**Update** Interesting Offer I received, some advice from Warriors please...

Hi,

I think it is a great opportunity and should be taken with open arms. There is so much info available online, after 1 week of study you should be able to put together a good plan. With regard to remuneration, I would ask them to make you an offer AFTER you have decided what you are worth. If their figure is near to yours, then personally I'd take it. Hope this helps. All the best, Allen

My advise to you is: Don't wait! Go get that job! You can learn along the way, it's not that hard if you have the passion in doing it, about compensation, you should ask for a sum much higher than your current pay, cause you are a consultant to the company now

Hi James,

That is an amazing offer. Congratulations. My instinct tells me that you should ask for at least 1.5 times the salary you were on when you left, or alternatively a basic plus a percentage of profits.

The work that they have offered you, means that the future growth of the company is pretty much on your head and that is huge responsibility. You are likely to find yourself working a lot more hours than you envisage and the company must pay for that.

Do make sure that a clear contract is written and have a lawyer go over it.

Best of luck

Sandy

Thank you for the advice so far. I just want to be more clear, I have already accepted the offer. I just have to tell them how much I want and give them a list of the tasks I will be doing, I very literally get to make my own job description. 1.5 times my last salary is start, any more opinions on this?

Thank you so much.

Best Regards,
James Campbell

Hi James

First of all congratulations on two points. One for trying to make life better for your fellow employees and two for having the guts to speak your mind.

Your bosses and their bosses are obviously very impressed with you - you must have written a very professional document as opposed to this place is shxt, the managers are crxp etc etc.

So YOU have what it takes to do the job but are you certain that you want to do this type of job. Would you enjoy "going out and about" seeking opinions etc - some people would hate it and others would love it. If it is the type of thing that would give you the will to get up in the mornings then go for it.

These are the things I would suggest but please bear in mind I have no knowledge of employment law, regulations, benefits etc in Canada.

1) Set yourself up as a Consultant rather than an employee if possible. You should be paid better as you would, normally, have no entitlement to company benefits such as sick pay, pension/superannuation etc

2) Why above route? Well I am assuming as you quit your job in the first place that you are not 100% happy being employed - if you go back as an employee you are probably going to be tied into an employment contract which restricts your rights to work for others or yourself in certain fields. For example, I am/was a financial planner so if I go for an employed role, I have to sign away all rights to work for anyone else including myself.


3) If you chose consultancy you can pick your own hours which will/should allow you to build up your own business (perhaps as a consultant to other web hosting companies - not immediately but in the future)

4) Make sure when calculating your payment rate you take account of holidays (as you would possibly not be entitled to holiday pay) and also put an allowance in to pay for benefits (sick pay, pension payments, life cover if required etc etc)

5) For some reason, companies always value a "consultant" more than an employee - why? Same person right? Perhaps it is because they are paying them more (usually!) or perhaps it could be down to the fact that a lot of consultants see the bigger picture and are able to do their job better as they are not in the 9-5 grindstone of being an employee.

6) Remember that this company has issues - sounds like major ones as they were sufficient to make you leave - whilst they are very keen on getting you back, they may forget why when you have rejoined them. I am not saying that is going to happen but it is very difficult to change a whole companies issues overnight - can it be done - yes but easy no!

So you dont want to be tied into this one company if you can avoid it. A mix of consultancy work (steady income to pay the bills) and building your own business could be the best of both worlds.


As I said above, You want to have a contract which allows you the freedom to work for yourself (I assume you want to work in IM as you are a warrior but I could be wrong).

You probably do not want to go back into the "employee rat race" (read Rich Dad Poor Dad for the reasons why) but the main one is that employees rarely get very wealthy (if money motivates you)

You are in a very strong position - think about it - they are doing all the running. They want you back so now is the time to set your terms - it is too late to do it after you join.

I have no idea what you should charge given I dont know what the rates of pay are in Canada but here is something I would do

Take the salary you were on and add the costs of your benefits package to your salary. That will give you the minimum annual salary you would want to earn. But now you are not an employee (if you chose the consultancy route), you need to build in extra security so add in 25% (or more if you think they will bear this cost).

Go back to them with a higher figure as they will probably negotiate downwards (you never go with the figure you want to be paid) and hopefully you will end up with the package you are looking for.

I hope a warrior who is more familiar with the laws in Canada and setting up a consultancy or similar contract will jump in and help you out.

I am really sorry this post is rambling - two sick kids are not condusive to writing forum posts lol

Best of luck James

Take care

Rach

Joe Blogs Webhosting.
"So James, let's talk about Salary. What sort of figure are you looking for".

James
"As this is a new type of position, I'm not sure what the market rate would be for this sort of thing. Therefore, I would leave it to the other party to give an indication of the salary range, so that I could consider whether this is a viable opportunity for me".

Or something like that. Get them to mention a figure FIRST. Then negotiate from there. It certainly sounds like you're in the driving seat. 1.5 times leaving salary sounds good, but I think it's fair to say we've all seen a lot stranger things happen, so you might get more.

Congratulations by the way!

Hourly rate is the most appropriate for your situation, remember the company told you that you can work anywhere you like.

That means you can work at home too right, and you don't have any strict 9-5 routine.
But get this, this also means you have to be willing to do anything anytime.

Also you are in command for the online representation of the company, now you should consider how powerful that is.
Relate it with your salary consideration.

It seems like a great opportunity for you, I'd grab it with both hands and learn anything you need along the way! you've already got a great learning tool here at the warrior forum and with google as your search buddy you cant fail

james,

whats the problem?

I am puzzled that you and your webmaster company, dont have a substantial online presence YET.

This can be a blog/forum...and yes, PR and customer communication in any way possible.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

Sounds like a head of marketing type position so look for pay in that area.
Take the job and go for it.