Unlimited WSOs?

12 years ago

It has always cost money to post an individual WSO. For years.

37 dollar War Room gives you the privilege of posting unlimited WSO's. But that doesn't mean the WSOs don't cost. It's an advertising thread, and well worth the money.

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spikerjohn71 12 years ago

That is not how I understood it can I get a refund and apply that to the individual post?
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- spikerjohn71 12 years ago
  
  I mean what is the real purpose of the 37 dollars if they are still going to charge me 40 dollars to post.
  
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  Dennis Gaskill 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by spikerjohn71
  
  I mean what is the real purpose of the 37 dollars if they are still going to charge me 40 dollars to post.
  
  Explore the War Room and you'll discover the purpose. It will be the best $37 you've ever spent on IM if you give it a chance.
  
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  spikerjohn71 12 years ago
  
  One other thing I mean what if I pay the total of 77 dollars and launch my WSO but get no sales do they refund the 40 dollars?
  
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  Rob Howard 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by spikerjohn71
  
  One other thing I mean what if I pay the total of 77 dollars and launch my WSO but get no sales do they refund the 40 dollars?
  
  Nope. It's paid advertisement.
  
  Does a car dealership get a refund on their TV ad if they don't make any car sales? The TV station would laugh them out the door.
  
  Look, I don't mean to be harsh, but if you're fretting over 77 dollars for running a WSO, you probably shouldn't be running one.
  
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  spikerjohn71 12 years ago
  
  Have you ever known someone to launch a WSO and get no sales Im just curious I have a great product but Im just curious.
  
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  Rob Howard 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by spikerjohn71
  
  Have you ever known someone to launch a WSO and get no sales Im just curious I have a great product but Im just curious.
  
  Yes. I have a few.
  
  And I've ran close to 60 WSO's during my time here. It does happen.
  
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  dougp 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by spikerjohn71
  
  Have you ever known someone to launch a WSO and get no sales Im just curious I have a great product but Im just curious.
  
  If you are so worried about losing on a business investment that is less than $100 then maybe you should save yourself the stress and play it safe. Or, you can do your due diligence and do good research, read up on some good material on how to do WSOs, and then take the risk and do it. However, constantly posting on a forum and trying to measure yourself to others may lead you in disappointment.
  
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  WillR 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by spikerjohn71
  
  Have you ever known someone to launch a WSO and get no sales Im just curious I have a great product but Im just curious.
  
  "I have a pair of used soccer boots I want to sell on eBay. Does anyone know if they will sell?"
  
  Do you see how silly your question sounds?
  
  If they didn't charge you $37 for the War Room membership then your first WSO would likely cost $77 to post. Just count yourself lucky you are getting a ton of value for that $37... never-ending value.
  
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  Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by spikerjohn71
  
  Have you ever known someone to launch a WSO and get no sales
  
  Yes.
  
  I suspect there's something like an "unspoken general feeling" that if someone's brand new and entirely unknown, and they start off here by listing something for sale, they may come across as someone whose purpose in being here is primarily "to sell to us" rather than to become a participant in our community. And that may perhaps be a little off-putting to some members, I think.
  
  There may be some exceptions, but it seems to me that "reputation here" is a pretty major determining factor of how well people's advertised products/services do here. Maybe not such a surprise?
  
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  PaulyC 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by spikerjohn71
  
  One other thing I mean what if I pay the total of 77 dollars and launch my WSO but get no sales do they refund the 40 dollars?
  
  There are many benefits to a WSO than just making fast cash. Consider using it to build your list for other products, consider using it by offering 100% commissions to get affiliates in your corner, consider using it to demonstrate that you actually deserve some WSO success and respect in the industry.
  
  Don't just go posting a WSO for the sake of making a few dollars, if you don't truly understand the insane potential you can achieve with doing it right then you really shouldn't waste your time.
  
  The money you 'spent' shouldn't be thought of like wasted money, it should be approached as an investment - and on this forum this is truly a wise investment in your business.
  
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- Rob Howard 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by spikerjohn71
  
  That is not how I understood it can I get a refund and apply that to the individual post?
  
  No. War Room membership is required to post a WSO and so is the 40 dollars. You cannot post a WSO without being a war room member.
  
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  spikerjohn71 12 years ago
  
  Wow this is just tanking me out here, I wish I had know that before buying they could have explained it a little better, thanks for helping though.
  
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  Rob Howard 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by spikerjohn71
  
  Wow this is just tanking me out here, I wish I had know that before buying they could have explained it a little better, thanks for helping though.
  
  77 Bucks is nothing compared to the amount of money you can make with a WSO.
  
  If you have a good product, good sales copy, and get a few affiliates on board...
  
  We'll, lets just say I know a few people who have done over 100,000 bucks with a WSO.
  
  Just sayin'. Best advertising investment around.
  
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Tiffiney Cowan

12 years ago

Hi spikerjohn71,

My husband felt similarly when I first joined WF and forked over the nearly $80 bucks it took to post my first WSO. I am in the beginning stages of growing my business, but I can tell you that a large percentage of my sales have come from the WSOs I've posted here on the WF.

You might find this post with detailed info on investing in WSOs helpful: Investing Your Money Into WSO Ads
(That's not me, by the way, it's a different Tiffany)

Hope that helps!

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danlew

12 years ago

This is an investment of your lifetime. Posting as many WSO's as you want can give you more sales (depends on the attractiveness and quality of your WSO), but you need to invest money to post a WSO (and to bump it if you think this WSO of yours generates lots of sales).

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Alan Petersen

12 years ago

You just joined the Warrior Forum for what appears to be just to sell your unlimited WSO's because if you had taken a good look at the information available in the War Room, you wouldn't be complaining.

You're asking for guarantees and refunds. You know, prospective customers will see this thread so more than likely your WSO won't do well so save your money.

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Cali16 12 years ago

You'll have a lot more success with your WSO if you actually take some time to contribute to the forum first. Just sayin'..... :rolleyes:
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WillR

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

But trust me, these are minimal investments compared to the returns that you will get on doing WSOs.

This is where I believe half the problem comes from. So many people are now touting the WSO forum as a license to print money... almost a guarantee. The fact is there are a ton of WSO's that have sold very few copies, less than 10.

Going by Warrior Plus stats alone, out of a total of 5235 WSO's posted, 1734 of those WSO's have made less than 25 sales. Of those 1734, 934 of those made less than 10 sales and about 300 made NO sales whatsoever.

Keep in mind these are only WSO's on the Warrior Plus system. I would have it a very good guess that the stats are even worse for WSO's that didn't use Warrior Plus because it's harder to get affiliates promoting for you.

License to print money? I don't think so. I think what you meant to say was...

"these are minimal investments compared to the returns that you COULD get on doing WSOs."

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

This is where I believe half the problem comes from. So many people are now touting the WSO forum as a license to print money... almost a guarantee. The fact is there are a ton of WSO's that have sold very few copies, less than 10.

Going by Warrior Plus stats alone, out of a total of 5235 WSO's posted, 1734 of those WSO's have made less than 25 sales. Of those 1734, 934 of those made less than 10 sales and about 300 made NO sales whatsoever.

Keep in mind these are only WSO's on the Warrior Plus system. I would have it a very good guess that the stats are even worse for WSO's that didn't use Warrior Plus because it's harder to get affiliates promoting for you.

License to print money? I don't think so. I think what you meant to say was...

"these are minimal investments compared to the returns that you COULD get on doing WSOs."

WillR, you are SO right! There was a package by a guy that I trusted, a guy that's made me $5000 so far, talking about how to make money faster. I bought it. He'd brought together a whole bunch of people who knew how to 'make $500 in 24 hours'. I clicked on one. "do a WSO..." I clicked on another one "do a WSO..." A third one "something that isn't a WSO...' A fourth one "do a WSO..."

I'm thinking 'seriously? Seriously, there has got to be a principle behind it that isn't just 'do a WSO' because of the stats of which you speak. WSO's may be awesome, but newbies doing them just to print money really doesn't make a lot of sense.

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andynathan

12 years ago

Joining the war room is not about selling. It is about getting the most amazing connections and information at your fingertips for only $37. Check out the war room for a month or two to see what IM'ers are doing here to create relationships and you will see the benefit and have a better WSO for it.

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Jill Carpenter 12 years ago

Ha.

If posting and bumping WSO's was free for everyone who just joined the War Room, I hate to say it but you most likely wouldn't have a chance in hell on your offer being even seen by anyone.

There are people on this forum far more experienced that would exploit the crap out of that section - and there would be a LOT more WSO's to compete with as well.

Thank your lucky stars there is a posting fee. You might actually do ok when you put up your first offer.
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Genycis

12 years ago

I have to agree with Jill on this one. It's only fair that there is a fee involved as well to post a WSO. It helps weed out those that aren't serious about IM or investing in themselves. We all know the saying, "you have to spend money to make money". Simple as that.

It's like with a housing area. The cheaper the rent, the more potential it has on bringing bad tenants. But, if you have the rent a bit higher, then more bad tenants don't have the funds to stay there and won't. Having the fee limits the amount of people that want to join the forum simply to create endless non-beneficial WSO's hoping to make it rich. Can you imagine the amount of WSO's that would be on here if there was no fee at all? They would've shut the forum down by now!

If you have a solid WSO, then you have to invest the $40 on yourself and see how it goes. I've spent $120 in the past on a banner ad with Buysellads.com that didn't do much for me at all. But in the same token, I've spent some money on other things that netted me my money back and some. Business is a gamble, and sometimes you fail, and other times you recoup or make profit with it.

Don't think of it as "damn, I just wasted $40 more bucks"... unless you don't feel confident about your WSO at all. Best of luck to you.

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by spikerjohn71

Hey guys Im new here I paid $37 to join the warrior room forum which states that I can post as many WSOs as I want, but now they are asking me for $40 more to post a WSO, I mean what gives?, I have contacted them but no one is responding to by tickets and PMs, can some explain whats going on.

Please show me where it says you post as many WSOs for free as you want.

FACT: The War Room payment gives you access to the War Room content and some benefits, one of them that you can post WSOs at the fee that everyone who posts WSOs are charged. There is no free advertising on the Warrior Forum except for use of your signature block.

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Super Warrior

12 years ago

I read somewhere that 'Man is optimistic by nature'.
But it seems that you're pessimistic!!

If you're too afraid of losing $77, then you should probably keep them under a FIXED DEPOSIT.

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Genycis

12 years ago

You can also see doing a WSO as learning skills such as writing good copy, creating interest and enticement and learning how to improve on that to do things on the outside when you actually write and sell ebooks or video courses or other products that you create where you'll have to implement those things.

Look at the warrior forum and War Room as a highly educated community college. You paid your tuition ($37)... now you have to pay for your 'books' ($40 for WSO), and learn the course, implement what you learn, learn from your mistakes and downfalls, pick up your grade point average, and push at it again. Multiple failures can equal greater success... if you learn from them that is.

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by spikerjohn71

Hey guys Im new here I paid $37 to join the warrior room forum which states that I can post as many WSOs as I want

Nobody ever said you could post them for free.

If you are not a member of the War Room, you cannot post a WSO at all.

If you are, then you can in fact post all the WSOs you want.

Posting a WSO costs $40.

In addition, that only covers putting a thread in the WSO forum. You will need to provide your own back-end payment processing, affiliate referral, and delivery mechanism, usually at additional cost. And you will probably need a place to host your downloadable files.

Depending on the options you use for this, it could cost upwards of $1k to run the WSO once your offer goes live. On the other hand, there are services like DigiResults which are all but free; they just take a percentage of your sales.

Nothing's free in this industry. Get used to it. All things considered, it's still several orders of magnitude cheaper than starting a business off the internet.

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SteveJohnson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Nobody ever said you could post them for free.

If you are not a member of the War Room, you cannot post a WSO at all.

If you are, then you can in fact post all the WSOs you want.

Posting a WSO costs $40.

In addition, that only covers putting a thread in the WSO forum. You will need to provide your own back-end payment processing, affiliate referral, and delivery mechanism, usually at additional cost. And you will probably need a place to host your downloadable files.

Depending on the options you use for this, it could cost upwards of $1k to run the WSO once your offer goes live. On the other hand, there are services like DigiResults which are all but free; they just take a percentage of your sales.

Nothing's free in this industry. Get used to it. All things considered, it's still several orders of magnitude cheaper than starting a business off the internet.

Wow, way to pop a bubble dude!

I just love how you sugar-coat your answers...you're my hero

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by spikerjohn71

Hey guys Im new here I paid $37 to join the warrior room forum which states that I can post as many WSOs as I want, but now they are asking me for $40 more to post a WSO, I mean what gives?, I have contacted them but no one is responding to by tickets and PMs, can some explain whats going on.

I think there is some confusion here.

How it works, is you pay $37 to join the War Room. You can then either post freebies in it, or you have access to other peoples freebies or old WSO's.
To post a real WSO, you post that in the Warrior Special Offer Section, which then costs you $40 a post.

So to clarify, the War Room is for free resources to people that are members, the Warrior Special Offers is where you usually buy WSO's or pay to advertise them.

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Rod Cortez

12 years ago

I think SpikerJohn might have a legitimate beef. If someone is new to the forum and they click on the War Room triangle icon on the bottom right-hand corner (you can only see it if you're logged off or not a registered user), then it takes you to this page:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...id-status.html

Nowhere on this page does it discuss the $40 fee to post a WSO. Though it doesn't explicity state you cannot post unlimited WSOs, it does say this:

"* Post Warrior Special Offers"

If this is the only sales page you're reading as a newcomer, I can see how someone can get confused. I think that thread needs to be updated because a newcomer to the forum won't know all the nitty gritty details about the War Room and posting WSOs.

I can understand how a newcomer could get a little miffed.

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SteveJohnson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

I think SpikerJohn might have a legitimate beef. If someone is new to the forum and they click on the War Room triangle icon on the bottom right-hand corner (you can only see it if you're logged off or not a registered user), then it takes you to this page:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...id-status.html

Nowhere on this page does it discuss the $40 fee to post a WSO. Though it doesn't explicity state you cannot post unlimited WSOs, it does say this:

"* Post Warrior Special Offers"

If this is the only sales page you're reading as a newcomer, I can see how someone can get confused. I think that thread needs to be updated because a newcomer to the forum won't know all the nitty gritty details about the War Room and posting WSOs.

I can understand how a newcomer could get a little miffed.

RoD

While I can see your point, it's a little difficult to cough up some sympathy for someone whose express purpose for joining the WF was to post WSOs. Not to contribute, not to take part, not to learn or teach, but just because he/she probably heard somewhere that "you can make a killing with WSOs".

A newcomer who gets involved in the forum would likely figure out very quickly that it costs to post a WSO in addition to being a War Room member.

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Rod Cortez

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

While I can see your point, it's a little difficult to cough up some sympathy for someone whose express purpose for joining the WF was to post WSOs. Not to contribute, not to take part, not to learn or teach, but just because he/she probably heard somewhere that "you can make a killing with WSOs".

A newcomer who gets involved in the forum would likely figure out very quickly that it costs to post a WSO in addition to being a War Room member.

Just my two cents

I hear you Steve and I agree with you on that point, but that's not the point I was making. If a newcomer does see that thread and they want to join the War Room as a newcomer, there should be some wording in there that makes it clear that it costs an additional $40 to post to the War Room. I'm talking about being fair on what's being offered, I wasn't arguing about the intentions of the person signing up because nobody really knows that.

I think it's dangerous to assume that any newcomer that wants to join the War Room just wants to make a "killing" selling WSOs. I think that specific thread about the War Room should be updated. I think it's a reasonable request because that's the page a newcomer is going to see.

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Raydal

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

I think SpikerJohn might have a legitimate beef. If someone is new to the forum and they click on the War Room triangle icon on the bottom right-hand corner (you can only see it if you're logged off or not a registered user), then it takes you to this page:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...id-status.html

Nowhere on this page does it discuss the $40 fee to post a WSO. Though it doesn't explicity state you cannot post unlimited WSOs, it does say this:

"* Post Warrior Special Offers"

If this is the only sales page you're reading as a newcomer, I can see how someone can get confused. I think that thread needs to be updated because a newcomer to the forum won't know all the nitty gritty details about the War Room and posting WSOs.

I can understand how a newcomer could get a little miffed.

RoD

I agree with your position.

This forum can be a tough place to the new comer. I can
understand the plight of the OP and it's missed by a lot of side
arguments.

If you tell me that I need to pay $1 to post an ad and then after
I paid the one dollar I learn that I must pay another $.10 then
I will be complaining.

I used those small figures because the amount really shouldn't
matter. It's the principle.

And the criticisms of the OP along the line of not wanting to
invest in his business and only joining the forum to post a WSO
is uncalled for.

The requirements need to be clarified so there are no misunderstandings.

For those of us who have been around to see the changes in the
WSO posting requirement this is common knowledge, but for a
new member it can be confusing.

It's a great idea to first contribute to the forum before posting a
WSO but I've seen people who ignored this "rule" and hit it big
because they had a great product.

So I say, give the guy a break.

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DoubleOhDave

12 years ago

I'm kinda glad this was brought up cos I am plotting out a WSO and didn't realise it cost the $37 as well as the $40 I already knew about. So now I know I won't get a surprise further down the line. It seems to me though (and I'm not a member of it YET) that the War Room has benefits the rest of us don't have access to that are probably well worth a one time $37 payment that go well beyond just being able to post a WSO... If it's a good WSO I wouldn't be worrying about an extra $37-$40, whichever way you are thinking of it...

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tpw

12 years ago

My first 3 wso's lost money.

My 4th, 5th and 8th made a lot of money.

My 6th and 7th broke even.

If my stats are any indication, you have a 37% chance of making money with WSO's.

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R Hagel

12 years ago

I'm guessing by now you get the point that WSOs cost $40 to post and to bump.

But maybe you're still wondering why. So think of it this way...

You know those discount membership places like Sam's Club and Costco? You need to pay a yearly membership fee. But just because you're a member doesn't mean you can walk into the store, fill up your cart and walk out without paying for the merchandise. Instead, your membership merely entitles you to shop in the store and take advantage of their discounts.

Likewise, you can't post unlimited WSOs for free (just like you can't get free products at Costco). However, your Warrior Forum membership fee of $37 grants you the privilege of posting WSOs (for a $40 fee).

As others have pointed out, your membership has other privileges like access to the War Room (there are a couple posts in there that are worth the $37 by themselves), access to a bigger PM inbox, etc.

So yeah -- check out the War Room and you'll see that you've already gotten your $37 of value back 100 times over.

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Genycis

12 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

I'm guessing by now you get the point that WSOs cost $40 to post and to bump.

But maybe you're still wondering why. So think of it this way...

You know those discount membership places like Sam's Club and Costco? You need to pay a yearly membership fee. But just because you're a member doesn't mean you can walk into the store, fill up your cart and walk out without paying for the merchandise. Instead, your membership merely entitles you to shop in the store and take advantage of their discounts.

Likewise, you can't post unlimited WSOs for free (just like you can't get free products at Costco). However, your Warrior Forum membership fee of $37 grants you the privilege of posting WSOs (for a $40 fee).

As others have pointed out, your membership has other privileges like access to the War Room (there are a couple posts in there that are worth the $37 by themselves), access to a bigger PM inbox, etc.

So yeah -- check out the War Room and you'll see that you've already gotten your $37 of value back 100 times over.

Becky

Becky, that was probably the best analogy to make it clear as to how the War Room and posting WSO's works. Couldn't have been put better any other way.

The War Room membership is more than valuable at the $37 one time fee (they could easily charge $37 a year in here). I bought my War Room membership a day or two ago, simply because I also needed the bigger PM box, but found some gems in there as well.

As far as posting the WSO at the $40.00 price, if you have solid content and make something of value that people will want to buy, then look at the $40.00 this way: If you are selling your WSO at $7 a piece, you only need to sell 6 of them to make that $40.00 back. You do still have to consider however to make sure you have a place to host your product, and a way to handle the payments for it, etc. so be sure to look into those aspects as well.

Just ask around. Everyone here is helpful and will be more than willing to help. as long as you're looking at things more optimistically. I'm just trying to clear some other projects first and may look into a WSO as well that I can post that may be of help to some people. In the end for me, I'm happy if I can make some sales on a quality product that can help people, whether it's doing things a different way, trying new methods, improving or adding new twists to old ones, etc.

Business is money. Even if you're an artist trying to sell paintings, you still have to spend money on the canvas and the paints and hope to recoup and make profit from it. Think positively and good luck.

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dave147

12 years ago

Originally Posted by spikerjohn71

Hey guys Im new here I paid $37 to join the warrior room forum which states that I can post as many WSOs as I want, but now they are asking me for $40 more to post a WSO, I mean what gives?, I have contacted them but no one is responding to by tickets and PMs, can some explain whats going on.

You paid $37 to have access to the WAR Room that's it! This is the private members area and not everyone has access, you must pay the lifetime membership fee of $37 to be able to get in when you click on the link!
Another great benefit of joining the War Room is now you can post WSOs, and a WSO is only $40 to post one! Incredible value!!

Dave

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edwinms

12 years ago

thank you all for the information..

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iAmNameLess

12 years ago

To the OP: The success stories of WSO's aren't just random luck and random traffic here. People who are successful, have a reputation in the forum, or have a list to market to, and have great affiliates. If you have those things, then you will make a lot of money. If you don't have those things, you probably won't break even.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

To the OP: The success stories of WSO's aren't just random luck and random traffic here. People who are successful, have a reputation in the forum, or have a list to market to, and have great affiliates. If you have those things, then you will make a lot of money. If you don't have those things, you probably won't break even.

Very much correct.

There was a time when just posting in the WSO sub forum could ensure success. Now you need affiliates, and that requires an add-on service behind the WSO -- i.e. mo' money.

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YasirYar

12 years ago

OK! you paid $37 to have access to the war room that's it! This is members only area, you must pay the membership fee which is $37 to get in here.
Another great benefit of joining the War Room is now you can post WSOs, and a WSO costs $40. So whats unfair?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by YasirYar

OK! you paid $37 to have access to the war room that's it! This is members only area, you must pay the membership fee which is $37 to get in here.
Another great benefit of joining the War Room is now you can post WSOs, and a WSO costs $40. So whats unfair?

If you log out of the Warrior Forum and then go back to main forum at Warriorforum.com you'll see the War Room triangle on the bottom, right-hand part of the screen. This is what a newcomer to the forum is going to see. If they click on that triangle they are going to be directed here:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...id-status.html

Nowhere on that page does it state you have to pay $40 additional dollars to post a WSO. That's what's unfair.

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