Completely lost newbee seeks "Kindling" advice

by xparte
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Fellows, I recently joined The Warriors forum and it’s safe to say my head is spinning form information overload:confused:. Let me just say right away I don’t expect anyone to take me by hand and give me the goodies I want. I come from small business (strictly offline) background, and I know this is not how it works. However, your advice and expertise would be very greatly appreciated.

Here is what I’ve done.
  • Written a killer non-fiction expert advice Kindle book. It’s a real 130-page book and it's about getting over a million of travel miles and points (meaning free travel) for close to nothing. It offers simple, very detailed and exact instructions on what a person should do in order to achieve this goal in one year.
  • Bought Geoff Shaw “Kindling” WSO (working on it and some other Kindle-relating material right now).
This is what I want to do: sell it on Amazon.

This is what I haven’t done yet: everything else. That includes marketing, editing, proofreading, formatting, cover design, what have you. To add insult to (my) injury, I do not have a website, website building or any IM experience at all. Just imagine that I’ve lived in a cave all those years…

What I want to do:
  • Build a website. Its primary purpose will be marketing the book, but it will have a lot of useful content (I could use content from my book to build it).
  • Build a collection of useful affiliate links (and btw use them throughout the book as well). That would mean that affiliate and not-affiliate links in my Kindle book would need to be redirected to the links on my website. The thing is most of the links in my book (like 90+%) are not going to be affiliate, and they will get outdated, so I need to be able to delete and renew them periodically.
  • Use social networks somehow. I have no idea how. For the life of me, I just don’t get them! Why people even bother to risk submitting their personal info to Facebook (and for what?) is a huge mystery to me, but I know they DO go there in hordes, so you will understand how I’m completely lost in this regard!
  • I want to use this book and the website to build the following. I’m planning to write a series of books on related subjects. I’m hoping to be there for a long run.
So that’s about it. I think I’ve written enormously useful, very rich in content book, that would sell like hot cakes if right people knew of its existence (but I do realize that’s what every writer wants to believe). I just wonder what the right order of doing things could be. Any advice would be appreciated. Like I said, if you could point me in the right direction, maybe with recommendations for paid or unpaid providers and resources you're personally familiar with, that would help me clear the head just a little bit and get started.

One important thing I’d like to add: the book is primarily aimed at the US audience. It won’t be nearly as useful (if at all) for the rest of the world. However, next books I’m planning for this series will have more global approach.

Thanks a lot!
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  • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
    Right Xparte - you've given a lot of information there and I'll try to give you some advice to help you on your way.....I won't get too specific here for the moment but as I see it....

    You have an ebook which you would like to sell. You have the product but not the site/traffic or affiliate network to get you up and running.

    What I would do is.....
    Create a simple squeeze page where you will give away a free report. This can be based on your ebook or something related. Nothing too complicated, you just need something to wet the appetite when the prospects come to your page.

    You then need targeted traffic to this page. It's not difficult: Targeted Traffic + Related Offer = Conversions & $$$$ I know you've mentioned Kindle above but I'd recommend you start off with this....

    Make a list of all the related Keywords for you ebook. Start to seach for these on Google and you will be presented with millions of related web pages. Many of which will be websites and forums. Now what I suggest is that you make a simple excel spreadsheet and start saving the details of these site owners contact details. (name, email etc.)

    This is how you are going to recruit your Affiliates who will drive you Targeted Traffic to your squeeze page. As you mentioned you'd like to sell future books it's important to give away the Freebie first! That way you will be building a Huge mailing list that you can sell to down the line.

    Once people enter their details for the free report they will be redirected to your ebook which is for sale. This is the incentive for the affiliates to send you traffic cos they will make a commission off whatever sales they send to you.

    That's a very basic overview of the process but I prefer this to Kindle cos you can see big results - fast! Now there is nothing stopping you from doing both but IMO this is where the big money is!

    Keep me posted on how you go - Noel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Hey XParte, sounds like you already have a great plan.

    My advice would be to do just a few things:

    -Raise your price. Think of the value proposition of selling so many free miles and how much money you can save people. That will get people to not care as much if the price is a few dollars higher.

    -Get a professional graphics and ebook editor to give your ebook a cover and a more appealing layout so it's easier and more enjoyable to read

    -Work on getting your ebook to the top of Kindle listings. There are plenty of guides here on WF

    Other than that, sounds like you're in good shape. Don't stop going til the gravy train arrives!
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  • Profile picture of the author Orator
    What I want to do:
    Build a website. Its primary purpose will be marketing the book, but it will have a lot of useful content (I could use content from my book to build it).
    I would recommend building a website around the author instead of the book. You need to build a brand name around your author, and of course, you can advertise the book on the website, but I would think broader.


    Build a collection of useful affiliate links (and btw use them throughout the book as well). That would mean that affiliate and not-affiliate links in my Kindle book would need to be redirected to the links on my website. The thing is most of the links in my book (like 90+%) are not going to be affiliate, and they will get outdated, so I need to be able to delete and renew them periodically.
    Amazon doesn't allow affiliate links in books, and you shouldn't be putting them in there anyway. Because I guarantee you no matter how good your content is someone is going to leave a review all annoyed that you're trying to milk them for more money, and your sales will drop like a stone. The only links in your books should be to your author website, other books in the series, and in the resource section links to useful non-affiliate sites.


    Use social networks somehow. I have no idea how. For the life of me, I just don’t get them! Why people even bother to risk submitting their personal info to Facebook (and for what?) is a huge mystery to me, but I know they DO go there in hordes, so you will understand how I’m completely lost in this regard!
    People enjoy the chance to feel connected with other folks, and besides it's a great to build a brand and to stay in touch with your friends. I would recommend creating a Facebook Fan Page for your pen name. This will help you build up a readership, and it will make selling any future titles a lot easier.

    It sounds like you've given this a lot of thought, just remember that Kindle Publishing is not the same as regular ebook publishing.
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    hire Di heuser from in here. She is outstanding. She took my product and launched it for with all the bells and whistles attached.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    What you should do is to learn from an author who is a proven self made millionaire. One of them is Amanda Hocking. She has a blog (search Google) where she shares much of what she did to market her best selling books and build her brand.

    Her free information will blow away any current WSO on how to sell more books. Check it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinW
    STEP 1: Use squeeze pages to build your marketing list. Building this list is more important than the sales of the book.

    STEP 2: After optin redirect the visitor to a sales page for your book.

    With the squeeze page provide something of value for free. After optin go for the sale. If they don't buy the good news is you have the contact information for follow up. Remember....many don't buy on the first visit. So goal #1 should be to get the contact information of all your visitors. Goal 2 is selling the book.
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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      xparte,

      As someone with 15+ Kindle nonfiction ebooks published, I am sorry to say that none of the advice you've gotten this far in this thread makes sense.

      Ignore the how-to's for publishing or marketing fiction on Amazon. They don't apply to nonfiction.

      For nonfiction, the most important elements are:

      1)Choosing the right Amazon category for your ebook so interested people will see it

      2)Getting good Amazon reviews from people genuinely interested in your topic

      3)Creating a mouthwatering (but not overly salesy) ebook description that you post on Amazon

      4)Creating (or commissioning) a decent, professional-looking graphical cover

      Not in that order.

      Do those things well and your nonfiction ebook will start to sell steadily.

      Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author fenixpro
    I don't know the specifics of kindle publishing and working on amazon, but considering they have HUGE traffic and HUGE search engine credit, once you do get it published and up on amazon, I would do the keyword research that's relevant to buyers for your book and then juice your amazon page, create youtube videos, and repurpose your content in bits (like pages or chapters) and make slideshows, articles, tutorials, etc. There are dozens of sites in every information medium category (videos, file sharing, slides, articles, ebooks, etc) and most of them are free to submit to. They already have the traffic coming to them. This may or may not be above your head, but creating basically free traffic from multiple streams all aimed at hitting your amazon page or list building (squeeze) page will do wonders.

    btw, sounds like you have a great product. I'd love to check it out!

    Oh, and that's the other thing. Once it's done, you need to strategically make it available to as many affiliates as possible so they can sell it for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author xparte
    Wow, thanks guys for all your tips (including the tip to ignore the tips). A few points to piggyback on your suggestions.

    1. I thought I had a great title until I checked the keywords and they sucked! So I changed the title to optimize the keywords and now my title royally sucks!!! It sucks to the point that I, personally, would not buy a book with such a lousy title, LOL. I just stared into that screen for like 30 minutes before slamming the goddamn laptop against the wall (nah) What would you do (or have done) in a situation like this? What is really more important?

    2. About the squeeze page. In my situation I am thinking on using a two-pronged approach. I want to sell the book, yes, first and foremost, but I also want to build a long-term website as a further communication tool with my readership (hopefully). I am going to write more books in my niche, to make it a series, so I would be in it for a long run. Would it be wise to build a simple page and then convert it into something more serious? Or should I try and do it now before publishing? Or after publishing? What would you do?

    3. Orator, I would love not to use any links in my book. Any at all! Unfortunately, that would drastically diminish its usefulness. Since this book is a practical tool more than anything, I have to link to, say, hotels, airlines, and credit cards applications. I basically take people by hand and tell them what to do. Having to use credit cards links is especially troubling, since everyone and their mother knows they pay commissions. What people don't know is that they usually pay commissions only on lousy offers, while I'm going to link to great offers they never pay commissions on. However, here is my dilemma - there are 2 or 3 great credit card offers that still pay good affiliate fees. So, why should I derive myself of this commission, if I'm going to use them anyway? I mean, some people will still think I'm getting paid, right?

    Another example (it's not that I'm secretive, just trying to be generic, so you guys don't think I'm pushing anything on you): say I'm discussing one cheap airline which can be a tremendous bargain, but that airline is famous for nickel'n'diming passengers with their baggage fees. So, there is a product on the market that is truly amazing - namely it will hold a lot of baggage, yet it fits fine under the seat. So, commissions or not I will talk about this product and link to it regardless, but why should I derive myself of those commissions if people will still think I'm getting them?

    I'm addressing this issue in preface with full disclosure - honestly, not sure whether it's a good idea or not. What would be a consensus on this? Do you think I shouldn't do affiliate links no matter what and tell about it in preface, and if I do, is there a chance they will trust me? What do you think?

    4. Marcia, thanks a lot for your suggestions, as well. I'm definitely going to outsource the cover, as well as editing and proofreading. Being that English is not my first language, those things are not something I can do anyway. But I'm a little skeptical that my book would really take off on its own, so I'm still going to try marketing it on the web.

    5. Fenixpro, thanks for your interest. I'll make sure to send you a copy after it's finished, but only in exchange for an honest review

    Thanks again, everybody. There is lots to learn, but it's a lot of fun, too!

    PS. Uhm, how do you thank people here? Sorry for another stupid question.
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    • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
      Originally Posted by xparte View Post

      Wow, thanks guys for all your tips (including the tip to ignore the tips). A few points to piggyback on your suggestions.

      2. About the squeeze page. In my situation I am thinking on using a two-pronged approach. I want to sell the book, yes, first and foremost, but I also want to build a long-term website as a further communication tool with my readership (hopefully). I am going to write more books in my niche, to make it a series, so I would be in it for a long run. Would it be wise to build a simple page and then convert it into something more serious? Or should I try and do it now before publishing? Or after publishing? What would you do?

      PS. Uhm, how do you thank people here? Sorry for another stupid question.
      Hey, just to jump in again with my 2.0 cents

      The 2 pronged approach that you mention is very wise.... The first time customer is the most expensive to acquire but once they have bought from you, and you have delivered the goods then it is far easier to sell to these customers repeatedly in the future... You will begin to be viewed as an authority figure who they trust and will buy from you again and again.

      What you could do is set up a simple squeeze page for your book. Gather the details of your prospects and pitch them you main ebook once you've gathered your details. This will get you up and running....

      The next thing would be to set up a blog to either run with this squeeze page or on a different website. This could be your own personal blog where you share info. and give extra value to your subs. It's not a big deal and can be set up quite easily with Wordpress etc.

      Once you have your prospects in your autoresponder series you can always divert them back to your blog whenever you have a new book out The key is to get your first one out there and start building a list of prospects and buyers - the first one will always be the most difficult but after that things will get easier.

      As regard to how to Thank people here - there's a little "Thanks" icon below each post on the right.

      Noel.
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      • Profile picture of the author xparte
        Originally Posted by Noel Cunningham View Post

        Hey, just to jump in again with my 2.0 cents

        The 2 pronged approach that you mention is very wise.... The first time customer is the most expensive to acquire but once they have bought from you, and you have delivered the goods then it is far easier to sell to these customers repeatedly in the future... You will begin to be viewed as an authority figure who they trust and will buy from you again and again.

        What you could do is set up a simple squeeze page for your book. Gather the details of your prospects and pitch them you main ebook once you've gathered your details. This will get you up and running....

        The next thing would be to set up a blog to either run with this squeeze page or on a different website. This could be your own personal blog where you share info. and give extra value to your subs. It's not a big deal and can be set up quite easily with Wordpress etc.

        Once you have your prospects in your autoresponder series you can always divert them back to your blog whenever you have a new book out The key is to get your first one out there and start building a list of prospects and buyers - the first one will always be the most difficult but after that things will get easier.

        As regard to how to Thank people here - there's a little "Thanks" icon below each post on the right.

        Noel.
        Thank you, Noel. Sure makes a lot of sense to me. Also, no, there is no "thanks" icon for me. Probably has something to do with me being a noob?
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  • Profile picture of the author AngelTraveler
    I just want to put in my 2 cents also. To publish your book on Kindle or Createspace you should consider doing the following:

    • Get your book proofread
    • Get a good cover
    • Choose the right category – you have two choices only
    • Make the first line of your description to sell yourself and the book as this is what they see on their Kindle, iPad or iPhone for example - not everyone buys from their PC
    • Choose your keywords from Kindle not Google
    • Choose a good start price for your book. You can always experiment with this later
    • If you want to publish it yourself then have the document in Word, Open Office, HTML or download to Mobipocket Creator first or get someone to do that for you
    • Make an Author Page on Amazon and link your book to it
    • Make a blog (it can be a free one like Blogger) and list your book and talk about it
    • Put a link in your book to the Author Page and your blog
    • Get reviews for your book from giving the book away, forums or from friends
    • Tweak the description, keywords and book price as you go along

    These are the basics to start on the right foot.

    Pauline aka AngelTraveler
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    • Profile picture of the author xparte
      Originally Posted by AngelTraveler View Post

      I just want to put in my 2 cents also. To publish your book on Kindle or Createspace you should consider doing the following:

      • Get your book proofread
      • Get a good cover
      • Choose the right category - you have two choices only
      • Make the first line of your description to sell yourself and the book as this is what they see on their Kindle, iPad or iPhone for example - not everyone buys from their PC
      • Choose your keywords from Kindle not Google
      • Choose a good start price for your book. You can always experiment with this later
      • If you want to publish it yourself then have the document in Word, Open Office, HTML or download to Mobipocket Creator first or get someone to do that for you
      • Make an Author Page on Amazon and link your book to it
      • Make a blog (it can be a free one like Blogger) and list your book and talk about it
      • Put a link in your book to the Author Page and your blog
      • Get reviews for your book from giving the book away, forums or from friends
      • Tweak the description, keywords and book price as you go along

      These are the basics to start on the right foot.

      Pauline aka AngelTraveler
      Angel, thanks. Very solid advice. I am confused, though, about this one:

      "Choose your keywords from Kindle not Google".

      The thing about my book is exactly that google passwords are different from what people are looking at Amazon. I was thinking of incorporating them all in my title, since my understanding is that some kindle traffic does come from Google. Like I said before, I know nothing about IM. Could you or anyone else elaborate on this one? Thanks again (still don't see a "thank you" icon anywhere, sorry).
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      • Profile picture of the author cashcow
        Originally Posted by xparte View Post

        Angel, thanks. Very solid advice. I am confused, though, about this one:

        "Choose your keywords from Kindle not Google".
        I agree with this. People are searching in an entirely different manner on Amazon then on Google. (I actually just watched a webinar this morning that proved this).

        The other thing is that people are shopping with their eyes - they are looking at the book covers to make the decision if they want to click to read the description. So you want your title on the cover to hit them with the benefits right off the bat (and also the cover needs to stand out from the others).

        I think to sell on the Kindle, you need to forget what you learned about SEO for websites as it seems to be a whole different animal over there.
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        • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
          Take a look at what people are searching for in Amazon. When you type in the first few letters, Amazon completes it. This is one way to get title ideas.
          Since books also appear in Google under keywords searched for, I would think picking for Amazon with Google in mind for your title would be a good start.

          On your marketing plan, take one step at a time. Begin with a small WP website or if you want to test the waters, a free blogger blog, then move on to the next step etc.
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          • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
            Uhm, how do you thank people here? Sorry for another stupid question.
            There is a "Thanks" button next to each post in the lower right-hand corner. People do appreciate it when you thank them in that way.

            Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author xparte
    Thanks again, guys, and btw, I searched how to thank here, and it appears one has to have the "whopping" 5 posts under one's belt in order to "properly" thank people. Before that the button doesn't even show up...

    Not to worry, I'm getting there and fast
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    I missed this thread the first time around, so here's my .02 worth...

    > Links. Spend 15 minutes and learn to do redirects from a website you own. That way, if the link goes bad, you can simply change out the destination of the redirect instead of worrying about how to do it in the book(s).

    > Links, Part 2. When you set up your website, have a Resources page for each book, with your recommendations broken down by groups (airlines, hotels, etc.). Use anchors within the page (another 15 minute research project), and you can link to specific spots on the page. Again, you only have to maintain the Resource page rather than worrying about changing the links in the book. In addition, many will see the updated and maintained resource page as a value-add most of the other books in your category may not have.

    > Website. Since you plan to create a series, you may want a simple blog-type site with categories for each installment. You can also add resource pages, reader surveys and comment forms, squeeze pages, etc. Just keep it useful and simple. You're selling books, not web design services.

    Not sure where you are in the process, but I wish you luck...
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  • Profile picture of the author luane
    I've written books that sell weekly on Amazon's Kindle program. Go to the WSO section and search for Kindle products. Read the reviews and find the current programs. They will tell you everything you need to know to go from Step 1 to getting published. Then, work on the website and promoting it.
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