by ShayB
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Here's my analogy on an appropriate upsell:

Let's say I need to solve a problem.

2,376,186,799,586,847 divided by 45736.

I look in the WSO section for a solution.

Scenario 1:

I buy a report that teaches me long division. It goes through all the steps and is very well presented.

The OTO is an online calculator.

Can I use the original report on its own? Absolutely.

But the OTO makes my life easier and saves me time.

I have no problem with this.

Scenario 2:

I buy a report on long division.

It teaches me how to do long division, step by step - but only for numbers that will divide evenly.

If I want to learn how to do long division with numbers that have a remainder, I need to buy the upsell.

It's an online calculator. It does everything quicker and faster - which is great - but without it, I can't make the original product work.

This is a problem.

"Well, why not just package everything together and sell it? Why make there be an upsell?"

There can be a few reasons for this.

1. Some people can't afford the whole package. They still need the solution, but until they can get the money together to get the fancy upsell, they can make do with the old-fashioned solution and do it by hand.

Keyword research is a good example of this. You can teach someone how to do keyword research manually, and it's great for beginners because it gives them a solid foundation for how to do keyword research and you can show them how to do it using free tools.

By doing this, you not only show them how to do it for free but by having them go through the process manually and having them understand the basic concepts, when they do go to purchase a keyword research tool they will be able to evaluate how good the software is because they understand the basic principles behind what the software does.

2. Until someone goes through a process the hard way, they won't really understand how beneficial the upsell is. Using our example above, once someone has gone through long division a few times, they will gladly purchase an online calculator in order to speed up the process.

However, if the marketer had simply packaged up an online calculator and sold it just that way and not separately, you have a lot of people that said "I don't need that" or "I don't want to pay that much money" and they would lose sales.

By doing it in a two-step process a good marketer can make more people happy, provide a solution to a greater audience, and have people return to him or her in the future.

Love them or hate them, upsells and OTOs really DO have a valid place in the marketplace, when done correctly.

JMHO and YMMV
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  • Profile picture of the author Zayne
    I like it!

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    • Profile picture of the author fenixpro
      I love your analogy. Some marketers just look at all the various 'sells' as opportunities to make money and say that you are leaving money on the table if you don't have a up sell, down sell, side sell, exit pop, follow up, etc.

      Yes. True. Totally variable and depends on a lot of things. I usually come back to quality or relevance of the product / offer, regardless if it is an OTO or something else.

      One thing I have found to be useful is offering 'more' of something that is in the original offer, but that is not necessary for the offer to operate. It doesn't necessarily mean that this extra piece of info (or whatever) makes the original offer faster or easier, but it may provide additional value or options.

      Most people talk about offering a complimentary product or service as the OTO - like the calculator example, or like adding fries and a coke to a burger (burger being the original product). I think it just depends.

      I have found success with offering an IM method as the product and then one or two more methods that are directly related to the original as an OTO. This kinda like more bang for your buck.

      The alternative - which you see A LOT of on WF - is to parcel each thing out as it's own product - producing 'new' wsos or products more frequently when, in my opinion, those products could have been put together into one wso and possible OTO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    We as internet marketers can never deny the fact that having an OTO is just an integral part of how we survive the competition....

    Don't do so and you're throwing away hordes of affiliates, and these are the people with the big lists.
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    By the way, the answer to your question: 51954407897.2111 :p
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  • Profile picture of the author lukem
    Great post OP. Had not really taken the time to think about this in detail. What yanks my chain is OTO which are irrelevant to the product being sold, all to often a simple redirect to a high paying affiliate program or course.

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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    OP this isn't directed towards you, because what you say I agree with, but I might as well rant in your thread instead of starting a new one, because your thread just reminded me this...

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    I can't stand all the concern on this forum with upsells and OTO's. Every time I see someone in the WSO section ask "Is there a OTO" I seriously rage inside.

    If you don't want the OTO, don't *&$&#$$* buy it. How hard is that? Maybe if you didn't buy 15 WSO's every week trying to make money it wouldn't matter as much. Upsells and OTO's are marketing 101. Go to any offline business and you will see the same s%^! No one is forcing you to buy anything. So quit crying about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
      Originally Posted by Bill_Z View Post

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      I can't stand all the concern on this forum with upsells and OTO's. Every time I see someone in the WSO section ask "Is there a OTO" I seriously rage inside.

      If you don't want the OTO, don't *&$&#$$* buy it. How hard is that? Maybe if you didn't buy 15 WSO's every week trying to make money it wouldn't matter as much. Upsells and OTO's are marketing 101. Go to any offline business and you will see the same s%^! No one is forcing you to buy anything. So quit crying about it.
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      This is hilarious. It gave me a good laugh. Your absolutely right and I expect upsells from everything I buy. In fact if I am not sent to a upsell I am confused on why they didn't try to sell me more stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    In my opinion, I only release upsells that extend something, that aren't required. It means that I can subsidise the cost of the front end product. I think, when done well, everyone wins with ethical OTOs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zayne
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      In my opinion, I only release upsells that extend something, that aren't required. It means that I can subsidise the cost of the front end product. I think, when done well, everyone wins with ethical OTOs.
      Agree 100% on that.

      If you have studied under Alex Jeffreys you will understand when I say you are leaving money on the table if you do not upsell anyone.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    I bought something a while ago from somebody that should have known better.

    A product that needs the upsell is a scam. A product must have everything you need to use it. The upsell is additional information.

    Originally Posted by Dann Vicker View Post

    We as internet marketers can never deny the fact that having an OTO is just an integral part of how we survive the competition....

    Don't do so and you're throwing away hordes of affiliates, and these are the people with the big lists.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Wish i knew math like this. Space probes would probably find me on Mars.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Upsells and OTO's that complement the core product rock. Ones that you really have to have to properly use the core product suck. Unless you make it clear in your sales page, every buyer should be able to pass on the additional stuff and still find the core product useful by itself. Any other process is shady.
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