The title you used sucks... and here is why...

joe.marsh · 08-21-2008, 09:00 PM

That is not what I want to hear from others.

Here is my situation... I have an ebook being created and we are close to release.

BUT, I have no title or sub-title...

How do you decide how to title your newly created products.

Thanks,
Joe

PS... I am serious about this so I will reward the best and most helpful Warrior with a personal copy of the book.... With PLR rights...

Michael Mason · 08-21-2008, 09:16 PM

Think of something original and catchy, yet informative. Maybe have a fairly short title, but a catchy and slightly controversial subtitle. It's hard to make any suggestions since we don't know what the ebook is about. And I'm a newbie, so my advice not be too helpful anyway, lol.

Kat Bartone · 08-21-2008, 09:53 PM

Hi Joe,

I can tell you a little about the kinds of 'triggers' in a headline that capture my interest, as a reader/prospective purchaser.

Here are some triggers for me:

> stuff with numbers: "The Top 10 Ways to..." , "The 7 Most Important Reasons Why..." etc.
> branded terms that are catchy, like Kevin Riley's "Recipes" - love that.
> Some other trigger words/phrases: "How to..." , "...Guide", "...Blueprint", etc.

Hope this helps!

- Kat Bartone

adarwish · 08-21-2008, 09:59 PM

What's the topic?

If you don't want to divulge that, try taking a commonplace phrase and replace a component of it to pique interest. For example, 40-hour work week -> 4 hour work week.

Mike Williams · 08-21-2008, 09:59 PM

If possible use a repeating sound e.g. Coca Cola, M&Ms, Magic Marketing, Bed Bath and Beyond, Super Selling Secrets you get the idea.

A repeating sound sticks in people's brains better and it helps with the branding and word of mouth for your product. A lot of the big corps. use this trick to control our minds

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JeffH · 08-21-2008, 10:05 PM

Tim Ferris said in his book that he tested a few different titles before he came up with '4 Hour Work Week '. Try a few different titles on Adwords and see which one people respond to the best.

Jeff

joe.marsh · 08-21-2008, 10:15 PM

Great ideas...

Everyone..

Thanks Kat, you confirmed my thoughts there.

adarwish, you have me thinking. I can see this being useful.

Mike, your right. Repeating sounds does play a factor and I can see it being used by many large corps.

Keep the ideals flowing everyone... your comments are very useful.

Thanks,
Joe

Ted Curry · 08-21-2008, 10:19 PM

Personally I work backwards.
Title comes first.
Otherwise what are you basing the book on?

DougBarger · 08-21-2008, 10:21 PM

Focus on the Major BIG and ultimate benefit the person who buys your book will experience at some point in the future as a result of using the info you give them.

Remember, it's ALL about them.

Allen Says says (not redundant) to use the word "system" and it will allow you to charge even more for it because it's a system and you'll end up selling more of your system that way.

Hope this helps

Dave Earley · 08-21-2008, 10:37 PM

Personally, I don't like the numbers games, nor the guides as those are all over the place. Titles that stand out, and cause me to second guess something, now that is what gets me to read. Here is an example:

Is Your Diet Making You Fat?

This title would make me wonder if I am wasting my time by doing something that I believe to be very helpful to me.

BTW, I'm sure you could come up with something, you've already demonstrated your ability by the title you chose for this post. That's getting people to read. I wanted to know why my title sucked...or whatever title you were talking about. LOL

Dave

Hardi Wijaya · 08-22-2008, 12:01 AM

Hey Joe,

What about quoting the best inspiring paragraph of the ebook as a title?

If you're really for PLR, you could offer realtime pdf compilation. The buyer's name and other info could be automatically included. It's instant gratification

Hardi

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe.marsh

That is not what I want to hear from others.

Here is my situation... I have an ebook being created and we are close to release.

BUT, I have no title or sub-title...

How do you decide how to title your newly created products.

Thanks,
Joe

PS... I am serious about this so I will reward the best and most helpful Warrior with a personal copy of the book.... With PLR rights...

joe.marsh · 08-22-2008, 03:19 PM

Thanks for the replys everyone...

Ted- I had what I wanted it about and an outline done when it was started. Now I need to decide on the title.

Doug- Thanks... my thoughts also

Dave- It worked, I wondered if the title would do that. Like the title you have I might try that for my next diet product article/book if you dont mind.

Hardi- Good thought on the paragraph idea. I am not sure how the realtime conversion. Are you familar with it.

Thanks,
Joe

Dave Earley · 08-22-2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe.marsh

Dave- It worked, I wondered if the title would do that. Like the title you have I might try that for my next diet product article/book if you dont mind.

Go for it. I had used that title for a video blog, but it got erased accidentally, and I've been unable to find the video I used.

Dave

Hardi Wijaya · 08-23-2008, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe.marsh

Thanks for the replys everyone...

Hardi- Good thought on the paragraph idea. I am not sure how the realtime conversion. Are you familar with it.

Thanks,
Joe

Joe,

I've an inhouse script. But you can it online. Google this "php pdf" without using the quote.

Hardi

Sarah Harvey · 08-23-2008, 06:36 AM

Controversial titles are great- my opinion anyway's.

08-21-2008, 09:00 PM	#1
joe.marsh HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 251 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 16 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	The title you used sucks... and here is why... That is not what I want to hear from others. Here is my situation... I have an ebook being created and we are close to release. BUT, I have no title or sub-title... How do you decide how to title your newly created products. Thanks, Joe PS... I am serious about this so I will reward the best and most helpful Warrior with a personal copy of the book.... With PLR rights...
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Kat Bartone Proud Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Montague MA Posts: 801 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 43 Thanked 21 Times in 20 Posts	Re: The title you used sucks... and here is why... Hi Joe, I can tell you a little about the kinds of 'triggers' in a headline that capture my interest, as a reader/prospective purchaser. Here are some triggers for me: > stuff with numbers: "The Top 10 Ways to..." , "The 7 Most Important Reasons Why..." etc. > branded terms that are catchy, like Kevin Riley's "Recipes" - love that. > Some other trigger words/phrases: "How to..." , "...Guide", "...Blueprint", etc. Hope this helps! - Kat Bartone
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JeffH Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 70 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The title you used sucks... and here is why... Tim Ferris said in his book that he tested a few different titles before he came up with '4 Hour Work Week '. Try a few different titles on Adwords and see which one people respond to the best. Jeff

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joe.marsh HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 251 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 16 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The title you used sucks... and here is why... Great ideas... Everyone.. Thanks Kat, you confirmed my thoughts there. adarwish, you have me thinking. I can see this being useful. Mike, your right. Repeating sounds does play a factor and I can see it being used by many large corps. Keep the ideals flowing everyone... your comments are very useful. Thanks, Joe
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Ted Curry Country Warrior Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Out on the farm - way out. Posts: 62 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The title you used sucks... and here is why... Personally I work backwards. Title comes first. Otherwise what are you basing the book on?
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DougBarger Known, Liked & Trusted War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 3,074 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 304 Thanked 113 Times in 77 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The title you used REIGNS... and here is why... Focus on the Major BIG and ultimate benefit the person who buys your book will experience at some point in the future as a result of using the info you give them. Remember, it's ALL about them. Allen Says says (not redundant) to use the word "system" and it will allow you to charge even more for it because it's a system and you'll end up selling more of your system that way. Hope this helps
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Dave Earley Advanced Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Manhattan, IL Posts: 503 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The title you used REIGNS... and here is why... Personally, I don't like the numbers games, nor the guides as those are all over the place. Titles that stand out, and cause me to second guess something, now that is what gets me to read. Here is an example: Is Your Diet Making You Fat? This title would make me wonder if I am wasting my time by doing something that I believe to be very helpful to me. BTW, I'm sure you could come up with something, you've already demonstrated your ability by the title you chose for this post. That's getting people to read. I wanted to know why my title sucked...or whatever title you were talking about. LOL Dave
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08-22-2008, 03:19 PM	#12
joe.marsh HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 251 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 16 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The title you used sucks... and here is why... Thanks for the replys everyone... Ted- I had what I wanted it about and an outline done when it was started. Now I need to decide on the title. Doug- Thanks... my thoughts also Dave- It worked, I wondered if the title would do that. Like the title you have I might try that for my next diet product article/book if you dont mind. Hardi- Good thought on the paragraph idea. I am not sure how the realtime conversion. Are you familar with it. Thanks, Joe
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