Warriors... How do you negotiate rates with expert writers?

8 replies
Negotiating rates with expert writers - this is one issue that has been troubling me for a long time now. I tend to go with high quality writers only (who are experts in their field) and I will seldom go with writing services.

Sometimes through my blog, I get application for writers. I know that the quality they would produce would be amazing but they will quote price which is way high and off the mark.

What to do in such cases? if you're sure you want to hire them but the rates they would offer are just too high.
#expert #negotiate #rates #warriors #writers
  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    I think the best method you can use is to set a (fair) fixed price, something that you think they would agree to, as well as something you are willing and able to pay.

    If you have fixed rates that you are fine paying with, they are more likely to accept them knowing there is no room for negotiation. Don't let applicant writers set the first price - it is much harder to negotiate from there.

    BTW, it's great to see you are not compromising on the quality of writers.
    Signature

    >>>Get your websites ACTUALLY ranked by checking these out: Quantum SEO Labs, Home Page Link Building & SERP Ability. Want to get rid of negative listings? Check out Reputation Enhancer.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5555190].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
    Banned
    Originally Posted by geekology View Post

    Negotiating rates with expert writers - this is one issue that has been troubling me for a long time now.
    If they really are expert writers, there's very little you can do about it.

    They know what their time is worth; the know what their hourly rate is; they know roughly how long work's going to take them; they have enough work to fill most of the working time they have available, and they know that if you don't pay their going rate, someone else will. Otherwise they're not really "expert writers".

    So it's not going to be easy. Possibly you might manage to negotiate some sort of "discount for bulk", if it's going to save them some time and effort, in the long run. But otherwise pretty difficult, I think.

    Originally Posted by geekology View Post

    What to do in such cases? if you're sure you want to hire them but the rates they would offer are just too high.
    There's no easy answer, I'm afraid. The value to clients of their work tends to be such that it's pretty easy for expert writers to fill all the time they want to work.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5555506].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
      Banned
      Negotiate on price?

      Quick answer, get lost, you're not the kind of client I'm looking to work with.

      Next...
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5555515].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Owen Lee
    As long as you're willing to properly reward your writer, you could make it clear that you have other options. There are lots of expert writers who offer their services at fair prices.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5555549].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by geekology View Post

    Negotiating rates with expert writers
    Set a rate you are willing to pay for good writing.

    When writers contact you, ignore their rates and offer them that.

    Tell them you will pay when you get the writing, and if you don't like it you will send it back and not use it and they get nothing.



    If they say no, ignore any counteroffer and tell them to have a nice day.

    There is one exception to ignoring the writer's quoted rates: if the writer is more important than you. If you have a heavy metal guitar site, and K.K. Downing of Judas Priest contacts you saying "hey man I'd like to write an article for your site," chances are you had better STFU and pay him whatever he wants.

    But if people are not going to flock onto your site clamouring to read the new article from whomever, you pay what you pay and that's that.


    It is worth noting that because you are ignoring their rates, you may be offering more than they want, which is exactly as it should be. If you buy writing on an ongoing basis, you pay what you pay and everybody gets the same thing. Either the writing is good enough, or it is not. If it is good enough, they get what everyone else gets. If it is not, they get nothing.

    This is how real writing outlets work; professional writers are accustomed to working this way, and would-be professionals will rapidly discover that everybody works this way so they'd better get accustomed to it.
    Signature
    "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5555552].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Their rates are not "off the mark." They know what they're worth. You just don't want to pay it.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5555553].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author geekology
      Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post

      I think the best method you can use is to set a (fair) fixed price, something that you think they would agree to, as well as something you are willing and able to pay.

      If you have fixed rates that you are fine paying with, they are more likely to accept them knowing there is no room for negotiation. Don't let applicant writers set the first price - it is much harder to negotiate from there.

      BTW, it's great to see you are not compromising on the quality of writers.
      Thanks Yasir.

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      If they really are expert writers, there's very little you can do about it.

      They know what their time is worth; the know what their hourly rate is; they know roughly how long work's going to take them; they have enough work to fill most of the working time they have available, and they know that if you don't pay their going rate, someone else will. Otherwise they're not really "expert writers".

      So it's not going to be easy. Possibly you might manage to negotiate some sort of "discount for bulk", if it's going to save them some time and effort, in the long run. But otherwise pretty difficult, I think.

      There's no easy answer, I'm afraid. The value to clients of their work tends to be such that it's pretty easy for expert writers to fill all the time they want to work.
      Thanks Alexa. My observation is that the folks who apply through blogs are not really aware on how and what to charge for writing and would come up with some random figures. They are not writers per-se but are experts in their niche. I am talking about niche related to technology.

      Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

      Negotiate on price?

      Quick answer, get lost, you're not the kind of client I'm looking to work with.

      Next...
      ?? Thank you for not being able to (or trying to) understand and not contributing anything to the thread.

      Originally Posted by Anna17 View Post

      I have been writing academically for the past year. More than 110 different papers from anything from high school book report to a dissertation proposal, I will propose my article writing services for half the rate in exchange for some serious consulting as my blogs are not making any money. PM with the subject matter, I will tell you if I can do the research and give you what you want.
      Thanks Anna. I am going to PM you shortly.

      Originally Posted by Owen Lee View Post

      As long as you're willing to properly reward your writer, you could make it clear that you have other options. There are lots of expert writers who offer their services at fair prices.
      Thanks Owen. Their are lots of experts writers but there are few experts in my niche who are writers or few experts who are willing to write. There is this difference which creates a problem.

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Set a rate you are willing to pay for good writing.

      When writers contact you, ignore their rates and offer them that.

      Tell them you will pay when you get the writing, and if you don't like it you will send it back and not use it and they get nothing.



      If they say no, ignore any counteroffer and tell them to have a nice day.

      There is one exception to ignoring the writer's quoted rates: if the writer is more important than you. If you have a heavy metal guitar site, and K.K. Downing of Judas Priest contacts you saying "hey man I'd like to write an article for your site," chances are you had better STFU and pay him whatever he wants.

      But if people are not going to flock onto your site clamouring to read the new article from whomever, you pay what you pay and that's that.


      It is worth noting that because you are ignoring their rates, you may be offering more than they want, which is exactly as it should be. If you buy writing on an ongoing basis, you pay what you pay and everybody gets the same thing. Either the writing is good enough, or it is not. If it is good enough, they get what everyone else gets. If it is not, they get nothing.

      This is how real writing outlets work; professional writers are accustomed to working this way, and would-be professionals will rapidly discover that everybody works this way so they'd better get accustomed to it.
      Thanks CDarklock. Some good nuggets of info there. I really like this - "It is worth noting that because you are ignoring their rates, you may be offering more than they want, which is exactly as it should be."


      Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

      Their rates are not "off the mark." They know what they're worth. You just don't want to pay it.
      Thanks redicelander. I guess sometimes not. As mentioned above they would just put some random figures since they are not writers but are only experts so they don't really know what to charge.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5555734].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author hotwebwords
    Appeal to a writer to work with your budget. For example, if you want 50 articles but your budget only amounts to what they would charge for 25 articles, then hire them for 25 articles and pay their rates. You'll be glad you did because quality is endlessly more important than quantity, and even less articles than you expected can do more when you work with a good writer.

    I faced my example situation with one Internet marketer client, and after he used the first order of 25 articles, they paid for the next 25 (and then some [

    Best wishes on your writing projects!
    Signature

    Do you have Hot Web Words earning you $3,000+ a month?

    Build your website rank this week with SEVEN BMR posts for $5.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[5555851].message }}

Trending Topics