Any weakness in this money making plan, $2,400/mo from 900 MFA pages?

21 replies
Hi everyone,

Someone may have done this or something similar. I will do this as my second project.

My first project is a micro niche with exact match domain (EMD), 1,000 words followed by 4 updates 250 words. It is based on Wordpress, I am including all SEO related plug-ins. I will do a few manual quality backlinking per day, using scrapebox. Will monitor the traffic. I am putting amazon, clickbank, adsense to monitize it. It is just to get my hand dirty.

My second project, I called it project#2 : $2,400/mo from 900 [high quality-human readable] Made for Adsense (MFA) pages. Please share your thought and experience, any weakness, any gaps, any potential improvement that you can think....,any suggestions or advices?


Overview,
This project aims to build 900 pages in one domain e.g. heathyfoodsomething.com, each page consists of 600 words. Daily, 30 pages will be updated, but only 10%-20% of each page. This website will be monetized using Adsense. The income of this website will be limited/capped to $80 per day.


Tools/investments
- a hostgator baby plan, $6.36 per month (may be cheaper using my affiliate)
- a virtual private server (VPS), about $80 per month
- a program/software (tool A) on hostgator to spitout a Wordpress like website (PHP/MySQL)
- a program/software (tool B) on VPS to update the data on hostgator (Java and Google Search: JSON/Atom Custom Search AP, max 100 queries per day)

The project creation stage will run for 30 days. Followed by maintenance stage daily, from DAY 31st onward.

Pick a broad niche, for example 'Healthy Food', from this nice create 30 sub niche, then create 30 micro niche for each sub niche. So we have 30 x 30 = 900 micro niches, for example healty_food_goji_berry_benefit. The page will be hxxp://healthyfoodsomething.com/goji_berry/goji_berry_benefit.html. Initially generate 10,000 micro niches, about 5,000 - 30,000 global search per month.


DAY 1,
tool B picks 30 random niches from the pool of 10,000 niches, do 3 website scrapings to generate contents for one page.
At the end of the day tool B complete 30 pages, 3 scrapings for each page = 30x3=90, still below Google limit, 100 for free search.
Summarized contents from other websites with proper reference also ensure it is unique (have to pass copyscape), human readable, have the right LSI keywords ratio.
Update MySQL database on hostgator, so tool A can spit out 30 new pages for this website, all pages should pass basic online SEO rules.
Register to search engine, using all traffic generation methods from trafficgrab.com that are relevant with this project (some actionable details need to be added here).

Add a few adsenses in every page, about 3 to 5.

DAY 2.
the same as day one, 30 more random niches converted to 30 pages

...
DAY 30, all 900 pages are done.

DAY 31,
sort all pages by average earning per 15 days, for the first 450 pages. Select 15 pages with lowest earning.
replace these 15 pages with new 15 pages from the pool of 10,000 micro niches. That is, we want to drop unprofitable keywords.
The rest of 450-15 = 435 pages, stay in the queue to be updated. 30 oldest pages from the 435 pages in the queue are updated.
That is tool B run one website scraping to update one page of 30 oldest pages.

At the end of DAY 31,
- 15 worst performed pages are replaced
- 30 oldest pages are updated.

DAY 32 onward are the same as DAY31.
Generate more niches when the pool of 10,000 micro niches are all used.

Safety measure to avoid manual review: tool A automatically turning off adsense when accumulated earning for the day is more/equals to $80.


In summary,
This plan is about creating a review/informational website with 900 pages, 30 pages are updated daily, 15 pages are replaced daily.
All contents are unique, human readable, SEO compliance (e.g. LSI, keyword ratio, etc..)
This is my plan to get $2,400 per month, if I used 2 adsense accounts, I can get $4,800 per month (minus the monthly expenses), close enough to $5,000.

That is IF this plan works. Even if it does not work as planned, by the end of this project I will learn alot.

I estimate 30 days full time works for me to implement everything. I may have to outsource some tedious backlinking works.


Questions for you:
Any gaps in this plan?
Do you know if anyone have done this and fail/success?
General comments or suggestions are also appreciated...

Many thanks for sharing your thought.


Andrew
#400 or mo #900 #making #mfa #money #pages #plan #weakness
  • Profile picture of the author lukedidit
    I don't really know what to say. It may well work and make you some money and good for you if it does, but your not bringing any value to the table.

    Perhaps you don't have too be concerned about this, there are no rules to a degree on the internet, but I got to be honest. If I am sincerley searching for advice on a matter then I hope Google is smart enough to not present me with your regurgitated, scraped and spun content which is ripped off from someone else's work.

    I just hope I don't share an IP with your site on hostgator.

    Sorry if that sounds harsh, but you asked what we thought.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5538678].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author andrew2000
      Originally Posted by lukedidit View Post

      I don't really know what to say. It may well work and make you some money and good for you if it does, but your not bringing any value to the table.

      Perhaps you don't have too be concerned about this, there are no rules to a degree on the internet, but I got to be honest. If I am sincerley searching for advice on a matter then I hope Google is smart enough to not present me with your regurgitated, scraped and spun content which is ripped off from someone else's work.

      I just hope I don't share an IP with your site on hostgator.

      Sorry if that sounds harsh, but you asked what we thought.
      Yes, I am asking everyone thought, so I can get a grasp how this will affect others, That is why I asked for everyone thought. It is still a plan. It is probably legal, but not ethical.

      Well, if google know, my adsense will be banned. I read, many people says, adsense is too high risk, probably due to something like this.

      your regurgitated, scraped and spun content which is ripped off from someone else's work
      What about if I replaced this with
      "your summarise content, paraphrase from someone else's work with a proper reference"

      Will this be fine ethically?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5538812].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author lukedidit
        Originally Posted by andrew2000 View Post

        Yes, I am asking everyone thought, so I can get a grasp how this will affect others, That is why I asked for everyone thought. It is still a plan.
        It is probably legal, but not ethical.

        Well, if google know, my adsense will be banned. I read, many people says, adsense is too high risk, probably due to something like this.
        That's cool, you sound like you have some good skills there.

        Some other points to be helpful.

        Don't use analytics's (well at least Googles).

        Keep a very low key as big G will hammer you if they discover what you are doing.

        If you have an Eng background in AI and you can code there are some pretty awesome apps you could develop? Have you ever thought of that?
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5538851].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author andrew2000
          Originally Posted by lukedidit View Post

          That's cool, you sound like you have some good skills there.

          Some other points to be helpful.

          Don't use analytics's (well at least Googles).

          Keep a very low key as big G will hammer you if they discover what you are doing.

          If you have an Eng background in AI and you can code there are some pretty awesome apps you could develop? Have you ever thought of that?
          Yes, it is one of AI application. I did about 7 years research in AI when I was lecturing at university. So I could develop application to summarize content with a proper reference. I guess this will be fine ethically, as it goes beyond spinning and scraping.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5538895].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author CombatMode
    Plan sounds solid enough . What would you be doing to generate traffic to your adsense website. Good content is just not enough you see.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5538939].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author andrew2000
      Originally Posted by BTBAMBB27 View Post

      Plan sounds solid enough . What would you be doing to generate traffic to your adsense website. Good content is just not enough you see.
      To generate traffic, I will need to learn from trafficgrab.com. The challenge is, how to scale it up to 900 pages without doing black hat, e.g. spamming forums.

      I can't see how I scale it up, 10 pages I can do it manually or outsource it.
      But 900 pages of adsense, will not be profitable to outsource it. Need to think, how to automate this without spamming.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5539037].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      You can't have multiple adsense accounts under google's terms. Scraped and spun content will cause you grief eventually.

      In your post you say

      high quality human readable
      human readable
      almost human readable

      That makes no sense when you know google wants good content and the purpose of a website is "human readable". The excuse "artificial intelligence" doesn't make sense as what you proposed is a scraped site - nothing intelligent about it.

      You've clearly given this a lot of thought - but you have no experience and have earned nothing online so far (that's from your blog).

      What you haven't considered is reading adsense terms (you can't have multiple accounts) or planning a purpose for the site if your adsense account is banned (which could happen with this type of site).

      There is little google dislikes more than an obviously "MFA" site. Might work, might work for a while, might not work at all.

      It's your plan and your risk - but I don't understand linking to this thread in your signature.
      Signature
      Saving one dog will not change the world - but the world changes forever for that one dog
      ***
      Please do not 'release balloons' for celebrations. The balloons and trailing ribbons entangle birds and kill wildlife and livestock that think the balloons are food.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5539161].message }}
      • It doesn't excite me at all but you do have enviable planning skills.

        fLufF
        --
        Signature
        Fiverr is looking for freelance writers for its blog. Details here.
        Love microjobs? Work when you want and get paid in cash the same day!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5539927].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author JForsberg
          I'm not sure I got to understand all of it. That's a lack on my site. However, I'm not sure how you're going to fetch up 10.000 micro niches, when, honestly, 4-6 decent niches can do just as well. On the 10k part, how are you going to have 10.000 pages/subdomain and so on, on one domain? Okay can perhaps be done, but it's gonna be a hell to get around in. Just a note on the url_word_word part, use (-) instead of (_) Why? Not sure tbh, read it on an SEO forum earlier today

          On another note, why lock the income at 80$? If you got fewer niches with more searches, you got - first of, less work to do, secondly you don't have to worry where to link those thousands of different links. It's just too big of a mouthful to me. And probably you too.

          At a last note, I like you got a plan. My plan is a bit off. It's something like this:
          Find a program you like and got potential plus proven status - check.
          Get a website and promote it - check
          Get traffic - working on it
          Fix SEO - working on it

          Hardly as detailed.
          If you got my mail, you can see I wrote that a few niches would do.
          Some guy, and you can have his blog if you like, moved south this year. He got 4-5 primarily niches, some lesser with hardly any notable income, and a webshop with his father. Point is, before he removed the tabel, he showed that at one month, on GoViral/AdSense, he made ~2.600$. On a few niches, where he most likely outsourced all the articles anyway. The blog is in Danish so you most likely won't benefit much of it anyway.
          Signature

          Rocking a new project at Kan Leve Uden, focusing on everything for a lovely night.

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5541429].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author andrew2000
        You can't have multiple adsense accounts under google's terms. Scraped and spun content will cause you grief eventually.

        In your post you say

        high quality human readable
        human readable
        almost human readable
        ...

        It's your plan and your risk .
        It doesn't excite me at all but you do have enviable planning skills.
        It is my brother's and my adsense. That is why I can only scale it up to 2 adsenses.

        Thanks for your thought, it seems most of the comments are negative as it involves scraping other people contents. Which is not considered ethical, what an ironic that Google also scraped other people contents and people such as Rupert Murdoch is not happy (ref: Rupert Murdoch ready to sue Google?)

        I am thinking to change this plan to a less risky plan, which does not involve adsense:
        - using this website as my keywords testing platform, if I found a good keywords, I will create a new website with human created contents.
        - or change this to a review website, similar to snapsort.com, it is also based on using data scraped by Google.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5541441].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author SamuelUherek
    Hope you share with us how it goes. And about my thoughts... I would do this. This isn't my style and I believe that you can make more money if you provide value. By value I mean interaction, quality content... It might work, but I don't think it's good way to go.

    Like Luke said, I hope, I won't visit your site.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5539082].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author andrew2000
      Originally Posted by SamuelUherek View Post

      Hope you share with us how it goes. And about my thoughts... I would do this. This isn't my style and I believe that you can make more money if you provide value. By value I mean interaction, quality content... It might work, but I don't think it's good way to go.

      Like Luke said, I hope, I won't visit your site.
      Thanks for your thought, this is just my project#2 in IM, I just need to get my hand dirty.

      Well, I believe there is value added, for example the AI could understand
      whether it is a positive article or neutral or negative article. It definitely not cut and paste then spin. It can understand the meaning of the article then summarise it in a few sentences.

      For example, you are looking for Goji berry.

      Article no 1 says, positive, supporting Goji berry. Ref: hxxp://blah
      more summary here

      Article no 2 says, negative, not supporting the benefit of Goji berry
      Ref: hxxp//blah2. more summary here.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5539156].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I believe your expectations from Google Adsense revenue are way high.

    I have bigger sites with more quality content and traffic than you are talking about creating for your site, yet I am making tons less from them, than you are expecting to make from yours.
    Signature
    Bill Platt, Oklahoma USA, PlattPublishing.com
    Publish Coloring Books for Profit (WSOTD 7-30-2015)
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5541466].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    The plan is weak on SEO, getting ranked, and then analyzing low performing pages.

    For example, page 431 could be making you $0.00. So you drop it.

    But that is because did not do adequate SEO for the page and so it did not rank and get traffic.

    If you had done just some SEO, and had been patient, the page would have risen to the top 5 in Google and made you $5 per day.

    .
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5541498].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author andrew2000
      I believe your expectations from Google Adsense revenue are way high. I have bigger sites with more quality content and traffic than you are talking about creating for your site, yet I am making tons less from them, than you are expecting to make from yours.
      I was expecting $0.1 per page per day , so for 900 pages would be $90 per day for the whole 900 pages
      But that is because did not do adequate SEO for the page and so it did not rank and get traffic. If you had done just some SEO, and had been patient, the page would have risen to the top 5 in Google and made you $5 per day.
      Very good point, I will need to standardise the off-line SEO, so all pages got the same SEO treatments. I will need to learn from trafficgrab.com
      On the 10k part, how are you going to have 10.000 pages/subdomain and so on, on one domain? Okay can perhaps be done, but it's gonna be a hell to get around in. Just a note on the url_word_word part, use (-) instead of (_) Why? Not sure tbh, read it on an SEO forum earlier today
      It is just e.g something.com/mysub_page/my_micro_niche, so they are just folders on the linux harddrive
      On another note, why lock the income at 80$? If you got fewer niches with more searches, you got - first of, less work to do, secondly you don't have to worry where to link those thousands of different links. It's just too big of a mouthful to me. And probably you too.
      Just to stay below manual review limit
      At a last note, I like you got a plan. My plan is a bit off. It's something like this: Find a program you like and got potential plus proven status - check. Get a website and promote it - check Get traffic - working on it Fix SEO - working on it
      Good plan, similar to my project #1
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5544042].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    without reading...it;s just too hard to manage. Why not create a product. ONE and run that. You could make $10k+ on that alone.

    With I.M. and small stay at home biz in general everyone has it drummed in "multiple strems of income" Well I.M.H.O. that = Multiple streams of stress.
    Signature

    15 Minute Forex Bar Trading System Free at
    http://www.fxscalpingmethod.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5544247].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author andrew2000
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      without reading...it;s just too hard to manage. Why not create a product. ONE and run that. You could make $10k+ on that alone.
      With one month experience in IM, I am not that confident to create a product yet. This is just project #2.

      Project #3 will PPC and CPA network. I will create my own product eventually..... may be Project #7.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5550241].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by andrew2000 View Post

    My first project is a micro niche with exact match domain (EMD), containing useful information people who spend money in this niche want to know.
    Fixed that for you.

    Stop counting words. I do not search for websites with over 1,000 words and at least 200 of them written within the past week. Neither does anyone else. Don't measure anything that doesn't matter.

    This project aims to build 900 pages in one domain e.g. heathyfoodsomething.com, each page consists of 600 words.
    Stop measuring things that don't matter.

    - a virtual private server (VPS), about $80 per month
    Contact Christian Little here on the Warrior Forum, who will give you a much better server than most hosts for slightly over half that.

    Safety measure to avoid manual review
    If you are trying to avoid manual review, you think you will fail such a review. But your site will be manually reviewed by every human being that comes to it and potentially clicks ads. It is only a matter of time before someone reports your failure to Google and someone else that actually matters reviews your site. Then you will fail the review and probably lose your AdSense account. Instead of trying to avoid manual review, invest effort in an ability to pass said review.

    Any gaps in this plan?
    You do not have any risk assessment for what might go wrong and what you are going to do about it.

    I am also in agreement with Bill Platt about this: you are expecting an awful lot per page. My daily AdSense income per page was around $0.005, so even if you do ten times as well as I did, you'll still miss your income goal by half. That isn't terrible - just keep going for another month - but if you do about what I did, you'll need twenty times as many sites. Are you prepared to consider the possibility of a 20,000 page workload?

    As far as whether your plan will work in theory, I don't have enough information about EXACTLY what your content looks like to make a solid determination... but it looks like a "no." I'll be very surprised if you get a "yes," but that is indeed possible, and if it's as automated as you represent here - you need to be thinking RIGHT NOW about how you are going to pack this up and sell it as a product.

    You're chasing the Holy Grail of internet marketing. You will almost certainly not find it, but if you REALLY believe you are going to find it, start planning for the multimillion dollar launch you can make when you do.
    Signature
    "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5550497].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    The curse of I.M. strikes again.

    With one month experience in IM, I am not that confident to create a product yet. This is just project #2.

    Project #3 will PPC and CPA network. I will create my own product eventually..... may be Project #7.
    Signature

    15 Minute Forex Bar Trading System Free at
    http://www.fxscalpingmethod.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5550669].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    While I think you have great planing skills, I don't think this is a good long term plan.

    The thing is that its getting harder and harder to get traffic to those types of MFA sites so you are fighting an uphill battle.

    As Bill mentioned above, you are probably overestimating your adsense earnings.

    As Kindsvater touched upon above, with that many sites, you will be missing out on huge opportunities to analyze your incoming traffic and take the necessary steps to push those page up in the rankings.

    Also, its not going to be easy to keep the momentum going on all those sites, to keep your earnings steady or gaining.

    You might find that doing just 1 or 2 sites that actually have real value will afford you an opportunity to leverage your back linking efforts and actually grow your earnings . Having high quality valuable sites makes getting back links from authority sites a lot easier. A website with a couple of unique articles on it is not a high quality site.

    You're chasing the Holy Grail of internet marketing. You will almost certainly not find it, but if you REALLY believe you are going to find it, start planning for the multimillion dollar launch you can make when you do.
    Yes, I agree ^^^^^^

    Lee
    Signature
    Gone Fishing
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5550754].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author andrew2000
      You're chasing the Holy Grail of internet marketing. You will almost certainly not find it, but if you REALLY believe you are going to find it, start planning for the multimillion dollar launch you can make when you do.
      Yes, haha, the Holy Grail, here is the updated version, to fit with the Holy Grail label.

      I just summarise my plan for project#2b (updated version)
      - building 900 pages of micro niche keywords monetized by Adsense
      - the keywords are expanded using Latent Semantic Indexing (LSI) technique, that is all related keywords are generated
      - the scraping tool scrape content of relevant websites, including PDFs, based on the expanded keywords
      - using an automatic summarization engine: a new content is automatically generated from the expanded keywords and scraped results
      - the content should pass manual reviews, that is a human should not be able to tell this is automatically generated contents by an automatic summarization engine
      - each page has a unique article that passed copyscape, the content should useful/helpful information for the reader
      - each page should follow basic on-line SEO guideline
      - each page should also get the same (minimum, 3 to 4) white-hat off-line SEO, e.g. manual backlinks from relevant website
      - unprofitable micro niches are dropped, replaced by new niches, so the number of page stay at 900, to limit the server load
      - monitor the earning, keep it low, so it is not noticeable.

      Feedback from warriors:
      - people thought this is just another spinner scraping [stealing] their contents
      - risk that the adsense account can be banned by Google
      - the page is dropped because lack of off-line SEO treatment to get more traffic
      - a holy grail? probably, the research is this area is progressing, however I cannot find any implementation in IM world yet. Some references related to this area is below, will dig more journal papers later.

      Exit strategies:
      A. create a startup company then sell it to Google (I wish)
      B. use a prototype to apply for a two year contract job at Google
      C. create a WSO, sell it as a product
      D. create a company then beat Google (I am dreaming)
      E. build a massive website, summarize the whole internet, deindexed by Google, doesn't matter, it is already too big (another dream)
      F. create many isolated small niche websites, removed all footprints that can linked them, automatically summarized contents on each niches, monetized them using affiliates/CPA networks, need to use different CPA networks (this seems better than exit strategy C, if the product is working, why do we sell it?)

      Note:

      the automatic summarization engine will need to be implemented in a few milestones, from a preliminary version which will not pass manual review to the advanced version which should pass manual review.


      Research in Automatic_summarization
      Automatic summarization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Hercules, Dalianis (2003). Porting and evaluation of automatic summarization.
      Roxana, Angheluta (2002). The Use of Topic Segmentation for Automatic Summarization.
      Anne, Buist (2004). Automatic Summarization of Meeting Data: A Feasibility Study.
      Annie, Louis (2009). Performance Confidence Estimation for Automatic Summarization.
      Elena, Lloret and Manuel, Palomar (2009). Challenging Issues of Automatic Summarization: Relevance Detection and Quality-based Evaluation.
      Andrew, Goldberg (2007). Automatic Summarization.
      Endres-Niggemeyer, Brigitte (1998). Summarizing Information. ISBN 3-540-63735-4.
      Marcu, Daniel (2000). The Theory and Practice of Discourse Parsing and Summarization. ISBN 0-262-13372-5.
      Mani, Inderjeet (2001). Automatic Summarization. ISBN 1-58811-060-5.
      Huff, Jason (2010). AutoSummarize. [2], Conceptual artwork using automatic summarization software in Microsoft Word 2008.
      Lehmam, Abderrafih (2010). Essential summarizer: innovative automatic text summarization software in twenty languages. [3], Published in: Proceeding RIAO '10 Adaptivity, Personalization and Fusion of Heterogeneous Information LE CENTRE DE HAUTES ETUDES INTERNATIONALES D'INFORMATIQUE DOCUMENTAIRE Paris, France, France ©2010
      Contact Christian Little here on the Warrior Forum, who will give you a much better server than most hosts for slightly over half that.
      Thanks for the info

      The curse of I.M. strikes again.
      Somehow I become addictive to IM. This forum is really helpful for me to brainstorm my idea/plan before I start work on it.

      You might find that doing just 1 or 2 sites that actually have real value will afford you an opportunity to leverage your back linking efforts and actually grow your earnings .
      Having high quality valuable sites makes getting back links from authority sites a lot easier. A website with a couple of unique articles on it is not a high quality site.
      Thanks for the suggestion, yes, I am working on one site now, a EMD where I have expertise on this area, just focus on one.
      Getting some legit EDU links, from ex-colleagues.


      Again, many thanks for your thoughts, it help me to refine the planning for my project#2, whether it is feasible.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5550850].message }}

Trending Topics