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hey warriors,

I am just curious I have been trying and failing at Im for a year, finally got my first chosen niche to a page one ranking but still only get around 20 unique visitors per day, made two sales which have both had refunds on too.

The reason i ask is that I would like to generate approx $40.000 within the next 10 months to clear all my debt and move to america to start my new life.

So I guess what I really want to know is I am pissing in the wind with this pipe dream or am I better off working two jobs, i have finally reached the point that I am sick and tired of all the lies and hype for systems that do not work or deliver any kind of result.

Any opinions welcome thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

    hey warriors,

    I am just curious I have been trying and failing at Im for a year, finally got my first chosen niche to a page one ranking but still only get around 20 unique visitors per day, made two sales which have both had refunds on too.

    The reason i ask is that I would like to generate approx $40.000 within the next 10 months to clear all my debt and move to america to start my new life.

    So I guess what I really want to know is I am pissing in the wind with this pipe dream or am I better off working two jobs, i have finally reached the point that I am sick and tired of all the lies and hype for systems that do not work or deliver any kind of result.

    Any opinions welcome thanks
    Well you need to figure why you are only getting 40 clicks.

    Is the competition nabbing them all? If so can you get your site ranking better.

    Is the search traffic too low? Then you need to generate interest in your keyword.

    Is your meta description catchy enough? If not, change it (your meta description should include your keyphrase and your solution to their problem, perceived or otherwise)
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

    I am sick and tired of all the lies and hype for systems that do not work or deliver any kind of result.
    Precisely what system are you using?

    I can register a domain and park it and get 20 visitors a day.

    If that's the best you can do, it's not the system. You just plain suck at this.
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    • Profile picture of the author rich7797
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Precisely what system are you using?

      I can register a domain and park it and get 20 visitors a day.

      If that's the best you can do, it's not the system. You just plain suck at this.
      Lol I think you could be onto something I just plain suck at IM, I have tried various backlinking tools and traffic generating tools but nothing works.

      ive had a domian parked for six months not one hit lol
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

        I have tried various backlinking tools and traffic generating tools but nothing works.
        Traffic is like Soylent Green: it's people.

        You are using tools to try and control people.

        Can you guess why this might not work?

        There are a lot of idiots out there saying it's a numbers game, but it's not. It's a relationship game. What are you doing on the social networks?
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        • Profile picture of the author rich7797
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          Traffic is like Soylent Green: it's people.

          You are using tools to try and control people.

          Can you guess why this might not work?

          There are a lot of idiots out there saying it's a numbers game, but it's not. It's a relationship game. What are you doing on the social networks?
          To be honest probably all the wrong things, I use onlywire to auto update all my social networks but looking at the stats this does not bring much traffic, i get more from organic searches
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

            To be honest probably all the wrong things, I use onlywire to auto update all my social networks but looking at the stats this does not bring much traffic, i get more from organic searches
            Let me translate that bold part.

            You completely ignore all your social networks.

            Because a machine is doing it for you.

            Social networks are for developing relationships.

            Which is kind of like making friends.

            Would you let a machine make friends for you?

            Thursday, I released a product. I put up a sales page. I put up on Twitter "hey, I just released this product." I got over 100 hits on the page within 20 minutes.

            And that's with the full admission that I'm selling something on the page.

            I get even more hits when I say "I just published this blog post" or "I just bought this domain."

            Because every single person on my social networks knows that when I say I "just" did something, I'm actually sitting at my computer typing it right that very second. Usually because I just finished uploading or editing what I'm talking about.

            Literally, just finished. As in my upload hits 100% or I click "publish" in WordPress, and I tab over to Twitter or Facebook to say something about it.

            People want to interact with other people. Not with a machine. My audience feels like they are interacting with me by reading my tweet, clicking my link, and looking at the web page. Because even though we're not in the same room, we're looking at the same website and having the same conversation.

            If a machine posted my sales page link, nobody would click it - because they would know I only looked at a bunch of stats and figured out if I tweet that link at this time more people will see it, so I'll get more clicks and more views and if it's a sales page probably more money.

            And nobody wants to have that interaction. Nobody wants a machine to tell them where to go and what to do. Hell, they don't even want a person to do that - so the traditional "call to action" kind of doesn't work on social networks. You open the door and let them walk through, but you can't say "walk through this door" or they'll tell you to go fork yourself.

            Think about it. You're sitting on your computer and a window pops up that says "go do this thing." What do you do?

            You close it. And maybe you go complain about how much you hate that crap. But you sure as hell don't do what it told you to do.
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            • Profile picture of the author rich7797
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              Let me translate that bold part.

              You completely ignore all your social networks.

              Because a machine is doing it for you.

              Social networks are for developing relationships.

              Which is kind of like making friends.

              Would you let a machine make friends for you?

              Thursday, I released a product. I put up a sales page. I put up on Twitter "hey, I just released this product." I got over 100 hits on the page within 20 minutes.

              And that's with the full admission that I'm selling something on the page.

              I get even more hits when I say "I just published this blog post" or "I just bought this domain."

              Because every single person on my social networks knows that when I say I "just" did something, I'm actually sitting at my computer typing it right that very second. Usually because I just finished uploading or editing what I'm talking about.

              Literally, just finished. As in my upload hits 100% or I click "publish" in WordPress, and I tab over to Twitter or Facebook to say something about it.

              People want to interact with other people. Not with a machine. My audience feels like they are interacting with me by reading my tweet, clicking my link, and looking at the web page. Because even though we're not in the same room, we're looking at the same website and having the same conversation.

              If a machine posted my sales page link, nobody would click it - because they would know I only looked at a bunch of stats and figured out if I tweet that link at this time more people will see it, so I'll get more clicks and more views and if it's a sales page probably more money.

              And nobody wants to have that interaction. Nobody wants a machine to tell them where to go and what to do. Hell, they don't even want a person to do that - so the traditional "call to action" kind of doesn't work on social networks. You open the door and let them walk through, but you can't say "walk through this door" or they'll tell you to go fork yourself.

              Think about it. You're sitting on your computer and a window pops up that says "go do this thing." What do you do?

              You close it. And maybe you go complain about how much you hate that crap. But you sure as hell don't do what it told you to do.
              Huh your right no social interaction, i havw spent so long on trying to get other things nearly right i forgot about quite possibly the most important thing, gaining trust from social networks.

              Ok im going to write an action plan and forget automation for now, thanks for the kick in the ass you could be onto something
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              • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

                Huh your right no social interaction, i havw spent so long on trying to get other things nearly right i forgot about quite possibly the most important thing, gaining trust from social networks.
                More food for thought.

                1. Everyone says "the money's in the list."

                2. Social networks are also lists.

                3. Forums are also social networks.

                Whatever your niche may happen to be, the single most important thing you can do is build a list in it.

                And the fastest way to do that is to express your interest in that niche on social networks.

                These networks make it their business to show you ads and recommend groups and even suggest friends that relate to that niche. This can give you a brand new window into your niche that leads you towards other networks and communities (lists) that relate to it.

                Once you find a community in that niche, get into it, get involved, and make yourself known. That's just a matter of saying things people remember.

                Once they know you, get them to like you. All you have to do for that is honestly give a crap about your niche and the people in it.

                Once they like you, get them to trust you. And all you have to do to earn trust is be honest.

                At that point, you've got a whole community of people ready to jump on whatever fan page you set up and "Like" it, to race over to your squeeze page and join your mailing list, even to run click "Buy Now" on your sales pages.

                The only catch is that you actually have to give a crap. Which means helping people out for free, just because you actually care whether they succeed.
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                • Profile picture of the author rich7797
                  Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                  More food for thought.

                  1. Everyone says "the money's in the list."

                  2. Social networks are also lists.

                  3. Forums are also social networks.

                  Whatever your niche may happen to be, the single most important thing you can do is build a list in it.

                  And the fastest way to do that is to express your interest in that niche on social networks.

                  These networks make it their business to show you ads and recommend groups and even suggest friends that relate to that niche. This can give you a brand new window into your niche that leads you towards other networks and communities (lists) that relate to it.

                  Once you find a community in that niche, get into it, get involved, and make yourself known. That's just a matter of saying things people remember.

                  Once they know you, get them to like you. All you have to do for that is honestly give a crap about your niche and the people in it.

                  Once they like you, get them to trust you. And all you have to do to earn trust is be honest.

                  At that point, you've got a whole community of people ready to jump on whatever fan page you set up and "Like" it, to race over to your squeeze page and join your mailing list, even to run click "Buy Now" on your sales pages.

                  The only catch is that you actually have to give a crap. Which means helping people out for free, just because you actually care whether they succeed.
                  Im going to give it a try starting with facebook ill let you know how i get on after the weekend thanks for your help
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      • Profile picture of the author dillon5
        Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

        Lol I think you could be onto something I just plain suck at IM, I have tried various backlinking tools and traffic generating tools but nothing works.

        ive had a domian parked for six months not one hit lol
        this doesnt always mean you suck. dont stick with just one niche. change things up and keep doing that until you find somthing that works. from what ive been reading it seems like youve just been doing the same thing hoping for somthing to happen. 2+2 is always going to equal 4, in your case you have to find the equation that make 40.000.
        Good luck man
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  • Profile picture of the author rich7797
    Thanks davejug1 ill take a look im not sure if i have changed the meat since i started the site last year, it is a gambling site too which has extremely high competition
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    • Profile picture of the author davejug1
      Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

      Thanks davejug1 ill take a look im not sure if i have changed the meat since i started the site last year, it is a gambling site too which has extremely high competition
      Well the first thing I would do in your circumstances is make sure your product rocks. Two refunds from two sales is about as bad as it gets.

      You could get a million visitors and sell a thousand units but if they all get refunded, what's the point?
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      • Profile picture of the author rich7797
        Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

        Well the first thing I would do in your circumstances is make sure your product rocks. Two refunds from two sales is about as bad as it gets.

        You could get a million visitors and sell a thousand units but if they all get refunded, what's the point?
        would you care to shed some light on finding a product that rocks think you could be onto something I feel i niche change coming on lol
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    No we are all just here to waste time
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  • Profile picture of the author Jetmir
    You haven't done that much testing to conclude that this won't work.

    You need way more traffic to get sales and it depends in MANY factors like, your sales page, the product value, etc.

    Making money online is REALLY possible, so do not give up that easily.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author willay
    Better off working two jobs??? Are you kidding me?? Isn't one job bad enough. Would you like working two jobs? I don't think you would. So get your ass in gear and make an online business for yourself. You only fail when you quit. Winners don't quit, success is the only option.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by willay View Post

      Would you like working two jobs? I don't think you would.
      I worked two jobs for twenty years: my day job, usually at some corporation or other, and my own business on the side. Since I usually quite liked both of my jobs, it wasn't that bad.

      I have noticed that people who rail against how awful any job is tend not to be college educated or have any significant skills. And it's true: if you are an unskilled or semi-skilled person, jobs suck. I hated working in sales, tech support, service stations, restaurants, construction, cleaning, moving, and hospitals.

      But then I got some damn education, put on a shirt and tie, and got my first full-time salaried white-collar position.

      Whole different world. So you know, stay in school, and crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author rich7797
      Originally Posted by willay View Post

      Better off working two jobs??? Are you kidding me?? Isn't one job bad enough. Would you like working two jobs? I don't think you would. So get your ass in gear and make an online business for yourself. You only fail when you quit. Winners don't quit, success is the only option.

      If it came to it i would happily work two jobs i enjoy what i do professionally and have done for 15 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamus McKenna
    Rich,

    Try focusing on your customers needs and how you can HELP them. (Yes we are all in this game for the money but if you focus on money you don't get any!)

    I always recommend doing something you enjoy rather than something that makes money as it then becomes your driving force, if you really want only the latter I recommend getting a job.

    Cheers,

    Jamus
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  • Profile picture of the author temlawn
    Does IM really work
    Yes.

    Patience, Persistence, Desire to succeed, Action, More action, and More action will lead to $$ - You may not see the money right off the bat., but plant your seeds now, have a little patience, and watch your garden grow

    You might just be surprised what you get.

    and get that question out of your Head - "Does it work.."

    Put in your head - "It's going to work" - "It will work" - "It does work"
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamus McKenna
    Rich,

    One other thing I forgot to mention: Successful Internet Marketers expect to "fail". This is not the desired outcome but they are battle hardened to understand their first attempt isn't going to be their best work and to keep going!

    As Dillion says, change thing up. Test the hell out of everything and move towards what works and move away from what doesn't.

    Then you are moving toward becoming a great marketer.

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author rich7797
      Originally Posted by Jamus McKenna View Post

      Rich,

      One other thing I forgot to mention: Successful Internet Marketers expect to "fail". This is not the desired outcome but they are battle hardened to understand their first attempt isn't going to be their best work and to keep going!

      As Dillion says, change thing up. Test the hell out of everything and move towards what works and move away from what doesn't.

      Then you are moving toward becoming a great marketer.

      Cheers,

      Jamus
      Thanks mate, im just throwing an action plan together now, Im going to drop all the automated stuff and focus on one step at a time if if dont get results ill move onto the next lol

      thanks for the advice
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Take a look at how you're monetising the site. Are you promising the people something the product is not delivering on? That's usually the reason why people cancel. Are you selling a make money product if you are not making money on it yourself? That could be another reason. Try putting some Adsense and CPA on your site. Build a few more sites and move them to the top of the search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    rich7797 said
    Thanks mate, im just throwing an action plan together now, Im going to drop all the automated stuff and focus on one step at a time if if dont get results ill move onto the next lol
    An action plan thrown together sometimes can be worse than no plan at all. Think about it and put it together the right way. Your results will be more satisfying for you.

    Building a relationship does take time and work. Please don't expect major results overnight.

    One thing you might consider, is showing your real name here on this forum and in your profile on the social media sites. I think they charge $5.00 to do that. However don't do it if you don't want your boss, family and friends knowing you want to come to America by the end of the year.

    Now here is a thought for possibly hitting your 40K by the end of the year. Come up with a 'service' you can do for other people on line. Is your current profession experience something you could do for other people and would they be willing to pay for that service?

    Ultimately IM works and then some in my opinion.

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    • Profile picture of the author wilsonljx
      If you think that you have put in all your best effort and there are still no results then you should move back one step to see what you have done wrong.After that,make some changes from your previous strategy and then take action.

      Internet marketing do works but it is not easy to succeed and achieve a high passive income since there were so much people doing it and the competitive level is really high.Having strong passion to give value to people is really a must to become successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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    Look at what you are doing now. Why isn't it working? When you know, you can fix it.

    Take a look at what the successful people are doing and mimic them. IM really isn't that hard. Just takes a huge amount of work, more than most people are willing to give.
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  • Profile picture of the author temlawn
    If you think that you have put in all your best effort and there are still no results then you should move back one step to see what you have done wrong.After that,make some changes from your previous strategy and then take action.
    There is an experienced IM'er for you.... Nice job
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I think you should continue to do internet marketing, and put yourself on a daily marketing plan. This way, you know ahead what you will need to be doing everyday in your business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Caliban is absolutely right in everything he's saying.

      Unfortunately, all of the "Make money on autopilot" junk out there gives people the mistaken impression that they really can run a complete business on autopilot.

      That's absolutely false. On the Internet, you CAN automate a lot of things. But one thing you can't put on autopilot is relationships. You need a relationship with your customers, your potential JV partners and even vendors.

      You haven't said how you're trying to make money. But if you think that getting to the top of Google is the Holy Grail and you'll automatically make money after that, you're mistaken.

      Yes, you want to rank as high in the search engines as possible. But there are dozens and DOZENS of ways to drive traffic that have nothing to do with SEO or Google. In fact, my personal goal is to make my business as independent of Google and SEO as possible. Google is just too fickle. I need STABILITY in my business.

      That said, WHAT BUSINESS ARE YOU IN? Do you even know?

      Clarity is a HUGE part of IM success.

      IM is actually pretty simple: you can sell only one of two things:

      1. Products
      2. Services

      That's it!

      And selling products or services online happens in the same basic way for everyone, no matter what they're selling:

      Traffic > Opt-in page > Autoresponder series (or e-zine) > Sales page

      That's it! It's just that simple. (We IMers tend to overcomplicate things.)

      But no matter what your niche is, or whether you're selling a product or a service, do you know what your business model is?

      A business model is the framework or skeleton of your business. Essentially there are three types of online business models:

      1. Membership-based model

      A membership-based business model allows you to build a community of people (your members) who are as passionate about your subject as you are. Your membership fees can be monthly or annual, but either way, you're building recurring, passive income.

      There are a lot of resources and information out there to help you build a membership-based business if you're interested in doing this.

      2. Product-based model

      Selling products allows you to maximize your time and effort by selling items over and over again. This can be hard goods or it can be information products. Information marketing is it's own business model under the product-based model. Information marketing allows you to take your brain to the bank by creating a product ONCE based on what you know and selling it over and over again.

      Affiliate marketing falls under both models. You can choose to market either products or services as an affiliate.

      3. Service-based model

      Selling services can be great for 1) generating quick cash (as in the case of article writing or video producing) and 2) establishing your expertise and getting testimonials.

      However, in the long run, your goal should be to offer services at a PREMIUM. The biggest advantage of IM is LEVERAGE. You're able to leverage your time, money and expertise exponentially online. We all have just 24 hours each day. Time to get ruthless about what you expect for those hours you spend in IM each day. Expect more of yourself and more from your business friends, clients, partners, etc.

      What results are you getting for those hours you spend online each day? Ultimately, your services should be at the bottom of your funnel and cost the most since they involve your time and personal attention. (We all have a limited amount of time each day.)

      The fun (and confusion) comes in with all of the endless mix-and-match possibilities of the above models. If you're just starting or still struggling to make money, keep it simple:

      Pick just ONE!

      1. Pick ONE niche. (Something you're interested in and know something about.)

      2. Pick ONE target market for your product or service. (Who will buy what you're offering? The more specific you are, the more you narrow it down, the more successful you'll be.)

      3. Pick ONE business model.

      Now that you're clear about what business you're in, FOCUS! (And stop buying any info not related to your niche and target market, period!)

      F -- Follow
      O -- One
      C -- Course
      U -- Until
      S -- Successful

      And remember: build a list, Build a List, BUILD A LIST!

      In IM, it's easy to put the cart before the horse. Take a deep breath, step back and consider what type of business you're REALLY want. Don't worry about getting traffic or buying that expensive traffic product until you know 1) what your business model is, 2) what niche you're in and 3) WHO your target market is!

      Successful business people will tell you that MARKETING is more than half the effort that's needed for success anyway. So pick a niche, target market and business model. Then spend most of your time and effort marketing it.

      If you DON'T have a solid plan or system, THAT'S when it's hard. A good system will shave YEARS (and save you big $$$) off of your learning curve

      That's why I recommend investing in at least one good, comprehensive IM course (or mentor who will give you such a system) instead of jumping from one $37 e-book to the next. A lot of people here complain about not being able to make any money. But neither are they willing to invest in their business. (Buying a random bunch of $37 e-books doesn't count.)

      The best thing I ever did was invest in a comprehensive IM course aimed at REAL business owners, not just other IM wannabes. Yes it was $1500. (It's no longer available.) But it was truly some of the best A-Z IM info I ever bought. Everything else I've learned (from the $37 e-books) since has simply been plugged into this system.

      Get a solid plan or system and then work the plan!

      Hope this helps!

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      • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
        P.S. Yes, IM works.

        My mentors are multimillionaires who have Internet-based businesses.

        Check them out:

        1. Ali Brown -- AliBrown.com
        2. Sheri McConnell -- SmartWomenInstitute.com
        3. Carrie Wilkerson -- Barefoot-Executive.com

        They've all made millions of dollars online.

        The key is having a business model, a niche and a target market and then FOCUSING until you start bringing in consistent income.

        I've dabbled a lot online and made a couple thousand dollars (over a LOT of time and very inconsistently). I've FINALLY settled on a permanent business model, niche and target market and, although I'm still just in pre-launch, have already brought in a couple hundred dollars ($254 to be exact).

        Hope that helps!

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  • Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

    So I guess what I really want to know is I am pissing in the wind with this pipe dream
    If you are not making enough money from IM (and let's be honest, who isn't) then it is either due to you not getting enough of the right traffic, or you are not converting your traffic.

    To give you an example, I have a product converting at about 8% at the moment. That means that for every 100 people that see it, 8 of them buy it.
    At the moment though, I'm only getting about 10 visitors a day to that product so averaging just over 1 sale a day.
    My job now is to work out how to get 1,000 people to see that each and every day. If I can do that, I would be making close to 80 sales a day!

    Of course that is just one of my products, but that in a nutshell is IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author sukusin
    Getting business from Internet is not only high ranked google placement or a good looking website raffic coming daily... It is a combination of all the basic efoofrts of marketing. Good google rank brings vsitor to your site, landing page structure with ease of getting all informations at one glance make the visior to stay on page. Product Interpretaion, cometitive rate, flexible and safe payment and delivery terms forces visitor to buy the product and finally a good delivery makes the buyer happy and converts him to a returning buyer. I believe in basics.. and that is what I suggested here
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  • I first looked at the title of this thread and thought - if IM doesn't work then would this forum even exist? lol

    Well truth be told, I've been struggling at this game for over a year and haven't seen a single dollar until recently. It's pretty much like growing a garden (much like almost any business). You gotta plant seeds. Keep watering and nuturing those seeds. You will keep working on them and see absolutely no result for a little while. But once the seeds grow past the soil, watch the plants grow like mad.

    Yes it does work. I'm not gonna show you full clickbank screenshots full of '000s and '000s of commissions or anything but I tell you what, the plants are starting to grow.

    Just stay consistent and always keep learning (especially in the ever-changing game of IM) the latest strategies and keep building relationships online. And don't. freaking. give. up.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProScribe
    IM is really only a set of methods and techniques rather than any particular business model.

    I think the confusion arises because of the Make Money Online products that sell information about how to do just that.

    I think that thing that is important is to take the information that you learn on places like WF, and work out how to apply that to your own particular business which could be anything from running an eCommerce site to Blogging to selling books on Amazon to trading on eBay.

    And quite obviously people make a lot of money doing all of the things mentioned above and much more.
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    • Originally Posted by ProScribe View Post

      IM is really only a set of methods and techniques rather than any particular business model.

      I think the confusion arises because of the Make Money Online products that sell information about how to do just that.

      I think that thing that is important is to take the information that you learn on places like WF, and work out how to apply that to your own particular business which could be anything from running an eCommerce site to Blogging to selling books on Amazon to trading on eBay.

      And quite obviously people make a lot of money doing all of the things mentioned above and much more.
      Yeah you have a point there. I guess IM isn't exactly an actual 'business'. It's just a set of ways to market a business or some sort of passion. IM is more of a practice or a skillset that you apply rather than as you say, a business model with a corporate structure, etc.

      I actually like looking at IM as a martial art. There are various moves, techniques and methods that you gotta train every day, refine, and master them like any art form. You can't expect to master a punch in one day and then expect to kill a hundred guys the next day. Nor can anyone just set up one PPC ad and write one article and then be financially free for the rest of time (although it would be a sweet fantasy lol) either.
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  • Profile picture of the author jucbad
    Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

    hey warriors,

    I am just curious I have been trying and failing at Im for a year, finally got my first chosen niche to a page one ranking but still only get around 20 unique visitors per day, made two sales which have both had refunds on too.

    The reason i ask is that I would like to generate approx $40.000 within the next 10 months to clear all my debt and move to america to start my new life.

    So I guess what I really want to know is I am pissing in the wind with this pipe dream or am I better off working two jobs, i have finally reached the point that I am sick and tired of all the lies and hype for systems that do not work or deliver any kind of result.

    Any opinions welcome thanks
    Hi,

    Im definitely works, but nor overnight. It's a process and there is a lot to put in place for the best result.
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  • I had the same problem what helped me is a coach not sure if that will help you but I did that. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author xXLewisXx
    Of course it does, you've just got to be good, why else would sites like these exist?
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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    I mentor a lot of beginners, and many of them come online to make money. I must say that it's a smart move, but it's not enough to actually create a real income. Even if you make a few thousand dollars online, if you don't know what you are doing, you will end up lost and frustrated.

    It's important to understand how to run a business. This is really, really important. An entrepreneur never ask things such as "how I will make money" "When..." because he already know his market and know that it's profitable. All he does is following a plan.

    Take care,
    Franck
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  • Profile picture of the author MBDirect
    Like jucbad says, it's a process. And there's a lot to it. It works if you work your head off learning the basics A to Z, and you find a program that's been proven to work not only by the seller but by his users, and you then work your head off getting trained in that program, and you then work your head off implementing it. Knowing how to get adequate traffic is of course the biggest challenge, not to mention getting visitors to stick and having an offer that they'll pay for Second only to those challenges is finding tool and system vendors you can trust and products that do as advertised. The Internet is abundant with both opportunity and crooks.

    Best of everything,
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  • Profile picture of the author Hayley McKeever
    Hey. I know exactly how you feel. I've spent the last 4 years looking into starting my own IM business and only recently found exactly what I've been looking for in a coaching & mentoring company teaching you everything you need to know about how to build an IM business step by step. Previously I've wasted about £700 on different e-books, home study courses & websites, so I know what I'm talking about! Look, whatever you decide, check out my site and see what you think. It's doesn't cost you anything to find out more - you won't regret it! Good luck for the future, whatever you decide to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author NACAdam
    practice makes perfect bro.. Keep refining your skills learning and implementing ( strike a balance between the to ) keep a positive mental attitude and what ever you do get validation from your results not from this forum
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  • Profile picture of the author mc9320
    Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

    hey warriors,

    I am just curious I have been trying and failing at Im for a year, finally got my first chosen niche to a page one ranking but still only get around 20 unique visitors per day, made two sales which have both had refunds on too.

    The reason i ask is that I would like to generate approx $40.000 within the next 10 months to clear all my debt and move to america to start my new life.

    So I guess what I really want to know is I am pissing in the wind with this pipe dream or am I better off working two jobs, i have finally reached the point that I am sick and tired of all the lies and hype for systems that do not work or deliver any kind of result.

    Any opinions welcome thanks
    I've been doing IM for a few months and also find it frustrating. I have a couple of suggestions though..

    What sort of products are you selling? If you're an affiliate, look at selling other products which are selling better and have better customer feedback

    Use this forum to find out some really useful advice on IM. It seems every week I'm finding out something important here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Usmile
    Originally Posted by rich7797 View Post

    hey warriors,

    I am just curious I have been trying and failing at Im for a year, finally got my first chosen niche to a page one ranking but still only get around 20 unique visitors per day, made two sales which have both had refunds on too.

    The reason i ask is that I would like to generate approx $40.000 within the next 10 months to clear all my debt and move to america to start my new life.

    So I guess what I really want to know is I am pissing in the wind with this pipe dream or am I better off working two jobs, i have finally reached the point that I am sick and tired of all the lies and hype for systems that do not work or deliver any kind of result.

    Any opinions welcome thanks
    Maybe due to lack of effective marketing strategies and sales system. If you don't mind can you share us the things that you do, so that we can give you suggestions/advises. Warriors are very please to stress their opinions for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    No IM is crap.

    IM is B.S.

    and most of all I.M does NOT work. Do not engage in it.

    *Dusts off hands* phew...thank the good lord, there goes one of my competitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author surferchris
    Do more research, create a product or solution that would attract the right clients for you. Just keep your focus, and work on a niche that suits your interests and is in demand as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Clay
    IM works well especially if you are really talented at developing software. Are you brave enough to go the route of a computer scientist / marketer?
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  • Profile picture of the author nickdamodda
    Nope, IM is a scam. All of those billions spent a year are bs.
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