Warriors, Need Help To Fix This Mess!

by koal
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Thanks to those who contributed. Valuable insight. I need to move on (and so does this thread, it's taken a strange turn).
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  • Profile picture of the author damasgate
    In my opinion, any spun article should be used for SEO purposes only. If you want content that makes sense, then you need a re-write and I usually get a person on Fiverr to do it for me.

    On your website, the content you have should definitely be very readable and engaging.

    In short, Spun articles have their place, but not on your main site.
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Originally Posted by damasgate View Post

      In my opinion, any spun article should be used for SEO purposes only. If you want content that makes sense, then you need a re-write and I usually get a person on Fiverr to do it for me.

      - Thanks - It was for SERPS purposes. The person advertised as an expert in that area.

      - The articles on my website are all unique. A few have snippets I use with permission.

      On your website, the content you have should definitely be very readable and engaging.

      - Yes, it is.

      In short, Spun articles have their place, but not on your main site.
      - Right. Now, what is the point?
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      • Profile picture of the author damasgate
        Originally Posted by koal View Post

        - Right. Now, what is the point?
        Not to use spun articles on your main site!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
    First thing you should do is read the forum rules (In the stickies at the top of the forum)

    Rule #1

    If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.


    (I didn't em-bold that. That is how it is written)

    No-one has any way of confirming what you agreed with the other party and at best it will turn into a he said/she said.

    Your only option is to work it out with the person you bought the service from. In general that is not difficult on the forum as most people here are very fair and helpful.

    Just make sure that you have actually contacted them correctly. If their sales thread tells you to contact a helpdesk or a specific support email the make sure you do that.

    Posts in threads, even sales threads and Private Messages can often not get looked at for some time. Even emails can go missing or get missed.
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Originally Posted by damasgate View Post

      In my opinion, any spun article should be used for SEO purposes only. If you want content that makes sense, then you need a re-write and I usually get a person on Fiverr to do it for me.

      On your website, the content you have should definitely be very readable and engaging.

      In short, Spun articles have their place, but not on your main site.
      Originally Posted by Tony Marriott View Post

      First thing you should do is read the forum rules (In the stickies at the top of the forum)

      Rule #1

      If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.


      (I didn't em-bold that. That is how it is written)

      No-one has any way of confirming what you agreed with the other party and at best it will turn into a he said/she said.

      Your only option is to work it out with the person you bought the service from. In general that is not difficult on the forum as most people here are very fair and helpful.

      Just make sure that you have actually contacted them correctly. If their sales thread tells you to contact a helpdesk or a specific support email the make sure you do that.

      Posts in threads, even sales threads and Private Messages can often not get looked at for some time. Even emails can go missing or get missed.

      - Yes, I have tried to contact them, first. It was their address. They have corresponded to me through that address. No, I have not heard back.

      - I was asking what I should do...when I posted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    Spun articles should never be put on a main website. Were you clear about what you wanted? I can't imagine that anyone would agree to spin articles and make sure they are up to your high standards, especially if you paid a bargain bin price. If they did then they were either A.) confused at what was wanted, or B.) planning on ripping you off. Since you say they have good reviews on here, I would bet the former.

    How long has it been since you last contacted them on email and they answered? I'm not trying to disparage you in any way, and I do hope you get things straightened out.
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Originally Posted by Tadresources View Post

      Spun articles should never be put on a main website. Were you clear about what you wanted? I can't imagine that anyone would agree to spin articles and make sure they are up to your high standards, especially if you paid a bargain bin price. If they did then they were either A.) confused at what was wanted, or B.) planning on ripping you off. Since you say they have good reviews on here, I would bet the former.

      How long has it been since you last contacted them on email and they answered? I'm not trying to disparage you in any way, and I do hope you get things straightened out.
      No problem and thank you. The spun article was not on the website. I do not have any spun articles on my website. I asked for someone to spin a Unique article and submit it to directories. That's all. One would think that when someone agrees to do something they would check it over before they submit it.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I asked him to spin it and distribute it and guess what I got, spun articles with nonsensical titles and body text.
    So basically, you got what you paid for. Spun content is normally garbage. As for posting on the WF about your problem with a vendor, read Rule #1 of the WF, which has already been quoted in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlanO
    Honestly, I think it's probably A LOT more trouble than it's worth to try and fix it. Just don't use that guy anymore. Anytime you hire someone you don't know to spin an article you're taking a risk on quality.

    You might need to hire and train someone to do it the way you want it done. Try odesk or something.

    Or you can spin the articles yourself with the best spinner. Here's how you do it.

    Spin several articles for your niche manually.

    Save the synonyms (you think will always work) to your favorites. They have to be highlighted when you save them.

    Protect all the terms you know will never spin well. make sure your settings are saved before you close the program. sometimes the protected terms don't save unless you see the settings saved message in the bottom right hand corner. You should be all set now. It should have taken several hours.

    Once you've done that, take a new article. Replace your favs first. Then replace Everyone's best 3 favs.

    Remove all the nested spinning.

    Edit the places here and there that don't make sense. should have only took 5 or 10 mins.

    Now go to Fiverr and and hire someone who will submit you spun article to whatever service you want. or subscribe to the service yourself.

    Hope that helps. It will make more sense if you have the best spinner in front of you when you read this. That's how I do it and it only takes me about 5 mins to spin a readable article with a minimum 40% uniqueness. Just be careful which favs you save and which terms you protect.

    I don't like having pages of gibberish linking to my sites either.
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Originally Posted by AlanO View Post

      Honestly, I think it's probably A LOT more trouble than it's worth to try and fix it. Just don't use that guy anymore. Anytime you hire someone you don't know to spin an article you're taking a risk on quality.

      You might need to hire and train someone to do it the way you want it done. Try odesk or something.

      Or you can spin the articles yourself with the best spinner. Here's how you do it.

      Spin several articles for your niche manually.

      Save the synonyms (you think will always work) to your favorites. They have to be highlighted when you save them.

      Protect all the terms you know will never spin well. make sure your settings are saved before you close the program. sometimes the protected terms don't save unless you see the settings saved message in the bottom right hand corner. You should be all set now. It should have taken several hours.

      Once you've done that, take a new article. Replace your favs first. Then replace Everyone's best 3 favs.

      Remove all the nested spinning.

      Edit the places here and there that don't make sense. should have only took 5 or 10 mins.

      Now go to Fiverr and and hire someone who will submit you spun article to whatever service you want. or subscribe to the service yourself.

      Hope that helps. It will make more sense if you have the best spinner in front of you when you read this. That's how I do it and it only takes me about 5 mins to spin a readable article with a minimum 40% uniqueness. Just be careful which favs you save and which terms you protect.

      I don't like having pages of gibberish linking to my sites either.
      Thank you, I appreciate the fact that it's just not me who hates gibberish linking to my site.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I don't know how much you paid for the article or the spinning but consider it a lesson. Spinning articles is dead. Forget it. Just like massive backlink submission is dead.

    There's a major change coming over the Internet that will steamroll anyone who doesn't get hip to it really quick. Google and the rest of the giants have gone to war on people dropping crap all over the place. And it doesn't matter if it's a cool SEO strategy or not. It's over.

    If you got one decent article out of the deal consider yourself lucky and re-think your entire business model because scraping, spinning and spamming is dead. Not saying you're doing all of those things, just sayin'
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I don't know how much you paid for the article or the spinning but consider it a lesson. Spinning articles is dead. Forget it. Just like massive backlink submission is dead.

      There's a major change coming over the Internet that will steamroll anyone who doesn't get hip to it really quick. Google and the rest of the giants have gone to war on people dropping crap all over the place. And it doesn't matter if it's a cool SEO strategy or not. It's over.

      If you got one decent article out of the deal consider yourself lucky and re-think your entire business model because scraping, spinning and spamming is dead. Not saying you're doing all of those things, just sayin'
      - This was a UNIQUE article that I paid for and was not spun correctly to make any sense, so no I didn't get a decent article. As far as SERPS, I really don't know yet how the site was affected. And no, I have never done article submission, nor will I again.
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  • Profile picture of the author rooze
    To answer your question, yes, in most instances you should be able to back-track and delete the spun articles from where they have been submitted. If your guy used AMR and used spin text for the account username then it's going to be a long winded process of finding where they are, which username/password belongs to which directory, and then logging into your accounts to delete them.

    My advice would be to forget about it. The types of places that accepted your articles in their sh*tty spun format are not going to be read by people who you care about and they're not going to turn up all over Google SERP's either.

    That's the good news, the bad news comes when you have to reflect on the stupidity of your actions and decide "what the hell was I thinking".

    You claim to care about your reputation then you hand it all on a plate to some guy you met on WF and give them the OK to go ahead and dismantle it.

    Also, forget about trying to point the finger unless you can bend it 180 degrees at the knuckle.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Originally Posted by rooze View Post

      To answer your question, yes, in most instances you should be able to back-track and delete the spun articles from where they have been submitted. If your guy used AMR and used spin text for the account username then it's going to be a long winded process of finding where they are, which username/password belongs to which directory, and then logging into your accounts to delete them.

      My advice would be to forget about it. The types of places that accepted your articles in their sh*tty spun format are not going to be read by people who you care about and they're not going to turn up all over Google SERP's either.

      That's the good news, the bad news comes when you have to reflect on the stupidity of your actions and decide "what the hell was I thinking".

      You claim to care about your reputation then you hand it all on a plate to some guy you met on WF and give them the OK to go ahead and dismantle it.

      Also, forget about trying to point the finger unless you can bend it 180 degrees at the knuckle.

      Good luck.
      - Good news, let's hope that is the case. My only mistake was only to trust someone that claimed to be an expert with great reviews, who hasn't done that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Wow .. who would have ever guessed you would have paid a Warrior to spin articles for you and they would come back a garbled mess?
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      Wow .. who would have ever guessed you would have paid a Warrior to spin articles for you and they would come back a garbled mess?
      - Agree, I learned a huge lesson here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by jackncoke64 View Post

      <snip>I...know all about spinning articles (we still call it re-writing here cos we're quaint)</snip>
      Spinning and re-writing are two completely different things. I do a fair share of manual re-writing, and it often comes out better than the source material I am given to work with.

      If you hire a good writer to do re-writes, you won't be able to tell which is the orginal and which is the re-write. In fact, another Warrior and I did a sort of public re-writing challenge on the forum a while back, and people were not able to tell which was which. (There were four articles in total, and they did no better than chance when guessing.)

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      • Profile picture of the author koal
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        Spinning and re-writing are two completely different things. I do a fair share of manual re-writing, and it often comes out better than the source material I am given to work with.

        If you hire a good writer to do re-writes, you won't be able to tell which is the orginal and which is the re-write. In fact, another Warrior and I did a sort of public re-writing challenge on the forum a while back, and people were not able to tell which was which. (There were four articles in total, and they did no better than chance when guessing.)

        All the best,
        Michael
        I agree. I should have manually rewritten the article, and submitted it to the directories myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Originally Posted by koal View Post

    So, I had a UNIQUE article written for my website by a person who advertises on the forum. They delivered the article, and it was fine.
    - This was a UNIQUE article that I paid for and was not spun correctly to make any sense, so no I didn't get a decent article.
    Ah, which is it? Maybe the key is where you say it was not spun correctly. Bingo! It takes more work to spin an article than it does to write something decent in the first place. If you've come to that conclusion then you're miles ahead of millions of people who will continue to screw around and waste time. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Ah, which is it? Maybe the key is where you say it was not spun correctly. Bingo! It takes more work to spin an article than it does to write something decent in the first place. If you've come to that conclusion then you're miles ahead of millions of people who will continue to screw around and waste time. Good luck.
      ok, let me try this one more time. I paid for a unique article. I gave it to a SERPS expert who would spin the article and submit it to article directories, etc. He did not spin it so it made sense. It was the very first time I have done this, therefore, asking for advice.
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      • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
        Originally Posted by koal View Post

        ok, let me try this one more time. I paid for a unique article. I gave it to a SERPS expert who would spin the article and submit it to article directories, etc. He did not spin it so it made sense. It was the very first time I have done this, therefore, asking for advice.
        As others have said, you really need to pick up and move on.
        You paid for (and received) a unique article on your website. Good.

        Now, you took that same unique article, and paid someone else to spin it, and submit to multiple places for some fee, and THAT's the part that DIDN'T go so well.

        So, realize that it is VERY difficult to spin a quality article that will be 100% legible and not gibberish, EVERY time it is spun.

        {You should|You probably will need to|You absolutely {have to|must } } {learn|educate yourself on} what {good|decent} {spun|spinner generated} content {looks like|ends up looking like}. And don't be afraid to try it yourself if you are more concerned about quality.

        A dumb AI program is incapable of spinning something that is context relevant, and understandable at the same time.

        The short answer is: don't expect quality for a cheap price. It always comes with a cost. If the provider of those services, warrior or not, did not make a promise or guarantee on quality, they have fulfilled their end of the bargain as far as I'm concerned. Although it may not make you happy I know it is unfortunate.
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        • Profile picture of the author koal
          Originally Posted by dv8domainsDotCom View Post

          As others have said, you really need to pick up and move on.
          You paid for (and received) a unique article on your website. Good.

          Now, you took that same unique article, and paid someone else to spin it, and submit to multiple places for some fee, and THAT's the part that DIDN'T go so well.

          So, realize that it is VERY difficult to spin a quality article that will be 100% legible and not gibberish, EVERY time it is spun.

          {You should|You probably will need to|You absolutely {have to|must } } {learn|educate yourself on} what {good|decent} {spun|spinner generated} content {looks like|ends up looking like}. And don't be afraid to try it yourself if you are more concerned about quality.

          A dumb AI program is incapable of spinning something that is context relevant, and understandable at the same time.

          The short answer is: don't expect quality for a cheap price. It always comes with a cost. If the provider of those services, warrior or not, did not make a promise or guarantee on quality, they have fulfilled their end of the bargain as far as I'm concerned. Although it may not make you happy I know it is unfortunate.
          Hey, thanks, you actually made me smile, = you actually get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Folks, we need to get rid of rule #1 - yes number one. I for one, what to know who is ripping off other warriors. It smells rotten in this room. Hey, fellow warriors, if we do not clean up. Well, our gov will, and there will be no forum no more.

    That would be bad for all of us. People who asked to be paid up front are scammers. They take the money -n- run!
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Yes, I think other people in the forum should not have garbage articles linking to their sites. I think they would feel differently if it happened to them. I appreciate your support.
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      • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
        Spun articles are not considered to be very well written articles. They are used for SEO purposes only and should never be put on your main website as content. Maybe the articles should have been rewritten instead?
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        • Profile picture of the author koal
          Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

          Spun articles are not considered to be very well written articles. They are used for SEO purposes only and should never be put on your main website as content. Maybe the articles should have been rewritten instead?
          Thanks, I Mentioned this before, no spun articles on my website.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      Folks, we need to get rid of rule #1 - yes number one. I for one, what to know who is ripping off other warriors. It smells rotten in this room. Hey, fellow warriors, if we do not clean up. Well, our gov will, and there will be no forum no more.

      That would be bad for all of us. People who asked to be paid up front are scammers. They take the money -n- run!

      While Rule #1 protects the guilty, it also -- and more importantly -- protects the innocent as well.

      The mods have no way to know the full stories of the accused and accusers, and they could very well side with the guilty against the innocent, simply because they have no way of knowing the truth of the matter.

      Rather than to get involved in moderating disputes, they have wisely chosen to keep those disputes outside the forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      Folks, we need to get rid of rule #1 - yes number one. I for one, what to know who is ripping off other warriors. It smells rotten in this room.
      I think I can safely speak for all the Warriors on this forum when I say I unequivocally believe we all would much rather have the entire first few pages of this forum filled up with pissing matches than threads that actually provide value.

      So in the name of common sense, let's all band together and get rid of that silly rule.

      On second thought, perhaps I was a bit hastey there...:rolleyes:

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  • Profile picture of the author starlingwriter
    It's like you got an instant mini-course in spinning articles!

    1. What's the difference between spinning and re-writing an article?
    2. Do you really want spun articles linking back to your site?
    3. Do spun articles cheapen your brand and reputation?
    4. The dangers of spinning articles; are you making these newbie mistakes?

    And Finally:

    Get the most out of your mistakes. You already paid for them, so you might as learn something!

    And thank you for posting because, as a newbie, I just learned a lot myself. Including an important forum rule that I didn't know before. I should go read those.

    I don't see the part where anyone failed to give you the advice you asked for. Unless of course you were really just looking for people to support your indignation and desire to name names against forum rules. But that would be silly.

    Pick up, dust off, and carry on. Best of luck

    -Lara
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    • Profile picture of the author koal
      Originally Posted by starlingwriter View Post

      It's like you got an instant mini-course in spinning articles!

      1. What's the difference between spinning and re-writing an article?
      2. Do you really want spun articles linking back to your site?
      3. Do spun articles cheapen your brand and reputation?
      4. The dangers of spinning articles; are you making these newbie mistakes?

      And Finally:

      Get the most out of your mistakes. You already paid for them, so you might as learn something!

      And thank you for posting because, as a newbie, I just learned a lot myself. Including an important forum rule that I didn't know before. I should go read those.

      I don't see the part where anyone failed to give you the advice you asked for. Unless of course you were really just looking for people to support your indignation and desire to name names against forum rules. But that would be silly.

      Pick up, dust off, and carry on. Best of luck

      -Lara

      Lara,

      Let's please stick to the facts here.

      I was looking to see what my options were for finding a way to resubmit articles that made sense, that is all - not looking for people to support my indignation and desire to name names (come on), I don't want anyone else to go through this. What you mentioned, hasn't the foggest to do with what I was trying to find out - reread my post.

      As far as spinning unique articles, when done correctly, as others have mentioned, it would not be a problem.

      It was a unique, original content, article that was spun and not checked before distributed.

      And for the record, I did not mention the person's name, reread my post.
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Originally Posted by koal View Post


        And for the record, I did not mention the person's name, reread my post.
        The op has you there folks .. rule one says .. don't name names ... they didn't.

        Now I was being a little sarcastic in my first post because I don't think there is value in filling the net up with more junk spins .. but .. I have saw several ads, sigs, post on here talking about how great a spinner can be in the hands of a master.

        Apparently this "master" is either not a master or made a mistake by not checking the content before they hit submit. Either way the op didn't get what was promised. The proper channels need to be followed to remind the "master spinner" that they need to follow up on what the sales page promised.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lambert Klein
    Spun articles are junk. Just don't do it. It's like throwing garbage out your window, you are littering up the internet.

    Should get a ticket for that.

    Ever want to research something on the internet and had to wade through a bunch of trash? Well there you go...
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    To the OP: You should have already asked for a refund from your supplier. If you have not you should. And if that request has fallen on deaf ears, you should file a dispute with your payment provider.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

    I think I can safely speak for all the Warriors on this forum when I say I unequivocally believe we all would much rather have the entire first few pages of this forum filled up with pissing matches than threads that actually provide value.





    Or maybe...



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