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Bad time for a noob to start?

by JayMagnus
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Hello everybody. I've been lurking around the forums for a while now, and I just recently decided I wanted to try my hand at making money online after reading about it for some time. Funny enough, around the same time I encounter news about Google's updates and how they have changed the field, and made a lot of programs and methods obsolete. My question is, is this a bad time to start trying to make money online? If it isn't, what does everybody recommend doing after the Penguin update?
I'm a person who learns fast and follows directions well, so I'm very open to suggestions. Thank you in advance for your time.
#bad #noob #start #time
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Thorsett
    My standard answer to "What can I do online to make money?" :

    What do you like to do? What are your interests? What skills do you have? What do you want to do to earn money online?

    If you want to talk privately, I'm on Skype more often than not.



    To directly answer your question: The best time to start is yesterday; the worst time to start is "tomorrow."

    Yes, start now. You'll thank yourself next year at this time.
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    • Profile picture of the author khanhkunt
      Originally Posted by Michael Thorsett View Post

      My standard answer to "What can I do online to make money?" :

      What do you like to do? What are your interests? What skills do you have? What do you want to do to earn money online?

      If you want to talk privately, I'm on Skype more often than not.



      To directly answer your question: The best time to start is yesterday; the worst time to start is "tomorrow."

      Yes, start now. You'll thank yourself next year at this time.
      I also agree with this opinion.
      I think there are many programs that make money without having to depend on Google.
      The rate of Internet users is growing day by day, still a lot to you to exploit the market to make money online
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    • Profile picture of the author David Sneen
      To directly answer your question: The best time to start is yesterday; the worst time to start is "tomorrow."
      Michael says it right. There will always be reasons to not start. But, there will always be people starting and making a fortune. Procrastination can only cost you money in the form of lost wages.

      Find your niche. Learn the ropes. Go make some money.

      Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jit Lim
    Answer is no. There's so many ways of making money online that doesn't rely on the Google update. You can make money promoting CPA offers for example.

    But in saying that, I believe the Google update brings in new opportunities rather than the other way round. Think about it, a lot of people are having to adapt right now and they would be in the same boat as you.

    You don't have the history behind you of how things are done in the past which may not work now so you have a better mindset!

    I'm actually excited that the playing field is starting to level now for new people coming in.
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    • Profile picture of the author sameergulati
      Originally Posted by Jit Lim View Post


      But in saying that, I believe the Google update brings in new opportunities rather than the other way round. Think about it, a lot of people are having to adapt right now and they would be in the same boat as you.
      That is some piece of motivation. Even I just stepped in this forum recently and trying to start off my Online marketing journey. I have my doubts but I'm sure nothing is impossible
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    What has Google got to do with anything?
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    • Profile picture of the author Muhsin Aziz
      I don't think there is a bad time to start. Even if you start 5 years ago, you will still need the same amount of persistence & hard work.

      But whatever that you choose to do to make money online, I suggest that you
      choose one business model & focus on it & make it happen. The key word here is FOCUS.

      I have been trying so many things for the past 2 years that things only start to
      fall into place now when I discovered how powerful focus is.

      It would also be good if you could blog about your internet marketing journey.
      It really helps to keep yourself focused and at the same time see how far you have come.

      Take care buddy.
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      • Profile picture of the author JayMagnus
        Wow this community responds fast, very cool. Thank you for the replies everyone.
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        • Profile picture of the author JerryKuzma
          Originally Posted by JayMagnus View Post

          Wow this community responds fast, very cool. Thank you for the replies everyone.

          It really is amazing, but there ARE some good apples in this basket..LOL..

          You may want to check out the post I just made to another beginner, over here:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...clickbank.html

          Strongly suggest starting with something LOW-COST....there are a lot of pricey products that people try to sell you. You don't need to put too much pressure on yourself by spending way too much and trying too hard to break even.

          Be encouraged!!!! Figure out if you would rather write, or speak, or do graphics, etc. That was good advice above.

          Hope this helps,

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      • Profile picture of the author Monja
        so true - nothing works without focus. i was first wondering when people kept writing about focus, etc - but it´s so true that without focusing on something and make it work before you start something new you lose track and actually nothing works.

        Originally Posted by Muhsin Aziz View Post

        I don't think there is a bad time to start. Even if you start 5 years ago, you will still need the same amount of persistence & hard work.

        But whatever that you choose to do to make money online, I suggest that you
        choose one business model & focus on it & make it happen. The key word here is FOCUS.

        I have been trying so many things for the past 2 years that things only start to
        fall into place now when I discovered how powerful focus is.

        It would also be good if you could blog about your internet marketing journey.
        It really helps to keep yourself focused and at the same time see how far you have come.

        Take care buddy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cheryl Lee
        Originally Posted by Muhsin Aziz View Post

        I don't think there is a bad time to start. Even if you start 5 years ago, you will still need the same amount of persistence & hard work.

        But whatever that you choose to do to make money online, I suggest that you
        choose one business model & focus on it & make it happen. The key word here is FOCUS.

        I have been trying so many things for the past 2 years that things only start to
        fall into place now when I discovered how powerful focus is.

        It would also be good if you could blog about your internet marketing journey.
        It really helps to keep yourself focused and at the same time see how far you have come.

        Take care buddy.
        Muhsin
        I agree with Muhsin, this forum is awesome, i am learning so much
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

      What has Google got to do with anything?
      LOL! The fact is most top earners make money without Google. Being #1 has nothing to do with the SERPS.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

      What has Google got to do with anything?
      Says the guy with 'adwords' in his forum name. Ironic eh?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Now is as good a time as ever to get started in the business, assuming that you intend to deliver something of value to your customers. Focus on their needs and building a traffic strategy that does not rely on one search engine for everything. You'll be good to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
    go for it, think long term and commit
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  • Profile picture of the author MattBrighton
    There are loads of ways to make money online! A few of those methods require being at the feet of google and ranking up onto the first page. However, I offer design services so I don't rely on google too much - I do have some adsense sites but they have been unaffected from the changes thankfully.

    Making money online could be as simple as using sites like fiverr.com and ebay to sell things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
    I can strongly recommend the products offered by a young bright spark on the forum by the name of IamPaulJames.

    A lot of his work involves generating hot leads for offline businesses and selling them. He is a great place to start. Search the forum for his name and threads - he is very clever and provides methods that work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ironman0412
    It doesnt matter who you are, what matter is who you want to become.

    The BEST time to start is NOW, there is lots of way making money online.

    If you believe you can do it, you can !!! All the best...
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerfred
    What has Google got to do with anything?
    soo true... you don't need Google to make ANY money online.. it's just one of the avenues some marketers go into.

    just be sure to diversify your income streams into a few different outlets, rather than just one source. then, if something happens to one of your income streams, you then have others to hold on to until you can work out the issues and fix that one that went down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Mak
    you will have the answer by yourself.

    1. choose one of the following:

    A. will the internet users and online purchasing grow for the next 10 years?

    or

    B. no one will go online, the online market will die in the next 10 years

    2. the yearly online transaction is about millions of dollars, can you cut just a small piece from this cake?

    hope this help
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  • Profile picture of the author JayMagnus
    I mentioned Google because a LOT of the information I've read talks about ranking high on Google as if it's a life or death situation, so I assumed Google was vital in the process.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
      Originally Posted by JayMagnus View Post

      I mentioned Google because a LOT of the information I've read talks about ranking high on Google as if it's a life or death situation, so I assumed Google was vital in the process.
      nope you don't need Google at all
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      • Profile picture of the author tylerherman
        Depends on what you are doing. For niche sites which do depend on Google I think now is a GREAT time to get in. EMDs with almost no links are ranking like crazy.

        Right before a google update is a bad time, right after is a great time. There are plenty of niches around where the first 1-3 sites got slapped hard by Google so your new site can slip right in there.
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      • Profile picture of the author neilward
        Originally Posted by Rick Britton View Post

        nope you don't need Google at all
        There are on average 34000 searches in Google every single second of every single day. How can you ignore such a great traffic source?
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        • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
          Originally Posted by neilward View Post

          There are on average 34000 searches in Google every single second of every single day. How can you ignore such a great traffic source?
          I don't ignore it in my business - it is my main traffic source through serps

          but I was talking to the OP or whoever said "do I need Google?"

          There are lots of ways to get traffic without Google as you well know and if the OP chose he could use all the other methods and not worry about getting ranked. For instance, he could set a budget and send traffic through PPC to his blog, sales page, squeeze page or whatever and start building a list

          so it is true to say "you don't need Google" because you can run a business without it (and there are other search engines). I don't advocate doing that myself but it is possible
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          • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
            It's always a good time to start if you know what you wonna do and if you are motivated enough. Set yourself a small goal and try to catch it, if you suceed rinse and repeat. Good luck !
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by neilward View Post

          There are on average 34000 searches in Google every single second of every single day. How can you ignore such a great traffic source?
          You don't have to ignore it; but it would be foolish to base your entire traffic strategy around it, as many unfortunate marketers choose to do. As the Adsense/PPC/SEO section will show you, once an algo update hits the s*** really hits the fan for those people.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ed H
            Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

            You don't have to ignore it; but it would be foolish to base your entire traffic strategy around it, as many unfortunate marketers choose to do. As the Adsense/PPC/SEO section will show you, once an algo update hits the s*** really hits the fan for those people.
            +1

            When I started in IM a few years back, I was focused on AdSense sites. 5-10 page WP sites - with decent articles - hoping to get clicks. I built a bunch of automation to get them deployed fast (I'm a programmer - this was the fun part for me :-) ) and was making some great progress.

            I had dozens of sites, and was starting to make some decent money, but then the algorithms started to change, and many of my sites on page 1 started to vanish - so did the income.

            Lesson Learned : NEVER rely on a single source for traffic or income.

            Funny thing is, many of the blogs are still ranking, and I get a check from Google for a few hundred every month. Not great money, but not bad for sites I haven't touched in 18+ months.
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    • Profile picture of the author BTbuzz
      Originally Posted by JayMagnus View Post

      I mentioned Google because a LOT of the information I've read talks about ranking high on Google as if it's a life or death situation, so I assumed Google was vital in the process.
      Dont feel intimated, Just research well and ask questions dosen't matter how silly they are.
      work hard and laugh a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by JayMagnus View Post

      I mentioned Google because a LOT of the information I've read talks about ranking high on Google as if it's a life or death situation
      Congratulations on starting to learn that a lot of what you've read about internet marketing originally came straight out of the Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing and was just repeated ad nauseam by others without ever having been true in the first place, and that there's more misinformation than information available. It's absolutely essential to learn this: the people who don't are among those who end up, inevitably, among the failure statistics.

      As Paul and others explain above, those doing best (and certainly those with the safest, most secure, most reliable businesses) are those who are not dependent on Google for their traffic.

      It's a very good time to start. "There's always room at the top". Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    i thought i had missed the boat when i started in 2008

    i thought i was too late

    the internet is still growing and its never been a better time to start an online business. google have made some changes but they always make changes and dont think that google is the only way to make money and drive traffic theres lots more effective ways which are a lot more stable too

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  • Profile picture of the author Challendge
    Your first step should be freelancing! That is the quickest way to make money online and you can do it with just about any skill-set.

    Make your first small fortune by freelancing and then use those funds to start setting up automated income streams.

    Google has nothing to do with it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Levin
    Believe me, there are countless ways to make money online without getting involved with Google. I'd say now is as good a time as any to get started!
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    Quit making excuses to yourself. Just Start! :-)

    ( I mean this in the nicest way - I'm guilty of the same thing)
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  • Profile picture of the author AustinDigital
    It's not a bad time at all! Things are always changing, so you'll always be sitting here wondering that unless you take action!
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    I would have thought that newcomers to internet marketing are at an advantage from where i started. If they take heed to what is happening at the moment then they should be less likely to fall for all the crappy get rich quick schemes as it is becoming more apparent that this is not the way to set up an online business. So NO, it most definitely is NOT a bad time for a newcomer to come into this business and make money, unless they don't pay attention to what's going on right now, and they are just opportunity seekers trying to make a quick buck.
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  • Profile picture of the author weheartcontent
    Anytime is a good time to start. Things are always changing - 5 years ago, 10 years ago and now, it really doesn't matter when you start. As long as you take action, results will follow through.

    Just because there are pesky updates like Panda and Penguin and who knows what other animals Google might name their future updates after, doesn't mean that it would be harder to start or you would have an disadvantage. There are always different ways of doing things. SEO algorithms change, basic money making methods and hard work stay the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author zelgly2
    If you have taken a decision stick to it and do it. There are so many ways to earn money online so start from today and search for the right job of your interest and do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author apoorv.parijat
    No. There is no good time/bad time. You have to start somewhere and some day so do it today.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Brass
    Originally Posted by JayMagnus View Post

    Hello everybody. I've been lurking around the forums for a while now, and I just recently decided I wanted to try my hand at making money online after reading about it for some time. Funny enough, around the same time I encounter news about Google's updates and how they have changed the field, and made a lot of programs and methods obsolete. My question is, is this a bad time to start trying to make money online? If it isn't, what does everybody recommend doing after the Penguin update?
    I'm a person who learns fast and follows directions well, so I'm very open to suggestions. Thank you in advance for your time.
    Making money online isn't something that you need to consider lightly. If you do not have the entrepreneurial spirit to fully develop your online business, then don't waste your time and money here. However, as long as you stay dedicated, focused, and persistent, it can pay off for you.

    The best time to start bettering your financial situation/future is always NOW. Do not let Google's updates change your mind. In fact, there are plenty of other methods of gaining traffic that do not involve Google; Google just happens to be a large part of SEO and internet marketing in general.

    My father is a traditional entrepreneur turned digital entrepreneur and he has always told me that the only reason internet marketers fail is because they lack the drive that any entrepreneur, traditional or web, needs to have.
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    • Profile picture of the author Monja
      Jay,
      I agree with your dad. so true. what often prevents us from success is reading without doing. action was the key in the end and success came as soon as i finally did what i was taught ;-) no, nothing relies on google but you - which is a GREAT thing because you are responsible for your success - or failure

      Originally Posted by Jay Brass View Post

      Making money online isn't something that you need to consider lightly. If you do not have the entrepreneurial spirit to fully develop your online business, then don't waste your time and money here. However, as long as you stay dedicated, focused, and persistent, it can pay off for you.

      The best time to start bettering your financial situation/future is always NOW. Do not let Google's updates change your mind. In fact, there are plenty of other methods of gaining traffic that do not involve Google; Google just happens to be a large part of SEO and internet marketing in general.

      My father is a traditional entrepreneur turned digital entrepreneur and he has always told me that the only reason internet marketers fail is because they lack the drive that any entrepreneur, traditional or web, needs to have.
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  • Profile picture of the author ketset
    Never a bad time to start, the internet is still young and needs people like you to get on board and get involved!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    No, it's a GOOD time to start IM, as Google's updates reward quality and devalue black-hat tricks, which makes things better for all of us who are honest

    Also a good time to start IM because people look on line for better prices and more information before they buy, due to economic challenges.

    My advice to a newbie would be to start with the easiest IM system you can find. For long-term income I recommend AdSense, as it is one of the easiest, and yet can be very profitable as a long-term residual income. The basic principle of AdSense is that you put up some content that people read, and some AdSense ads near it. With a little knowledge on keyword research and effective backlinking, it's going to make you some money, no doubt. Of course, it is certainly possible to go into much more detail on keyphrase analysis and competition analyis for AdSense, but without getting too detailed, in an hour or two of reading, you can certainly know enough to make some money, then build on that.

    You can either start AdSense for free (on sites which let you put up free pages and monetize them with AdSense, some like Squidoo even monetize for you, so ALL you have to do is put up interesting content, and you'll make money), or own your own blog(s) for better profits.

    My advice is test a system (such as AdSense) as quickly and cheaply as you can, then once it is working a bit, improve and build.

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  • Profile picture of the author Essex Accountant
    Yes, now is a bad time to start a business in the current climate.
    Having just started a new business a couple of months ago ....
    I appreciate it is not the ideal time.
    But remember, you are alive today and today is your time so give it a go.
    If you put it off, you may never try and if you never try you will never succeed.
    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Essex Accountant
    Set yourself a timescale and a budget ... decide that you will give it all you have for a certain period and that you wont give up. I find that to be very useful advice for a new business ...
    Be flexible and change, but dont give up until the time you set yourself has expired.
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  • Profile picture of the author ivanadee
    Just do it.
    If you keep thinking about time, then you will never start.
    There is no perfect time to start.
    Just start, make mistakes and generating profit by learning from your mistakes
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    Less thinking more doing mate
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  • Profile picture of the author Michaelangelo Flores
    Remember what they say...

    "The only thing greater than the will to win - is the courage to begin."

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author TechGeek
    Bad time? There's no such thing as bad time. There's only such thing known as earlier time. If you're working full time, start doing some small scale online business as part time. Scale up as you find the way to make money online. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author fletch23
    The internet is a marketing medium...not a product or a service or style of business. Just a way to market.

    Businesses are putting their heads in the ground right now because of the economy.

    My best clients are expanding their businesses right now. When the economy picks up, they will be the business of choice and in the mean time they are still doing great.

    I'm not sure I'd become a real estate agent right now, although I know a few killing it. I would look for some trends, you should also do some soul searching for what you like to do as some have suggested.

    You may want to take the kolbe.com test as well to determine your strengths.

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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      Not a bad time at all. If you don't start now a year from now you will wish you had. You need to first think about what you want to do and that can be one of the hardest parts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Onora Oz
    If not now, then when? Time is ticking.

    I'm a firm believer that internet is the best career ever. There are almost no boundaries. You don't need PhD to be in this business. There's no limit to how much money you can make (it's not like working a 9-5 paycheck).

    This business is awesome, but it's not as glamorous as you are led to believe. There's a lot more to making money online than the hypey guru ads tell you. So... research. But don't get lost while studying IM basics. Do as you read. You'll learn as you go.

    There are hundreds ways of building an internet business. Choose your route first.
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  • Profile picture of the author geraldsoh
    There is no such thing as "bad time" to make money online! And there are 100s of way to make money online, Google does not control everything. Doesn't mean that Google changes new policies, every internet marketer will be in jeopardy.

    What you need is focus and determination! All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    Now is actually a good time. If you can make money in the hard economic climate then you put yourself in an excellent position to make money when world economies pick up and at that point you'll have a defined loyal customer base.
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      • Profile picture of the author slayer0x59
        I think the only thing google has hurt a lot with it's updates is SEO. Starting now shouldn't be bad but it would've been better if you started earlier than this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gianni
        I do not think it is a bad time to start.
        And it never was. The thing is, we need to start somewhere, we need to take some action at some point.
        One thing that you can do to start making money online if you do not have a product is to promote somebody's product.
        It has to be a product that targets people that are interested in a specific niche.
        A niche you are interested about it, a niche you are passionate about it, or something you already know.
        The key in this business boils down to the following :
        1-Build your list of people interested in a specific subject
        2-Build a relationship with them, before you introduce the product that you want to sell or promote.
        The best way to develop a good relationship with your list of people, is by sending regular e-mails to them. For example, a weekly newsletter about their niche of interest.
        Remember, they are already interested in that specific subject matter, so it is easy for you to introduce the product that you are selling. And easier for them to buy from you, because you have already developed a good relationship with them by sending weekly information about their niche of interest.
        What can you send to your list to strength you relation with them ?
        You can send them a short clip about that specific niche they are in.
        You can write a short report about their niche of interest.

        I hope this information helps you to succeed in this fascinating business.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Jay, a lot of the smoke around Google and the necessity for high rankings comes from the Cult of Free Traffic. What's ironic is that many in the cult will spend thousands of dollars in courses, software and services in the name of 'free' traffic. Then, when there's a change like recently, they have the 'Google hates marketers' festival where they get together and curse their false idol for closing the loopholes they use to poison it. Finally, some of the cult's high priests find new loopholes and the cycle starts over again.

    Now is as good a time as any to start. Noobs may even have an advantage, what with not having to unlearn what's stopped working.

    Just watch out for people trying to pin free SEO flowers to your collar in the IM airport...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Copy
    One of my regrets is not starting sooner. So if you are reading this, please don't make the same mistake.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaseyp
    Now is a better time than ever to get started in internet marketing. First of all seo isn't the only way to get started in internet marketing. In fact I wouldn't recommend starting out doing seo as a noob.

    There are soo many ways to make money online. You can make money with social media sites like Facebook, Pinterest, Google Plus. You can do CPA marketing, video marketing, offline marketing.....You can even make money by simply utilizing forums like this one. The possibilities are endless.

    The great part about starting in IM now is that there's so much awesome information and resources that you can take advantage of now.

    If you want to know one of the simplest ways to get started in IM check out my signature below. Also feel free to pm me if you have anything you want to ask me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    Originally Posted by JayMagnus View Post

    Hello everybody. I've been lurking around the forums for a while now, and I just recently decided I wanted to try my hand at making money online after reading about it for some time. Funny enough, around the same time I encounter news about Google's updates and how they have changed the field, and made a lot of programs and methods obsolete. My question is, is this a bad time to start trying to make money online? If it isn't, what does everybody recommend doing after the Penguin update?
    I'm a person who learns fast and follows directions well, so I'm very open to suggestions. Thank you in advance for your time.
    It's NEVER a bad time to start if you are wanting to create a REAL business and not some bs money making "tricks" that you can buy for $7 etc.

    There is more opportunity now than ever before so jump in, work hard, create something awesome, and make a difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author Velant
    It's never late to start if you have a passion you want to share with others. Making money should never be main and sole motivation, only by giving value and offering help can one succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I actually have been thinking about this a lot myself (like 5-6 months ago) and had somehow convinced myself it was true.

    So I scrapped online altogether and started hanging out in the offline section. After only 1 month I started making enough money to quit my job. I also was convinced prior to making that money, that my idea would fail and I would leave this forum forever.

    By some weird stroke of luck, or natural talent (I still don't know which played a bigger role) that money has now motivated me to start investing in online ventures, while maintaining my offline business.

    What really bothers me the most, is just realizing HOW MANY WEBSITES EXIST on the interwebz. It is really baffling if you try to think about this.

    New websites are being made every single day by the droves. I get to see that by being a member of this forum. I also get to see that many of these sites are made horribly (no offense just an observation) and its actually THAT fact which has motivated me to start hitting the online arena more aggressively.

    So many marketers are trying to churn out crap, even after the penguin update. So many of these sales pages/product ideas its almost like they flip a coin, put a couple hours work into it, then thats all they do. It boggles my mind how some people expect to make money like that... or maybe they're just that good I don't know.

    All I know is I realized I may have a genuine chance because I am one person who is obsessed with quality content. It kills how fast I am able to work, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I am trying to create something people will more than enjoy. Something people can look forward to. Something that has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.

    Thats what my current site is all about. I'm not even sure how I will market it yet, but I DO KNOW when it gets into the hands of the right people, people in this niche (not MMO I'm not mentioning what niche), they WILL REALIZE IMMEDIATELY the immense value in the site.

    Other people.... I just can't understand what motivated their ideas. Goes back to my flip a coin analogy. But hey, more power to me, I might actually have a chance in this industry just due to the amount of garbage I've seen.

    G/luck! -Red
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  • Profile picture of the author fenixpro
    Hi Op,

    I would say as many here have that if you are driven and really make the effort, there are a lot of opportunities to make money online regardless of what google is doing or how things are changing.

    That said, it isn't quite the wild west that it used to be and really, it is more difficult to build simple sites, rank them and make money off of them than it used to be - at least for beginners. Or maybe it's more involved and you need to be armed with more information.

    On one hand it is imperative in IM that you focus on one thing at a time so you make consistent progress. On the other, diversifying is also key because you don't want to rely on only one thing. Who knows when it may be pulled out from under you!

    The bottom line is just do it. Don't listen to what rhetoric and opinions, listen to and find facts and methods to follow that are solid and proven. They DO exist online and many of them are right here in this forum.

    Like most things in life, I would say it mostly comes back to you (me/us).
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  • Profile picture of the author electronik69
    Why does Google have so much to do with it there are tons of ways to make money with out SEO. They just require more brain power.
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  • Profile picture of the author Galasso22
    I think the key is the product. If you have a product that is in need you can make money online. I have tried many things over the years but believe I have the perfect product at the perfect time for the perfect cost... so I really hope I can make money online. Once I build a team at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author lynbetz
    This is good to hear, i am a noob at marketing and would like to start creating my own niche websites, i will be definitely looking around the forums and trying out new techniques. Google can change things whenever they want, i guess you just need to adjust to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jakecoop79
    There is so much money to be made on the internet and in so many different ways. It's never a bad time to start. Go for it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zack Lim
    I personally think that it is never too late to start an online business. Haha isn't it very strange that many people keep commenting that the market has become saturated but many new online business is still being started.

    As long as people exist, they will be facing problems and they will be looking for solutions. The role of the business owner or internet entrepreneur is to identify these group of people who are facing problems and providing the solutions to them.

    It is true that the market is getting more competitive but there are also increasing number of new people who get online for the first time which means the whole market share has increase too. I personally feel that the market is big enough for everyone to get their own share of the profit pie.

    I agree with the statements that some Warriors have mention about focusing on giving values and helping the customers. Start thinking on how you can help customers and the money will come in naturally.

    Google is only a part of the internet and some Warriors have keep reminding people in the forum that placing all the eggs in one basket is very risky. I personally like to ask myself what are the things that I would do if Google never exist.

    As many fellow Warriors have mention before, FOCUS on following ONE proven system and simply take massive action. Still a golden advice on how to get real results

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  • Profile picture of the author imgeek2727
    My question to you would be, what service or product do you have that people would be willing to pay money for? Once you know the answer to that question it will become a whole lot easier to progress from there and don't worry, everyone was a 'noob' once upon a time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dazzling Content
    People have been making money online before Google became the top dog. People will still make money online even if Google disappears or becomes unfriendly to Internet marketers (not saying that they are not already unfriendly).

    Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Diversify. If you plan to go the SEO route, also make sure that you start building a nice email subscriber list. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jerremy
    When you go to the sea when the water level is low, the sea still is there.
    Now, Internet is also still there
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  • Profile picture of the author Gerald Arno
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    The best time to start is always now.

    The good thing about this forum is that you can indeed build great relationship, absorb high ROI information, build your brand, and make a ton of money.

    The bad thing about this forum is that you can easily fall into the trap of focusing on the negative stuff such as: People focusing on how the last update made it more difficult or self pitting yourself because of what has happened. Doing those things is not going to lead you anywhere.

    When you enter a certain niche, you should enter it with the mindset that you're going to excel no matter what happens. If you go into it with fear and self-doubt, you've lost the game before it even started.

    Your concentration should be on things you can control, not things you cannot control.

    And yes, there are quite a few aspects about SEO, you'll never be able to control, but you'll able to adjust with the changes..

    The more skilled you become, the easier dealing with problems will be.

    Make sure to get your focus on learing and becoming better, and forget about participating in the self-pity type of discussions with the attitude that "We are all so poor and helpless".
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  • Profile picture of the author primeveal
    They are history and you're present.
    You're learning from them and create a legend at this era.
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  • Profile picture of the author juninhop
    You would really only need to worry about the Google algorithm updates if ranking websites in the search engines (SEO) is directly related to how you make money (ie. you rank blogs and then get on the first page of Google for traffic).

    First of all, I would suggest put your wallet away.
    Secondly, research, research and then research some more. There are so many methods and ways to make money online (SEO, afiiliate marketing, website flipping, product creation; launches, listbuilding, etc.) that unless you know EXACTLY how you want to make money you will be confused and overwhelmed.
    Once you have decided what direction you want to go in, find a mentor who specializes and has experience in the area that you choose to go in. This is the point where you would have to spend a little bit of money, but for newbies having a mentor is the quickest and best way to success.
    Follow EVERYTHING your mentor says to a "T."

    Oh and don't think that this is a bad time to start. The IM world is still just this little bubble that the rest of the world doesn't even know exists.
    I told one of my friends the other day that I make work on the internet, and she didn't even know what that meant lol.
    You're still way ahead of the curve.

    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author devogolf
    There is never a bad time to start. If you have the passion to do it and will take the necessary action you will be fine. After 2 years of struggling I found a way. You can check out how on my blog. Here to help...Allan
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  • Profile picture of the author AlwaysAwa
    Thank warrior for assuring me that internet marketing is still alive and kicking. It just the method that need careful consideration =)
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  • Profile picture of the author loi77
    There is no perfect time to start your IM business.

    IM is here to stay and will remain very profitable despite the fact that change is inevitable.

    Learn to build a list from day 1 an you won't have to rely on Google.

    Start today.

    All the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cheryl Lee
      Originally Posted by loi77 View Post

      There is no perfect time to start your IM business.

      IM is here to stay and will remain very profitable despite the fact that change is inevitable.

      Learn to build a list from day 1 an you won't have to rely on Google.

      Start today.

      All the best.
      Hi David,i like to know more on building a list fast, care to share?
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      • Profile picture of the author lovebeingdaddy
        The key is not to know if it was better to start in the past or now, can't live in the past..the best thing to do is start and take action..the business landscape be it in IM or whatever is always changing thats what makes opportunites available..

        Adapt...learn, implement what you learn, learn from your mistakes
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    • Profile picture of the author Aswad
      Originally Posted by Get genesis and child the View Post

      There is nothing like good or bad time to start. When ever you feel that you have gained plenty of knowledge and you are ready to start you project and you think you can do best in it. Than That will the best time to start. Age bar or time limit doesent matter. The only things matter is that how much knowledge you have....
      I agree. Perhaps today is the best time to start. Internet keep changing but the changes definitely towards the good start for business.

      Please don't be afraid pursuing your own make money online business
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  • Profile picture of the author quercus5
    There are so many different ways to make money online. My advice is to find something you think you would enjoy doing and looks to have a good future. Google is really clamping down on niche websites for example, so maybe don't start with that. Go with something you will be able to pour your heart into and create quality for your customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Batty
    Hey Jay,
    The bad time to start IMHO is tomorrow!
    Everyone in the IM game usually wishes they started sooner.
    There will always be challenges but none are insurmountable.

    Personally, I've decided to not worry about SEO etc., and just get on with building a list.

    I'm much less dependent on the whims of google. It's a much simpler way to roll as far as I'm concerned.

    Good luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author MysteryOfSean
    I think you know it's a good time to start! Your inquiry reminds me a lot of how I would handle a decision like that! But you don't need anyone to tell you! You're already motivated! GO FOR IT! GET STARTED NOW! DON"T QUIT! Never, never, never quit! - Winston Churchill - Quitting is not an option! - Sean Dye
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  • Profile picture of the author hazyl lee
    it's never too late to learn. I saw a lot of white hair guys when i attended a seminar few months ago. How can we say too late to learn when the old guys are still willing to learn
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  • Profile picture of the author RockyRasakith
    Never a bad time to start. Google may change their penguins, ducks, birds, cookie monsters, whatever...etc. It doesn't matter! Billions of people get online everyday, so there will always be room for more marketers.

    I recommend you get the right training. Start learning about blogging, list building, e-mail marketing, relationship building, copywriting, seo, sales funnel, google analytics, PPC advertising and affiliate marketing. The majority of this information can be found on Google. If you don't feel like spending hours searching this information, then I recommend you purchase a reputable training program that will introduce you to the basics of internet marketing.

    Remember that you don't have to be a professional in all the areas I just listed. However, you should be familiar with the terms because you'll eventually need to hire people to do those things for you once you start making the big bucks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
    Do you realize that we are still way early in this IM game?

    Yes, that's true.
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  • Profile picture of the author michaeljcheney
    There's never been a better time in my opinion - more possibilities, greater awareness, more uptake of the internet and as far as Google's concerned: who cares? :-)

    If you develop a business model that relies on Google then you're headed for trouble anyway.

    Yes - you could argue there are more internet marketers now than before but there will always be WAY more prospects and customers than there are savvy marketers catering to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by JayMagnus View Post

    Hello everybody. I've been lurking around the forums for a while now, and I just recently decided I wanted to try my hand at making money online after reading about it for some time. Funny enough, around the same time I encounter news about Google's updates and how they have changed the field, and made a lot of programs and methods obsolete. My question is, is this a bad time to start trying to make money online? If it isn't, what does everybody recommend doing after the Penguin update?
    I'm a person who learns fast and follows directions well, so I'm very open to suggestions. Thank you in advance for your time.
    There's never been a better time in history to start a business online than now. I see much more opportunities today (in my own little world) than ever before and it has nothing to do with the tenfold increase in information products from ten years ago.

    I see these opportunities from just doing normal, everyday things from watching the news, reading, talking to people, attending social events, keeping up to date in what's going on the macro-business world, etc. There are also a few changes in technology that have boosted this as well.

    As an aside: anyone who has built their business on a strong foundation with a long-term business focus and mission statement was not impacted significantly by ANY of the Google updates. Putting all your eggs in one basket goes against ever business principle I've ever learned. So don't worry about the Penguin update or any of the dozen or so minor updates after it.

    One of the more obvious changes in recent memory is the explosion of mobile devices. People are making money creating applications for these devices, but there are also people who are selling via advertising on these devices.

    There are also hundreds -probably thousands - of networks today than there were ten years ago. Also advertising inventory has steadily risen despite the increased demand. It's far easier today for a small operator to look like one of the big boys. And though I've been saying this for years, it still holds true today:

    "You ain't seen nothing yet."

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  • Profile picture of the author JerryKuzma
    Be encouraged....anything that is worth starting is going to take some work.

    But the work is DEFINITELY worth it!

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  • Profile picture of the author tumichael
    Never a bad time indeed! A year ago, I am a totally NOOB! I cant even know how to buy a domain and get confused with hosting, theme, NOTHING. But now I've earned more than 1000 USD online! No kidding! Just keep going!
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  • Profile picture of the author DylanC
    A bad time to start is 2 months from now
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  • Profile picture of the author ExpertSEOServices
    Its not a bad time to start in internet marketing there are hundreds of ways to make money without having to use Google or even worry about SEO.

    Ranking sites is hard and not something for newbies.

    I would recommend starting with another method or consider getting a coach to help you reach your goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Burritt
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    When to start IM?

    There's an old proverb:
    The best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago. The next best time to plant a tree is now.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    It's always a bad time for a beginner to start a business.

    In fact that is your first hurdle. If you can't jump over it, well... I think you can figure the rest out.

    When you know nothing everything seems so daunting, complicated, and out of reach. Change your mindset, stop asking the silly questions and start asking the ones that further push your ideas into implementation.

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  • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
    This is not at all the bad time but probably the best time for newbies to come up with new ideas. Spamming, old, duplicate ideas are being penalized by Google and creating field for fresh blood to do something new. If you really want to work, there is no problem with Google updates. If you want to duplicate others, this is bad time and the future will be worst!
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  • Profile picture of the author MovingAround
    Originally Posted by JayMagnus View Post

    Hello everybody. I've been lurking around the forums for a while now, and I just recently decided I wanted to try my hand at making money online after reading about it for some time. Funny enough, around the same time I encounter news about Google's updates and how they have changed the field, and made a lot of programs and methods obsolete. My question is, is this a bad time to start trying to make money online? If it isn't, what does everybody recommend doing after the Penguin update?
    I'm a person who learns fast and follows directions well, so I'm very open to suggestions. Thank you in advance for your time.
    The people crying about G affecting their websites negatively are the people who didn't play by the rules. If you are willing to go into grey territory, you must accept the inherent risks, full stop. I am tired of all this whiners who had rubbish content to begin with and were cloaking their links and all that stuff that many IMers like to do for an extra $. G will slap these people sooner or later.

    Likewise, as many losers that there are after every G update, there also winners. You won't hear the winners whining after every G update, only the losers. Two of my sites are purely white hat, only focused on quality unique content and they have gained after every G update. With the 3rd one, I did some greyish SEO stuff and it took a dive after the further updates from the April Penguin yet the site recovered because I also wrote unique quality content for it and the greyish stuff didn't make much of my SE strategy.

    In one of the sites, I went from being nowhere (page 10+) for a 25,000 unique m/s to being on 1st page above the fold (3rd position) without doing anything but writing quality content and adhering to G's game. I'm getting a lot of quality targeted traffic and I'm now making money out of it (about x10 more).While my money is not on just the G traffic, the newly generated income from this traffic is enough to live off it alone so you can imagine how happy I am. In fact, this is the first time I talk about it unlike the losers of every G update who create countless threads/topics about how G ate their business and stole their family and all that whining material.

    Play by the rules, be smart and be in for the long term.
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