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15 years ago

Good advice Brian.

For some reason the method you described seems to be more desirable for discussion here sometimes to offering internet marketing services to business clients.

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Jassim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

One final thought: if you see a WSO check out the seller. If they have a lot of WSOs, but no websites selling their products to the public, it probably means their "WSOs" are not Warrior Special Offers at all. They may be using the forum to make a quick buck. More like, Warrior Gullible Offers.

That's true. Many people coming to this forum only to post some WSO & get some quick bucks. But they don't understand the real value of being member of this forum.

This place is like a gold mine. If, anyone genuine & contributes to the forum will hit gold for sure.

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Trader54

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

One final thought: if you see a WSO check out the seller. If they have a lot of WSOs, but no websites selling their products to the public, it probably means their "WSOs" are not Warrior Special Offers at all. They may be using the forum to make a quick buck. More like, Warrior Gullible Offers.

Do you have proof?

Or just a wild assumption.

I have never had a WSO, but have purchased some where the
seller didn't have a website and yet the product was good.

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Suthan M

15 years ago

Not necessarily that people need to have websites to make money online. Just not true.

p/s- Just trying to be devil's advocate here, in case nobody stands up and tells this as it is. And becouse its fun :-P

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George Wright

15 years ago

Brian,

Great legal advice. The WSO part, true in some cases not in all.

I've used your eBook with the disclaimers and other ligal lingo for years. It's great.

George Wright

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DotComBum 15 years ago

There will be always some blackhat marketers among us :p
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Tsnyder

15 years ago

Trader 54 and Asianlunatic...

Brian's point about having WSO's but no website selling
their products to the public is valid.

The point of a WSO isn't to be someone's sole source
of income... it's supposed to be just what the name implies...
a special offer available to Warriors at a price lower than
than where that product is sold to the general public.

If they don't have a website offering that product to the
general public their motivation is obvious... and their offer
isn't a special for Warriors only.

I wouldn't buy a WSO from anyone who wasn't also offering
it to the general public. They are violating both the spirit of the
forum and the long stated-rules for WSO's.

Tsnyder

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Trader54

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

Trader 54 and Asianlunatic...

Brian's point about having WSO's but no website selling
their products to the public is valid.

The point of a WSO isn't to be someone's sole source
of income... it's supposed to be just what the name implies...
a special offer available to Warriors at a price lower than
than where that product is sold to the general public.

If they don't have a website offering that product to the
general public their motivation is obvious... and their offer
isn't a special for Warriors only.

I wouldn't buy a WSO from anyone who wasn't also offering
it to the general public. They are violating both the spirit of the
forum and the long stated-rules for WSO's.

Tsnyder

Having not done one myself I don't really know the rules
or bothered with them so your probably right as far as the
rules go.

I was referring more to his quote "More like, Warrior Gullible Offers".

I have purchased some good products and there was no
website selling the product.

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edlewis

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

Trader 54 and Asianlunatic...

Brian's point about having WSO's but no website selling
their products to the public is valid.

The point of a WSO isn't to be someone's sole source
of income... it's supposed to be just what the name implies...
a special offer available to Warriors at a price lower than
than where that product is sold to the general public.

If they don't have a website offering that product to the
general public their motivation is obvious... and their offer
isn't a special for Warriors only.

I wouldn't buy a WSO from anyone who wasn't also offering
it to the general public. They are violating both the spirit of the
forum and the long stated-rules for WSO's.

Tsnyder

Well, I disagree here.

Fact of the matter is there are many Warriors who are actually "down in the trenches" putting out quality WSO's with real-life information they KNOW works because they (gasp!) actually use it on a daily basis.

Personally, I'm more suspicious of the guy firing out new products every 2 or 3 weeks.

As for the whole idea that - "The point of a WSO isn't to be someone's sole source
of income..." - then WHY did Allen have a big sticky thread in the old forum talking about 6-figure businesses that were built simply thru the WSO Forum.

Quit trying to demonize those who sell mainly in the WSO Forum. Some of them are "down & dirty" affiliate marketers who are "in the trenches everyday", if they write a small report about a tactic relating to affiliate marketing, then where better to sell it then the WSO Forum?

There aren't many places to target other serious affiliate marketers....this happens to be one of them.

Ed

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Tsnyder

15 years ago

Originally Posted by edlewis

As for the whole idea that - "The point of a WSO isn't to be someone's sole source
of income..." - then WHY did Allen have a big sticky thread in the old forum talking about 6-figure businesses that were built simply thru the WSO Forum.

Ed

I don't know Ed... but I do know that if you read the current WSO
rules you'll find this...

"2. A Warrior Special Offer Means The Price You Give Must Be Better Than The Price The Public At Large Can Get. (This is not a "buy my product" forum, it is a "Special Offer" forum)"

It's kinda hard to give Warriors a price better than the public at
large when you aren't offering it to the public at large...

Tsnyder

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Paul Buckley

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

I don't know Ed... but I do know that if you read the current WSO
rules you'll find this...

"2. A Warrior Special Offer Means The Price You Give Must Be Better Than The Price The Public At Large Can Get. (This is not a "buy my product" forum, it is a "Special Offer" forum)"

It's kinda hard to give Warriors a price better than the public at
large when you aren't offering it to the public at large...

Tsnyder

That's a great point. If we enforced that rule a little more we'd thin out the WSO hawkers quite a bit. There's no doubt in my mind that the majority of offers in the WSO board are products never intended to be offered to the public.

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edlewis

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

I don't know Ed... but I do know that if you read the current WSO
rules you'll find this...

"2. A Warrior Special Offer Means The Price You Give Must Be Better Than The Price The Public At Large Can Get. (This is not a "buy my product" forum, it is a "Special Offer" forum)"

It's kinda hard to give Warriors a price better than the public at
large when you aren't offering it to the public at large...

Tsnyder

Well....that rule hasn't changed in a long time and yet we still have WSO's that run that only run in the WSO Forum. That speaks for itself.

On top of that, one could argue that if a product is NOT available to the public, but only available to WSO buyers then it is, in fact, a special offer.

If a product isn't available to the public, then the simple act of making it available makes it a price better than the public can get.

All I'm saying is that if think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a good idea, or even a remotely new one, then I think you're mistaken.

Ed

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by edlewis

Well....that rule hasn't changed in a long time and yet we still have WSO's that run that only run in the WSO Forum. That speaks for itself.

On top of that, one could argue that if a product is NOT available to the public, but only available to WSO buyers then it is, in fact, a special offer.

If a product isn't available to the public, then the simple act of making it available makes it a price better than the public can get.

All I'm saying is that if think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a good idea, or even a remotely new one, then I think you're mistaken.

Ed

I agree with Ed.

If you go by the "letter" of the rule, then all offers in the WSO should have a public offer.

On the other hand, if we go by the spirit/intent of the rule, then creating an WSO that's exclusive to Warriors would also be OK.

One example would be with PLR content. If it is only offered as a WSO, that's beneficial in itself, as it lowers the possible number of other owners.

The intent/spirit is to give Warriors a good deal, better than they can find elsewhere (except to one's own customers/lists/memberships). If they can't find it "elsewhere", that means the WSO meets the spirit of the rule, IMO.

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Paul Buckley

15 years ago

It's been about three years, I think, since the last time I ran a WSO. I don't do much in the IM niche, primarily marketing online services to offline businesses, and that seems to be the primary focus of the WSO sub-forum.

The WSO section over the last year or so has become a huge dog fight of relatively unknown Warriors scrapping for nickels and dimes from gullible newbies. It used to be, primarily, well established Warriors offering real value. It would take about a week for an offer to slowly sink to page two. Nowadays, an offer is on page two moments after it appears, or so it seems.

The WSO forum used to be part of my daily reading. These days I rarely visit it unless a known Warrior refers to his/her WSO in his sig.

The new WSO rules have resulted in a plethora of forum spammers just trying to get their post count up enough to qualify to run WSO's.

My suggestion to avoid WSO scams and garbage offers is to check the WSO posters profile and read his post history. If he or she has never contributed something of real value to the discussion and, instead, shows a history of "me too, ditto, good post..." one liners just to increase post count, pass it up. Let's see if we can steer the forum back to it's former source of quality posting and great WSO's.

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YseUp 15 years ago

I've only been here a few weeks (or is it days?) and I've already bought a few things from WSO but usually very cheap things ie less than $10.

One was an opt in WP plug in and the other was sales page WP plug in. That's money I'll gladly spend. Yes, I'll learn to code those kinds of things myself one day but to spend that tiny amount of money to get exactly what I need now is IMO a no-brainer.

But I'd never spend money on some get-rich-quick system. Mainly cause I find that I don't follow other people's systems very well and know I'll waste my money, whether it's scam or not.
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Alan Petersen

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

One final thought: if you see a WSO check out the seller. If they have a lot of WSOs, but no websites selling their products to the public, it probably means their "WSOs" are not Warrior Special Offers at all. They may be using the forum to make a quick buck. More like, Warrior Gullible Offers.

Right on Brian. It's even Allen's rule #2 for WSO's:

2. A Warrior Special Offer Means The Price You Give Must Be Better Than The Price The Public At Large Can Get. (This is not a "buy my product" forum, it is a "Special Offer" forum)

So if your whole business model is selling WSO's and you never market to the general public then it's not really a WSO at all. Why wouldn't they eventually role it out to the general public. Perhaps because they can't or it's just easier to sell WSO's instead of marketing your products outside this forum. Not very Warrior-ish. :-)