How can I get more clients for my writing gig?

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I tried bidding on projects at Freelancer.com but had no luck and wasted hours there. I posted an ad here, but haven't gotten any replies. I posted an ad on fiverr.com as well but haven't gotten any replies either.

I tried textbroker.com where I was getting paid $.01 per word, and the client was paying $.015 per word to textbroker which I really loved, because I could find gigs right away. But the problem is that there isn't enough gigs there to sustain myself. I am a 3 star writer there, which is considered a good writer.

Is there other sites like text broker? I can write up to 20 500 word articles per day, and looking to make $100 per day, but that site is not making it possible. Since I am not seeing many replies here, I am starting to believe that I won't be getting much customers here either.

Any suggestions?
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  • Profile picture of the author norrimac
    Tried Vworker?
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    You can try posting your services on forums such as this one. I think it's about $20 to post your service and if you give out a few free reviews to some reputable warriors, or whatever other forums call there posters, then you should get some good feedback and customers as long as your work is good and worth the price you ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gerald Arno
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    What determines your profits in any business is skill, marketing and self esteem.

    You will need to create a strong brand around writing and be competent in it.

    You can start a warrior for hire thread, and do some additional marketing. A good way to drive free traffic to your thread is through posting comments on threads where you know answers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    The problem is that at your price point you are in a crowded market. The ratio of buyers to sellers in the $.01 is pretty close (if not balanced against writers). The way to escape that rat race would be to buck up and charge more for your content.

    I would guess that you might run into a snag in that situation though. If you are only pulling a 3 star rating at one of those content mills, you might not be ready quality wise to command more money. Of course this is just speculation, I have no idea what your skills actually are. Still, I would recommend practicing your craft so that you can charge more per client.

    There is much more breathing room the higher you go, believe it or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      The problem is that at your price point you are in a crowded market. The ratio of buyers to sellers in the $.01 is pretty close (if not balanced against writers). The way to escape that rat race would be to buck up and charge more for your content.

      I would guess that you might run into a snag in that situation though. If you are only pulling a 3 star rating at one of those content mills, you might not be ready quality wise to command more money. Of course this is just speculation, I have no idea what your skills actually are. Still, I would recommend practicing your craft so that you can charge more per client.

      There is much more breathing room the higher you go, believe it or not.
      I agree with this. But I wouldn't want to charge someone something that is not reasonable. I was hoping to get many gigs at the lower price, and increase my skills as I go.

      I believe I am a pretty good writer, but do need to refine my skills. I have put some samples in my Warrior for Hire. If anyone can give it a quick view and tell me what you think of those samples, I'd greatly appreciate it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

        I agree with this. But I wouldn't want to charge someone something that is not reasonable. I was hoping to get many gigs at the lower price, and increase my skills as I go.

        I believe I am a pretty good writer, but do need to refine my skills. I have put some samples in my Warrior for Hire. If anyone can give it a quick view and tell me what you think of those samples, I'd greatly appreciate it.
        Well, that is a mental block you are going to get over fast. $.015 per word is not you being reasonable. It is you playing in the lower end of the market because you believe that is the only place there are clients willing to buy. It is not true, at all.

        Anyways, I read your for hire thread. Man, do you love to use commas. Your two samples also read very much like the middle school/high school five paragraph essays. You even use the "In this essay we will talk about x" tactic:

        Here you will find out the importance of email marketing, how to find a useful blog, and what it should teach you.
        Now I'm not trying to bash you here. This is just an honest critique. You need to practice and refine your craft.
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        • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
          Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

          Well, that is a mental block you are going to get over fast. $.015 per word is not you being reasonable. It is you playing in the lower end of the market because you believe that is the only place there are clients willing to buy. It is not true, at all.

          Anyways, I read your for hire thread. Man, do you love to use commas. Your two samples also read very much like the middle school/high school five paragraph essays. You even use the "In this essay we will talk about x" tactic:



          Now I'm not trying to bash you here. This is just an honest critique. You need to practice and refine your craft.
          No hard feelings brother.
          I really do understand that there is higher gigs out there. As you have said, I must refine my skills before I can make that leap.

          I believe that the price that I am charging now, is reasonable for the skills that I posses at the moment.

          About your comment about my writing; I was always taught that telling people what they will read early on will help them stay focus.

          I have taken a public speaking class, and writing classes that have stressed this. Now I may be wrong, but it sure is nice to get some honest critiques. It really does help, and its part of me growing as a writer, and eventually charging the high end prices where the market is less saturated, like you say.

          I really appreciate you taking the time to rate my samples.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

            I believe that the price that I am charging now, is reasonable for the skills that I posses at the moment.
            That belief may be entirely right - it may be wrong: it doesn't actually matter very much which.

            Whether its right or wrong, the outcome of it is that you're pursuing work in a market in which (a) there are nearly as many service providers as customers, and (b) the clients are mostly running businesses which don't survive for long. Hence your problem.

            It's terribly difficult to make a living writing $6 articles, not because people won't pay more (huge numbers of people will, and do, every day) but because the $6 clients tend to be people whose own businesses don't flourish (they often don't know how to use the articles because very often they think of "article marketing" only in SEO terms, and to put it mildly that belief isn't very conducive to the survival of an internet marketing business involving "article marketing"!), and therefore these writers need permanently to advertise for new clients, to allow for this.

            The reason you don't see writers of $100 articles advertising all the time isn't (as some wrongly imagine) that they don't exist because "people won't pay that": it's mostly the fact that their clients know how to use their work, with the result that their own businesses do well, and they keep returning for more.These are writers who are often as fully booked up as they want to be. Does that help?

            In other words, it's about the markets in which you choose to compete.

            Trying to compete on price and aiming only at the very bottom end of an evanescent, high-turnover market, as you're doing now, really is making life terribly difficult for yourself.

            See if any of this stuff helps - there are loads of ideas here?

            First, if you read through the following recent threads, you'll find many helpful observations and suggestions.

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...g-pricing.html

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...g-service.html

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-writing.html

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ng-career.html

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4218809

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...les-money.html

            Secondly, if you want to think a little more about "the markets in which ones chooses to compete, as a writer", you might find some of these resources helpful/interesting (and most of the recommendations in them for "further reading" will also be pretty reliable ones, I think) ...

            Jennifer Mattern's blog

            Carol Tice's blog

            Freelance writing jobs (minmum payment requirement of $50 per article to be listed there)

            Free report on how to attract new freelance writing clients during a recession

            The Renegade Writer Blog

            The "Irreverent Freelancer" blog

            The Well-Fed Writer: Lucrative Commercial Freelance Writing - Land Lucrative Freelance Writing Jobs

            Words on the Page.

            Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
      Originally Posted by Simmeon View Post

      Please not your signature link does not work. That is a problem.
      Thank you for this, I appreciate it. I fixed it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Levin
    Try iWriter.

    You can basically go to the customer rather than have them go to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
      Originally Posted by manicmonkey View Post

      Try iWriter.

      You can basically go to the customer rather than have them go to you.
      I have looked into this site, but they charge less than $.01 per word for starters into you gain about 25 reviews.

      I believe I am worth more than that.
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    Here is some great advice for any struggling web writer.
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  • Profile picture of the author hocuspocus32
    hey if you are from US , then try WriterAccess - Content Marketplace - Website Content Services , I have not used it but it pays well
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    • Profile picture of the author gvsridhar171
      Use your writing talent in reviewing affiliate products and create a good website of your own. I have offered my "Mentoring Programme" for reviewers in WF and have received reasonably very good response. The programme got commenced on 2nd April and is going on very successfully and people who have joined this programme are enjoying the same. So far so good. In 3 days one person has developed his website using all his writing skills and the website looks really classy.

      What I am trying to say here is to build your own website exhibiting your writing skills and post few testimonials if you can and offer the first 10 customers something free and see how it is working.

      To drive traffic to your website, use the free ways and drive and see results.
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      • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
        Originally Posted by gvsridhar171 View Post

        Use your writing talent in reviewing affiliate products and create a good website of your own. I have offered my "Mentoring Programme" for reviewers in WF and have received reasonably very good response. The programme got commenced on 2nd April and is going on very successfully and people who have joined this programme are enjoying the same. So far so good. In 3 days one person has developed his website using all his writing skills and the website looks really classy.

        What I am trying to say here is to build your own website exhibiting your writing skills and post few testimonials if you can and offer the first 10 customers something free and see how it is working.

        To drive traffic to your website, use the free ways and drive and see results.
        I am currently offering 9 free reviews so I can gain some testimonials here on the forum, and hope it helps me create some momentum and maybe build some potential customers in the future.
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      Originally Posted by hocuspocus32 View Post

      hey if you are from US , then try WriterAccess - Content Marketplace - Website Content Services , I have not used it but it pays well
      There's already some great advice that's been offered here! I just wanted to chime in and say that I've enjoyed writing at Writer Access. I rarely write there anymore, but it's good place to make some extra cash while you're refining your writing skills - provided that you can deliver quality work and stick to deadlines.

      Additionally, when you're using bidding sites, know your worth and be confident when you place bids on projects. If you don't sound confident in your ability, then there's no reason for a potential client to take you seriously, either.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
      Originally Posted by Adrian98 View Post

      Vworker and the textbroker both are new to me!! Even i wasted my big part of time over freelancer and fiverr! Now I think I should try Vworker and textbroker!
      I took a glimpse at vworker and it seems to be very similar to freelancer.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMHunter
    Register on Internet Marketing Forums
    Give them free 5-20 Articles
    Get Reviews
    And Then try to market more yourself
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by IMHunter View Post

      Register on Internet Marketing Forums
      Give them free 5-20 Articles
      Get Reviews
      You don't think it might be precisely because that's what so many "beginning writers" are doing, every day of the week, that barely a week goes by without one of them starting off a new thread here asking how to get more clients

      How many of them do there have to be before people start appreciating that what you've suggested is part of the problem, not part of the solution?

      They're all offering free articles to get reviews, competing on price with each other, and then expecting to be able to establish a business in which they can gradually increase their prices later, after they have some so-called "established clients".

      It seems that however many people who have successfully run writing businesses explain that that service-business model doesn't apply to article-writing, because of the market forces involved, others are just determined repeatedly to suggest it anyway. In short, that's what all the people who "need help" are doing - and none of the people making a living from it.

      Which group is it better to emulate
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneySavingLisa
    I'm in the same boat. It's hard to write so many all day so I'm trying to find additional ways to streamline my income. I can usually write pretty fast, but this past week has me behind since my mom is in the hospital after a heart attack this week.

    I do have a blog I try to update, and I have one adsense site that I purchased on the WF that is working out pretty great. I'm also brainstorming some other ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
      Whatever level you feel your writing is at, being open to criticism is huge. Kudos on that. And, to add yet one more link:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-re-worth.html

      Read closely the words of the man wearing the purple shirt and the white beard of wisdom.

      There are a whole bunch 'o web pages on da net. The only people who think that $1-$5/hour is an appropriate wage for a freelance writer are IMers. Not all IMers feel this way, but every person thinking that is suitable compensation for your work is an IMer. Don't be afraid to expand your potential customer base.

      What the hell do I know, but if I were to follow up on Joe's comments, I would suggest de-stuffy-izing yourself. Replace a little classroom formed structure with some of that personality you are showing us to have with your avatar pic.
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      • Profile picture of the author deejones
        I do believe there are people out there who will pay more than $1 per 100 words for my writing. Finding them is a whole other story. One great piece of advice I see given to writers on the forums is to build relationships with people willing to pay more for content. I think that's awesome advice. And I have very little idea how to actually do it. I'm trying to learn, and I've had a smidge of success as a result. But I still feel like there's a wall there that I just can't break through because I don't know how. At least not yet.

        I do want to post a Warrior for Hire ad. But, looking over that part of the forum, it does seem like you have to sell yourself short a lot in order to have any hope of getting clients there.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by deejones View Post

          I do want to post a Warrior for Hire ad. But, looking over that part of the forum, it does seem like you have to sell yourself short a lot in order to have any hope of getting clients there.
          It seems like that; yes.

          Because, rightly or wrongly, that's what everyone does there. Because it seems like that, because everyone does that, because that's just how it seems.

          I'm not convinced it really is: I suspect there might be "another market", even there, as well, which can be brought out of the woodwork if it's appropriately engaged. It's going to cost someone $20 (and a very carefully and suitably worded announcement there) to find out whether I'm wrong about that, but it won't be me, because I have no writing service to offer. But that $20 is less than one order from one customer, if I'm right. "Just saying" ...
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          • Profile picture of the author deejones
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            It seems like that; yes.

            Because, rightly or wrongly, that's what everyone does there. Because it seems like that, because everyone does that, because that's just how it seems.

            I'm not convinced it really is: I suspect there might be "another market", even there, as well, which can be brought out of the woodwork if it's appropriately engaged. It's going to cost someone $20 (and a very carefully and suitably worded announcement there) to find out whether I'm wrong about that, but it won't be me, because I have no writing service to offer. But that $20 is less than one order from one customer, if I'm right. "Just saying" ...
            I'm thinking seriously about taking the plunge. But going to the WFH forum and looking things over is more than a little disheartening.


            Originally Posted by danr62 View Post

            Dee, if you can really write magazine quality articles then maybe you should try actually writing for magazines/
            I intend to. But I do enjoy writing web content, and figure I can do both.
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            • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
              Originally Posted by deejones View Post

              I'm thinking seriously about taking the plunge. But going to the WFH forum and looking things over is more than a little disheartening.
              I have come to the same conclusion. Although I certainly trust Alexa's knowledge of this forum and its demographics, and she graciously and gratuitously hands out a plethora of sound advice, my biggest concern is whether or not the clientele of which she speaks and which you seek has long abandoned looking for the type of services you want to offer, at the price point you would consider worth your time, in that sub-forum.

              And twenty bucks might get buried on page ten before the right pair of eyes goes looking for your services there. But, then again, it might be twenty bucks well spent and returned one hundred fold in the end. Literally, if not more.

              C'mon dee, be the guinea pig and let us know how it goes. All of the cool kids are doing it ...
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by Christopher Fox View Post

                And twenty bucks might get buried on page ten before the right pair of eyes goes looking for your services there.
                Yes; very good point: it probably will.

                One would perhaps have to link to it in a sig-file and post regularly, too, so that its "position in the folder" is less relevant?
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                • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  One would perhaps have to link to it in a sig-file and post regularly, too, so that its "position in the folder" is less relevant?
                  Well, that settles it then. Now dee has no excuse to not be the guinea pig. You hand out lots 'o good stuff on the forum. I am sure that I am not the only one who appreciates that effort ...
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                  • Profile picture of the author deejones
                    Originally Posted by Christopher Fox View Post

                    Well, that settles it then. Now dee has no excuse to not be the guinea pig. You hand out lots 'o good stuff on the forum. I am sure that I am not the only one who appreciates that effort ...
                    I've actually gone to the WFH section several times intending to start writing up an ad. But, every time I do, I see another ad charging lower and lower rates.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                      Originally Posted by deejones View Post

                      I've actually gone to the WFH section several times intending to start writing up an ad. But, every time I do, I see another ad charging lower and lower rates.
                      That's a good thing, Dee. Less competition at the top for us . I'll be launching my newest one soon as well, and checking up on the content threads already in there actually serves as a boost to my confidence more than anything else.
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                      • Profile picture of the author deejones
                        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

                        That's a good thing, Dee. Less competition at the top for us . I'll be launching my newest one soon as well, and checking up on the content threads already in there actually serves as a boost to my confidence more than anything else.
                        I like the way you think. And I’m trying to adopt the same mindset. But so many writers in the Warriors for Hire section are competing on price. And the rates keep dropping lower and lower.

                        Since I don’t want to drop my rates past a certain point, I wouldn't be competing on price. Competing on quality, on the other hand, is something I can definitely do.
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                        • Profile picture of the author danr62
                          Originally Posted by deejones View Post

                          I like the way you think. And I'm trying to adopt the same mindset. But so many writers in the Warriors for Hire section are competing on price. And the rates keep dropping lower and lower.

                          Since I don't want to drop my rates past a certain point, I wouldn't be competing on price. Competing on quality, on the other hand, is something I can definitely do.
                          Just say no to the Wal-mart competition model...

                          Be like Macy's.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                          Originally Posted by deejones View Post

                          I like the way you think. And I'm trying to adopt the same mindset. But so many writers in the Warriors for Hire section are competing on price. And the rates keep dropping lower and lower.

                          Since I don't want to drop my rates past a certain point, I wouldn't be competing on price. Competing on quality, on the other hand, is something I can definitely do.
                          I know what you mean, I make a point of watching those threads daily. It's an interesting look into a "free market model" if you will. Anyways, I don't want the clients that are even looking at the undercutting market. Put your ad up at your rates, and attract the clients willing to pay it.

                          Everyone else? They're nothing to you. Let them duke it out for .006 per word (I kid you not, this number is starting to become more popular than the penny per word price point :rolleyes:).
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                • Profile picture of the author catcat
                  To really test this out you'd need to be prepared to bump the thread a few times. Really, it's only $20, and when you consider the long term value of repeat customers, it's a drop in the bucket.

                  If you invest $100 into advertising the thread and end up with solid repeat customers that will order from you for years to come and will recommend you to others $20 per bump really doesn't seem like a lot.

                  I'd say to really test it out be prepared to invest some money to bump it a few times and to tweek the copy.
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        • Profile picture of the author Archie82
          Originally Posted by deejones View Post

          I do believe there are people out there who will pay more than $1 per 100 words for my writing. Finding them is a whole other story.
          well look no further... I pay as much as $10 per 100 words in some cases. But it has to be a very well researched and properly presented piece. And not the kind you find offered here for $4 per 400 words article.
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  • Profile picture of the author danr62
    Dee, if you can really write magazine quality articles then maybe you should try actually writing for magazines? Many of them pay much more than $25 for a single 500 word article and can bring high quality traffic to your site.

    For instance, here is one of the people I recently started reading:

    The Best Way to Begin a Writing Career | Goins, Writer
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  • Profile picture of the author damasgate
    It's sad, but good writing is becoming a very bad paid skill in the online marketplace.

    There is one place however where you will never sell yourself short and that is.......

    Writing Essays for college students.

    If you do it right, then you can get paid very handsomely. They require a lot more research and diligence, but for a 10 page essay you can expect at least $500.

    That is the standard price pretty much.
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  • Profile picture of the author clickcentive
    I say offer your services FREE for first 5 customers to all major digital marketing forums (this, bhw, etc etc). After some good reviews, customers will come flocking.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I have a friend that makes a good income with her writing. She was actually a 4 start writer at Textbroker and a 5 star at one point. She has her own website that showcases all of her work and she has clients that contact her directly through her website. She has also placed an ad on the forum here (and paid $20) and received a lot of response. It takes time but it can be done.
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  • Profile picture of the author 100k
    Thanks for all the useful tips and links boys and gals.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruth P
    The discussion of pricing here is very interesting. I was also going to say that you don't need to limit yourself to a price you feel is "fair" based on the competition, though others have said it a lot more eloquently.

    When I was ghostwriting I didn't really have any "connections" online, I didn't even have my own website to showcase my samples (though this is a good idea), but I was never out of work even though I was charging higher.

    There were a few things that helped. Firstly, I made sure I took a lot of time over my ad. I thought about what potential clients typically want to know (rates, turnaround time, experience, payment terms, samples etc.) and made sure it was all there for them in the thread.

    Secondly, I didn't just rely on that thread. I took the link, put it in my signature and posted helpful replies wherever I could. I made sure these replies were also well-written to showcase my writing.

    I then browsed through job offers and sent a number of replies. I used the same basic format but always personalised the responses to the individual job to show potential clients I had really read what they were looking for.

    I found that I had a HUGE advantage over many $0.01 per word writers because a) I paid attention b) I didn't disappear on clients after just a few cheap articles and c) my samples and ad weren't full of glaring errors like many are.

    The good news is once you put the effort in in the beginning, you'll get referrals and you'll always have work.

    From the viewpoint of someone who was looking for a writer recently... it is totally obvious to me which writers are charging $0.01 just because they can't write or they don't put in any effort, and which writers deserve to be paid more. Spend some time on those samples and ad and it really pays off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Runner900
    Freelancing10, I'd recommend;

    1. On your profile, have as many examples of your writing as possible. Potential employers want to see what you can do. It staggers me how many freelancers apply for jobs when they don't even have a properly set up profile.

    2. Establish yourself in a niche area. Think about what you know a bit about and hold yourself out as an expert in that area. Think deep. If done properly you will get work not only from the people looking for writers in your niche area, but also from others as you generate referrals.

    3. Offer to write for free (ie; on a trial basis) for an employer who you think may be a repeat hirer or may be able to offer you ongoing work.

    Many other things you can do to get work in this area, but these three tips should have you well on your way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Joseph
    I would suggest staying persistent in your approach, and beginning a thread (or answering them) in the Warrior for hire area on WF, and also create an account on Odesk.com.

    I'm sure you'll do well once you take a different approach. All it takes is the courage to keep moving forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author braincandy7
    Do you have your own website setup? A good looking site can help and is also a good place for you to display examples of your work while at the same time using those examples to help you get some natural search engine traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Brand yourself. Advertise yourself. Look and act professional. Run a spot using animated gifs. Like this -




    Send me what you want done - for three slides - and I'll make it for you
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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Int
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Brand yourself. Advertise yourself. Look and act professional. Run a spot using animated gifs. Like this -




      Send me what you want done - for three slides - and I'll make it for you
      Listen to this guy.

      I don't recognize most Warriors when they post - but some stand out.

      If I received a PM regarding a "JV opportunity" from a user I didn't recognize, I wouldn't go to much effort to pursue more info. That's if I even bothered to at all, honestly.

      That being said...

      If Mal approached me with a similar offer, I'd be much more inclined to be interested because I recognize him. I remember the great posts he's had in the past. I know that he knows his stuff.

      Standing out is the first step on the path to building that "know like and trust" factor with your prospects and clients that you can leverage for your business later.


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      -Adrian
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  • Profile picture of the author smartiewriter
    Maybe you need to rewrite your ad to get more customers interested. Maybe add more benefits in your ad.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikelDonel
    I saw videos that people make for their gigs and upload it to youtube with link to the gig in the description , it can bring you more traffic and clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author savyeman
    Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

    I tried bidding on projects at Freelancer.com but had no luck and wasted hours there. I posted an ad here, but haven't gotten any replies. I posted an ad on fiverr.com as well but haven't gotten any replies either.

    I tried textbroker.com where I was getting paid $.01 per word, and the client was paying $.015 per word to textbroker which I really loved, because I could find gigs right away. But the problem is that there isn't enough gigs there to sustain myself. I am a 3 star writer there, which is considered a good writer.

    Is there other sites like text broker? I can write up to 20 500 word articles per day, and looking to make $100 per day, but that site is not making it possible. Since I am not seeing many replies here, I am starting to believe that I won't be getting much customers here either.

    Any suggestions?
    You can offer your writing service right on ebay. Ebay includes a service section. And the best part is it doesn't cost any money at all to get started on eBay...

    You can get more clients this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoralexon
    Read the quoted part in post #135 in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4967505.
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  • I can chime in on the fiverr problem:

    It takes several weeks for a gig to start receiving orders usually.

    And that'll only happen if you provide great compelling copy for your fiverr gig. Either that or mentioning you are based in the US or UK will usually help.

    Once you begin to get orders and receive great feedback, your orders will begin to snowball because others will trust you more. It just takes those few clients to take a chance on you, and trust me, they are out there.

    You just have to give it time
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruth P
    I just wanted to respond to the advice to work for free. I don't see any reason why writers should work for free. If you have samples then you can show them to potential buyers. You can even let them pay after they're happy with the work. If they're happy, they should pay. I never offered my writing for free and my clients were still happy to give me reviews to help my chances of securing extra work.
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  • Profile picture of the author RnGWriter
    Time is something that you are absolutely going to HAVE to invest. When you are marketing yourself as an individual, you have to realize that your clients are evaluating you as an individual. When you are bidding on Freelancer.com or writing on a content mill like iwriter or text broker (this is going to sound mean) but you are no body. People have the luxury to not commit to anybody and if they do not like something they do not have to pay. I worked on iwriter.com and still do the occasional gig there (4 star rating btw) but I gave up on it because:

    1) Clients sometimes expect a 1000 word article when the project description asks for a 500 worded one.

    2) Sometimes the instructions were vague and so my writing also was vague. It lacked personality and was just a string of information that people are going to choke down the throat of the internet.

    3) Being asked to write with a keyword density of 5% with KW being "How to lose weight fast", somehow managing to accomplish that and then being given a poor review because the "article did not flow naturally" .

    If you want to be a freelance writer, you have to make sure that the right people know about what you have to offer. But before embarking on your journey to create your website, marketing yada yada..... in my opinion there are a couple of things that you need to consider:
    1) What do you want to write about? Because writing 5000 words a day is not feasible if you want to provide a quality service. Quality is the only leverage that you have because if people wanted someone who would spend 30 minutes on their articles, they would go to the mills and the freelancing sites. If you want to earn a $100 a day, you would be much better off writing 5 articles at $20 each. If you could specialize in a niche and establish yourself as an authority then you would see more results in the short run. Once again, what do you like to write about? what are your interests?
    2) Marketing your services: As mentioned so many times in this thread, posting an ad in the Warriors Hire forum has certain limitations. You are going to have to compete with a dozen other guys, who are just as good if not better at what you do. In my opinion a better alternative is to comment on other threads which are related to online writing and offer your advice. If it is constructive and if people like it, they are going to check your profile or your signature. So have your samples ready in your signature. Guest posting on other blogs and article syndication is also a pretty good idea. Write according to your target audience. If you are targeting internet marketers, post and comment on the popular blogs. Write articles on the several aspects of internet marketing and submit them to directories. These take time but they work.

    You can also try 75 "Write for Us" Pages - Freelance Writing Jobs | A Freelance Writing Community and Freelance Writing Jobs Resource to check out which blogs are going to be paying for a guest post. Another thing you could do is to take the niche you would like to write about and doing a Google search like "workouts for men"+"write for us". Establish yourself as an authority so that people do not have to take a chance with you; so that they will actually save up and allocate a certain part of their capital just to hire you!

    I can see that you are open to feedback even the ones which are bitter to swallow and that is a good thing. I know how much it sucks when your writing is compromised by stupid typos and whatnot but if it counts for anything, learn from that experience and grow.
    Always try to interact with your clients and build a personal relationship. 80% of my clients are referrals from clients I had previously worked for. Talk with them, get a feel for their personality and try to incorporate that in their writing. Sometimes they like humor, sometimes they like being professional and sometime they like to experiment. I like this part of my job .
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  • Profile picture of the author Art Peterson
    here's exactly what I would do (you can use a similar variation of this if you don't like it)
    I would find somebody on the warrior forum whose style and personality I liked
    I would find out what their niche was
    I would find out what their Main keywords are
    I will put those keywords in titles for 10 articles
    I would write 10 articles for that niche specifically
    I would create 10 videos of those 10 articles
    I would create 10 audios of those articles
    I will go to fiverr and have a info graphic made with those 10 titles for pinterest

    then I would e-mail this person and say
    "listen, I know you don't know me but I found you on the warrior forum and I really like your style and the way you communicate with people.
    The reason why I'm contacting today is kind of selfish.
    You see, I'm a content writer in the Internet marketing niche and I really can't get my work found.
    So what I'd like to do is give you -
    10 articles that are based on the keywords that I found on your blog
    10 videos that I created for those articles
    10 MP3s also of those articles
    and
    one graphic I made you can put on pinterest
    all in hopes that you could possibly tell a couple of your friends about me.
    It's all done here waiting for you just let me know how you want them delivered
    thanks
    Art
    PS. I hope these 31 pieces of content can help you out and I thank you in advance."

    You are writer aren't you?
    So 10 articles shouldn't be that hard.
    The research videos and audios - are all just "thud factor". They are there to bulk up the value.
    If you can't make videos then scratch that part and substitute something else.
    The same for the MP3s

    But you get the point - people here on the warrior forum are pretty straight shooters.
    Nobody's here to hurt you.
    You can be creating articles anyway so why not give some away free and build goodwill for yourself.

    Go and give that a try and let me know how it works
    thanks
    Art
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    I got my start in the Warriors for Hire section- and I made over $200 in the first week.

    Use that money to keep funding bumps, and soon you'll have more clients than you can handle...

    IF you deliver quality writing at a reasonable (NOT cheap) price.
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilippaWrites
    Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

    I am a 3 star writer there, which is considered a good writer.
    If you can improve your writing to a 4 star writer, your wages - and choice of articles - in textbroker will improve. 5 star would be even better, but is rather elusive. 4 star isn't too tough a goal, and if you want to keep writing for textbroker it would help you out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevemartin619
    I am little bit confuse about thread because how it is possible that if we write anything then client approach to us without reviewing our website and works.
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  • Profile picture of the author JaynKeth
    You can look for your prospect too. Apply for the job, and show them what you have got, show them you previous works. And remember to be consistent and never give up, you will soon get 1, then 2, then 5.. when you have more, there are a lot more coming!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    Personally I'd create an ezine articles account and post many of your articles there. Ezine articles is very respected. Then I'd post a $20 ad here at Warrior Forums and link back to your ezine articles site to show off samples of your work.
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    • Profile picture of the author danr62
      Originally Posted by Paid Surveys View Post

      Personally I'd create an ezine articles account and post many of your articles there. Ezine articles is very respected. Then I'd post a $20 ad here at Warrior Forums and link back to your ezine articles site to show off samples of your work.
      This makes no sense. He can send him to his own site instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    I'm sure everyone else here has already given excellent advice, but I figured I throw my two cents in. Have you tried straight out cold calling clients? It may seem daunting but I know for a fact that it works because I've hired people who have called me.
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  • Profile picture of the author audrey77
    To make $100 per day charging $0.01 per word means you need to write 10,000 words or roughly 25 pages based on 400 words per page. Assuming you work 10 hours a day, you would be writing 2.5 pages every hour. That's a lot to me.

    Think about it this way. To write, let's say, a 400-word product review, you need to read up what the product is about, go to the manufacturer's site for a more in-depth description and check out customer reviews on different sites. Can you do all that and come up with a good review in 30 minutes? For my own sites, I usually end up spending an hour or more.

    Basically, I don't think you can maintain quality churning out articles at that pace. That is why I find it hard putting in a bid at freelance sites whereby the majority of clients do not pay that well. I keep thinking that if I have to compromise on quality to meet a certain monetary target everyday, I might as well look for alternatives.
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  • Profile picture of the author new2d
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    • Profile picture of the author Miss Bee
      Hope nobody minds a new girl chipping in here.

      Basically, I'm in the new freelance writer boat too. However, I know for a fact that people will pay and do pay decent £'s for content.

      I was employed in a job that saw me writing loads of web content. Writing an original article was part of the selection process, and it turned out that mine was the best. Having come from a graphic design background this was something of a shock to me.

      Anyway, my take is that it's probably pretty naive to decide to freelance but expect to be raking in serious dough immediately. Everyone I know who is self employed have worked their little behinds off in order to have a flourishing business. They have all gone through the marketing and working long days for very little financial reward. At the beginning the biggest investment seems to be time.

      I am no freelancing expert, but so far my motto is patience, persistence, consistency and giving every job your all! It seems as though too many new freelancers burn out by going hell for leather at the beginning. They get discouraged when they don't get instant results. Sometimes slow and steady wins the race.

      Jobs are trickling in slowly, but I am not going to write $5 articles, because I know that people will pay more. It's a matter of finding those people through marketing and building relationships. I am aiming to offer a quality service.

      If I am barking up the wrong tree someone please put me right. I am a newb after all

      Also, tips and advice will be gratefully received!
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