All marketers are liars?

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I never read the book by Seth Godin, but I can understand what he meant.

All people who do marketing, manipulate facts, stories, etc to their own benefit.

Here's some examples of that manipulation and the "lies"

1) As an example - isn't it misleading when you write emails that other JV partners can send out that give the impression the words came from the JV partner himself?

In the mass control pre-launch I received the same exact email from 2 big name marketers...that was obviously trying to make it look like they wrote it themselves.
obviously a template that was just copy and paste.

2) How much of the details of salesletters and email stories are totally made up to better convey the image the person wants to be conveyed. I mean details in the story being told. Such as ..."I was out having dinner with friends when I suddenly realized..."

3) I was listening to an audio between 2 large marketers talking about giving bonuses with deadlines and telling the prospect that if they don't order by midnight, they lose the bonus...but when they join the members area...the bonus is still there.

They were debating ways to get around this like telling everyone, as soon as they enter the members area...We have rewarded you by giving you ALL the bonuses.

4) How about the Values on bonuses that are thrown up. "I was going to sell this for $297 but I decided to give it to you free, so you're getting $297 worth of value for free"

I once commented on a well know marketers blog about where these values come from as they seem pulled out of thin air. The next day, my blog comment was deleted and my question never addressed.

When I got this spiral booklet and compared it to an old copy of Corey Rudl's 2005 version of his course with 2 huge binders, plus other things...the fact that someone could put a tag of $297 on this booklet which had maybe 1/20th the info of Rudl's course, is laughable.

And this is a huge well known marketer.

The famous painter Edgar Degas said...."Painting takes as much preparation and deception as the perpetration of a crime"

In a way, running a marketing campaign does too.

Why are those points above usually thought of as acceptable...but running a javascript with a changing "Buy before XXX date or the price will increase" is now thought of underhanded and dishonest?
#liars #marketers
  • Profile picture of the author Darth Executor
    Originally Posted by jamawebinc View Post


    Why are those points above usually thought of as acceptable...but running a javascript with a changing "Buy before XXX date or the price will increase" is now thought of underhanded and dishonest?

    It isn't "now thought of underhanded and dishonest" actually. Most white hatters are really gray hat and stew in their own self-righteousness when in reality they lie just as much as anybody else to sell their crap. Marketing is lying, at its core. IMO, the best way to stay ethical isn't to not lie, but rather to make sure you produce/pimp USEFUL products. This way if you mesmerize someone into buying it, they'll actually get some value for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author robd1302
      Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post

      Marketing is lying, at its core.
      Wow, that's pretty harsh. I was always taught that marketing is about finding out what people need, and figuring out a way to provide it to them while turning a profit. Perhaps you've had some pretty bad experiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Not all marketers are liars, but a lot are.

    They make false promises, they over hype things and just plain lie about numbers. But to say that marketing is lying is a short term view and would kill any business very quickly. It's always better to under promise and over deliver imho.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      As humans we have to process everything we can perceive about the world and represent it to ourselves - and then function based on leaving most of what we need to know in the realm of 'I don't have time to check for myself so I'll take the word of 'experts''.

      It's no wonder all marketers are liars - we all are to some extent.

      Most people don't actually understand the meaning of most of what they say, and much of it is meaningless anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author jamawebinc
        Originally Posted by Jeff Hope View Post

        Let me paraphrase a wonderful reply Robert Puddy made to me on a similar post:

        Do you expect McDonalds will sell more Big Macs by showing pictures of how they really look (something about being run over by a car here!), or by showing the idealized, airbrushed version?
        Of course..because the manipulated stuff sells better.

        I'm not saying it's wrong. Its sort of - that's the way the game is played so you better learn the rules so you can play it well.

        But it does uphold the "All marketers are liars stuff"
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