To Wordpress or NOT...?

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Hey Warriors,

I have a little query on my hands. A good friend of mine came to me about a proposed web project. Now, he was already getting ready to hire someone I USED to be a partner with (long story, but a juicy one) and long story short, this mortgage broker wanted a website and this "web guru" was working him into a "package" that was basically a custom html page and was gonna run right at about $4000. He came to me as he knew what we used to be partners and he also knew I did some internet "stuff." I know that why this guru was trying to sell him was overpriced, by a large margin. IN looking and listening to his needs, I recommended he start with a nice Wordpress blog. Something that could help brand him, get his voice out, connect with his social media, allow him to post YouTube videos all by himself, and I told him I could give him some names (of some Warriors) who could do the job for hundreds, not thousands of dollars.

Anyways, to start the process he set up a free wordpress and then did a test post to hit is Facebook just to try out some of the functions. Upon doing that, this "guru" said "It worked, but why use Wordpress? All you are doing is sending traffic to Wordpress by setting up your site there when you should be sending people to YOUR site."

Now I am sure there are differing opinions as to why to use wordpress, but I thought this statement was rather old fashioned. I mean, Wordpress is very SEO friendly, has about every plug in known to man ready for easy plug and play, and features an interface that anyone can operate from behind the scenes. I just wanted to get some Warrior's thoughts, as I feel this "guru" should maybe need to be called out, not for the sake of DOING it, but so those FOLLOWERS of his at least know there is some solid proof that differs with his pallid opinion.

Would love to hear your thoughts, thanks!

Mac the Knife
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Wait. Was this site hosted on Wordpress or was it using the Wordpress interface?
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    If he's got his own domain, and I would say he should for such a project, the traffic isn't going to WP at all. This is a Web guru? Or is he just a bullsh*tter?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mac the Knife
    That's my point travlinguy, exactly. The site itself was only hosted on Wordpress as he signed up for the free account and posted, but he has his own personal url, so the whole "you would only be sending traffic that helps Wordpress" is basically a bunch of BS. He is basically saying if you don't have your OWN html from the start personally created site, then you are just helping someone else if you will...makes no sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post

      The site itself was only hosted on Wordpress as he signed up for the free account and posted, but he has his own personal url, so the whole "you would only be sending traffic that helps Wordpress" is basically a bunch of BS. He is basically saying if you don't have your OWN html from the start personally created site, then you are just helping someone else if you will...makes no sense.
      If he signed up at wordpress.COM for a free blog like
      yourfriendname.wordpress.com - then the expensive guy was right!
      That's NOT owned by your friend, it is owned by the wordpress people! And they can delete in any moment if they don't like it...

      You should have adviced your friend to download the script from wordpress.ORG and install it on his own domain. There he owns it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jasonsc
    Technically with wordpress you do have "your own" html. It's not like wordpress is something entirely different. It still uses coding languages and html to design a website, just with a nice user friendly backend interface.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
    Istvan is 100% right. Wordpress.org allows you to use everything right on your own domain. If that's what your friend did, the guru is just trying to scare him into spending a ton of money that he doesn't need to spend. Even if he signed up at Wordpress.com, it's an easy mistake to fix - and one that doesn't need to cost him $4,000!
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  • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
    Istvan is right (not surprising )

    There's a difference between wordpress.COM (your content, but THEIR subdomain, subject to THEIR rules.

    Wordpress.ORG is the one you should recommend to your friends. You might consider checking what hosts have a 1-click install for wordpress to make your life easier (There are many of these).

    It's not terrible to have a wordpress.COM subdomain (given that it is free, it's a good start), but the reality is, they could shut down your site for reason x/y/z, or no reason at all. And you are left with nothing. If your hosting company shuts you down, normally you can get your backups and move without too much trouble.
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  • Profile picture of the author kavitapore
    I am agree with NicoleBeckett,

    You can do anything with WP, all is game of codes. In WP you will get what you wish. It's like magic. While simple HTML will require time to develop for those things which you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    @Jasonsc & @kavitapore,

    you, guys, are sure you know what you are talking about?
    Both of you sound like kind of "high" and out of context... (and I was kind of mild today)
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      The problem, as I see it, is the unfortunate fact that the self-hosted version of Wordpress is located through the .ORG url. So many of the uninitiated automatically head straight to . COM, they see Wordpress and they have no reason to believe they are actually on the wrong site.

      On more than one occasion I've directed people to wordpress.org, but the idiots end up typing wordpress.com
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    • Profile picture of the author Jasonsc
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      @Jasonsc & @kavitapore,

      you, guys, are sure you know what you are talking about?
      Both of you sound like kind of "high" and out of context... (and I was kind of mild today)
      I'm no expert on the inner workings of WP. I didn't mean that if a person has a website hosted on wordpress.org that they own the code though. I meant if you have your own domain name and have WP installed that it still does use html and other coding languages to create the site. I was more commenting on a technicality of "your own" html than anything else but I know what the OP meant
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      • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
        Originally Posted by Jasonsc View Post

        I'm no expert on the inner workings of WP.
        Finally, we can agree on something.
        (Try to make a habit not commenting on things you are not an expert on...)

        Originally Posted by Jasonsc View Post

        I didn't mean that if a person has a website hosted on wordpress.org that they own the code though.
        I just quoted the above line as an illustration for what you said: you are no expert... Indeed. Nothing is hosted on wordpress.ORG - except Matt's site.

        There is a wise Latin saying:
        Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses...
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        • Profile picture of the author Jasonsc
          Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

          Finally, we can agree on something.
          (Try to make a habit not commenting on things you are not an expert on...)


          I just quoted the above line as an illustration for what you said: you are no expert... Indeed. Nothing is hosted on wordpress.ORG - except Matt's site.

          There is a wise Latin saying:
          Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses...
          Ugh, I meant to double check which was the free version before posting - I never visit either and I've a bad memory when it comes to small things like that. Thankfully I've yet to find a reason to learn the full technicalities behind WordPress - anything beyond minor edits of the php and database or some html work is out of my area!

          Is it elancer or freelance that have tests to score your competencies? I remember doing the wordpress one and being surprised by two things: firstly a lot of the technical terms used and secondly my passable score. I'm not sure what I expected the test to entail - but it certainly opened my mind to some of the technicalities in the background.

          I like your saying. The art of keeping silent is a virtue
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  • Istvan knows whereof he speaks. So do dv8domainsDotCom and NicoleBeckett.

    On a cpanel hosting account you can use fantastico to install wordpress in a few minutes. And your friend should have his own hosting and use his domain name with his own hosting. As the others have said, if it's going to be a money making endeavor, or even just a brochure site for his business, he needs to control the space. He also needs to take regular backups since problems happen even on the best of hosts. But as long as he has backups he can be up and running elsewhere in very short order.

    As to the "web guru" I'm shocked he's still in business peddling static html.
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  • Profile picture of the author SlicedGenius
    Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post

    "It worked, but why use Wordpress? All you are doing is sending traffic to Wordpress by setting up your site there when you should be sending people to YOUR site."
    What he could have meant here, is that if you are using Wordpress.com hosted site (as mentioned above) then whilst it is still your site, and your traffic still sees your content - you might lose out on the full advantage of backlinks/SEO because it is not your domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterz
    this is a lesson a lot of folks out there dont have an idea of. they mistakenly believe that wordpress.com and wordpress.org are the same while those who type in wordpress.com instead of wordpress.org are not to be blamed at all. once you mention any website they ironicall believe that the extion is .com
    i hope people are able to learn from the above facts
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