Am i being stubborn or lazy

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Okay so i've been working on a project for a while now and I'm thinking of giving it up but a little voice keeps telling me 'don;t give up now, good things come to those that persevere'

the facts
it a niche educational site, 100% my own content, personally i think its very useful. Premium content is locked and thats how i've monetized.
  • 9900 exact searches per month, low competition.
  • I am 5th on google for my main keyword (sometimes 4th, although webmaster tool says my average is 8.9)
  • I am #1 on my google for many of my sub pages (2 of which get more traffic than my main page)
  • I get 700 visitors a day on weekdays and its growing

But
A week after content locking went live I've got 11 clicks 2 downloads for a grand total of $2.20, its not the content locking is converting badly, which i could do something about, it that people just don't seem anyway interested in the premium content.

Time to call it quits, maybe keep the site running but devote my time to new projects?

What do the warriors think
#lazy #stubborn
  • Profile picture of the author jessiepadgal
    Why not try something other than content locking? Maybe presentation of the content as an e-book or auto responder series? Are you building a list?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    You should definitely look into other ways of monetizing the site. Getting 700 daily visitors is a good thing. You just need to put the right thing in front of people. Start split testing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trevor M
    The main thing is you need to start capturing all your sites traffic and build a list if you haven't started already.

    Keep plugging along by the sound of it you're website is doing a lot better than many others.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    What about adsense? I liked content locking because my audience are highschoolers (mostly) and i wanted a way to earn without making them pay for anything. I'd have to pay for copy to sell the ebook because i don't think i could sell it well enough.

    I'm not making a list, but really don't know what to do with one, i'm very new and have only just scraped this system together.

    Does anyone think should just wait longer and keep splittesting
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  • Profile picture of the author virtualconsultant
    "A week after content locking went live I've got 11 clicks 2 downloads for a grand total of $2.20, its not the content locking is converting badly, which i could do something about, it that people just don't seem anyway interested in the premium content. "


    You are getting 700 average readers to your site, and I assume that they are targeted enough to buy your products. Please make sure your site description on SERP do justice to your site content. Check the traffic bounce rate.

    And, you should give away a sample part of your content free of cost if you think they are really beneficial to your visitors. I am not sure if you are collecting leads on your site, but by giving away 1000-2000 words of your premium content is a god deal if you get those leads in exchange. Later, you can convince them to buy the full version with email follow up. It makes sense even today.

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author sherys
      Originally Posted by virtualconsultant View Post

      "A week after content locking went live I've got 11 clicks 2 downloads for a grand total of $2.20, its not the content locking is converting badly, which i could do something about, it that people just don't seem anyway interested in the premium content. "


      You are getting 700 average readers to your site, and I assume that they are targeted enough to buy your products. Please make sure your site description on SERP do justice to your site content. Check the traffic bounce rate.

      And, you should give away a sample part of your content free of cost if you think they are really beneficial to your visitors. I am not sure if you are collecting leads on your site, but by giving away 1000-2000 words of your premium content is a god deal if you get those leads in exchange. Later, you can convince them to buy the full version with email follow up. It makes sense even today.

      Thanks.
      This is what I would do also
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    okay you guys have convinced me to start list building, i'll get reading about it
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  • Profile picture of the author FreezeInt
    3500 visitors a week and only 11 clicks on your monetizing system? Seems like people are not interested at all in it, but why? Are you giving too much info away for free? The paid info should be of much more value than the free content, and you should sell it that way too IMO.

    Not too long ago, i read an article here on WF about someone who tested these kind of systems against systems that give everything away for free and instead monetizing those sites with advertisements, and he got much better results with the advertising method.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    How is your locked content monetised if you're not charging anything? CPA / free trial offers? Please elaborate.

    I suppose the predictable suggestion would be to open up all premium content and leverage that in any way possible for increased traffic, build a list, provide ongoing value and begin promoting stuff (either your own product(s) or other people's as an affiliate), but that might not work too well if your main audience haven't the ability to make online purchases themselves.

    Nevertheless, it can't get much worse than ~$2/week. I would think that on ~700 daily visitors, even AdSense would far outperform this.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    Yeah CPA, email submits, for $1.10 each, at this point is doesn't seem to matter, it could be completely free and it seems no one would notice. I think the content locking isn't the problem, it my copy directing people to that page. I'll work on that...and start list building

    couldn't hurt to throw adsense on every page thought right?
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxBounty
    Hey Matt. I'd love to take a peek at your site and make some suggestions. PM or IM me (maxbountyjess on Skype or AIM).

    For what it's worth, I don't think you are being stubborn or lazy. You are smart enough to see the issue, listen to advice from your fellow marketers, and keep tweaking things until you see the profit you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Guest
    Stick with it, everyone has blips in confidence. You have go this far, step back, take a break from it for a week and let the fresh ideas flow in.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    Yeah i think a break couldn't hurt. I;ve made so many tweaks to the site and i'm expecting them all to change things instantly. Maybe if i just let them sink in for a week I'd see i was on an upward curve, and if not i'd have more data in analytics to find out exactly whats going wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mbullard
    If you're still not feeling it, flip it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    i really like the niche, its something i don't mind making content for and i think its genuinely useful to people, i just can't seem to monetize it. Anyway I doubt I'd sell it for much with an earnings history of $2 a wekk
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    • Profile picture of the author Bguk73
      Hi Matt. My wife has a maths educational site and she is earning around £400 per month. Its getting around 300 visitors a day at the moment and the paid content is quite new. web address is mathsstar com if your interested in taking a look.

      Be warned it can be improved I just not got around to sorting it for her!
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    thanks bguk73
    more worrying that anything else, i was hopping to make around £800 from this site and yet yours is much better placed to make money (aimed at teachers with credit cards not students with empty pockets) and makes £400, well i can always make 10 more sites i guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bguk73
    You have an interesting paradox there students with money! We get more parents than teachers who purchase from us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Learn all you can about your visitors ... in example .. demographics . They will come for the info but may not be willing to pay for it because it is not an urgent need ... but I am almost positive there is something out there your crowd is collectively interested in that is sell-able
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    so i should try and cross sell them something, that they're also interested in?
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by MattJackson View Post

      so i should try and cross sell them something, that they're also interested in?
      I would cross sell several somethings.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeeWhiz1
    Try other ways to monetize your site, 700 visitors a day is a good thing. Why not make the content public and have ads on the site?.. textual ads within the text?
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Whats your website? You said it's educational... what are you trying to sell?
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  • Profile picture of the author Usmile
    You are just in the beginning of your adventure why not take it as a challenge instead of failure? The catch is, if you want something you need to work for it. Internet marketing is like a game, for you to win you must know how to play with rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul_1
    Do several testing - work out a plan that you think might be effective and test it. If not, move to the next plan until you figure it out. You are already there. You get lots of visitors already. Take this as a challenge!
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    I'm not selling anything at the moment. I give away a load of information, there is also some premium content that is locked pending completing a CPA offer. Giving that stuff away wouldn't give me a huge boost in traffic i don't think but I'll give adsense a try on my content pages.

    I'm having some problem split testing as well. I started an experiment on google website optimizer but its been a few days and its telling me the experiment has collected no data, despite analytics telling me hundreds have people have seen both versions of the page.

    Is there another free service i can use to split test.

    Oh and currently i@m on a .co.uk domain, how much of a bump in google .com can i expect to see if i get the .com version of my adderess
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    I think just a traditional CPA offer might work better- not content locking.

    Also- what are the demographics of the audience coming in? do they have money to spend? Or are they looking for free information (so free that they wont even fill in a CPA offer)?
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    The demographic should be highschool (maybe college) students, they don;t have money to spend but should be computer literate enough not to be scared away by content locking. I don;t mind filling in a CPA if i come across something i really want but i won;t pay for almost anything.

    I don't know how Pure CPA would be better than content locking, why would people complete it without the incentive?

    I think my problem is a) the premium content isn't advertised or sold well enough, people either don;t know its there or don't think they need it. b) the content locker looks a bit...spammy I have hundreds of views on the pages where the content is locked but only 27 clicks, so it pops up and people just click away. Of those 27 clicks I've only had two conversions (to be honest I'm thinking of changing my ad network, i went with a pretty new company and I don't think its working, i tried to unlock the content myself and couldn't, none of the offers where the quick email/zip submits i want)

    So change add network, write better copy, split test adds to see which drives the most people towards the premium content. Guess I have lots to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author gentryliving
    Stop focusing on locking.... why not try something to make it more better and to monetize it in a way that visitors will buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    bounce rate on my home page is low 20's%
    I am giving away loads of free content at the moments and only locking a fraction. I am now giving a way a little bit of the premium content as well as a kind of teaser.

    I've decided my ad network needs to change, i tried to complete one of the offers myself and couldn't and the gateway looks really bad and i can't change it. Applied to blam adds but apparently they take a while. Can anyone else recommend a network that allows incentive trafic?
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  • Profile picture of the author 100k
    Only you know the answer to that my stubborn lazy friend.
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