New to Affiliate Marketing Need Help

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Hi,

I am new to Affiliate marketing, but i am a good at seo. I recently got into Clickbank. I have choosen one good product with good gravity. Then i started making my own site and building links and got #4 position in Google. Then also i had no sales from clickbank. Though the gravity is good. I have no idea why i am unable to generate sales. Then i thought maybe increasing my search engine position will get me success. Then i step into Adwords and setup a campaign and got #1 position for 1 day. I lost most of my money in Adwords but returned with no sales. Now i dont have a clue on what to do. I tried all of my possible ways to get a single sale. But no luck for me.

And now i left with some doubts here. I think you guys can help me.

1. How to choose the right product from clickbank which will convert good? As
i am good at SEO i can rank any site to top. So i need good converting or atleast products that will sale.
2. Does High gravity means, the product will convert very well?
3. How many hops should i generate in order to get a single sale? Is it 100's or 1000's? Is there any tool in clickbank that will tells the conversion rate?

Please help me Guys..I am in great need of your support.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Norman
    Hey mate,

    I suggest that the best method for affiliate marketing is to build a list. Once you gain trust from your subscriber and give them valuable information, they will buy from you. Whilst you can get affiliate sales without building a list, it can be a lot harder, particularly in certain niches. Just because a product has a high gravity doesn't necessarily mean that it will convert well (it could have thousands of people visiting and not buying). Look for products with high gravity that have sold consistently over a long timespan.
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    • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
      Clickbank affiliate links don't seem to work. People change them or they've already been cookied to death so your link isn't the one that gets credit for the sale. I don't know any of that for sure but the signs are all there.

      What category of products are you interested in reselling? Instead of affilate marketing, why don't you become a reseller and contact manufacturers of whatever you want to sell, get the wholesale cost and make sure you get paid for all your sales because those affiliate links are just not reliable enough for all the work it takes just to get one sale.
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      • Profile picture of the author Val Wilson
        You could have several problems. The copy on your site might not be good enough to convert visitors. Are you preselling whatever it is you are trying to promote effectively? Have you a clear call to action? If you check the analytics section in your Clickbank account, you will see how many people clicked through to the sales page (the number of hops).

        Are you targeting the right keywords? Position 4 in Google for what keyword? A keyword where people are just looking for information will have poor conversions compared to a 'buying' keyword.

        Gravity is not a good indicator of conversions - see this post by Alexa Smith http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post3833269

        For tips on how to select a good product, see another gem by Alexa here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932

        Originally Posted by thriftgirl62 View Post

        Clickbank affiliate links don't seem to work. People change them or they've already been cookied to death so your link isn't the one that gets credit for the sale. I don't know any of that for sure but the signs are all there.
        If they are set up properly, Clickbank links do work. Just click on your link, go through to the prder page & scroll to the bottom, and if you see your clickbank nickname, then your link is working. If not, you have not set it up properly. And there is no such thing as 'cookied to death' - Clickbank policy is that the last affiliate link clicked is the one that gets credit for the sale.

        Whatever you do, don't give up - with your SEO skills, you have a great head start & could make very a good income promoting Clickbank products. You just need a little fine tuning.
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  • Profile picture of the author tim_buchalka
    Right there you have started out wrong!

    You should never start internet marketing looking for a product to promote.

    Focus on your skills and what you can offer - in other words pick a niche you can offer some value in and start writing and get some content out - Once you are on a bit of a roll then (and only then) start looking at content.

    Pretty well the guaranteed way to fail in IM is to start looking for a product that "converts well". It pretty well sets you up for failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ray Wilson
    The best advice from me to you is: focus on one thing, become an expert at it.

    It looks to me that you're making the same mistakes I and others made when starting out. Working with too many traffic strategies is a very bad thing, and paid traffic like Adwords is a no-no for a newbie affiliate, unless you have much money to spend.

    After you have chosen the niche you want to be an expert in, then you can create your bribe (free report, free ebook), give it away to your subscribers.

    And then you can start looking for products to promote through Clickbank. Because nobody will buy from you, unless they trust you already. They have been given a lot of value before.

    -Ray Wilson
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

    1. How to choose the right product from clickbank which will convert good?
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932

    Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

    2. Does High gravity means, the product will convert very well?
    No. Sometimes it even suggests the opposite.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2495251

    Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

    3. How many hops should i generate in order to get a single sale? Is it 100's or 1000's?
    If you're getting everything right and understand the basics (see the links above!) it should always be under 100, for targeted, pre-sold traffic (and you shouldn't be sending any other traffic there). Preferably well under 100.

    Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

    Is there any tool in clickbank that will tells the conversion rate?
    No. This information isn't published by ClickBank. (For good reasons). There are people who claim to be able to work it out from information that is published by ClickBank - don't believe them: they don't know what they're talking about, and they're guessing. Only ClickBank and the vendor know, and ClickBank isn't saying.

    Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

    Please help me
    Start from the basics. Really, really, the basics.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5210243

    At the moment you seem to be somewhat misinformed.

    Your SEO skills may stand you in good stead here, eventually, but bear in mind that there's a lot of misinformation and bad advice around about promoting ClickBank products, and that there's a real learning-curve, and some of it's rather counter-intuitive. And that traffic from search engines is typically "second-class traffic" when it comes to selling ClickBank products. You can sell them to that traffic, and you can make a living from it, and you can build a business from it, but not as easily as from some other types of traffic, because it's less qualified/targeted traffic for these purposes, overall.

    Hoping the three threads linked to above will be helpful, if you study them slowly and carefully - and good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author dheeraj4uuu
    Hi, Thanks for the valuable suggestions. I have read all the posts, and one thing bothers me, many suggested me to build lists. I dont have any idea on how to build lists? Can you tell me on how to build lists and make good communication.

    And onething i would like to mention is, i am promoting a product with gravity 157.7
    i see that is very competitive. And i have generated almost 67 hops and in that i got only 5 hops to pre order page and 0 sales. And lost much money on adsense. Does this mean i have a poor sales page or the product sucks?

    Will be waiting for advises on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      I dont have any idea on how to build lists?
      Well, there are a lot of threads here on "how to build lists", so you have plenty of reading there. (I know it's not so easy to find, but it's all here somewhere!).

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      And lost much money on adsense.
      Do you mean AdWords? Don't do that: it makes very little sense to spend money promoting any ClickBank product without opting people in. What sells products like that is normally the strength of the relationship you have with them: they buy it because you're the person recommending it, and they trust you. You need to become that person! (And it's far easier by email than any other way, overall).

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      Does this mean i have a poor sales page or the product sucks?
      Nobody can answer this question reliably without knowing a lot more information.

      You shouldn't have a "sales page" at all.

      Sales pages are for vendors, not for affiliates. You should be pre-selling the product and collecting the email addresses of those potentially interested, in order to do more of the same.

      Personally, I almost never promote products with such high gravity as this, but that's just me (well, actually it's not just me, it's plenty of people, but I know there are also others who do, and don't find that offputting as some of us do).

      I think the "bottom line" for you is that you need to learn about list building and get that in place before going further, really. I certainly wouldn't spend money on any forms of promotion without doing that first.
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  • Profile picture of the author dheeraj4uuu
    Thanks for your advices. Seems like a i have long way to go. I have read about building lists and all. One thing confuses me here. For to get lists i need to write free reports and offer something to users, so that i can build list. But i am poor at writing articles and all.The only things i am good at are seo skills. But i think this is not going to help me a lot. The only thing matters here i see is building lists and sending them reminders and getting sales. If i am poor writer how i am gonna write free reports and offer something to my customers? And one morething, how do major of the people promote clickbank products. I am promoting using seo techniques, doing keyword research on my products and building money site with my keywords and having clickbank affiliate links in my site and bringing top rankings for that site and thereby i get targetted traffic here. But so far i ended up with no sales..That bothers me now.
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  • Profile picture of the author dheeraj4uuu
    For me it seems hard to build lists, does clickbank products are being promoted using only email marketing or is it the one performs well?
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    • Profile picture of the author MattWhite
      There are tons of ways to promote ClickBank products. Email marketing is probably the best one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      For to get lists i need to write free reports and offer something to users, so that i can build list. But i am poor at writing articles and all.
      The normal way is to give them some sort of "free report" (in PDF form) in exchange for their email address, yes. It's better to have something more than just "a series of emails giving them information" to offer them, and more people will normally opt in that way.

      It can be fairly short, as long it's nicely presented, well written, and gives good information.

      It's possible to outsource this, and effectively "buy one" from somebody who writes it for you, but then you'd still need to write an email series to send out. (You can outsource that, too, but then you're spending some money on it).

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      The only things i am good at are seo skills. But i think this is not going to help me a lot.
      Not for ClickBank products, no. It's going to be very difficult indeed to sell many ClickBank products without some writing being involved in the process.

      But there are many other ways you can use SEO skills online and translate them into money.

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      If i am poor writer how i am gonna write free reports and offer something to my customers?
      Only by effectively buying in the "writing" parts, I think.

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      And one morething, how do major of the people promote clickbank products.
      By email marketing, after opting people in (either with a pre-selling site, or just with a squeeze page, though I believe the conversion rates are typically lower with just a squeeze page, because the list quality isn't as good).

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      For me it seems hard to build lists, does clickbank products are being promoted using only email marketing or is it the one performs well?
      For people selling them well, and making serious money, only by email marketing. There are other people, with other sorts of websites, who also have some additional ClickBank-product advertisements on them, as an "extra", and don't build lists, and don't use email marketing, but my impression is that they make very few ClickBank sales.

      Have you thought about maybe providing SEO services for marketers instead, or attracting traffic to CPA offers, instead of trying to sell ClickBank-type products? I'm just wondering if one of these (or maybe something different) it might be a better approach for you?
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  • Profile picture of the author MattWhite
    Alexa just gave you all the keys. Start from the basics.
    Besides all the stuff you've been told already, I would recommend you to change your mindset:
    Don't start by searching a product to promote. Start looking for hungry customers. Find an audience with a need or a problem. Then look for a product to solve that problem and promote it targeting that audience.
    If you're so good at SEO you won't have problems to attract them.
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  • Profile picture of the author goldpartners
    Hi -

    I stay away from promoting ClickBank products.

    The only way you can really be successful selling ClickBank products is to sell "niche" products via Pay-Per-Click Advertising to non-internet-marketing-savvy customers.

    For example... find a eBook on how to _______________... purchase PPC advertising for this "niche" for a penny a click and you can probably make a little money selling books for $9.95.

    Most of the people that go to Traffic Exchanges, use Safelists & Forums, etc. are internet marketers.

    They all belong to ClickBank and if they want a ClickBank product will make the purchase via their own link and get a commission on the purchase.

    The same is true of all the Free Affililate Networks (ie. Commission Junction, Linkshare, etc.).

    The best way to avoid this is to promote products that have to be purchased first... before you can sell them (often for a 100% commission).

    To see products like these & as well as tons of super-responsive advertising to promote them... go to my site.

    Good Luck,

    Allan
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by goldpartners View Post

      The only way you can really be successful selling ClickBank products is to sell "niche" products via Pay-Per-Click Advertising to non-internet-marketing-savvy customers.
      Whatever gives you this idea, Allan?

      Does the fact that there are so many people in this forum successfully making a full-time living and building big businesses just by selling ClickBank products without using PPC at all make you want to reconsider it?

      Originally Posted by goldpartners View Post

      Most of the people that go to Traffic Exchanges, use Safelists & Forums, etc. are internet marketers.

      They all belong to ClickBank and if they want a ClickBank product will make the purchase via their own link and get a commission on the purchase.

      The same is true of all the Free Affililate Networks (ie. Commission Junction, Linkshare, etc.).
      Yes, I agree with (most of) that part.

      Which is why you won't catch me promoting "IM products" on ClickBank. As you say, some of their intended customers are already affiliates and there's no reason at all for those people to buy it through my affiliate-link.

      But what does any of that have to do with promoting by PPC advertising? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
        Your latest photo looks like Inara from Firefly and Serenity. That is, indeed, a compliment.

        Oh - er - yes . . . got distracted.

        I agree with Alexa here. Unless you're very clever with it, PPC can be a very expensive way to get leads, and I know many people making a living with Clickbank products, without eer using PPC.
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  • Profile picture of the author dheeraj4uuu
    Hi Alexa,

    Thanks for your advices, but i dont wanna give up i just wanted to make atleast one sale. But still i am confused here. I make a squeeze page or site and place aweber sign up code in it and send traffic to it. People will signup for my free reports and download my reports. But how i am gonna get sales, do i need to send them reminders using aweber with hop link in my email so that they will buy??

    Here after a quick review i see someone's site, www(dot)cureendometriosis(dot)com
    i think she was promoting a clickbank product. As i see she was offering a free report. i have signed up for her free report and got a report attached in mail. But i dont see any clickbank recommendations in it..Am i missing anything?

    Besides off topic, does shareasale etc is the same type of marketing involved? Where can i find good affiliate sites where i can use my known skill seo in promoting products?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      But still i am confused here. I make a squeeze page or site and place aweber sign up code in it and send traffic to it. People will signup for my free reports and download my reports. But how i am gonna get sales, do i need to send them reminders using aweber with hop link in my email so that they will buy??
      Yes, like this ... you send them some "further valuable content" and promote the product, but not in every email. Many people recommend something like 2 emails "providing more content" and then 1 with a product-promotion; then another 2 with good content and another 1 with a promotion - something like this.

      (I send a promotion in about 1 email in 3, but the promotion is only half of the email).

      The link you send them, in the email, can be either a masked hoplink or a link to some information/review on your site, where you have a masked hoplink for them to click on.

      I send a link to something (usually on my own site) in almost every email I send, because I want my subscribers to get used to clicking on my links and expecting and finding something valuable. This way, more of them will click on the promotional links, when I send those.

      Aweber is a good autoresponder service to use for this. (GetResponse is also good, I'm sure, though I haven't used it yet).

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      Here after a quick review i see someone's site, www(dot)cureendometriosis(dot)com
      i think she was promoting a clickbank product.
      I can't see a ClickBank product there. (It's a huge site - I might have missed it!).

      Clearly the site is selling supplements (physical products) from Amazon and other places.

      But the idea is certainly similar; yes.

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      As i see she was offering a free report. i have signed up for her free report and got a report attached in mail. But i dont see any clickbank recommendations in it..Am i missing anything?
      Maybe ... maybe not.

      Some people don't send anything "promotional" for the first 2 weeks or something (I usually include my first promotion after about 1 week).

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      Besides off topic, does shareasale etc is the same type of marketing involved?
      Sorry, I don't know enough about Shareasale to answer it. Others will reply.

      Please excuse my mentioning again that I would not normally promote a ClickBank product with a gravity of 157, myself. I might, as the third product, if I already promoted two others in the same niche, and I particularly liked the product and wanted a third one. But not normally. In my years of doing this, and with all the products I've promoted in 8 or 9 different niches, I've always found low gravity products far easier to sell, myself, and there are some good and valid reasons for that. (Some of them are explained - by me and others - in one of the threads linked to above).
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  • Profile picture of the author dheeraj4uuu
    Ok, now i got some idea on how these things work. And finally i have one last question, how do i get traffic for my squeeze pages or blogs where i am offering the free, so i can get their email address? I think this defnately not from search engines stuff as you told me in the above posts that search engines traffic is 2nd class traffic. Then where i am going to good traffic or say good amount of traffic so that people could sign up on my site and i get their lists??
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      how do i get traffic for my squeeze pages or blogs where i am offering the free, so i can get their email address?
      That's your department. I thought your plan was SEO, for this?

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      I think this defnately not from search engines stuff as you told me in the above posts that search engines traffic is 2nd class traffic.
      If you can get enough of it, maybe that won't matter?

      I get 20% of my traffic from SEO, and the other 80% is better traffic, for sure. But I get that through article marketing, which I think we've agreed isn't ideal for you, since you don't want to have to do a lot of writing?

      If SEO is the skill that you "bring to your own table", then isn't that your natural traffic-generation method? There are people who do it that way, certainly. If you can get enough of it ... (?).
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian McMullan
    Yeah
    Just watch the adwords thing if you're new. You could lose your shirt.
    If you landing page isn't good (in googles opinion) you will pay more for your click.

    As has already been mentioned, build a loyal list of followers and then you can recommend products to them.
    I know this will take a bit of time to do but you will be glad later on knowing you put the effort in now.

    The temptation is to try and make money now, but as you will find out on this forum, there is no such thing as get rich quick.... unless you have a massive list.

    Good luck anyway

    Ian
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  • Profile picture of the author marcelomusza
    MY best advice would be to find a mentor.
    Get in the idea right now that if you want to save as much time as possible, you will need someone to teach you all the basics about this business, and believe me, there is MUCH to learn.

    This way you will start your business online, avoiding the most common mistakes that we all make when we start, and most important of all, the dreaded "Information Overload". That horrible words could make your business dreams go straight to the toilet, literally speaking.

    Mentors could do this for you, of course for a fee. Business implies investments, and the world online is not the exception of course.

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    • Profile picture of the author dheeraj4uuu
      Originally Posted by marcelomusza View Post

      MY best advice would be to find a mentor.
      Get in the idea right now that if you want to save as much time as possible, you will need someone to teach you all the basics about this business, and believe me, there is MUCH to learn.

      This way you will start your business online, avoiding the most common mistakes that we all make when we start, and most important of all, the dreaded "Information Overload". That horrible words could make your business dreams go straight to the toilet, literally speaking.

      Mentors could do this for you, of course for a fee. Business implies investments, and the world online is not the exception of course.

      Regards!
      Hi,

      How can i find a mentor here? By paying or what can you suggest me on how to find a mentor.
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  • Profile picture of the author dheeraj4uuu
    Atleast suggest me the ways i where can i focus in order to get traffic. For content writing i will hire a copy writer. But i need to if there are other ways where i should concentrate in getting targetted traffic. Will be waiting for your replies..
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      For content writing i will hire a copy writer.
      Copywriting is a whole different matter from content-writing. For content writing, you should hire a content-writer, not a copywriter.

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      But i need to if there are other ways where i should concentrate in getting targetted traffic. Will be waiting for your replies..
      My method of getting traffic is this one.

      There are a few hundred other threads here on various other methods of generating targeted traffic (PPC advertising is just one example - there are several others).
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  • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
    Affiliate Marketing can be a very tricky area to navigate...I'd focus on finding your target market, where do they hang out? Go over to the relevant forums and start building a presence there by giving value to people.

    Have a link in your signature back to your site and try get them to optin to your list. After that you can promote products but I often find it easier to sell once you have them on your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author dheeraj4uuu
    Hi Alexa,

    Here i got an idea about this biz, and it seems now, search engine traffic is not a well targetted, where article marketing brings us highly targetted traffic. Here i have a few questions, What if the copy writer articles are poor? we get less traffic right as the article wont worth much.

    And what script we have to use in for our squeeze pages? Do all use wordpress or it seems for me many clickbank affiliates are using a custom made script right, Please let me know.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      Hi Alexa,

      What if the copy writer articles are poor? we get less traffic right as the article wont worth much.
      Yes, you're right about this. The articles need specifically to be written for syndication, otherwise it isn't going to work very well. Which is part of the reason why that particular business model is, overall, perhaps more suitable to those writing their own articles. Although article syndication can produce some very good traffic from only small numbers of articles, they're not going be cheap (or necessarily easy) articles to outsource.

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      And what script we have to use in for our squeeze pages?
      For myself, I don't use squeeze pages, for the reasons explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5785606

      Originally Posted by dheeraj4uuu View Post

      Do all use wordpress or it seems for me many clickbank affiliates are using a custom made script right, Please let me know.
      I don't use Wordpress, myself.

      I think most people do, and it certainly has some advantages (including easy availability of help/advice on how to use it).

      I think there are also some non-Wordpress "review site scripts", but perhaps more Wordpress themes designed for that sort of purpose, also? As far as I know, these aren't necessarily the sort of thing one would want to use with article syndication (but I don't use any of them myself, so it's outside my experience).
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  • Profile picture of the author canada94
    Think you got some great advice already, however I would highly recommend you invest in a mentor, it makes things a whole lot easier and it eases your learning curve, I wasted 9 months trying to do it on my own, I tell all newbies to get themselves a mentor.

    If your serious about this business,leave me a message on my blog and I will send you my new ebook for beginners.

    Hope this helps


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