prospects artificially inflates their costs with no possibility of return.

> I don't want my client coming back to me complaining that their cousin just found another site exactly like theirs. Then, when I check it out, I find it IS theirs. Complete with my tell-tales still embedded.

> I don't want a hundred wannabes calling my clients and offering to undercut my prices.

Of course, I'm not selling a report or coaching program, either.

If a bona fide prospect wants to see a site, I'll give them a sample site complete with sample AR series. (And no, I won't post it here. See my reasons above.) If they want a reference, and I have permission, I'll share that.

I'll help other Warriors as much as I can. You can check the other 'Cash Cow' and 'Offline Gold' threads for yourself. What I won't do is jeopardize the relationships I've developed.

As far as posting copies of checks, fuhgeddaboutit! The number my client and I agree on is nobody's business but ours.

[JohnSpangler]

That was the whole point to my original Jobless Dad thread to let folks know that if they got off their backend and stopped reading the forums and actually took action they could generate a "real" business.

I am reading this thread where the direction has shifted a few times, to me the point is that if you are able to back up your claims this gives proof & hope to someone that yes you really can make a career offline using online strategies.

Since we are online we believe everyone else has the same skills and ideas as we do which isn't the case from first hand experience because I am meeting with local businesses every week.

To say if you are successful offline then stay offline, I am not understanding the logic because if you are having success and you can teach another person to be successful, they go out and build a business using proven success strategies then you accomplish several goals.

1. You are giving back and contributing so that someone else may benefit.

2. You give the tips and techniques to people who share these strategies with the businesses who then use them and they benefit from using these tips no matter how simple they may be ie checking website traffic, setting up an autoresponder etc.

3. When the businesses are successful using these strategies they get to employ more people so we get to potentially put people to work.

4. These businesses are still being solicited every day, I went into a business to meet with the owner who was just ending a meeting with the local yellow page guy who wanted to charge him $250 for a guarantee of 100 clicks to their website a month ( I asked the owner if he knew where the hits were coming from, how long did they stay on the page, what pages did they visit, do you capture email addresses ) how does he know some kid isn't backing there just clicking away?

5. I get to add personally another revenue stream by educating someone on what I am doing, I waited until I had a number of clients and deals before stating anything because for all I knew my success could have been a fluke, now almost 40 clients and 6months later this isn't a fluke and the business is only getting bigger.

These same threads that people are reading that say here goes another xxx, helped give me the knowledge and inspiration to get off my own backend and put into practice exactly what I am doing so maybe someone reading these words may say hey-if John or Andrew or whomever is doing this then I can to and for all I know that may give someone hope or that jolt to start them on their own career path.

Remember electricity can be both deadly and life saving depending how it's used, the same with knowledge from my experiences.

You never know who may be reading these threads or when they may be reading them and being a marketing/information forum we have an obligation to not only take from this forum but to contribute as well.

Thanks,
John

[nextebizguy]

Tracking with Steve, aka GrimReaper (TM), I saw this today:

A Super Bowl rental scam? New Port Richey man says he wants his money back

A New Port Richey man who spent $1,200 on a Web site advertising houses to rent for the Super Bowl didn't get a single call and now wonders whether he was scammed, Tampabays10 reports.

Kevin Swain's 1,800-square-foot Zack Drive home is about a half-hour from Raymond James Stadium, with three bedrooms, two bathrooms, a pool and a screened-in lanai. Hoping to cash in on the big game, Swain advertised his house on floridasuperbowlrental.com, one of 230 Tampa Bay area homes he says were posted on the site.

Swain says he was promised his money back if he didn't rent his house. But when the phone never rang, he requested a refund five days before the game.

He's still waiting.

Hope this isn't a newly minted offline crazy cash cow loving Warrior ... 1,200 for web page listing your home is a nice offline gig but it appears the iron-clad guarantee isn't working out.

edit -- 230 homes * 1200 dollars = 276,000 !

[jasonl70]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Is she not smarter than a 5th grader?

LOL.. my son is actualy in 5th grade - I spent a couple seconds actually trying to figure out if you knew me

[Jagged]

Offline marketing is just one more branch of marketing, like copywriting or adsense or seo, which have their own place in the WF. With the populatrity of offline, which does have its rewards when done correctly....maybe it's high time offline marketing got it's own forum place here, instead of constantly taking up 1/4 of the main discussion forum. I don't see it going away anytime soon....if one's inclined to post progress, or ask questions, it can be one in its own separate offline forum area.
This has been brought up by others a few times before...might be time to look deeper into this option...

Just a thought...

Ken

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by jasonl70

LOL.. my son is actualy in 5th grade - I spent a couple seconds actually trying to figure out if you knew me

Hahaha - too funny Jason - total kohinky-dink my friend.

[Karen Blundell]

Originally Posted by The IM Reporter

No kidding...that is EXACTLY why I came in here.....thought there was some new strain of buds that came out....Damn

okay, I have now officially choked on my coffee! thank you so much for that laugh!


seriously, I take a lot of posts with a huge grain of salt precisely for exactly what Shannon is referring to.

[GoGetta]

John McCabe,

I agree with you on that one. I wouldn't show any of my client sites. I run extensive traffic reporting and merely posting an example in apost would send my reports through the roof. Plus my sites would just be ripped off hindering potentially my results and clients trust!

GoGetta

[4morereferrals]

4. These businesses are still being solicited every day, I went into a business to meet with the owner who was just ending a meeting with the local yellow page guy who wanted to charge him $250 for a guarantee of 100 clicks to their website a month ( I asked the owner if he knew where the hits were coming from, how long did they stay on the page, what pages did they visit, do you capture email addresses ) how does he know some kid isn't backing there just clicking away?

And what happens if they dont get the 100 hits? WTF good are 100 "hits" if they arent helping the owner of the site "capture" ... something? Hits ... LOL

Ok so as a former sucker who paid those rat bass tards $800 a month for 12 months and had no way out of their contract ... for a #1 position for Mercury Insurance in Orange County on the yellowpages directory.

Wanna know how many trackable prospects we talked to about insurance off that expense? 1 ... freakin 1 ... Sending money to those yelowpage tools is like lighting fire to a stack of Ben Franklins ...

Hurry and save the guy!

[IMChick]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Thanks for the niche Alan ... Im getting my WSO ready!

"You Can Cover Your eBook, and Cover Your Report, but Who's gunna cover your OFFLINE Butt when the lawsuits start rollin in!"

Hey, how do I get an affiliate link as an attorney in your WSO? I have recognized the pain the clients are in, and by hiring me, you have an instant solution to make it all better!

Wooh, boy, give it about 3 months and let's see what the sloppy offline-ers are posting...It's still all about them (the business clients) but I guess this message got lost somewhere in the feeding frenzy.

[jan roos]

Well, I have to agree that some people (excluding David, Andrew, Shaun and some of the real pro's) are trying to milk the offline niche to sell products online. I call BS on that. There are a lot of us who really want to make this offline thing work and having good threads on this topic helps us out a lot. So to those of you who don't like the cash cow threads, don't read it and move on. There are plenty of us who aren't trying to sell a product in our sig line and just want to learn this business model for real.

Cheers

[jnapier]

After buying a few of the offline products - I decided NOT to buy anymore. 1 was Very Good - the rest were junk. Some were priced so high I wouldn't take the risk.

I'll have to admit that I've been burned by some of these Offline products, but there ARE some that have provided a great value.

After years of business in the travel niche, I've moved into the Offline niche for fun...and contribution. When I meet with a business owner I'm looking to give A ton of value. I want to leave them with ideas they can use.....not ideas I can help them use.

Now, we know that most business owners are too busy working In their business to work On their business - so all of them won't take the time to post ads on Craigslist, but some will.

The business owners I've been working with come in many variety. Most are very concerned about the economy and are not spending alot of money on "new" ideas.

Your not going to find GOLD in every business owner you speak with so you MUST know who to call on and who've not worth your time....this have been a HUGE value to me. You also need to know where to market as well.

John Spanglers Jobless Dad WSO has been the best value to me. I gave me some key information to help me quickly get appointments. Because of it's value and because John has WAY OVER DELIVERED on my initial investment, I've invested in his Coaching program.

When people get value from you - they'll invest more with you. It's been great being able to goto different forums to gain more knowledge, but at the end of the day you've GOT to make phone calls...I wouldn't waste the extral dollars on postage and you get a view of the business owner. YOU don't know what's going on in a business with a mailing piece.

Jay NaPier

[Alan Petersen]

My previous post was directed to the "fake it till you make it" folks who are trying to ride the offline gold/cash cow coattails to sell their "method" online without any interest in the offline biz. Not at the real deal folks.

There are several forums dedicated to the offline business model why not post that stuff there since most of us here are interested in making money online--Not being door-to-door salespeople. I mean we get it. It's "easy" to make money offline by selling our IM skills. Like Roberto Duran would say: No Mas!

Hey Roger, I got a perfect one..."Cash Cow Assassin"! Then "The Death of the Offline Gold Cash Cow". Andrew and David should have trademarked those terms.

[AndrewCavanagh]

Originally Posted by jan roos

Well, I have to agree that some people (excluding David, Andrew, Shaun and some of the real pro's) are trying to milk the offline niche to sell products online. I call BS on that. There are a lot of us who really want to make this offline thing work and having good threads on this topic helps us out a lot. So to those of you who don't like the cash cow threads, don't read it and move on. There are plenty of us who aren't trying to sell a product in our sig line and just want to learn this business model for real.

Cheers

Jan I remember when you were just getting started.

You've come a long way in a relatively short time.

You should be proud of the effort you've put in.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

[Jagged]

Originally Posted by jan roos

There are a lot of us who really want to make this offline thing work and having good threads on this topic helps us out a lot. So to those of you who don't like the cash cow threads, don't read it and move on. There are plenty of us who aren't trying to sell a product in our sig line and just want to learn this business model for real.

True, well said Jan....there are many who have what it takes to succeed offline, and will...just like any phase of internet marketing, there are the "tire kickers", who will fade away in due time, it's definately not for everyone. But the serious ones...ones who take the time to invest in themselves with knowledge can and will do very well for themselves.

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

My previous post was directed to the "fake it till you make it" folks who are trying to ride the offline gold/cash cow coattails to sell their "method" online without any interest in the offline biz. Not at the real deal folks.

There are several forums dedicated to the offline business model why not post that stuff there since most of us here are interested in making money online--Not being door-to-door salespeople. I mean we get it. It's "easy" to make money offline by selling our IM skills.

It's quite evident, by the 90% + failure rate that internet marketers in general are "fake it till you make it folks" who ride the coattails of others....not just offliners. I understand what your trying to say, but it sheds a bad light on those of us who are trying to make this work.

As far as going to other forums, I for one dont want other forums...the WF is THE FORUM!! ....why should offliners feel like they do not have a home here?
It's been said before...If you are sick of offline threads, or do not participate in offline...then why are you reading them and posting comments against them?
Offline marketing is not going anywhere. More the reason for offline to have it's own forum space here, separate from the main discussion forum, where ones can post, share experiences and techniques without the nay-sayers chiming in.

Ken

[Alan Petersen]

Originally Posted by Jagged

True, well said Jan....there are many who have what it takes to succeed offline, and will...just like any phase of internet marketing, there are the "tire kickers", who will fade away in due time, it's definately not for everyone. But the serious ones...ones who take the time to invest in themselves with knowledge can and will do very well for themselves.



It's quite evident, by the 90% + failure rate that internet marketers in general are "fake it till you make it folks" who ride the coattails of others....not just offliners. I understand what your trying to say, but it sheds a bad light on those of us who are trying to make this work.

As far as going to other forums, I for one dont want other forums...the WF is THE FORUM!! ....why should offliners feel like they do not have a home here?
It's been said before...If you are sick of offline threads, or do not participate in offline...then why are you reading them and posting comments against them?
Offline marketing is not going anywhere. More the reason for offline to have it's own forum space here, separate from the main discussion forum, where ones can post, share experiences and techniques without the nay-sayers chiming in.

Ken

Fair enough. I do stay out of them now but how could I resist a subject line: "Cash cow smoking pot, on crack, going wild".

[Shannon Herod]

Fair enough. I do stay out of them now but how could I resist a subject line: "Cash cow smoking pot, on crack, going wild".

The post was actually meant to be facetious.

To be completely honest with you I did not think it would last.

I thought for sure it would get waxed within a couple of minutes.

Regards,

Shannon

[ExRat]

Hi Jan/Ken/Alan,

I'm all for anyone who can make something out of nothing, or something more out of just something.

Apologies if I didn't express this properly. You go for it....

[kf]

Kay, Didn't you mean ...

'Bereft' of Bountiful Bovine Bucks

Originally Posted by Kay King

The Death of Bountiful Bovine Bucks....

kay

[Andrei Rotariu]

Originally Posted by Shannon Herod

So, I started an off-line business and thought I would tell all of you how I did.

I ended up making $17 billion in about two days.

What did I do? I went from business-to-business and told them I was a genius.

I then showed them a number one listing in Google.(it is not even mine)

I told him I would get them to the number one position for their keyword for only 17 bazillion dollars.

Every person I spoke to told me how smart I was and gave me all of their money.

It was cool watching them talking about how much of a God I am.

The funny thing about it is I do not even know how to run a business.

I've never even got a site to the top of Google. How I do that? Can I outsourse it?

Everyone should try this it is so easy to scam and rip off local businesses.

Then, once you make all that money just come to the forum and post a cash cow thread.

Then you put a link in your signature to even make more money.

Make sure you sell a product about making money online. It doesn't matter if you've never made money online before. Just act like you know what you're talking about.

It works really really well.

Regards,

The overly sarcastic - Shannon


Okay, this is where the serious posts starts.

We have seen thread after thread about how easy it is to make money off line. And I would agree that it is very easy. But, I think people are getting the wrong idea. People are looking at how much money they can make off-line.

That should not be the focus. If you are going to go off-line your focus should be on how you can help other businesses. Not about how much money you can make off of them.

Yes, you can go off-line and start making money, but if you are not doing that business any good you are not going to continue to make money. Plus, you are doing that business a disservice. Why? Because you are taking hard-earned cash of theirs and not giving any results.

If you do not know how to market online, do not go and charge a person or business to market their business online.

They may not know the difference now, but when they do not get results they will.

I'm not saying that you should not start an off-line business, I'm just saying you need to learn how to market online first.

Then, you can go and start making money off line.

I have read that most newbies can go and market their services off-line? What? Are you serious.

If you are so new that you can not even make money online what makes you think you can advise a business how they can make money online.

That is just the silliest thing I've ever heard.

I really have not said anything because people are so gung ho about this.

But, as I see more and more of these threads pop up it just is getting under my skin.

If you do not know how to run your own business, Do not go out and sell your services to another business.

You are just going to waste their money and hurt them more than you are going help them.

Regards,

The very serious - Shannon

My Point exactly dude. Nothing gets under my skin more that newbies promoting "Make Money Online" stuff and yet they are here crying for help.

[ExRat]

Hi,

Wow. If you look at the post history of people who start a thread with 'cash cow' in the title, you can see that some of them are starting multiple threads per day, asking about certain aspects of the cash cow and putting cash cow in the title of the thread.

No wonder the main forum looks like it's a cash cow forum.

[garycashin]

John Spangler

You are an inspiration thank you for motivating me!!!

[roddaut]

I'm a member of Andrew Cavangh's OfflineBiz website and I can say that what he talks about is simple but easy to overlook.

All you do is ask the business owner questions, find out what you can do to help and tell them how you can help.

It's really that easy and that hard.

Rodney

Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh

This is stunningly simple and brilliant advice.

I'm constantly asked "what ideas should I suggest to this xxx business?"

My answer is always "find out what they want then suggest ideas based around what you know you can do already or you know you can outsource already".

It's really hard to make good money when you keep jumping from one idea to the next and never develop any hardcore specialized skill.

On the other hand once you do develop some real skill making money gets a whole lot easier.

Which one do you hire when you're having trouble with the starter motor on your car...

A highly skilled, highly experienced auto electrician or...

Someone who's read a lot of different car manuals.

Obvious really.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

[Magic Johnson]

Originally Posted by Pete Egeler

I don't have time to sit around and "photograph my checks" just so you'll believe me. I've got a bank account for my business, and that's where my payments go.

Really don't care if you believe me or not, or if you're feeling all "warm & fuzzy" about the success stories you're reading. The bottom line is, folks like me ARE getting the clients, we ARE banking the money, and we ARE doing the job for our clients that we agreed to do. (That does NOT include promising the number one position on Google!)

You either work the business and deliver, or you don't get any more business.

Pete

MONEY MONEY $$$$$$ MONEY DOLLAR SIGNS HUGE CHECKS MONEY I MAKE MONEY...

This is a large part of the board, some really think its only about banking a check. It annoying to hear, when some really try to help businesses and really knows how to grow businesses. (And Have the proof to back it up and show clients)

No you don't have to show the checks, but couldnt you show a website you've made, I would bet my left pinky most of offline golders are throwing up some wordpress theme, then they leave their client hanging.

[Russ Reynolds]

Hey Andrew and all...just seeing this thread now.

I was likely one of the first to rip off the Offline Gold name and didn't really think about it until I saw this thread.

As of now, I will stop using the Offline Gold name and leave it to you (can you trademark it?).

To the OP..it would be better sometimes if people used names so that we know who you are referring to.

Cheers all, let's go make some money...

Russ

PS - I do make money offline regularly but I still enjoy getting online and helping others do the same..

[locke]

Its extremely funny to me when i see someone who claims to be a millionaire via internet marketing trying to sell some internet marketing tutorial video series or ebook collection... It simply doesn't make sense, if you have already made it why do you need to sell me this junk? The fact of the matter is that even proof doesn't really cut it nowadays, if you have found a strategy that works why spend your time trying to sell junk about IM to other people (i.e. that is the strategy lol)...