WSOs that are cheaper if you leave a review - surely this is wrong?

[fluffythewondercat]

Originally Posted by RichardDean

I don't buy at all it's the only way to STOP it once and for all...

Okay, you don't buy at all.

But could you PLEASE fix your signature? If I have to see your promise to "revile the truth" one more time my eyeballs are going to pop out.

(Besides, I like the truth. So there.)

fLufF
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[WillR]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Will,I would be very, very careful about that if I were you. (Or anyone else, for that matter.)

No matter how much you say "honest opinions only," the presence of any incentive will color most reviewers' feedback. Pretending that isn't the case in order to justify using those reviews is a Very Bad Idea.

A lot of people would consider that materially misleading, and regulators would be chief among them.

Paul,

I totally understand that and I have no intention of using those reviews elsewhere anyway. All I am trying to say is it's not as black and white as people above are trying to suggest.

There are plenty of things one can do to sway someone's opinion of a product outside of offering them a monetary discount. That might be offering them unannounced bonuses or things like that. Just because the option I use asks them to vocalize their opinion does not make it anymore right or wrong than those other things people do.

If someone purchases my product and thought it was just OK, they then contact me for a refund and I say hang on a minute, here are some free bonuses for you if you stay. Then they decide to later leave a positive review of my product, well clearly their opinion of my product has been swayed by something other than what is offered in the original product. Should those reviews be dis-counted or should those reviews have a big disclaimer above them saying... "This is my review only after threatening to refund and then being offered some free bonuses."

What if I sell my product at $5 one week and people leave positive reviews because they are overwhelmed with the value and the next week I am charging $50 for that same product? Obviously those first reviews are based on a much cheaper price than my current customers will be paying. Should I have to disclose that as well?

With this same logic, that means any review on the WSO forum should really be prefaced with the exact price you purchased the product at so people buying on dimesales, etc know at what price point the person leaving the review actually purchased at. The price has a lot to do with someone's value expectation and ultimately their review of a product so it would be important to know.

So, where do you draw the line? If we want people to disclose on my reviews then it would be needed on ALL other reviews where products change price points, offer unannounced bonuses on the back-end, etc.

Originally Posted by RichardDean

I don't buy at all it's the only way to STOP it once and for all...
If they offer a review copy discount just don't buy it at all.

If you're going to allow it then it should be noted like this before each review that was because of the discount... In bold

"The only reason I'm giving a review is because I bought a review copy"

Richard

This way we can bypass the fake reviews...

Watch your words Richard because they are NOT fake reviews... and if you think I am worried about you not buying one of my products, well I couldn't be less worried. Numbers speak for themselves. I will keep doing what works for me, thanks all the same. Clearly a lot of others share your opinion as well.

As Paul said above, any person with half a brain will use a lot more than a few reviews to make their buying decision. Most WSO's nowadays include a refund guarantee anyway which means your buying decision can still be made AFTER the purchase.

If I had a 50% refund rate (even 10%) then I might agree with your arguments that this option encourages fake reviews, but I don't, so I won't.

[RichardDean]

Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat

Okay, you don't buy at all.

But could you PLEASE fix your signature? If I have to see your promise to "revile the truth" one more time my eyeballs are going to pop out.

(Besides, I like the truth. So there.)

fLufF
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Deal only if you can get sbucciarel to change that photo :-)

Richard

Thanks

[RichardDean]

Originally Posted by WillR

they are NOT fake reviews...

As Paul said above, any person with half a brain will use a lot more than a few reviews to make their buying decision. Most WSO's nowadays include a refund guarantee anyway which means your buying decision can still be made AFTER the purchase.

That is the thing you know the Sheeple have no brain... that is why things like the FTC has been cracking down on things that aren't true.

It is a paid review no other way to get around it... you offer a discount for a review that is no better than giving them money on fiverr for a review....

If your product don't hold water on it's own then use tricks like this it makes you feel warm and fuzzy... but in the end it is a review you paid for.

And a paid for review is not a real review, something that is not real is what FAKE!

Richard

[Paul Myers]

Richard,

It is a paid review no other way to get around it... you offer a discount for a review that is no better than giving them money on fiverr for a review....

Ummm... What?

The Fiverr reviewers don't pay for the product, nor do they actually use it. Most of them just say nice stuff about something they haven't even looked at. Lying, for $4 a throw. So yeah, that's kind of different from what Will is talking about, doncha think?


Paul

[WillR]

Originally Posted by RichardDean

That is the thing you know the Sheeple have no brain... that is why things like the FTC has been cracking down on things that aren't true.

It is a paid review no other way to get around it... you offer a discount for a review that is no better than giving them money on fiverr for a review....

If your product don't hold water on it's own then use tricks like this it makes you feel warm and fuzzy... but in the end it is a review you paid for.

And a paid for review is not a real review, something that is not real is what FAKE!

Richard

Richard,

You make me laugh. So you have a website in your signature where you review WSO products and then make affiliate commissions off of those reviews. So in essence, your reviews are likely to be tainted because you are receiving money from anyone who clicks through and purchases the product. But those reviews of yours that are being financially compensated are to be believed? Haha.

I guess that's different though, right Richard?

Do as I say, not as I do?

[Justin Stowe]

Originally Posted by WillR

Richard,

You make me laugh. So you have a website in your signature where you review WSO products and them make affiliate commissions off of those reviews. So in essence, your reviews are likely to be tainted because you are receiving money from anyone who clicks through and purchases the product. But those reviews of yours that are being financially compensated are to be believed? Haha.

I guess that's different though, right Richard?

Do as I say, not as I do?

BANGARANG WILL!

...but seriously, this thread is starting to smell more and more like troll.

[Chris Kent]

Hey Will, my original post was not a personal attack. All I wanted to do was open this to debate, which appears to have happened. That's a good thing.

I know you were one of the first to do this here but I only posted this now because I am seeing others doing it. It's a good time to discuss it or else it could become as common as upselling, something that is now very common, and therefore worthy of discussion.

[WillR]

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Hey Will, my original post was not a personal attack. All I wanted to do was open this to debate, which appears to have happened. That's a good thing.

I know you were one of the first to do this here but I only posted this now because I am seeing others doing it. It's a good time to discuss it or else it could become as common as upselling, something that is now very common, and therefore worthy of discussion.

Chris,

I'm cool with it and I have no hard feelings at all. But as someone who uses that technique I just felt the need to stand up and put forth my/our opinion, as I'm sure you can imagine. I've said what I needed to say and healthy discussions like this are good, to a point.

I think that point has now been reached I don't want to get into any name calling matches so I've said what I wanted to say and as always, everyone is encouraged to make their own educated judgement based on the facts.

Enjoy the weekend peeps!

[RichardDean]

Originally Posted by WillR

Richard,

You make me laugh. So you have a website in your signature where you review WSO products and then make affiliate commissions off of those reviews. So in essence, your reviews are likely to be tainted because you are receiving money from anyone who clicks through and purchases the product. But those reviews of yours that are being financially compensated are to be believed? Haha.

I guess that's different though, right Richard?

Do as I say, not as I do?

Show me a review and a affiliate link on my site please?

I have not finished my first review yet it's on Fabian Tan 10,000 / 15,000 per month review.

You can read and write or do you just pay people to write for you so you feel better ... boya !

Richard

Get your facts right before you make a ass out of yourself

[RichardDean]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Richard,Ummm... What?

The Fiverr reviewers don't pay for the product, nor do they actually use it. Most of them just say nice stuff about something they haven't even looked at. Lying, for $4 a throw. So yeah, that's kind of different from what Will is talking about, doncha think?


Paul

So if the product was passed to them and you paid the fiverr it makes it good?

If you did get a fiverr review you would have to give them something so they could say the correct things about it. We can't say the product was not given to them or not. It's a bought review no matter if the product was give or not.

$20 or $15 review- you gave them 5 bucks to give you a review... no way around it... 5 bucks is in their pocket because they gave you a review.

That is buying a review YES!

Richard

[Paul Myers]

Richard,

So if the product was passed to them and you paid the fiverr it makes it good?

[sigh] The suggested sequence for forum conversations is: Read first. Think. Then respond.

Do you not understand the difference between "customer pays for product" and "seller pays for review from non-customer?" In one case, the reviewer has their own money in the game. They've put time and cash at risk. In the other, the reviewer has no money involved, and is getting pure profit from their comments. One MAY be slanted, but the other is an outright lie.

You're not stupid, Richard, and this isn't rocket science. Please think about what you're saying, and look at the very real distinctions involved.


Paul

[GarrieWilson]

Originally Posted by WillR

Being one of the first people to use this technique on the Warrior Forum, I feel the need to step in here and make a comment:

blah blah blah

Then why offer a discount if its not for any of the reasons given?


Garrie

[WillR]

Originally Posted by RichardDean

Show me a review and a affiliate link on my site please?

I have not finished my first review yet it's on Fabian Tan 10,000 / 15,000 per month review.

You can read and write or do you just pay people to write for you so you feel better ... boya !

Richard

Get your facts right before you make a ass out of yourself

Richard,

Sorry, just copying and pasting this from your site so hope you don't mind...

"Hi there! I’m going to buy WSO’s for you, use them, test them, then tell you if they do what they say."

Damn. That sure sounds like reviews to me... and

"Update: If you buy a WSO from my link I will design a eCover for you at no charge… Just send me the info for the eCover and the receipt for the item you bought… once it checks out I will design your new eCover for you."

That sure sounds like affiliate links to me.

Regardless of whether or not you have affiliate links on the site yet or if they are in a logged in section. That is still, quite obviously, the point of your site. You review products. You then encourage people to buy through your affiliate links.

But now you're denying that? Zing. Got him!

Originally Posted by RichardDean

So if the product was passed to them and you paid the fiverr it makes it good?

You truly can't understand the difference? Ok, well let me try and explain it. If you go to fiverr you are approaching someone who never intended to use or purchase that product in the first place. You are seeking out someone and paying them to do a review of your product. You are, quite obviously, purchasing a review. With my option the person was already interested in the product and they are simply getting a discount if they promise to come back and leave their honest opinion of the product.

(BTW: That's my last response to you Richard on this matter because as I have seen in plenty of other threads, you have a habit of arguing for arguments sake.)

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Then why offer a discount if its not for any of the reasons given?

Garrie,

I have stated numerous times over. The discount is to encourage users to come and leave their feedback. I am not encouraging good or bad reviews, I am encouraging the action of coming back and leaving the feedback and compensating people for the time taken to do that.

[RichardDean]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Richard,[sigh] The suggested sequence for forum conversations is: Read first. Think. Then respond.

Do you not understand the difference between "customer pays for product" and "seller pays for review from non-customer?" In one case, the reviewer has their own money in the game. They've put time and cash at risk. In the other, the reviewer has no money involved, and is getting pure profit from their comments. One MAY be slanted, but the other is an outright lie.

You're not stupid, Richard, and this isn't rocket science. Please think about what you're saying, and look at the very real distinctions involved.


Paul

What money at risk.... there is a money back guarantee... any time a money back guarantee is offered you have no risk "RIGHT"

You can say well the SOB won't honor the guarantee... but it is there so no risk at all.

A real review is somebody who does not gain anything by giving the review.

Especially money

They have to give a review to save 5 bucks right...

I can shut one eye if..

If they want to say save 5 bucks for a review but a review is not required to get the discount price... But it is better not to give any review discount.

Just let people buy the product if they want to give a review they will.

whats wrong with that?

Richard

[GarrieWilson]

Originally Posted by WillR

I have stated numerous times over. The discount is to encourage users to come and leave their feedback. I am not encouraging good or bad reviews, I am encouraging the action of coming back and leaving the feedback and compensating people for the time taken to do that.

That right there means you are paying for a review. Your words. Not mine.

If every paid review is not clearly marked as such then it's an FTC violation.

From looking at the WSO in your sig, none of them are clearly marked. So either none of them took the discount or you don't want to tell which people did.

Looks like you made the OPs case.

Garrie

[nik0]

Lately I talked to a couple people about my salesthread on this forum and said that I got less sales then expected, they all said you should give out more free reviews or discounted reviews to long term members. Personally I think my salesletter just sucks

Clue of the story: None, I know my services work very well so I refuse to work for nothing.

I must admit that I'm more tend to ask clients that had great results to leave a review afterwards then clients that hardly had any resutls, but I must also add that the clients with hardly any results also bought a much too small package for a much too tough keyword.

[WillR]

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

That right there means you are paying for a review. Your words. Not mine.

If every paid review is not clearly marked as such then it's an FTC violation.

From looking at the WSO in your sig, none of them are clearly marked. So either none of them took the discount or you don't want to tell which people did.

Looks like you made the OPs case.

Garrie

Hardly Garrie.

I am not paying people to leave reviews. I don't know how much clearer I can say that. I am giving people the option of a discounted version of a product for leaving their feedback. Before a customer purchases no money has ever changed hands so how can I possibly be PAYING that person for that review?

Where am I paying this person and when does that payment take place? Maybe you know something I don't?

They (the customers) are paying ME for that product and it just so happens they have the option to buy at a lower price if they are willing to leave feedback to help improve my product. I bet my customers would LOVE it if I paid them $5 to leave a review but the simple fact is I do not... and please do not insinuate that since it is completely untrue. All my reviews are valid and are not in violation of any FTC rules, thanks all the same.

I have made no one's case except my own.

[GarrieWilson]

Originally Posted by WillR

Hardly Garrie. I am not paying people to leave reviews. I don't know how much clearer I can say that. I am giving people the option of a discounted version of a product for leaving their feedback. Before a customer purchases no money has ever changed hand so how can i possibly be PAYING that person for that review? Where am I paying this person and when does that payment take place? They are paying ME for that product. I bet my customers would LOVE it if I paid them $5 to leave a review but the simple fact is I do not.. and please do not insinuate that since it is completely untrue. All my reviews are valid and are not in violation of any FTC rules, thanks all the same.

I have made no one's case except for my own.

LOL. Rationalise much?

Compensation doesn't always require money to change hands. You are compensating for a review. You said so yourself.

FTC says if compensation is given, it must be made clear. You have not made it clear that compensation was given. Yet you have already said compensation was given.

Garrie

[RichardDean]

Originally Posted by WillR

Richard,

Sorry, just copying and pasting this from your site so hope you don't mind...

"Hi there! I’m going to buy WSO’s for you, use them, test them, then tell you if they do what they say."

Damn. That sure sounds like reviews to me... and

"Update: If you buy a WSO from my link I will design a eCover for you at no charge… Just send me the info for the eCover and the receipt for the item you bought… once it checks out I will design your new eCover for you."

That sure sounds like affiliate links to me.

Regardless of whether or not you have affiliate links on the site yet or if they are in a logged in section. That is still, quite obviously, the point of your site. You review products. You then encourage people to buy through your affiliate links.

But now you're denying that? Zing. Got him!

Sorry you can't see my WSO Reviews it is the 4th link it says WSO Reviews

Click on that and you can see my reviews ... None yet DUH!

The couple of affiliate links you see are my buddy MAX's products he had a WSO while back you can see by the post date. I helped make some ecovers for the people who bought.

No reviews as of yet and they will be free you won't have join to see the reviews.

You truly can't understand the difference? Ok, well let me try and explain it. If you go to fiverr you are approaching someone who never intended to use or purchase that product in the first place. You are seeking out someone and paying them to do a review of your product. You are, quite obviously, purchasing a review. With my option the person was already interested in the product and they are simply getting a discount if they promise to come back and leave their honest opinion of the product.

(BTW: That's my last response to you Richard on this matter because as I have seen in plenty of other threads, you have a habit of arguing for arguments sake.)

Truth is not argument

Garrie,

I have stated numerous times over. The discount is to encourage users to come and leave their feedback. I am not encouraging good or bad reviews, I am encouraging the action of coming back and leaving the feedback and compensating people for the time taken to do that.

So you said it you pay people to leave feedback about damn time!

Finally WillR says he pays people for testimonials...

Richard

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by RichardDean

So if the product was passed to them and you paid the fiverr it makes it good?

If you did get a fiverr review you would have to give them something so they could say the correct things about it. We can't say the product was not given to them or not. It's a bought review no matter if the product was give or not.

$20 or $15 review- you gave them 5 bucks to give you a review... no way around it... 5 bucks is in their pocket because they gave you a review.

That is buying a review YES!

Richard

★2-in-1 Gigs!★ Welcome! You have stumbled upon my incredible two-in-one listings where I offer 2 of my expert services for the price of just 1 Fiverr gig. GIG 1: I will write a high quality, believable and enthusiastic 50-100 word review of YOUR Amazon product.

I will write a thorough positive review on your product, book, website, etc. in order promote the item and make it look good.

Note the above Fiverr gigs. You are buying a guaranteed POSITIVE review from these people for $5. How is that anywhere similar to offering a discount as an incentive for buyers to come to your WSO thread and post their honest experience with your product.

Want a real review send me a product

Note the above from your signature. So you're asking people to send you a product for free so you can review it. By your own definition, that is a paid review and therefore worthless.

[fluffythewondercat]

Originally Posted by RichardDean

Deal only if you can get sbucciarel to change that photo :-)

Mmm, that one's on you, bucko.

fLufF
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[WillR]

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

FTC says if compensation is given, it must be made clear. You have not made it clear that compensation was given. Yet you have already said compensation was given.

Garrie

Garrie,

§ 255.5 Disclosure of material connections.
When there exists a connection between the endorser and the seller of the advertised product that
might materially affect the weight or credibility of the endorsement (i.e., the connection is not
reasonably expected by the audience), such connection must be fully disclosed.

I'm not sure how much clearer things can be. When you go to hit my buy button (before you ever make a purchase) you see two big options right next to one another. One says click here to purchase a review copy one says click here to purchase a regular copy. How much more disclosure do you need?

The FTC rules you are quoting are there to help protect consumers. I disclose the fact very clearly on my WSO sales page BEFORE anyone can purchase my product so that is a known for anyone reading the reviews that follow that people have had the option of purchasing a discounted review copy.

[salegurus]

Here's a novel idea.
Why not put an end to Free Review Copies, Incentivized Reviews etc.
Maybe that will lend some much needed credibility to the reviews in the WSO Forum?

Just saying...

[Bill Farnham]

Originally Posted by RichardDean

Truth is not argument

And argument is not truth.

You're coming off like you're pissed others are honing in your desire to become the Review Guru.

You may want to give it a rest.

All the anti-review verbage you're throwing out probably won't help your review website business the way you may be hoping it will.

From here it looks a wee bit hypocritical.

~Bill

[Tina Golden]

You guys would be better off doing something else. You won't change his mind - the behavior is the same from thread to thread and I doubt it will be any different tonight. All you'll do is give yourselves headaches...

[RichardDean]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Note the above Fiverr gigs. You are buying a guaranteed POSITIVE review from these people for $5. How is that anywhere similar to offering a discount as an incentive for buyers to come to your WSO thread and post their honest experience with your product.


Note the above from your signature. So you're asking people to send you a product for free so you can review it. By your own definition, that is a paid review and therefore worthless.

How are they going to write a correct review if they don't know about your product... I would guess you have to send them your product or tell them about it... so they get the facts correct... I don't think you can write a review that would make sense if you don't know about the product.?

My guess is I can't say for sure unless I email one of the offers and see what they need to write the review.

About the review I will be doing, it will be only for their personal use... they will not be able to use the review on their site or else where. If you stumble across my site and see a review once it gets going, all info will be there for you to make your own conclusion.

There are many ways to review a product I could buy it, I could get it free, I could be at a friends house and so on.... When you see the first review you will understand better... I'm always open to suggestions if you have a better way let me know.

Thanks

Richard

[GarrieWilson]

Originally Posted by WillR

Garrie,

I'm not sure how much clearer things can be. When you go to hit my buy button (before you ever make a purchase) you see two big options right next to one another. One says click here to purchase a review copy one says click here to purchase a regular copy. How much more disclosure do you need?

The FTC rules you are quoting are there to help protect consumers. I disclose the fact very clearly on my WSO sales page BEFORE anyone can purchase my product so that is a known for anyone reading the reviews that follow.

You DO NOT tell which reviews are paid and which are not. Seeing a review doesnt mean it was paid for. Not to mention that you have reviews before the ad and payment buttons. Which set peoples minds in a positive state before they know you paid for them.

FTC guidelines say each review has to have a clear notice. Yours do not.

Garrie

[WillR]

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

You DO NOT tell which reviews are paid and which are not.

I don't need to. My only obligation is to make the connection known to anyone who might consider purchasing my product... and I do that. I make the connection known and people then know any or all of the reviews are from people who purchased review copies.

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Not to mention that you have reviews before the ad and payment buttons. Which set peoples minds in a positive state before they know you paid for them.

This has nothing to do with anything. Do people who write review emails or blog posts have to state the material connection at the top of the email or blog post before people start reading it? No.

Don't you worry about me Garrie. I am well aware of my obligations, thanks all the same.

[RichardDean]

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

And argument is not truth.

You're coming off like you're pissed others are honing in your desire to become the Review Guru.

You may want to give it a rest.

All the anti-review verbage you're throwing out probably won't help your review website business the way you may be hoping it will.

From here it looks a wee bit hypocritical.

~Bill

As you see WILLR said he pays for reviews his own words.

Reviews can be good but to - beg, ask, give a discount or offer a incentive to get one is fake and should not be allowed. that's all and he said he does so to get a review.

As you see I'm in no hurry about my review site... :-)

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

You guys would be better off doing something else. You won't change his mind - the behavior is the same from thread to thread and I doubt it will be any different tonight. All you'll do is give yourselves headaches...

He said he pays... he knows it... we know it... he has been put to bed.

Richard

[GarrieWilson]

Originally Posted by WillR

I don't need to. My only obligation is to make the connection known to anyone who might consider purchasing my product... and I do that. I make the connection known and people then know any or all of the reviews are from people who purchased review copies.

No you don't. Your "leave a review" could be interpreted that all posts AFTER the sales letter are paid. It does NOT say that the ones IN the sales letter are paid also.

This has nothing to do with anything. Do people who write review emails or blog posts have to state the material connection at the top of the email or blog post before people start reading it? No.

Actually, the rule is near each review. You don't do this because of the location of them.

Don't you worry about me Garrie. I am well aware of my obligations, thanks all the same.

You always get defensive when people dont praise what you say.

Guess the people who think its wrong should just start reporting them at:
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

Garrie

[WillR]

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

No you don't. Your "leave a review" could be interpreted that all posts AFTER the sales letter are paid. It does NOT say that the ones IN the sales letter are paid also.

Garrie,

If you took a minute you would find those reviews ARE reviews from my WSO sales thread. They are all reviews taken from my WSO thread. Where do you think I got them from? Thin air? Each and every one of them links straight back to the original review in my thread.

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Actually, the rule is near the review. You don't do this because of the location of them.

It is disclosed right above the reviews. Where would you like me to post it? On your fridge?

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

You always get defensive when people dont praise what you say.

I get defensive when people don't know the facts and wrongfully accuse me of something, yes. I'm not going to apologize for that.

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Guess the people who think its wrong should just start reporting them at:
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

Go for it. Go and waste five minutes of your time. If you think that worries me you are sadly mistaken.

I did not come here for a slinging match. I came here to give my opinion on something other people were bagging without knowing the actual facts. If people are then going to wrongfully accuse me of doing something illegal then I will give back as good as I get.

By having a go at me you are also saying the mods of this forum do not know what they are talking about. Is that right? They don't seem to have an issue with my doing this.

Surely you have something more constructive to be doing for your business, I sure do. Nice chatting with you today

[GarrieWilson]

If you took a minute you would find those reviews ARE reviews from my WSO sales thread. They are all reviews taken from my WSO thread. Where do you think I got them from? Thin air? They all link straight back to the original review in my thread.

Umm. A buyer is suppose to read the thread to see? I think not and none of them link back to the original review.

You are grasping at straws now.

It is disclosed right above the reviews.

No, it's not. The reviews start when the sales page opens.

I get defensive when people don't know the facts and wrongfully accuse me of something, yes. I'm not going to apologize for that.

Wrongfully? You are the one who said you paid for reviews. You are the one who is not clearly marking each review as a paid review.

Garrie

[tryinhere]

Originally Posted by RichardDean

Deal only if you can get sbucciarel to change that photo :-)
Richard
Thanks

you can take away free reviews
you can take away discounted reviews
you can squabble till the cows come home

but

leave the pic alone

A hot cigar smokin chick wearing a pilots helmet with a tattooed chest does not come along every day.

[WillR]

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Umm. A buyer is suppose to read the thread to see? I think not and none of them link back to the original review.

You are grasping at straws now.

No, it's not. The reviews start when the sales page opens.

Wrongfully? You are the one who said you paid for reviews. You are the one who is not clearly marking each review as a paid review.

Garrie

I would if they were paid. Thanks anyway Garrie.

I appreciate your advice, just none that I will be taking.

Anyway, on to more important things. Off to deal with all the new sales you guys have caused me by making me respond to all your rubbish. Toodles.

[GarrieWilson]

Originally Posted by WillR

I would if they were paid. Thanks anyway Garrie.

I appreciate your advice, just none that I will be taking.

Anyway, on to more important things. Off to deal with all the new sales you guys have caused me by making me respond to all your rubbish. Toodles.

LOL

Compensation IS payment. So yes, you paid for them. You know it.

Garrie

[Bret Ferguson]

How about the people who put out books at Amazon and then buy reviews for their book at fiverr?

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by tryinhere

you can take away free reviews
you can take away discounted reviews
you can squabble till the cows come home

but

leave the pic alone

A hot cigar smokin chick wearing a pilots helmet with a tattooed chest does not come along every day.

lol .... thank you. Gave me a good laugh for the evening.

[Ken Strong]

Originally Posted by nik0

Sorry to say but like the mods care

I think all the mods should go on a 7-day strike and leave the forum completely unmoderated. Just to see what happens.

[Paul Myers]

Ken,

I think all the mods should go on a 7-day strike and leave the forum completely unmoderated. Just to see what happens.

I'd vote for 2 weeks. Just to let the flavor savor...

I'm betting that the threats of lawsuits would start within 8 hours or so. If we timed it right, we might be able to stave off cannibalism for a few days.


Paul