Not Another Damn "Offline" Money Making Thread!!

[Andrei Rotariu]

Yes, this is another one.

But....

This one is highly profitable and even easier then any other displayed on this forum so far!!!

Its sooo easy my grandma could do it.

Here are the steps;

1. Make a list of business's(NO they dont require a website, REPEAT No they dont require a website!)
2. Offer them a guaranteed FIRST page google local listing for only $50.00
3. Set it up for them HERE: https://www.google.com/accounts/Serv...hl=en-US&gl=US

Thats it!

Dont think it works? Well dont knock it till you try it. Here are my 2 simple reasons why it will work.

Reason #1: Small business's spend thousands for yellow pages online listings that dont do jack for them(they all hate yellow pages)

Reason #2: Here is a company who is already dong it: Google Local Search Listing Registration Service :: Ireckon Web Marketing, Brisbane Australia

Google local listings is fairly new and its something im only just starting to experiment with. Some things i have noted already are. Its easy to use, its free, and most of the time you end up on page 1.

p.s. when i said to offer them a guaranteed page one listing i did mean it. If you use correct key words and add as much info as you can the chances are very high that you will end up on page one. If not well then be prepared to give them their money back

p.s. I use this for my new blog sshhhhh

[AndrewCavanagh]

I'm not really fond of this idea for 2 reasons:

# 1: You should really be focusing on helping the businesses you work with make real sales and profits...not on a service that may or may not be valuable to them.

In other words you should be finding a customized solution that really serves them.

I'm not saying that doing this would be bad for a business but going in with any preconceived idea of a specific service you're going to sell instead of finding out what a business owner really wants and needs is really not a great strategy in this business model.


# 2: The effort you'll have to put in to get these businesses as clients simply won't be worth the $50 you charge. This is chump change.

Someone with more than 3 months internet marketing experience could help a small business find a solution that would make them real profits, implement it and charge $1,000 to $3,000+ for the service.

Using what you suggest here you'd have to find 50 clients to make your first $1,000 instead of making that from your first or second client.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

[Andyhenry]

I don't like this idea because.....

You're encouraging people to expect to end up on the first page of Google.

That's already the cause of much disappointment when people needing help only look for an answer that starts with 'guaranteed Google first place'.

It's not something you can promise anyway so it's a blatant lie and also deludes people into expecting it.

Andy

[AndrewCavanagh]

Originally Posted by ArthurRose

The problem with offline methods here at WF is that they all focus mostly around one subject, niche.

Er I don't think you could have seen too many of the threads or products.

Only a tiny percentage talk about niche marketing at all.

You're right though.

There are endless ways to both market your services to businesses and to help businesses make more sales and profits using internet marketing.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

[Paul M]

This Idea wouldn't be worth it...

For one, I cant see any profit....after spending your time collecting the list, contacting
that list and doing the job your offering you really wont be making anything. You would
be better off with a 9-5 job.

Second, am not sure your clients would be too happy when they find out all you did
was submit them to a free Google service.





-paul

[Andrei Rotariu]

I think all you dudes ate some of the same cake...

The point to my OP was that for a little time and almost no excerted energy anyone can make 50 bucks and actually provide value to a small business.

If im a pool cleaner and i pay a dude 50 bucks to put my name in my towns local google listing and i even get 1 job a month for it then by even the first job i have already made a profit!

p.s. if you dont understand that this is an add on to other offline strategies then ill kindly ask that you stick your head up your ass and search for your brain.

no worries.

[NewbiesDiary]

if you look at that site in Brisbane they are showing themselves on page one for the search term 'seo brisbane' - I'm in Brisbane and when I google that term that company is nowhere to be seen on page one - just thought that was amusing.

[NewbiesDiary]

Originally Posted by GoinDeep

I think all you dudes ate some of the same cake...

p.s. if you dont understand that this is an add on to other offline strategies then ill kindly ask that you stick your head up your ass and search for your brain.

no worries.

Mate - I dont think that was too kindly!

[MRomeo09]

It's not that it won't work. I always add google local for my businesses. The point is, I won't get out of bed for less than $2,000, and I don't think you should either.

One of the problems is that it seems a little deceptive to people. They don't get what you're trying to do. And from being in this field for over 3 years, let me tell you they get these kinds of BS offers all the time. Many small businesses may get this type of marketing at least 2-3 times a month, lots of BS SEO companies who will get you ranked for "one time emergency pool cleaning service in melbourne australia", but ONLY for that exact search phrase.

I'm not saying YOUR offer is BS. But, rather that it kind of fits in with what people already see all the time. You need to differentiate yourself. Plus, I think you could charge $500 as an add-on for this type of work, because it's not always automatic.

For myself the best part of what I've gotten from Andrew and others is being flexible. Getting to know your customers, and asking them what THEY want and then finding a way to deliver it. I struggled for years when I tried to hammer everyone with my square peg. Everyone got the SEO deal, no matter what they really, really wanted.

And lastly, it's not people peeing in your wheaties, instead its people with experience sharing their experience. It's already hard enough getting clients. You'll spend well over the $50 you'll receive in doing direct mail this way, I'd be willing to bet my dog on it, and I love this dog.

Anyway good luck.

Marcos

[Micheal Perkins]

I like the idea, and I think it is providing value to the customer. What i think many on this forum fail to do when talking about servicing offline businesses, is they fail to think like an offline business.

Offline businesses have a different philosophy for the most part. They all see the same traditional ways to advertise, and don't understand much outside of that box. It's our job to educate them and help them out when we start working with them.

They will spend hundreds, to the low thousands for a listing in the yellow pages. They know this does not get them much business, but what else are they to do. Their competitors are doing it, so why shouldn't they?

They view it, and rightly so, that if someone is looking in the yellow pages for their service and they are not there, their competitors are going to get 100% more business than they will from that listing. Same theory applies here. So there is a value to them.

I see this as a way to get in the door to offer other services that you charge for. If they are having a hard time saying now, you could offer to get them in this listing for free. Let them know this is a service that you would normally charge $50 for, but you will do it for free for them. Then ask them if you were to do that and get them on page 1, if they would consider hiring you for your other service.

Then you have provided them a service that in their eyes will most likely have a big value. You have proven that you know what you are talking about, and can do what you say you will do.

[NewbiesDiary]

Originally Posted by Micheal Perkins

I like the idea, and I think it is providing value to the customer. What i think many on this forum fail to do when talking about servicing offline businesses, is they fail to think like an offline business.

Offline businesses have a different philosophy for the most part. They all see the same traditional ways to advertise, and don't understand much outside of that box. It's our job to educate them and help them out when we start working with them.

They will spend hundreds, to the low thousands for a listing in the yellow pages. They know this does not get them much business, but what else are they to do. Their competitors are doing it, so why shouldn't they?

They view it, and rightly so, that if someone is looking in the yellow pages for their service and they are not there, their competitors are going to get 100% more business than they will from that listing. Same theory applies here. So there is a value to them.

I see this as a way to get in the door to offer other services that you charge for. If they are having a hard time saying now, you could offer to get them in this listing for free. Let them know this is a service that you would normally charge $50 for, but you will do it for free for them. Then ask them if you were to do that and get them on page 1, if they would consider hiring you for your other service.

Then you have provided them a service that in their eyes will most likely have a big value. You have proven that you know what you are talking about, and can do what you say you will do.

I think you're missing the point - you are looking for ways to sell them a service, to get them to hire you, to get in the door.

How about what you can do for them, what do they need for their business, what will help them get more customers.

If you go in genuinely wanting to help the business then the money will automatically follow. If you go in looking for a sale or to get a certain amount of money you come across as a desperate sales person trying to flog a system that profits you rather than wanting to genuinely help the business.

There's a big difference and the business owner knows it, they can feel it.

You have to give before you can receive!

[Andrei Rotariu]

Originally Posted by NewbiesDiary

Mate - I dont think that was too kindly!

Of course not pinky.

[Andrei Rotariu]

Originally Posted by NewbiesDiary

I think you're missing the point - you are looking for ways to sell them a service, to get them to hire you, to get in the door.

How about what you can do for them, what do they need for their business, what will help them get more customers.

If you go in genuinely wanting to help the business then the money will automatically follow. If you go in looking for a sale or to get a certain amount of money you come across as a desperate sales person trying to flog a system that profits you rather than wanting to genuinely help the business.

There's a big difference and the business owner knows it, they can feel it.

You have to give before you can receive!

Michael is right. These dudes that are offline think like something that is soooo alien to us. I worked for yellow pages online. I worked for dozens of small business owners too. Concreters, plasterers, restaurants, tilers, security firms, removalists...

So look at it how you want to look at it.

BUt if you arrive and say hey i can do all these magical things for you at a cost of $500.00 bucks most of them will tell you to piss off. However offer some of them some smaller, cheaper alternatives, they take them, you show them it works. And later you can pitch the bigger more expensive service.

As i said most of these folk barely understand what the internet is! I once had a lady give me her email address when i asked for her website. She then argued with me that this was her website

And again. STOP looking at it like its the only thing you offer.

Ill put my money and my reputation down RIGHT NOW if anyone is willing to make a bet? Ill bet anyone here that if we take two small business's with almost no internet promotion in the same town and we promote their sites that i can get better results thatn you!??

I know how small business percieves the internet, i know what they will pay and what they wont pay, and i know what works for them. This one little thing is an open doorway to helping them grow their business and in turn yours!

I must admit that i think its soooo funy how different marketers think. We are all different and thats the great thing. But just because an approach is different doesnt mean it wont work. In fact its probably the opposite!