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Dealing with Copyright Theft

by kindsvater
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This is an edited thread relating to a copyright problem on the forum. Warriors, I've mentioned this before, but if you copy someone else's work - and then use the WF to promote it - you run a few risks:

1. Deleted from the WF.

2. Having your web host notified so that the offending material is either forcibly removed and/or your hosting account is promptly terminated. FYI - that has already happened recently to a few miscreants.

3. Having your domain registrar notified so your domain registration can be canceled.

4. Lawsuits.

5. Extreme embarrassment to your spouse, family and friends as you explain what happened. For instance, the fool on the forum today was spouting off about his father being a judge. Assuming its true, and I'm not sure it is, the judge will be receiving a letter from my law office with a copy of the wrongful conduct and the outrageous WF posts this person made.

Worst of all in my opinion, is this didn't have to happen. It started with other Warriors trying to provide some helpful advice noting what the person had done wrong. Instead of admitting a mistake (which we all make) and moving on, he apparently could not take an iota of criticism, dug in his heels and purposefully made the situation worse, flamed respected Warriors trying to help him out, etc.



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There was a thread that was just properly deleted because some idiot was posting information from Kurt Melvin, lawsuits were threatened, etc.

I see the jerk has posted the same thing on another thread - this time fraudulently claiming it as 'his' information and not Kurt's:

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#copyright #dulisse #knock #mark #theft
  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    There was a thread that was just properly deleted because some idiot was posting information from Kurt Melvin, lawsuits were threatened, etc.

    I see Dulisse has posted the same thing on another thread - this time fraudulently claiming it as 'his' information and not Kurt's:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post530300

    I don't know if Allen deleted the last thread or if it was from Warrior moderation - but Warriors, you help would be appreciated in stopping this intentional, repeated, abusive conduct.
    Nothing there now Brian.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Thanks Brian...

    Know what's funny? I sell resale rights to the report for something like $30. I think the only limit I put on it is that it requires some type of "action", like signing up for an email list and that it can't be given away for free.

    So to save about $30 and have a ton of undisputed LEGAL rights to the report, and been a valued customer of mine, this guy's made a bunch of enemies here...Not a real good business decision.

    For what? A couple of clicks?

    He obviously likes the report, why not do it the legal and ethical way?

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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
    Originally Posted by Mark Dulisse View Post


    I have learned so much about Warriors, and about people. Thank you for this learning experience. At the same time, I will not be bullied by someone who thinks they own the web.
    Hey... your welcome!

    Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out!
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    I was exchanging a laugh with "X" last night about someone on a Google forum detailing what blatant fraudulent activity they were engaged in and asking for help because they couldn't understand why their ads kept getting nuked.

    Maybe, sometimes I just presume too much.

    Linking to Google is not a problem.
    Linking to something another Warrior has created is not a problem.

    You're not actually copying anything - just pointing to where information can be found.

    However,

    Copying Google's proprietary search results, developed from secret algorithms, and then putting them on your website as your created search results - that would be a problem.

    Copying another Warrior's work and then copying it to your website, offering it for free, and promoting it as your own - that would be a problem.

    Then, you are copying something - something creative that was generated by another person or company.

    Perhaps that is why "copyright" law involves the "copy"ing of something created by another person.

    Mr. Dulisse - if you don't understand the difference between pointing to work created by another Warrior, and actually copying that work, putting it on your website, and promoting it as your own, then I suggest you give your alleged judge dad a call. I have no doubt he'll get through to you. (I sound like I'm talking to a teenager - call your dad - not someone who appears in their video to be in 40s.)
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Originally Posted by Mark Dulisse View Post

    I never got your report, and I didn't get the page from you, but from someone else.
    This is actually an important copyright concept - the "alleged" innocent infringer.

    What if you buy something for your website, maybe you buy PLR articles from Person A, and then Person B comes along and says you've stolen their material?

    Can Person B sue you even though it was Person A who stole it from B and lied to you, and you bought it from Person A?

    Yes. Absolutely.

    That is because to protect Person B the court will find an "innocent infringer" liable to provide the means for forcibly stopping you from continuing to use the material.

    Apart from that injunctive relief, a refusal to stop using the material could also change the situation into one where monetary damages are awarded, because then the use is no longer so innocent.

    As in, what in the world Mr. Dulisse is Kurt Melvin's material still on your website?

    What happens is that Person B might sue you, and then of course you would cross-complain against Person A. But then there are issues of whether Person A exists, if they can be found, do they have any money, etc. But that cross-complaint would only relate to the innocent infringer issue. Continuing to use the material can create separate liability that Person A may not be responsible for.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Well, that one bit the dust I guess...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    And following Brian's advice, I just registered the document with the feds...

    Here's the copyright registration number:
    1-162110251

    It was officially registered about 10 minutes before this post.

    Thanks Brian...I'll be following up on the your other suggestions as well.

    And thanks to everyone else that helped...And remember the name Mark Dulisse is probably not someone you'll want to do business with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Dulisse
    Brian, it is still on my site out of a matter of principle. You cannot design a page like this HERE, and claim you own it. That I do know.

    This is very good dialogue, and in some sense I am being picked on, but in reality, there is a underlying concept here of what publishers can call their own. This would not qualify as one of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Mark,
      there is a underlying concept here of what publishers can call their own. This would not qualify as one of them.
      Look up the phrase "Compilation copyright."

      Also, if Kurt wrote those descriptions, you're in trouble if he informs you that they're copyrighted and you insist on keeping them. The list of links may not be copyrightable, but the descriptions, if original, certainly can.


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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Mark,Look up the phrase "Compilation copyright."

        Also, if Kurt wrote those descriptions, you're in trouble if he informs you that they're copyrighted and you insist on keeping them. The list of links may not be copyrightable, but the descriptions, if original, certainly can.


        Paul
        Thanks Paul...

        Actually quite a few of those descriptions were hand written by me. Also, my html layout (which is also protected) has clearly been ripped off.

        And to All...

        Mark said in another thread (deleted) that he was going to go and copyright the document himself. Now, he claims it can't be copyright protected. He was either "bluffing" about registering the copyrights, or he's "bluffing" about his knowledge of copyright law. How can one threaten to register copyrights, then an hour or so later, claim there are no copyrights?

        And in order to register copyrights, he'd have to ignore all the witnesses that recognize the document as mine and can easily verify it was published before he saw the document, so he admitted he was willing to lie and deceive. He also posted he got the document from someone else, so it obviously isn't his.

        So between a number of witnesses and his own comments about getting the document elsewhere, he still said he was going to register a copyright?


        Now, he claims it's the "point" of the matter, and he's the good guy standing up for all, yet earlier today he said he was going to copyright the document.

        Please note that I had a number of Warriors download and save the thread before it was deleted, so there's plenty of witnesses to what Mark Dulisse said.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    You sir don't know what you are talking about Mr. Dulisse.

    If someome did research, and collected data, then compiled that data on a webpage and copyrighted that page while adding their own content to it, it is considered their property as a collective unit.

    And no, you are not being "picked on" by anyone. You are being used as an example of what not to do.


    Hey Brian,

    Thanks for posting your valuable insight in a thread so we all can learn. It's appreciated!

    I don't think many people who call themselves marketers realize how important this stuff (the law) is when running a business. Now more than ever really. Not only do people get sued and find, but they ruin their reputation, and that inturn runs the business they've been building.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Dulisse
    Yes, I agree, very good learning and dialogue.
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