Had anyone heard of ACTA and TPP? Act same as SOPA but Globally

by Mr Lim
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Guys is this true?
I think the internet is going to collapse soon, laws are playing us.

Check this out.
What Is ACTA And Why Is It A Problem? | Techdirt
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  • Profile picture of the author sonicadam123
    As far as I know it is, I've seen it on uk news sites, haven't seen it broadcast though but most people I know have never heard of this and don't even know it's happening, and I'm guessing it's a similar story for a lot of other people, not just in my country (the uk) but other places too.

    This is the best explanation I've found -


    I really thought we'd won a great battle with SOPA/PIPA.

    This is like putting SOPA on steroids or something stupid.
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    • Profile picture of the author Centurian
      The simple danger with ACTA, PIPA, and SOPA, is it removes legal jurisprudence from a U.S. court of law to a nameless, faceless bureaucracy.

      Simply put, a bureaucrat or government officer can determine your guilt through arbitrary and capricious measures and take action against you or even present his "evidence" to a "court" to seize your property.

      ACTA is a greater threat because it places you under international law and an international bureaucratic committee. Think you hate dealing with Google, your cell phone company, Craigslist or PayPal? Just wait until the "rule of law" is determined in some U.N. panel in Brussels.

      This is what our founding fathers gave their lives to fight against. Even the Star Chambers, an English court of law established to fight against those too powerful for ordinary courts to convict, turned into a political weapon to destroy those who dared defy the ruling elite.

      These court sessions were held in secret with evidence presented in writing to appointed judges. There was no right to face one's accusers, cross examine, or be heard by a jury of one's peers. There were no witnesses, no indictments, and no right of appeal.

      Do you honestly think that you can defend your interests against the power of corporate systems allied with the power of government? Even Mussolini defined the merger of state and corporate interest as fascism.

      With American government turned upside down and power centralized in a behemoth, nationalized bureaucracy, which purports to govern every area of our lives, there is little justice, liberty, or free enterprise.

      The continued migration of rights and liberties to an international tribunal to decide how a treaty is enforced strips the last vestiges of Constitutionally-protected freedom from the people and surrenders it to an elite council to determine who lives and who dies.

      Most laws are marketed to sound helpful and beneficial. It is often in the application of that law we find it's glaring abuses. I don't want to live in a land that has to "pass a 2,000 page 'law' to find out what's in it" much less assent to laws whose rules haven't even yet been written. Such is the case with ACTA.

      The principle of innocent until proven guilty is a sacred right that protects each of us. Without this, none of us are safe. We think things don't matter until they effect us personally. That is our sole determination of justice. We are deluded by a false sense of security.

      They just haven't determined you're worth the trouble yet. Make waves and threaten the established order. Then we'll see their version of justice.

      I doesn't matter if I think Kim Dotcom's MegaUpload was used to share all my intellectual property illegally. There are already laws in place to enforce my intellectual property rights. I can secure a lawful order in a court.

      But to allow international swat team raids by police officers, FBI, or Justice Dept. officials to serve as judge, jury, and executioner and seize private property, domains, websites, bank accounts, cars, houses, cash, assets without a trial and verdict by a jury, and judgment pronounced by the court is the end of all our security. This is "justice" by the power of the gun.

      Try to defend yourself in a court of law when all your money and assets are seized by these officers. Yes, I know that this is not the first time this has happened. That's just the point. Each time we enable this through our own silence, we hasten the day for our own destruction.

      Yes, but I don't break the law you say. These crooks deserve this. That may be true, but guilt can only be determined in a court of law. Further, what happens when what you do becomes "illegal" or "unauthorized" or "violates" your competitor's interests because he has friends in high places.

      It happens every day unless you live under a rock.

      Don't give me that line that someone has investigated this and found violations. These are "alleged" violations until determined by a trial.

      As a trade hearing officer, I've sat through plenty of legal standards cases where I thought the person was guilty as charged, until I heard the other side.

      I've read six hundred pages of allegations that anyone would indict the accused on.

      I distinctly remember a case where I was hired as an expert witness for the defense. As I read the allegations that took days to wade through, I swore my client's agent was guilty as sin. But as I began to read the pages from the defense brief, the entire case against the accused crumbled before my eyes.

      Guilt or innocence cannot be tried in the court of public opinion or determined by prosecutors or police. Your rights and responsibilities rest on the bedrock of the U.S. Constitution and your right to a trial by jury.

      You may choose to surrender your life, liberty, and property to an international star chamber, but I choose to defend mine until I draw my final breath. Liberty is not preserved by governments of men, but by laws written in stone and defended by those whose life depends on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Lim
      Originally Posted by sonicadam123 View Post

      As far as I know it is, I've seen it on uk news sites, haven't seen it broadcast though but most people I know have never heard of this and don't even know it's happening, and I'm guessing it's a similar story for a lot of other people, not just in my country (the uk) but other places too.

      This is the best explanation I've found -

      YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

      I really thought we'd won a great battle with SOPA/PIPA.

      This is like putting SOPA on steroids or something stupid.
      Wow, seriously the video fears me...

      I think not many of the people outside aware of ACTA and TPP yet? Speechless...
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Here's the email I got from Fight for the Future

    Together, we beat SOPA in a huge victory for internet freedom. But this Saturday, internet freedom protests are breaking out in over 200 cities across Europe. Why?

    Because the companies behind SOPA are using international trade agreements as a backdoor to pass SOPA-style laws

    SOPA's supporters are pushing two agreements: ACTA and TPP1. ACTA would criminalize users, encourage internet providers to spy on you, and make it easier for media companies to sue sites out of existence and jail their founders. Sound familiar? That's right, ACTA is from the same playbook as SOPA, but global. Plus it didn't even have to pass through Congress2.

    TPP goes even farther than ACTA, and the process has been even more secretive and corrupt. Last weekend (we wish this was a joke) trade negotiators partied with MPAA (pro-SOPA) lobbyists before secret negotiations in a Hollywood hotel, while public interest groups were barred from meeting in the same building.3

    Trade agreements are a gaping loophole, a secretive backdoor track that--even though it creates new laws--is miles removed from democracy. Trade negotiators are unelected and unaccountable, so these agreements have been very hard for internet rights groups to stop.

    But now the tide is turning. Fueled by the movement to stop SOPA, anti-ACTA protests are breaking out across the EU, which hasn't ratified ACTA. The protests are having an impact: leaders in Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia have backtracked on ACTA.4 Now a massive round of street protests in over 200 cities is planned for this Saturday February 11th.

    We're planning an online protest this Saturday to support the protests in the streets. Why? Because together we can drive millions of emails to key decision makers--and start tipping the scales like we did on SOPA.

    Can you take part? Click here to get the code to run on your site!

    We just built an ACTA & TPP contact tool, and it's not just a petition. It's code for your site that figures out the visitor's country and lets them email all their Members of European Parliament--the politicians who will be voting on ACTA in June--or the trade negotiators behind TPP. This direct contact between voters and their officials, driven by websites of all sizes, was instrumental in the fight against SOPA.

    We can use the same tactics to defeat ACTA & TPP, but we need your help!

    Support the street protests with a flood of emails to the officials responsible for ACTA & TPP. Get the code for your website!

    Don't have a website? Tell officials in your country to scrap ACTA & TPP! And spread the word about Saturday's protests!

    This is going to be tough fight. But we need to make secretive trade agreements harder to pass than US law. If we don't, our internet's future belongs to the lobbyists behind SOPA.

    This is just the beginning,

    --Holmes Wilson, Tiffiniy Cheng, Joshua Blount & the whole Fight for the Future team.

    P.S. This map of ACTA street protests in Europe is amazing. The largest has almost 50,000 RSVP's!

    Sources:

    1. For more information on ACTA, read these excellent articles from Techdirt and La Quadrature du Net. For information on TPP, read this Ars Technica piece. For video, watch this.

    2. Obama's signing of ACTA may have been unconstitutional. See Anti-counterfeiting agreement raises constitutional concerns and Techdirt.

    3. Hollywood gets to party with TPP negotiators, public interest groups get thrown out of the hotel.

    4. Ars Technica: Czech, Slovak governments backing away from ACTA, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    On the 11th we will protest here in Estonia.
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