Stuart Chase And Targeting Prospects...Is He Right Or Wrong?

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Stuart Chase (1888 - 1985) was an American economist. One of my favorite
quotes of his was the following:

For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.
I thought a lot about this in regard to how we target prospects as marketers,
regardless of what niche we're in. In all cases, we ultimately are trying to
convince the prospect that our product is the right one for them. And of
course part of how we do this is through social proof.

For example, we'll print testimonials from customers who have already used
our product, or we'll show proof that the product works, either in some form
of screen print, video, or whatever.

And, we are told, generally speaking, that these things are necessary to
increase our sales.

But after reading Stuart's quote over and over, I sometimes wonder how
true this really is.

Mind you, I don't claim to have the answer to this interesting puzzle. I am
going to leave that for those marketers who are a lot brighter than I am.
I invite everybody to throw their 2 cents into this question.

But first, I'm going to offer my opinion. And mind you, this is just opinion
and could very well be off base. I give this opinion solely on my own
experience as a marketer.

Since I deal mostly with the "make money" niche, I will confine my examples
to that niche.

I get many emails from people that read something like this...

"I've been trying to make money online for 6 years now and haven't made
a dime. I've bought into all the get rich quick schemes and none of them
worked. I have reached the point where I don't believe anything anybody
says any longer. So why should I believe that your product is any better?"

Now, think about where this person's mind is coming from. He's been
burned to death. It doesn't matter whether or not he's actually put any
real effort into any of these things or not. In his mind, he's been burned
and he's done believing.

Is any proof I can offer him, even if it was somebody calling him on the
phone who purchased the product and telling him that they made money
with it, going to make any real difference?

I have found from my own experience that it doesn't...no matter what I
say. Even if I agree with the prospect that most things are scams and
that you have to be very careful. Doesn't matter. I can't remember ever
converting anybody who has already made up their mind that they don't
believe. In other words, as Stuart Chase said, "No proof is possible."

And then there are the emails I get from the wide eyed newbies who are
so full of hope and can't wait to dive in. They start off by telling me, in
this real long email, what their plans are and how they're going to use my
product and build a business that they can retire off of in a few years.
And this is without having to ram a ton of proof down their throat (which
I rarely do in my sales pages)

As Stuart Chase said, "No proof is necessary."

Now, how does this actually apply to going after your ideal prospect? I
mean ideally, wouldn't you want to target people who already believe and
are just looking for a product to fulfill their goal that they've already
decided will be realized once the product is purchased.

I'll give you an example as it applied to me.

I just recently needed to get software to make CD inserts and labels. I
saw the product, saw it claimed to do what I needed (because that's what
it said on the sales page) and so I bought it. I didn't need proof. I
believed it would do what I wanted it to do.

Now, maybe that's a simple example because of the fact that the
application itself was so simple. Granted, maybe for something more
complex, I wouldn't be so trusting. I'd want more info or more proof.

This is where my head starts to hurt because it gets into the area of
human behavior and psychology. But I have to believe that somewhere
out there, somebody knows exactly where, not how, but where to tap
into a market of people who already believe and therefore don't need
any proof to be sold.

Or...is Stuart Chase wrong?

Does everybody need some sort of proof depending on what is being sold?

As I said, I'm inviting everybody to share their 2 cents on this subject
because quite honestly, I don't have the answers. I do all my targeting
by keywords and I seriously doubt that keywords alone are going to
separate the believers from the non believers.

What do you think about all this?

Something to it, or just a lot of psychological mumbo jumbo?
#chase #prospects #stuart #targeting
  • Profile picture of the author Derek Pankaew
    Hey Steven,

    I think there are people who believe who need no proof. There are certainly people who can't be convinced. On the other hand, I think there's a whole range in the middle where most people land in.

    Let's be honest. We've all seen SO many "get rich" products that it really just flies by us now. Yet just the other day, I saw a series of videos by Frank Kern that had be very close to buying. What were those videos?

    - A video of a 15 year old who made $24,000 with his product in a week.
    - A video testimonial from Anthony Robbins about Frank Kern.

    Would I have any chance of buying without these two elements? No way in hell. Frank and blab and sell all he wants, but I ain't buying. A testimonial from Tony Robbins? Now that gets my attention.

    Gary Bencivenga, recognized by many as the #1 copywriter in the world (who has the most control ads running still, I believe,) says his secret to success is proof. If you read his salesletters, they're not hypey, they're not hardsell, they're not over hyped benefits.

    They're salesletters with proof layered after proof after proof. You better believe they convert.

    And guess what? I'd much rather buy a product that I 100% believe will make me $5,000 a month than a product I 1% believe will make me a million.

    My 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Interesting question.

    My opinion is that many people already believe and are completely sold on then benefits a product or service will bring them. For instance a person doesn't need any proof or convincing that losing 100lbs will make them more attractive to the opposite sex.

    They're not sold and do need proof however that a person's particular product will deliver on it's promise and that they're doing business with someone they can trust.

    If the World's greatest copywriters and most successful direct marketing companies all stress the importance of proof elements and make use of them then that's good enough for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by davebo View Post

      That sounds good as a quote, but only addresses the extremes..which is not where most people lie.

      It's like if you're a Christian evangelist. You probalby won't be able to convince too many hard-core athiests, but obviously your message will resonate with people that already believe.

      But there are also 99% of the other people that don't believe or not believe....they just don't care or haven't thought about it. That's who you give proof to.
      I think Dave makes an excellent point here...

      Also...

      When marketing any product, no convincing is really "required" if you are driving targeted traffic of people who actually have a solid interest in what you have/to say.. there are some people that you should just NOT market to... and the proof is/can be there for those that are looking for a reason to say yes anyways..

      I hate when people say we try to convince peeps to buy our products...

      Convincing is not necessary, imho.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by davebo View Post

      That sounds good as a quote, but only addresses the extremes..which is not where most people lie.

      It's like if you're a Christian evangelist. You probalby won't be able to convince too many hard-core athiests, but obviously your message will resonate with people that already believe.

      But there are also 99% of the other people that don't believe or not believe....they just don't care or haven't thought about it. That's who you give proof to.
      Something your post reminded me of which I was going to mention is that when it comes to targeting prospects and choosing a market it's more productive to focus on people who already believe and have thought about their problem/opportunity/desire/solution a great deal. They're what Gary Halbert would call "A hungry market."

      Trying to convince people to buy something which they haven't thought about is a tough job. Not impossible. Just much more difficult.

      So perhaps we can improve the quotation when it comes to marketing by saying: "Those who believe just need a little more convincing and those who don't aren't worth bothering with."
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