Outsourcing success - Page 1 for $40

by minion
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The main point of this thread is to encourage people who are thinking about outsourcing, but are worried about the horror stories they've read.
I've seen quite a few threads around outsourcing, and it seems that opinions are pretty divided on whether it works or not.

Last week I posted a job on oDesk (definitely my favourite site out of all of them) for an SEO expert. There are definitely a lot of terrible freelancers on there, but that just means you need to be careful about who you hire.

Just 1 week after hiring a contractor, we've gone from nowhere on Google to #6/7 for 2 of our major keywords (medium competition), with a couple of others around page 3, and we have not done any other SEO on the website.

He does everything manually (no automated software involved), sends me a report every few days and seems to be very honest, trustworthy and reliable.

Overall, I'm happy with the result - I think I've found someone who we will be working with for a long time.

I've been working with oDesk (as freelancer and buyer) for 5-6 years, and I still think it's a great place to find contractors or projects - obviously you need to be careful about not picking a scammer. Here are some rules that I follow when hiring:

#1 - Never give out Skype/IM until you're seriously considering hiring them. A lot of them will push for your Skype/email address after 1 message so they can then try to sell you their services instead of focusing on the job. If they can't answer your questions via oDesk, they probably can't answer them via Skype.
An example of this: I was hiring a web developer, per hour to work on finishing up a couple of projects. As soon as he had my Skype details, he was redirecting me to his sales page and pushing me to purchase a "Cheap website".

#2 - Watch for spammers - There are definitely people with multiple accounts (and in my opinion, dishonesty is a huge black mark on your application), so make sure you read through every single job application properly. You should be able to identify these in most cases - usually you'll get applications that are signed off with a different name, or you'll see multiple people using a similar script.

#3 - Make sure you provide all of the job details - There's nothing worse than having a freelancer who can't do the job you've asked of them. Most of the time, they won't admit it - they'll simply be slow to respond, and never seem to get anything done. By the time you realise, you're two weeks past deadline and nothing to show for it.

#5 - Start up a conversation in your job posting - Ask them something that will require them to think about your project.
Example: When applying: please provide a estimated timeframe for each of the modules described above, and summarize what needs to be done to complete them.

#6 - Always check their feedback history for negative feedback.
If they have negative feedback, ask them about it. They'll likely make up an excuse, but at least you'll be able to decide whether to cross them off or not.

Hopefully those tips will help some people. And if you hire a freelancer who doesn't do their job, or you're not 100% happy with, end the contract. At the end of the day, just because they're freelancers doesn't mean they can get away with being unprofessional.
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  • Profile picture of the author NoviIM
    Hey Minion, Great Post, I also agree with you regarding Odesk being a great place to find outsourcing staff. Majority of the people I hired from there were of very high quality and produced great work..

    This is a great list for someone who is looking for outsourcing to follow.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author HCRoyo
    Hi Minion, I Work at Odesk and I can also say that the situation goes both ways. When I was starting out, I used to wonder if I will get paid too, but then I trusted the person who hired me and gave me opportunity to work. I have worked for that person for quite a long time (1 year+) and we parted ways when I started to build my own sites.

    I am still working at Odesk, handling some major SEO work for websites. But after almost 50 contracts and close to 1000 hours logged in, there is only 1 rule I use in order to make sure I deliver great results to those who hire me:

    Treat your employer's business as your own.
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    • Profile picture of the author minion
      Originally Posted by HCRoyo View Post

      Hi Minion, I Work at Odesk and I can also say that the situation goes both ways.
      Definitely agree with you - I'm more often a freelancer on oDesk than a buyer/client and have worked with some great clients in the past. I always look at it as building a relationship with your clients, and one in particular had been giving me fixed-project, full-time work for almost 3 years until I took a full-time local job.

      I have a feeling that people often view freelancing sites as a place to find cheap, low quality workers - and this is not always the case. Sure, it's one option - but there are plenty of talented people on there, people who you'd expect to find working in a large company earning big money for their skills.

      It'd be great if buyers/clients had more confidence in the site and it's workers, and I'm hoping that this post will help some filter out the bad eggs.
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  • Profile picture of the author peopleforsearch
    Agree ! Minion !!

    You raised nice point, it is true that one should always be careful when hiring some SEO specialist for his projects, one thing they can do is to send any project for a week or fortnight to that specialist and after reviewing the work and report, they can hire him for number of projects.
    We are 'People for Search' a Mumbai (India) based Online Marketing Company, we are ready to work on outsourced projects on very genuine cost. Contact us by email, our email id is nimit[at]pfb[dot]co[dot]in
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Page 1 for $40 is misleading.

    What keywords?

    Big difference between first page for "insurance" as opposed to "glittery rollerblades for gay elephants"
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulMcGregor
      LMAO. I've never really outsourced SEO work, but maybe thats my lack of trust with it comes to SEO "gurus". I outsource a lot of tasks I hate doing though.

      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Page 1 for $40 is misleading.

      What keywords?

      Big difference between first page for "insurance" as opposed to "glittery rollerblades for gay elephants"
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  • Profile picture of the author ChloeCKimberley
    Sounds great, minion.

    Could you tell me how you rated the competition of your keywords? I normally refer medium competition to title and URL exact match results. What range of statistics did yours fit in? Did you just measure the top 10 or something?

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aswad
    Great post...I had an experienced hiring developers from odesk. So far, it turns out OK. Im not really pleased with the work, but it will be good experience.
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