Is spinning well and truly dead?

Well, if the spun content reads well and is 100% unique from the original, then it doesn't matter, does it.

A spin is only like a re-write using automation to speed the process up but to get a decent result it does need to be used with thought and the user needs to take time to re-read and make it good afterwards.

There's no such thing as 100% unique.

Why would a person care if you spun the article if it is informative and well written?

Google cares about removing crap content that is just to trick them.

These are threads that might help you understand article spinning better:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...necessary.html

Read Alexa Smith posts Kudos,

Jeremiah

A good spin is good!It's just a tool, if you use it well there are no problems.

Spinning is completely useless. Always was and always will be. It's all about user experience, not whether the content is original or not.

I use spun content on properties used for link building only. I do not use it on any sites meant for actual readers.

All I can say is, spinning SHOULD be dead

Why spend so much time building "fake" authority and "artificial" banklinks, when you could be spending that time developing REAL authority in your niche, with people WANTING to link back to you?

Oh yes, that's right. Too much time and effort.

I think it is oke if u spin it but doesn't make it look like its spinned, when you automatically spin an article you can see that it is spun with software. I use magic article rewriter because this article spinner just speeds up the proces of you manually spinning and immoderately make it look like you wrote it yourself!

I think so. This can be inferred from the reaction of people that outsource freelance work. They are scared of spun material. I think Google has cast a spell on people and made them more conscious of what they are writing and outsourcing!

The spin can alter the structure of a text. In my opinion it may be useful in an SEO strategy. (like directory desc ...)

Nope Seamy, that cannot yet be confirmed and probably never will be :rolleyes:

"There's no such thing as 100% unique."

When it comes to what content? spinning?

As an avid writer, I pride myself on creating one of a kind content that's informative, useful and that doesn't set off the "spam alarms" I loathe when people ask me if I will create content that can be spun or have syntax placed in them.

Spinning won't die while there are people wanting to a quick fix to a perceived problem. If all you want are articles that don't read well then use spinning... if you want to drive real traffic then make sure your content is 100% all the time.

Plain spinning doesn't create that.

I wouldn't count on it.

My spun articles read perfectly and they are spun up to 100% for 20 copies. I hate the way everyone prattles on about user experience as if they are saying something profound. You can have a website with great user experience and have manual backlinks that do the same and it may not equate to a top listing. You need to find a medium between quality and quantity but if the spun content is going to be given no value by Google, I'll not bother. To get 20 really good spun articles takes the same amount of time to write 5 unique articles. I'll just give up on spinning as it is not worth the effort in my opinion.

If your intention is to get ranked in Google then its DEAD!

Ok, I'm gonna step into the middle of this because I think people are making massive generalisations based on differing versions of what they think people use spinning for.

To those that come from the position of "Spinning sucks and is a waste of time and always has been - you should never do it!" I have to disagree.

Not because I don't think crap unreadable content sucks - I do (of course) but because there are many uses for spinning content - NOT just related to links or getting other people's websites to publish your content, or to trick Google into thinking the same article is now a different article.

I've said this before but people seem to lump whatever their most negative perception of using spinners is into how everyone must be using them.

Here's how I use them - you tell me if this is what you're so against.....

I have one domain where I publish all the content that I create and I then feed it out to the relevant sites I have across many hosts.

I often consider both readers and search engines when creating content, so if I can give a reader what they want and make the search engines happy - then I do that.

One example of this is where I might be looking to create some content focused on a particular keyword/phrase (for example "toilet training your labradoodle") - this would be for content on a labradoodle information website.

Now, if I find out that the same information applies to toilet training Great Danes and I have a Great Dane website, and it seems that this will probably apply to quite a few other dog breeds, all of which I have separate websites for - I will create a spinnable version of my original article, so that I can swap out the dog breeds and feed the relevant version to the relevant website.

In this way I can provide a readable, relevant, SEO'd article that feeds 50 of my separate websites and saves me having to rewrite it every time I create a new dog website where it would be appropriate.

So - I love spinning articles and I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with how I'm using them.

They're definitely not creating crap. They're not creating a poor reader experience. They are helping in several ways both in saving me time and helping to quickly get seo'd content to new sites.

Please tell me if I'm missing something - but why would I NOT use spinners for this type of application? (and this is just one of the ways I like to use them).

Andy

Andy,
I have no issue with what you are doing with spun articles. I just take issue with those people who spin and spin and spin and spin content until it's utter rubbish and consequently splash it across every domain they have in their arsenal. Spinning is not great for all applications, but I think what you're using for is a very good idea indeed.

Andy, good point. That's certainly a great use of spun articles.

I think the market for highly spun garbage has been dead for a long time now. And even more so with Google Panda and all the other changes being made. No longer is it just going to be "content is king" now it's "QUALITY content is king". IMO

Spinning is definitely sh*tty now. It's such a low quality low reward thing...you could do SO much better with syndication and writing quality stuff.

Awesome spinning is creating twenty two content quality unique time and time again. I recommend it to everyone high and low searching for a cheat.

Wow, can't even make myself write stupid enough to get a bad enough "spun looking" comment :rolleyes:.

Yes Spun articles still works as long as the articles makes sense and is not crap.

I'm with Bill_Z, I use with it properties and when I do use spinning, it is in sentence or paragraph spintex. Word for word you are going to mostly end up with crap, however take the time and you can make something that reads perfectly fine, and does hold value (despite popular belief)... but again that is at sentence/paragraph level - not on my money sites...

I am {confused|mystified|nonplussed|bewildered}. Can {someone|anyone|one of you} {please|kindly} {explain|detail|outline} {just what|exactly what|what the heck} {spinning|spun content} is? {Thanks|Thank you|Much appreciated|I'd appreciate it|Thanks in advance|You smell like a duck}!

Change 'spinning' to something like 'WordPress', then you can make huge generalisations like:

Is WordPress well and truly dead?

There are so many poor quality and spammy WordPress sites, so WordPress provides no value and should die.

I think one of the main reasons why people think spinning is bad is because of the confusion of unique content with original content. I'm not going against Alexa Smith here; in fact, I totally agree with her point of view on spun articles. But I do have a question about that matter, though.

What if I have an article that I haven't posted anywhere on the Internet, and use a spinner just to replace some of the words and check if it makes a lot more sense?

Those automated spinning tools make article spinning look bad, especially if grammar, choice of words, spelling, and punctuation are not checked after the process. I am not spinning articles should be banned. I do not see anything wrong when writers use spinning tools but I suggest proofreading and editing the article after spinning it.

Selling spinners is dead! Ha ha

The spinner is dead, long live the spinner!

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The three paragraphs above are taken from the 1st paragraph of a spun article. I hit the spin button 3 times and got what you see above.

I'm not sure why people feel this way but I hear it all the time. Why is it people discredit spinning? If anything isn't done correctly the results can end up bad. Essentially I'm saying that you could write a horrible article and publish it that everyone hates or you could spin an article really badly that reads like garbage. The same holds true for the other side of the coin, you could spin an article that reads perfectly with every spin or you could write an article that reads like a dream that everyone loves. Does one thing have to always be bad and the other one great? Isn't it true people will have a natural inclination to advocate spinning if that's how they earn their money, or advocate not spinning if they earn their money only writing articles or don't like writing spin articles? If I'm wrong, anybody (newbie, veteran or in between) please chime in and show me the light but don't get that.

You need manual spinning and not only on the word- but on the sentence-level as well. This way there are more variations, and the article remains mostly readable. Great for backlinking purposes.