Content Management Systems (what works for the 'cash cow')

Scott Burton · 02-20-2009, 02:39 PM

I know people use Wordpress, and for what it is, it can be a great tool.

For some sites, Wordpress just isn't a good fit.

I can easily put forward a number of different content management systems for the offline businesses I currently and will be working with. But I was wondering if anyone has found any particular strengths or weaknesses in using any other content management system fo such sites?

I know some of the systems out there are entirely too much power for what many businesses will need. Which is probably part of why wordpress seems to be a favorite of many.

Right now, some of the sites I have been working with are straight HTML coded {gasp!} by hand! Yes it's antiquated, but sometimes it's been the only way I could find to do what I needed to do.

Marcus Paul · 02-20-2009, 03:12 PM

Sitemasher might be one to consider if WP is not what you are looking for. It's a website builder, CMS, hosting, and analytics in one package.

jasonl70 · 02-20-2009, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Burton

Right now, some of the sites I have been working with are straight HTML coded {gasp!} by hand! Yes it's antiquated, but sometimes it's been the only way I could find to do what I needed to do.

make that code into a wordpress template, then copy/paste the content portion of the html into wordpress as a page.

It may sound cumbersome, but the future ease of editing/updating, adding new pages, etc make it worth it. Add in all the plugins available (like the one that includes pages in the rss feed) , and it's even more worthwhile (to me at least)

GeorgR. · 02-20-2009, 04:28 PM

my drupal site ranks actually pretty well. But its a PITA compared to wordpress.

Patrice Le Vexier · 02-20-2009, 04:31 PM

You can try joomla, which is simpler to use than drupal.

Patrice

waltham · 02-20-2009, 04:33 PM

Joomla!!! Done

Debbie Songster · 02-20-2009, 05:12 PM

I always recommend Joomla - the newest version is much simpler to use and its scalable.

SamLewi · 02-24-2009, 02:16 AM

flexibility and user friendliness. i highly recommend you take a look at interspire as they have just released a new version 5 of their cms software - Website Software | Content Management System Software | Website Designer Software | PHP CMS .

Glenn Leader · 02-24-2009, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamLewi

flexibility and user friendliness. i highly recommend you take a look at interspire as they have just released a new version 5 of their cms software - %< snipped .

Hi Sam,

Can you clarify your relationship with interspire? You talk about them in the third person, but your SIG points to their domain directly, as does your post. Not even an affiliate link (which isn't allowed in the WF anyway)

Glenn

originator · 02-24-2009, 05:32 AM

I work with Joomla, It's very easy to work with and if you know something about php/css you can tweak/hack a lot with Joomla.

See my signature for example.

Alibaba · 02-24-2009, 05:44 AM

one you learn drupal.org - you will find that it can handle pretty much anything.
some of the biggest sites are now on drupal - so for me its drupal all the way with a spinkle of wp if all I need is a mini site.
ps - my sig sites are drupal based.

Case studies | drupal.org
shows sample of popular sites using drupal.

Micheal Perkins · 02-24-2009, 06:50 AM

Wordpress is pretty easy to use which is why so many people use it. I have tried Drupal, but the learning curve is steep. I was having problems with getting my pages to link properly.

I had tried Joomla and like it. The learning curve seems to be smaller with it, but I am still stumbling my way around it with a site that I am not doing anything with yet.

Simplweb · 02-25-2009, 08:37 AM

Joomla and Drupal seem to be the 2 biggies out there.

Here is the best post I have seen comparing the two:

Drupal vs. Joomla: a frank comparison from an IBM consultant | Drupal Themes by TopNotchThemes

Traffic-Bug · 02-25-2009, 10:50 AM

Drupal is one of the *WORST* CMS'es I have ever come across. WordPress is much better. If that is overkill simply use CushyCMS

LightHouse13 · 02-25-2009, 11:49 AM

Joomla, and extensions it can run you can start anytype of site out there, It's the next step up from wordpress. You can even do a E-com site with it.

Scott Burton · 02-25-2009, 12:22 PM

Thanks everyone for all the insights. I've played with several CMS systems, and I found Drupal to be a bit cumbersome, but in my opinion (and for what I've been trying to do) it usually beats Xoops hands down. I have only briefly looked at Joomla, and probably will spend more time trying to learn a few more things about each of these.

Steadyon · 02-26-2009, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traffic-Bug

Drupal is one of the *WORST* CMS'es I have ever come across. WordPress is much better. If that is overkill simply use CushyCMS

There is quite a learning curve with Drupal. But depending upon what you are trying to do, Drupal has immense upgrade capabilities.

It's definitely the most powerful open source CMS around. Also, it's a lot more SEO friendly than Joomla, even after any Joomla addons.

Debbie Songster · 02-26-2009, 07:51 PM

I agree with your assessment of Drupal for the learning curve.

I'm curious - I keep hearing people complain about the apparent SEO unfriendlyness (is there such a word?) of Joomla.

What is it about Joomla that is NOT SEO friendly?
Can anyone answer that?

I've been using it and I guess I'm not seeing it - so someone's assessment would be greatly appreciated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steadyon

There is quite a learning curve with Drupal. But depending upon what you are trying to do, Drupal has immense upgrade capabilities.

It's definitely the most powerful open source CMS around. Also, it's a lot more SEO friendly than Joomla, even after any Joomla addons.

AndrewCavanagh · 02-26-2009, 09:37 PM

Many people don't realize just how flexible Wordpress can be.

I've seen sites created with Wordpress that you would never pick as a wordpress driven site.

You can buy software to create some of these regular non blog looking websites with wordpress.

Joomla is also a very popular solution.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

Simplweb · 02-27-2009, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debbie Songster

I'm curious - I keep hearing people complain about the apparent SEO unfriendlyness (is there such a word?) of Joomla.

What is it about Joomla that is NOT SEO friendly?
Can anyone answer that?

This is not true. The previous version (1.0) did have issues, but the newer 1.5 is as a good a foundation as Wordpress or Drupal.

I am afraid anyone that's still basing their opinions on 1.0 is a bit out of date.

And yes, I do have a PR9 Joomla website

my_addict_mind · 02-27-2009, 09:42 AM

as far as i am concerned joomla is the best cms. like wordpress, it has many plugins that extends its functionality.

you want an ecommerce site, you use virtuemart (free).

you want a lms, use joomlalms (paid plugin) but there is a joomla bridge to moodle.

if you want a review, there are various review plugins for joomla.

there is also jfusion which integrates other systems with joomla like having one login for all your systems whether you have a forum, moodle, and other external systems.

to me, joomla is very scalable to your needs and most of the plugins are free.

there are also free and paid plugins that make joomla seo friendly.

Debbie Songster · 02-27-2009, 09:46 AM

Thank you for that. I couldn't figure out what people were talking about (SEO). I have no trouble with my Joomla sites ranking but they are all built using 1.5+
I tried 1.0 and hated it.

I like what they did with 1.5 and the next version promises to be even better. The third party add ons are finally catching up to the new version - I think Joomla has a great future.

Anyone running 1.0 needs to upgrade before it becomes a true dinosaur.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplweb

This is not true. The previous version (1.0) did have issues, but the newer 1.5 is as a good a foundation as Wordpress or Drupal.

I am afraid anyone that's still basing their opinions on 1.0 is a bit out of date.

And yes, I do have a PR9 Joomla website

02-20-2009, 02:39 PM	#1
Scott Burton Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mostly Oklahoma, Sometimes Europe Posts: 617 Thanks: 15 Thanked 68 Times in 56 Posts	Content Management Systems (what works for the 'cash cow') I know people use Wordpress, and for what it is, it can be a great tool. For some sites, Wordpress just isn't a good fit. I can easily put forward a number of different content management systems for the offline businesses I currently and will be working with. But I was wondering if anyone has found any particular strengths or weaknesses in using any other content management system fo such sites? I know some of the systems out there are entirely too much power for what many businesses will need. Which is probably part of why wordpress seems to be a favorite of many. Right now, some of the sites I have been working with are straight HTML coded {gasp!} by hand! Yes it's antiquated, but sometimes it's been the only way I could find to do what I needed to do.
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Micheal Perkins HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 201 Thanks: 5 Thanked 30 Times in 26 Posts Social Networking	Re: Content Management Systems (what works for the 'cash cow') Wordpress is pretty easy to use which is why so many people use it. I have tried Drupal, but the learning curve is steep. I was having problems with getting my pages to link properly. I had tried Joomla and like it. The learning curve seems to be smaller with it, but I am still stumbling my way around it with a site that I am not doing anything with yet.

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Traffic-Bug Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,196 Thanks: 3 Thanked 69 Times in 61 Posts Social Networking	Re: Content Management Systems (what works for the 'cash cow') Drupal is one of the WORST CMS'es I have ever come across. WordPress is much better. If that is overkill simply use CushyCMS

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LightHouse13 Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Content Management Systems (what works for the 'cash cow') Joomla, and extensions it can run you can start anytype of site out there, It's the next step up from wordpress. You can even do a E-com site with it.

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Scott Burton Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mostly Oklahoma, Sometimes Europe Posts: 617 Thanks: 15 Thanked 68 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Content Management Systems (what works for the 'cash cow') Thanks everyone for all the insights. I've played with several CMS systems, and I found Drupal to be a bit cumbersome, but in my opinion (and for what I've been trying to do) it usually beats Xoops hands down. I have only briefly looked at Joomla, and probably will spend more time trying to learn a few more things about each of these.
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my_addict_mind HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , Philippines. Posts: 294 Thanks: 14 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Content Management Systems (what works for the 'cash cow') as far as i am concerned joomla is the best cms. like wordpress, it has many plugins that extends its functionality. you want an ecommerce site, you use virtuemart (free). you want a lms, use joomlalms (paid plugin) but there is a joomla bridge to moodle. if you want a review, there are various review plugins for joomla. there is also jfusion which integrates other systems with joomla like having one login for all your systems whether you have a forum, moodle, and other external systems. to me, joomla is very scalable to your needs and most of the plugins are free. there are also free and paid plugins that make joomla seo friendly.