Has JV's ruined the WSO thread?

I don't use WSO reviews for my purchase decisions anymore, they can't be trusted. All glowing reviews are either JV partners of simply fans of the person doing the WSO. They sometimes post how great the product is before they even looked at it.

Buy based on sales letter.
If content doesn't live up, make use of guarantee.
If content is great, be happy.

Warrior Forum REALLY needs to do something about this. I worked so hard on my WSO and I was really pleased with the genuine positive reviews I got.

I must be very naive but I had no idea this was going on. It needs to stop now, otherwise the reputation of this place will go downhill rapidly.

Honestly, reading about this has really made me question whether I even want to list future products on here as a WSO.

I want products that everyone else is NOT selling or using.I watch my email inbox. I get 20 emails all touting the product as the next big thing. I'm probably not interested.There can be an exception once in a while,but not often.

I'm not sure who you mean here,but if you mean the forum owner, I would have trouble believing it.

I agree too, Ralf has the right idea.


Again, I agree too, Ralf has the right idea.
As far as the dimesale comment,I personally hate them and think that is one thing that should be done away with.
When the WSO section was started there was to be basically two prices,the Real World price,which is what the product would be sold at on a public website available to anyone and the WSO price,which was suppose to be a discounted price available only to Warrior Forum members. While dimesales are great for the deller because people want to get the lowest price they can,it isn't fair to all Warriors. I as the 100th purchaser should get it at the same price as the first, but that is just my opinion.

Is there something we can all do to put a stop to this? Hopefully this thread will make the admins take action.

It all seems incredibly unfair on those of us who actually work hard to make a WSO good enough to attract genuine good reviews. Afterall, surely the main draw of buying from the WSO forum is that you can see what other experienced marketers think about the product before you buy it.

If the credibility of these views is called into question, the credibilty of Warrior Forum as a whole is called into question. Indeed, it seems to me that it could be accused of providing a platform for scammers.

Surely it is in the self-interest of Warrior Forum to act on this.

Will, There is truth in that but not all the post's praising someone is part of that. I don't do it very often but I did last night,and every word I said is true.
He didn't ask me to or even tell me about his WSO,I just happened to see it as I was going through the forum.

Sorry, Ralf, but you are completely wrong. Are some of the reviews like this? Certainly. But not all, not by a long shot. It's up to you to learn how to discern who to listen to.


No, they REALLY don't. How the heck could they possibly know who bought or even looked at the product? That is a totally unrealistic expectation for a $40 ad. We're all supposed to be business people here. Is it really too much to expect each one of us to take responsibility for our own buying habits?

I do agree with this. I also think that people should not be allowed to post reviews from prior WSOs, unless they make it very clear that the reviews are not about this product. I saw one WSO the other day where there were a bunch of reviews but it did not state that they were NOT from the product being sold in the ad.


Ding, ding, ding! Give the man a prize! Common sense and personal resposibility for the win.

Being a 'junior' member of this forum doesn't mean anything. Are some slick marketers being deceptive at times? Of course they are. But it still your responsibility to be intelligent about your own purchase decisions.

I don't care if you are brand new to internet marketing. Too good to be true wasn't invented for the internet and if you are going to fall for snake oil and pie-in-the-sky unrealistic copy, that's on you.

We're all supposed to be big boys and girls here. If you need someone to hold your hand and watch over your purchases, then perhaps you aren't ready for business.

DISCLAIMER: When I say YOU, I am not meaning any particular person specifically. I have to say this before I get jumped all over about it. Probably will anyway since most people don't seem to read entire posts anymore.

Damn!

As if life wasn't already tough enough — Now I have to be on the lookout for ninja, mind-controlling, bridge-chuckers!!

Dave

Yeah. Don't believe reviews unless you trust the person giving them.

As Tina said, there's no way for us to know who really likes a product, or has even seen it, and who's pimping it for a return "favor" later. I rarely review products, and have never promoted a WSO as an affiliate. Still, I'm pretty sure people think any positive comment I make is based in some expected return. If you don't know me, you should wonder about that. Same with anyone else.

As far as promoting for their friends, there's nothing wrong with that, if their friends deliver what they promise.

Think about it. Given a choice between two equally valuable and useful products, one from a friend and another belonging to a stranger, which would YOU promote?

We will nuke fake accounts set up to post testimonials if we spot them. Happens a few times a month, that I see. If you suspect it's happening, report it. Just keep in mind that a lot of testimonials from people with zero, or very few, posts are from legitimate customers who only joined to comment on something they bought. With so many affiliates promoting WSOs outside the regular membership, that's becoming more and more common.


Paul

I only trust people.

If I see a review for a product from someone I know and trust, then I care what it says.

Obviously, this only works in sufficiently small communities where you're sufficiently well-connected. If you're shopping for weight loss or muscle building products, there's not a chance in hell you'll be seeing reviews from people you know.

But in WSOs, the reviews are almost entirely from Warriors who post elsewhere on the forum as well, and if you've been here for a while you will probably recognise a lot of them.

Conversely, there are certain people I already know are outright liars, and when they leave a review on a product it has nothing at all to do with the product quality - it's about what they think will get their list to buy, because they just saw a big EPC number and decided to mail for this thing.

However, they are using professional copywriting techniques, including NLP and covert persuasion and hypnotic methods and various other forms of mind control.

I was not in my right mind! The evil magic of the voudoun copywriter had bewitched me! Je suis mort alors! Je suis sur la lune, avec Steve!

Nobody likes responsibility. Everyone wants to blame someone else for everything.

It is worth noting that the above reversed interpretation is every bit as likely.

You get a product, whether free or discounted or at full price. You think it is great. It has an affiliate program. Why would you not sign up and promote it?

Yes, it is possible that I saw this product and had visions of fat commission cheques, so I joined the affiliate program for it and then ran over to leave a review for my list members to see when they get there - maybe even without buying and examining the product.

But you are assuming that every affiliate lies and cheats to make sales.

And this is not true. Some affiliates are honest. Some affiliates would join an affiliate program with visions of fat commission cheques, but buy the product at full price - without even using their own affiliate link - and examine it in detail before leaving an accurate review.

And even with those visions of fat cheques, many of these affiliates will then... if the review is not sufficiently favourable... refuse to promote the product.

Not always. When I do affiliate blogs and write a crappy review of some product you could buy on Amazon if you were a dumbass and didn't understand what a piece of crap I just told you it was, I still put my Amazon affiliate link on the review. Because I do, on occasion, get a dumbass or two reading my blogs - and it's not my job to prevent them from buying.

Which is actually helpful when people say "you only gave that great review because you promote the product as an affiliate," because I can point them at a truly horrible review of something only a retarded crackhead would buy and say "I promote that product as an affiliate, too. Being an affiliate does not change what I put in my reviews."

Yep, You drummed that into me. Probably saved me a fortune because of that.

Now I'm getting nostalgic.

WSO's posting was free. Only quality products were sold and comments
came from real buyers who really used and loved the products.

Gone are those days.

-Ray Edwards

To be honest- the War Room has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Instead, this is more of a buddy-buddy, I scratch your back you scratch mine kinda thing.

Being a part of the War Room is basically just being part of the WF 2.0. It doesn't make us know each other better or talk more.

It's basically just a place where I get all kinds of free PLR, software, graphics, templates, and WSOs

I have been a War Room member for 4-5 years.

I have been in there maybe 3-4 times. I look around the room for 20 minutes and I leave.

The War Room is great for those who have years to spend reading. I am more of a do'er myself.

But, I can also advise that the best feature of the War Room is that it is archived forever. To get the best stuff, you need to drill back into the archives a few years.

You need to drill back to the early days when the War Room was where the good stuff was shared behind closed doors. These days, it is more of a pitch fest from wanna-be marketers to the world.

That is my take anyway.

My point in even saying this is that the War Room Member notation means nothing at all, beyond this person spent $37 to gain access.

Or that's how it looks to you.

To me what you wrote looks like extreme delusional paranoia, but I guess that's just what you sound like to me.

Incidentally, this 99% percent figure. Were you ever in the WSO section before they banned signatures in there? I reckon that percentage would have been so far off then it wouldn't even be funny.

I think you have a theory and you look for evidence to support what you think is correct, it's human nature.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."

In other words, you can't regulate everything into perfection.

Pay attention to what you're doing, and who you're associating with. Trust no one without good reason. Trust no testimonial without a VERY good reason.