Do Membership Sites REALLY create stability?

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Hi guys,

So I have a product that I've been selling and I finally had some real breakthrough success online. Finally made 2K in one day and I'm feeling good about that. (Thanks for everyone who shares hints and tips in this forum)

What I want to do is create a membership area for all of my current customers to discuss their progress and give hints and provide them with updates.

SO my questions is should I charge a small fee for the membership area per month? (My product is an offline home business.)

I want the membership area to require special login but once inside members can interact similar to how we interact here on the Warrior Forum. Does that type of site exist?
#create #membership #sites #stability
  • Profile picture of the author SetOnSuccess
    Also, I'd like to send a very special thanks to everyone on the Warrior Forum because I am Set On Success and you guys help me to get there. 2K in a day is awesome.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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    I believe they are, but only for a certain period of time.

    Its like a list. They are responsive for 2 years or so and then they begin to die out.

    But membership sites are really cool, I need to start thinking about creating one.
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    • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
      Originally Posted by ryanmilligan View Post

      I believe they are, but only for a certain period of time.

      Its like a list. They are responsive for 2 years or so and then they begin to die out.

      But membership sites are really cool, I need to start thinking about creating one.
      Hint: Memberships don't have to be lifetime. You can also create membership sites that drips content over an area of 3 to 4 months. Statistics have proven that an average person will drop out after 3 to 4 months of being subscribed to a (content) membership site.

      Also see this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...-ins-outs.html

      Edit: Oops you aren't a Warroom member. You should consider it!
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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        Originally Posted by StevenJones View Post

        Hint: Memberships don't have to be lifetime. You can also create membership sites that drips content over an area of 3 to 4 months. Statistics have proven that an average person will drop out after 3 to 4 months of being subscribed to a (content) membership site.

        Also see this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...-ins-outs.html

        Edit: Oops you aren't a Warroom member. You should consider it!
        I am a warroom member though.

        Unless you meant the OP!
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    • Profile picture of the author ronr
      I've had membership sites that lasted over 7 years with a steady recurring cash flow each month. That's stability.

      Of course not every topic is evergreeen. the more your website is based on the flavor of the month, the shorter the lifespan.

      Base it on something that changes on a regular basis so you can keep people updated on the changes, or pick an evergreen topic, provide good information and your members site could last a long time.

      Ron
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
    Hello!

    Perhaps this could help you out. This course cover everthing you want to know about membership sites. Membership Cube: Setup a Membership Site Using One of Our Six Proven Business Models

    This holds many valuable information. And can get you on the road to the stability to strive for.

    The secret is in recurring income, hence a subscription and if you can make your members happy and keep them happy... you got a win-win situation.

    Cheers,

    Steven

    PS. Congratz on that 2k.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I would charge a small fee to join the membership area. Just make sure that it's full of information and free products that will convince them to stay for a long period of time.

    Have you ever considered creating your own forum? This would be a free model, but sounds like it can accomplish what you're trying to do here.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    As someone who has generated a lot of subscriptions as an affiliate over the years, I can tell you a few things I've noticed...

    1. Most membership sites that aren't essential to a business or person's life will NOT create stability. Subscriptions will last for a very short time.

    2. Membership sites that provide something that a business or person needs in order to keep their business going creates longterm subscriptions that can last for years.

    3. Fixed term continuity membership sites normally last longer than open ended ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by SetOnSuccess View Post

    So I have a product that I've been selling and I finally had some real breakthrough success online. Finally made 2K in one day and I'm feeling good about that.
    $2k in one day is awesome. How long have you been at this?
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    • Profile picture of the author SetOnSuccess
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      $2k in one day is awesome. How long have you been at this?

      I started working on it last October and created an eBook about my business that I run offline and I am very successful with. I found a Joint Venture partner who sent out to his list of about 1200 people and I got 2K in one day from that. Great Feeling but I wanna keep pushing my goals upward and setting the bar higher.



      Also, thanks to everyone else for your input.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Depends on your intended model for back-end/follow-on products and services.

    If you want to offer ongoing monthly value, then set it up as a recurring membership site and charge for a combination of the community as well as perhaps 2 QA Teleconferences each month where you answer member questions, give advice or offer a training followed by Q&A - these get recorded and over time you build a good repository of archived calls (transcribed they become additional written content).

    Alternatively, perhaps you want to update your content once a month and give them new tools, techniques, training or tips based on what you learn or research.

    OR -- if you don't want to be held to new content each month, you make the community free and use that as leverage for new products (follow-on ebook, home study guide, etc...) or offerings (coaching, group calls, etc...) helping you to sell more but not holding you to a monthly content creation schedule.

    Typically for a paid membership site you do need more than just a community - but it doesn't have to be massive amounts of information, just a couple of nuggets each month is enough.

    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayhew
    I have membership sites priced 4.95/ 17/ 27/37/47/97/ & 997.00 monthly. As already mentioned the average stay is 4 months. The little $4.95 sites? Rarely fall off.
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    • Profile picture of the author SetOnSuccess
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayhew View Post

      I have membership sites priced 4.95/ 17/ 27/37/47/97/ & 997.00 monthly. As already mentioned the average stay is 4 months. The little $4.95 sites? Rarely fall off.

      How do you go about finding fresh content and providing extreme value? I think of this kind of like a magazine subscription. I know that they have maybe 2 years worth of content but then they rinse and recycle the topics. But essentially they are all the same articles and topics and interviews over again. I mean body building is still the same concept as it was 20 years ago. But Bodybuilder magazine continues to put out content you know. Whats your technique though? Also you can pm me if you don't want to say too much openly
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  • Profile picture of the author NoviIM
    Its definitely good to charge an upfront price for a membership site as well as a monthly recurring payement. The recurring payment usually 25-30% of the initial upfront price.
    Also keep updating the membership with new material and content to keep it fresh.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    In my eyes this question is pretty much common sense.

    If you have 100 subscribers paying $20/mo, that's $2,000/mo. As long as your refund rate isn't high, stability is pretty much guaranteed. BUT you must provide some sense of value.

    Don't just go out there and be dedicated to making the money. Provide information/knowledge that others are looking for.

    That's how you'll be really successful

    P.S. You're likely an expert in something. For example if you've been snowboarding for 6 months, you're an expert to me, because I've never been snowboarding. Think about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
    More stability than anything else really, especially if you run a good membership site.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronr
      The key is to get a base of subscribers. Sure members will come and go but as long as you give value members most will stay for awhile. I've had some stay for years. Some will leave but not at the same time but others will also join along the way so done right it can be very stable.

      Ron
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    I've run membership sites for years, only thing you have to remember is that not everyone wants (or can) create compelling content each month and would rather run their business on 6-12 month cycles where they release new products.

    Running a recurring membership site is a great business model, however the reality is that you either have to add something compelling each month (our outsource content creation) - let it sit dormant and people will not stick around.

    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author makingiants
    It wouldn't hurt to create a membership site and maximize your sales.
    The only challenge is to keep your site filled with fresh content every month.
    Possibly you can get others to contribute to your site, and make your work
    a bit easier.

    HTH
    Vince aka makingiants
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
    There are a lot of free forum softwares out there like this one: phpBB • Free and Open Source Forum Software

    I would let people use it for free as a bonus for being a customer. I don't believe people would pay money for a forum unless it already has a lot of perceived value. Or if you can create that value extremely fast.

    Know what I mean?!
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    • Profile picture of the author SetOnSuccess
      Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

      There are a lot of free forum softwares out there like this one: phpBB • Free and Open Source Forum Software

      I would let people use it for free as a bonus for being a customer. I don't believe people would pay money for a forum unless it already has a lot of perceived value. Or if you can create that value extremely fast.

      Know what I mean?!


      I do know what you mean. I've been racking my brain trying to come up with ways to provide extreme value at a fair price or considering free. but with Free I want to have a way to still make money on the back end
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  • Profile picture of the author HolyWarrior
    After listening to an extensive course by Ryan Deiss and Mary-Ellen Tribby, I've found that a great way to keep consistent profits coming in could be to create a membership newsletter. However, if you're going to do this, then you can't charge very much per person if you want to keep them longer term.

    So long as you release two newsletters per week to your list subscribers, and the newsletters are actually beneficial to the people who are reading them, then I imagine you could charge between $1 to $3 a month per subscriber.

    If you wanted a different approach, you could present your newsletter to prospects who are willing to pay to have their advertisement slipped into your newsletter. It's not recommended that you have more than 3 advertisements per newsletter, and you can charge according to placement and number of subscribers.

    According to Mary-Ellen, a subscriber to her newsletter is worth an average of $1 each, though she has many thousands of subscribers, and pulls in more than $10,000 each week because of what she charges people to put their ads in her newsletter.

    So, if you charge your subscribers, you'll likely have fewer subscribers overall, but the benefit is that with an incredibly low automatic monthly payment, like $1 to $3, even if they don't get some incredible benefit from your newsletter, there's a good chance that once they're used to receiving it, they won't bother to go into PayPal and cancel their subscription. This is assuming they even remember that it costs anything because of the low price. (I believe they call this "MicroContinuity)

    On top of this, you can promote your OWN advertisements to them, but if you do, it's best that you make sure it's very closely related to what the current issue of your newsletter is about. (Though as Mary-Ellen has proven, sometimes some spontaneous "Make Money from Home!" ad can work out really well)

    So there's the two main options I can think of. Of course, you could always put out your newsletter for free, and simply put your own ads and affiliate links within, that way you're disguising your marketing efforts as beneficial products that could help your readers.

    I hope this was helpful, and I know there's plenty of ways to get creative with this type of approach. Use your imagination, and make yourself a fortune.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Joseph
    What I would suggest is to offer two options:

    1) A FREE membership. With limited access.

    2) A paid membership. With full access.

    There are certain extra's you can throw in to make it interesting, and get everyone involved.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    I believe they can, but from my experience, running a membership site takes a lot of content, admin and support to be successful. I did this for a while.

    However, now, I have actually achieved a higher level of consistency with much less work just building lists and promoting mostly affiliate programs.

    If you also get your list subscribers into reading your blog posts, following your valuable information on social networks, etc. you can actually make a lot more sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author SetOnSuccess
      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      I believe they can, but from my experience, running a membership site takes a lot of content, admin and support to be successful. I did this for a while.

      However, now, I have actually achieved a higher level of consistency with much less work just building lists and promoting mostly affiliate programs.

      If you also get your list subscribers into reading your blog posts, following your valuable information on social networks, etc. you can actually make a lot more sales.

      Thanks Kat, this is one of my main objectives is to build a list and give value through information this way. I'm trying to lock down my main course of action now.
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  • Profile picture of the author mtip
    Memberships sites do create stability but you also need to spend a lot of time on them - first building the content, then attracting and retaining your members. As a result, it could turn out that the time you spend on your membership site earns less than if you spend it on other projects. As for fees, I would definitely recommend to charge - a moderate fee, not a very high one because this will limit your membership.
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