What if anything am I doing wrong?

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Hello everyone,

I've been creating websites for a couple years now, mainly for extra income, Adsense, Amazon & CB, & recently just added CJ.

I've been building up from a couple hundred to thousands to now over 10,000++ visitors each month to most of my sites.

I've been getting click-throughs to Amazon in the range of 5,000+ each month, but very little sales.

With CB I'm getting the random $25 sale a month.

With AdSense I started out with under a $1 a month, and now with the increase in traffic it's jumped up to about $5+ a month.

With Amazon I've gotten about a total of $50+ for the past two years. With CJ I've made a big fat $0.

All my sites are a wide variety of niches, none of which are in the make money online niche. some examples are Dating, Online Gaming, Chicken Coop, Herbal Teas, Speed reading, Lower Back pain.

I just don't know if I'm missing something, or it's just going to take more time.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Bredfan
    Hmmm - that's a ton of variables. Couple things jump out at me... lots of niches and lots of monetization methods. That might be your problem right there.

    But - back up a minute - maybe present a more complete picture of ONE of your (perceived) failures. Maybe knowing some specifics, we can help you make something out of it...
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  • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
    Well i don't know if I'd consider it a failure, I've made... Roughly $300 in the last two years from Amazon, CB, & AdSense. So making money online isn't a failure, not much but I have made money so I know it's not some fake pie in the sky fairy tale about making money online.

    I've created one site, one niche, couple different options to monetize it, couple different products on the site. Then bought & built a new site, new nich, etc & just kept building..
    I mean these people boasting $1,000's a day with 3 mouse clicks magic software, stuff I've just tuned out now, but $100-$200 a day can't be out of reach, if you put in the work, I'd think.

    For example, the Chicken coop site, there are CB products for it & products on Amazon, which I have sold chicken coop products from both CB & Amazon, so know there are no failures there either. There are real products, I have sold them through my site. To me that works.

    I'm just not understanding the 10,000+ visitors a month & 5,000 click throughs to Amazon with little to no sales.

    Maybe I'm under the wrong assumption that with that much traffic & clicks I should be getting more sales. Maybe somehow the traffic isn't targeted enough, who knows...
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    • Profile picture of the author ADHardwick
      It might help if we could see one of the sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lares
        From 5066 clicks (not unique visitors) to amazon (in January) i got 171 orders and $1,068.59 in advertising fees.

        So i guess the keywords you target are not buying keywords or you promote products that people rarely purchase online.
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        • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
          Originally Posted by Lares View Post

          From 5066 clicks (not unique visitors) to amazon (in January) i got 171 orders and $1,068.59 in advertising fees.

          So i guess the keywords you target are not buying keywords or you promote products that people rarely purchase online.

          Yes I've had anywhere from 5,000 - 13,000 clicks to amazon and only a handful of orders amounting to just a few dollars.

          So that could very well be, the whole buying keywords thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
        Originally Posted by ADHardwick View Post

        It might help if we could see one of the sites.
        Am I allowed to post my sites on here without getting in trouble?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      Originally Posted by smitty7534 View Post

      Maybe I'm under the wrong assumption that with that much traffic & clicks I should be getting more sales. Maybe somehow the traffic isn't targeted enough, who knows...
      No, you're not under the wrong assumption. With that kind of traffic to Amazon you should be making AT LEAST a few hundred a month.

      Maybe the niches you're targeting just aren't big buyers. Maybe the keywords your site is targeting aren't 'buyer keywords'. People who are actively looking to buy something will either be searching for a specific product name or search terms like "buy productX", "productX Reviews", "ProductX price", "ProductX Ratings". These are the types of traffic that will make you money if you send them to Amazon.

      Have a good look at the main keywords that your sites are pulling in traffic from and ask yourself if they're terms you think someone would type in if they were ready to buy something.

      I don't have a lot of experience with Clickbank or CJ as yet so I can't offer you any advice there.
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      • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
        Originally Posted by Ben Armstrong View Post

        No, you're not under the wrong assumption. With that kind of traffic to Amazon you should be making AT LEAST a few hundred a month.

        Maybe the niches you're targeting just aren't big buyers. Maybe the keywords your site is targeting aren't 'buyer keywords'. People who are actively looking to buy something will either be searching for a specific product name or search terms like "buy productX", "productX Reviews", "ProductX price", "ProductX Ratings". These are the types of traffic that will make you money if you send them to Amazon.

        Have a good look at the main keywords that your sites are pulling in traffic from and ask yourself if they're terms you think someone would type in if they were ready to buy something.
        Yeah I'm barely pulling a few dollars a month from Amazon, from all my sites.

        But I did create a new site that was just solely focused on cameras, camera products (from amazon) and reviews and that one has been doing better than all the reset as far as Amazon clicks to buyers, & that's using longtail keywords for all the products. So that makes much more sense yeah.

        & yes the niches could just be non buyers, but I have done some research on the keywords and from what I've learned, they should be niches with stuff that people are looking to make purchases.
        Thanks for the info, very very helpful
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Hmmmm I remember writing something about this a while ago, bear with me on it because I don't have it to hand.

    This is one possibility: Your site is too generic, I remember using the watches niche. If you are targeting "Watches" and you send through traffic to Amazon based on that keyword then the buyer is much less likely to buy as they are at the start of the buying process, researching watches. Now say you targeted "Rolex Watches" your visitors are more targeted, but even now, they are not at the buying stage (or much less likely to be).

    Now if you targeted "Rolex Oyster Perpetual Milgauss" then you can be a lot more sure that the visitor has researched the watch they want and is very close to buying. This is a much more targeted visitor and much more likely to convert.

    Long-tailed is the way to convert through Amazon.

    Of course this might not apply in your case, but it might.
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    • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
      Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post


      Now if you targeted "Rolex Oyster Perpetual Milgauss" then you can be a lot more sure that the visitor has researched the watch they want and is very close to buying. This is a much more targeted visitor and much more likely to convert.

      Long-tailed is the way to convert through Amazon.

      Of course this might not apply in your case, but it might.
      I think I tried that with a camera site I have and it's pulling the longtail for each product, so people searching for "nikon d7000 55-200 lens" would be a buying keyword, I would think, so I'm not sure.
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    • Profile picture of the author PlatinumLady
      Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

      Hmmmm I remember writing something about this a while ago, bear with me on it because I don't have it to hand.

      This is one possibility: Your site is too generic, I remember using the watches niche. If you are targeting "Watches" and you send through traffic to Amazon based on that keyword then the buyer is much less likely to buy as they are at the start of the buying process, researching watches. Now say you targeted "Rolex Watches" your visitors are more targeted, but even now, they are not at the buying stage (or much less likely to be).

      Now if you targeted "Rolex Oyster Perpetual Milgauss" then you can be a lot more sure that the visitor has researched the watch they want and is very close to buying. This is a much more targeted visitor and much more likely to convert.

      Long-tailed is the way to convert through Amazon.

      Of course this might not apply in your case, but it might.
      As always very helpful post. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by smitty7534 View Post

    What if anything am I doing wrong?
    I wonder whether you're attracting floods of traffic and losing it all because you're not building lists, and because of this, you have no sales process but are chasing after about only 10% of the money that your sites could bring you, and ignoring the other 90%?

    Originally Posted by smitty7534 View Post

    I've been creating websites for a couple years now, mainly for extra income, Adsense, Amazon & CB, & recently just added CJ.
    I'm wondering if your sites may look confusing, to some visitors, with lots of different options? (I make a full-time living promoting mostly ClickBank-type products, and wouldn't dream of having AdSense on my sites).

    Originally Posted by smitty7534 View Post

    I've been getting click-throughs to Amazon in the range of 5,000+ each month, but very little sales.
    Very difficult to comment on that startling revelation without seeing your sites and knowing what the traffic sources are. But Amazon conversion-rates are typically pretty high, IF the traffic's targeted ...

    How well targeted/qualified is your traffic?

    Is this search-engine traffic?
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    • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I wonder whether you're attracting floods of traffic and losing it all because you're not building lists, and because of this, you have no sales process but are chasing after about only 10% of the money that your sites could bring you, and ignoring the other 90%?
      I know I need to get into list building, I have the sites I have the traffic, just need to figure out the list building part now.



      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Very difficult to comment on that startling revelation without seeing your sites and knowing what the traffic sources are. But Amazon conversion-rates are typically pretty high, IF the traffic's targeted ...

      How well targeted/qualified is your traffic?

      Is this search-engine traffic?
      I know I need to learn more about this as well. I can pull up the stats from my web hosting, the only thing is I'm not sure what I'm looking at exactly.
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  • Profile picture of the author rooze
    I think your problem may be in the interpretation of your statistics. Take a look at this -


    If you look under monthly total for January you'll see 24619 visits and a daily average of 794.

    This is taken straight from the hosting stats, which is where you mentioned you're getting yours from. The problem is that only around 5% of those stats are REAL people, yep, around 23000 'hits' a month are generated by scripts and bots.

    So you need to get better tracking of your visitors so you can see what's going on. Use Google analytics and you'll see who the real visitors are and what search term they used to land on your site etc.

    If you have real visitors, you can then start to implement changes to your landing pages to steer them in whatever direction you want.

    Knowing that someone landing on a page looking for 'washing machines' allows you to setup that specific page to get a response - perhaps a click to another page or joining your list for 'washing machine people'.
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  • Profile picture of the author steven sanderson
    [QUOTE=smitty7534;5655941]Hello everyone,

    I've been creating websites for a couple years now, mainly for extra income, Adsense, Amazon & CB, & recently just added CJ.


    Hi there

    It is always best to look to create a website to help someone !!!!!

    It will come back to you in time, but look to help instead of having the mindset of looking to make extra income

    All the best
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    • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
      Originally Posted by steven sanderson View Post


      Hi there

      It is always best to look to create a website to help someone !!!!!

      It will come back to you in time, but look to help instead of having the mindset of looking to make extra income

      All the best
      Steven

      Sorry for not clarifying that a bit more. I add free content, articles & videos to my sites for info to help people, but also monetize the site for extra income for myself.

      The mindset of looking to make extra income is just that, to make some extra income, pretty much what everyone wants to do.

      But the sites aren't strictly just come to my site to buy something, there is tons of free info and advice on there as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
    Ok I have been posting replies to this thread just fine and now I just tried to reply again and it tells me I don't have enough posts? ??????
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  • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
    OK so let me try and reply to rooze again without the quote option...

    Yes that's about exactly what my stats look like too... Honestly almost thought you had a snapshot of one of my sites.. lol 20,000 Visits a month isn't real people? That could be my problem, reading 20,000 visits as real people. Bummer, we it's always good to learn new stuff anyway.

    But that doesn't explain the 5,000 clicks through to Amazon each month.
    Bots & scripts too?

    I had Google Analytics setup for some of my sites a while back but read somewhere that Google Analytics was a joke and to forget using it. Maybe I followed some bad advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author rooze
      Originally Posted by smitty7534 View Post

      But that doesn't explain the 5,000 clicks through to Amazon each month.
      Bots & scripts too?
      Probably bots.

      To be honest, I don't deal much with amazon, but a while back I noticed my affiliate account had received over 3000 'visits' without a single sale. I posted on the forum here asking what people thought, and the consensus was that Amazon shows bot-clicks in their stats just like hosting companies.

      If you're using Webalizer with your hosting, click on the month, then click on 'search' at the top. That will give you a broad idea of how many people are finding you through search engines - I've found that to be fairly accurate, within 20% or so. If you click on 'referrers' you'll see websites which send hits your way. That's not entirely reliable but it'll give you some clues as to what's going on.

      Some people are paranoid about using Google analytics and in some cases it might be justified. If you have a network of sites and you're trying to make it look like they're unconnected, then you don't want to connect them together through your analytics account. I don't know if you fall into that category or not. If not, I recommend using it.
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      • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
        Originally Posted by rooze View Post

        Probably bots.

        To be honest, I don't deal much with amazon, but a while back I noticed my affiliate account had received over 3000 'visits' without a single sale. I posted on the forum here asking what people thought, and the consensus was that Amazon shows bot-clicks in their stats just like hosting companies.
        Bummber... But good to finally know


        Originally Posted by rooze View Post

        If you're using Webalizer with your hosting, click on the month, then click on 'search' at the top. That will give you a broad idea of how many people are finding you through search engines - I've found that to be fairly accurate, within 20% or so. If you click on 'referrers' you'll see websites which send hits your way. That's not entirely reliable but it'll give you some clues as to what's going on.
        Yes I am and that's good to know.. That does give me a better picture on what's going on.

        Originally Posted by rooze View Post

        Some people are paranoid about using Google analytics and in some cases it might be justified. If you have a network of sites and you're trying to make it look like they're unconnected, then you don't want to connect them together through your analytics account. I don't know if you fall into that category or not. If not, I recommend using it.
        No that's not an issue, I'll start using it again.

        Thanks much, very helpful info
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Post up a link so we can at least see what were talking about.
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    • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Post up a link so we can at least see what were talking about.
      I don't know what the rules are about posting links to sites here
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    • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
      Originally Posted by Evangeline123 View Post

      I think your problem may be in the interpretation of your statistics. Take a look at this -
      There is nothing there...

      Yes after talking with Rooze I found out the reading of my stats, was how you say.... a bit off..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Ogbin
    Focus in the long-tail keywords because they have a high Online Commercial Intention (OCI). for example suppose that you want to sell "cameras"; there are millions of people type "cameras" this generic word but a very of very small percent that end up buying.

    Let suggest that you want to be more specific, you try to narrow your niche to the "sony" brand keyword but people don't have a big intention to buy. Because "Sony" is also a generic word and people may type "sony" to create a review about the company or browse their website or others. This end up not buying.

    At the end you decide to narrow your niche to sell some models of sony cameras and attract people that type the model of the camera directly such as "Sony Cyber-shot DSC-TX10" or "Sony Cyber-shot DSC-W570" or type "productname buy" "productname features" "productname review" this people that type this keywords have highest rate of buying what you sell in your website. This kind of people called "window shoppers"

    I hope this info help you guys. Thank me if you find this helpful

    Good Luck everybody.
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    • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
      Originally Posted by Mike Ogbin View Post

      Focus in the long-tail keywords because they have a high Online Commercial Intention (OCI).

      At the end you decide to narrow your niche to sell some models of sony cameras and attract people that type the model of the camera directly such as "Sony Cyber-shot DSC-TX10" or "Sony Cyber-shot DSC-W570" or type "productname buy" "productname features" "productname review" this people that type this keywords have highest rate of buying what you sell in your website. This kind of people called "window shoppers"

      I hope this info help you guys. Thank me if you find this helpful

      Good Luck everybody.
      Thanks for the info, that's what I've done with my camera site "sony cyber-shot ... blah, blah" as the keyword and it seems to be working rather well. Well as in the clicks through to Amazon from that site turn out to be the main buyers out of all my sites.

      I just need to tune up and maybe retweak some of my other sites for the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
    I guess since everyone is asking to post a site on here as a reference for people to check out I'll post two of the sites

    discount-camera-products dot com

    yourdatinghq dot com

    Thanks again for all the tips / advice
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      Originally Posted by smitty7534 View Post

      I guess since everyone is asking to post a site on here as a reference for people to check out I'll post two of the sites

      discount-camera-products dot com

      yourdatinghq dot com

      Thanks again for all the tips / advice
      Try including some pictures of the products on the front page of your camera site. It's very bland.

      Also try giving your readers a couple of opportunities to click through to Amazon. For instance you could break up your article and place a hyperlink to amazon with something like: Currently on Sale at Amazon: Click here to Check Price. I'd also hyperlink the product name or some text at the very start of each article.

      If you follow that advice you'll have to both a picture linked to amazon and a text link to amazon for each product that are clickable on the front page of your site.
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      • Profile picture of the author smitty7534
        Originally Posted by Ben Armstrong View Post

        Try including some pictures of the products on the front page of your camera site. It's very bland.
        Well from my understanding, if someone searches for the longtail keyword they should end up here discount-camera-products dot com/blog/sd-hc-8-gb-flash-memory-for-nintendo-wii-console (as an example) and not on my main page anyway.

        But I'm not 100% on all that
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