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Article Syndication Question

by redstanford
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or anyone who wishes to answer. Once I create a great 1000 word-ish article and I publish it to my site first, should I wait until google indexes it before I publish it to EZA, ArticleBase etc?
#alexa #article #question #smith #syndication
  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    She will say yes. I will say it does not matter.

    I always syndicate first, and then put it on my site later if I am going to do that.
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    • Profile picture of the author redstanford
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      She will say yes. I will say it does not matter.

      I always syndicate first, and then put it on my site later if I am going to do that.
      i understand the logic behind it, you want your site to get credit for the "fresh" material before anyone else's does, but does it really matter if it's indexed on your site 1st or the directories?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by redstanford View Post

    should I wait until google indexes it before I publish it to EZA, ArticleBase etc?
    Sorry to be predictable, but "yes".

    After it's been indexed on your site, you can do whatever else you like with it. (EZA is actually the last "port of call" for all the places I send mine to, after they're indexed on my site).

    Originally Posted by redstanford View Post

    does it really matter if it's indexed on your site 1st or the directories?
    It does to me, and to a very high proportion of the article marketers here. We like to accrue the gradual long-term SEO benefits of acquiring all those initial indexations. You won't often find me disagreeing with Bill.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html (All points of view are debated in that thread!)
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      Following the advice of someone on WF, I'm going to start syndicating my articles to a few places first.

      Quondio being one. Not only for the fact that I will get extra syndication outlets, but when it gets published on Quondio I'll have an official date/time stamp, with a link back to my site, which proves the content is mine.

      I think it's all to easy for someone to use your content and get it indexed first. I also don't think it will effect SEO.

      I can see why people do put it on their site first. TBH, as long as I get more visitors - I don't care.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      It does to me, and to a very high proportion of the article marketers here. We like to accrue the gradual long-term SEO benefits of acquiring all those initial indexations. You won't often find me disagreeing with Bill.

      This is where I disagree with most of my contemporaries...

      I put less than 10% of the articles I write on my sites.

      My articles are part of my sales funnel. They pre-sell my readers on me and my topic, then my resource box invites readers to visit my sales pages.

      Most of my sales sites do not have any articles on them. Instead those sites focus on selling the offer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        My articles are part of my sales funnel. They pre-sell my readers on me and my topic, then my resource box invites readers to visit my sales pages.
        That's the difference Bill - you have a sales funnel and actually know WHY you're putting articles out.

        Most people are just throwing up 'stuff' and hoping 'something' about doing it sticks.
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        nothing to see here.

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    • Profile picture of the author redstanford
      Alexa:

      I know you recommend contacting top bloggers in my niche and giving them the articles before publishing them to the directories, but i tried this technique. I contacted 11 top blogs and not one even responded back to me.

      I was respectful, courteous, attached the article write to my email instead of as an attachment, and not one of them published it. and it was a fun yet informational article.

      is there anything else i can do besides just posting it to the directories since my niche doesn't seem open to direct contact in this manner.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by redstanford View Post

        Alexa:

        I know you recommend contacting top bloggers in my niche and giving them the articles before publishing them to the directories, but i tried this technique. I contacted 11 top blogs and not one even responded back to me.

        I was respectful, courteous, attached the article write to my email instead of as an attachment, and not one of them published it. and it was a fun yet informational article.

        is there anything else i can do besides just posting it to the directories since my niche doesn't seem open to direct contact in this manner.
        It's true that niches do vary a little in the extent to which this is "easy" to do. I'm wondering if possibly the people you've approached were all competitors or saw you as a competitor? If you want to send me one of your articles by p.m. I'm happy to comment if I think I have anything useful to say (but no promises!); equally, if you prefer not to, I understand that people don't like to disclose their niches, and absolutely no offense taken at all.
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        • Profile picture of the author redstanford
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          It's true that niches do vary a little in the extent to which this is "easy" to do. I'm wondering if possibly the people you've approached were all competitors or saw you as a competitor? If you want to send me one of your articles by p.m. I'm happy to comment if I think I have anything useful to say (but no promises!); equally, if you prefer not to, I understand that people don't like to disclose their niches, and absolutely no offense taken at all.

          no I'm not afraid . I had to send it two different PM's because apparently it had too many characters
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by redstanford View Post

            apparently it had too many characters
            Pirandello wrote a play about that, I think ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    You might also want to start looking into guest posting, as opposed to article directory marketing. Gets me quite a nice boost in traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Dann Vicker View Post

      You might also want to start looking into guest posting, as opposed to article directory marketing. Gets me quite a nice boost in traffic.

      This is a good approach for many.

      I have always targeted newsletter publishers first... Some of those folks have really large audiences.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        This is a good approach for many.

        I have always targeted newsletter publishers first... Some of those folks have really large audiences.
        Can you elaborate on this? (Pretty please? )
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      • Profile picture of the author iconoclast
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        This is a good approach for many.

        I have always targeted newsletter publishers first... Some of those folks have really large audiences.
        So just to be clear since I am new to all of this, you provide the newsletter owners with some free content and place a resource box at the end pointing to your squeeze page?
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

          So just to be clear since I am new to all of this, you provide the newsletter owners with some free content and place a resource box at the end pointing to your squeeze page?

          Yes, that is it in a nutshell.

          Some of the ezines where I get published charge $16,000 an ad. It is a nice trade.
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          • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            Yes, that is it in a nutshell.

            Some of the ezines where I get published charge $16,000 an ad. It is a nice trade.
            And I can almost promise you Bill is not trading $5 Fiveer articles for $16,000 media buys. It takes a quality writer to accomplish this.
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            • Profile picture of the author tpw
              Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

              And I can almost promise you Bill is not trading $5 Fiveer articles for $16,000 media buys. It takes a quality writer to accomplish this.

              Yep. Those are NOT $5 articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I typically communicate with a publisher several times before offering my content to them.

    The relationship is important, because without it, you are just another spammer.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Using EZA as a portfolio for your articles also may provide a boost in credibility for prospective publishers. Besides providing your article in a query, include a link to your EZA profile and/or articles. Consider targeting relevant ezines/newsletters; editors tend to be more receptive to article submissions for their subscribers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Ogbin
    Thanks guys for these explanations.

    The E-zine publishers will help you so much and dramatically increase your presence in case you use them very well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Now I use a little different tactic to Bill and Alexa .. or maybe not as I have never examined either one's funnels.

    I have a squeeze site in the top tier. I don't even SEO this site. This squeeze site points to different profit streams.

    Second tier will have at least 4 blogs sitting in it .. pointing to a relative squeeze page on the squeeze site. This is tier is devoted to some rather big keywords. If the keywords I am targeting in an article is relative to the structure of these blogs .. my content goes there first. Then to syndication.

    Third tier resources will point to inner pages on the "blog" that have been set up as two phase squeezes that still retain SEO value. A lot of my articles go here first and then to syndication.

    Fourth tier is usually other people's blogs I guest on, people looking for content to give their readers a break from the sales process, or e-zine publishers. Some are laser targeted but in the IM niche it is usually hard to get a publisher selling traffic to accept an article about my traffic generation techniques.

    This is where you somewhat cross promote something that has appeal to a traffic seeking crowd other than traffic. None of my fourth tier content will appear on my own sites.
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