Unethical to promote products you've never used?

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Part of the problem I have as an affiliate is finding quality products to promote. I'm quite cynical and I rarely find products that intrigue me enough to buy. Because of this, it would be costly for me to buy products and test them out before I can find a good one to recommend to a list.

I know many marketers haven't actually used the products that they recommend to their list. I know many marketers dance around this issue to make themselves feel better about doing it.

How do you get around this? Do you think it is unethical to suggest to somebody that a product is going to help them achieve a specific result if you really have no idea if it does or not? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

    Do you think it is unethical to suggest to somebody that a product is going to help them achieve a specific result if you really have no idea if it does or not?
    It's clearly both illegal and immoral, so it doesn't actually matter to me whether or not it's considered "unethical".

    The problem here isn't about promoting things you've never used, is it? It's about honesty and dishonesty.

    Clearly there's nothing wrong with promoting something you've never used if you say you've never used it. It's if you imply that you have used it, that there's a problem, isn't it?

    When people look at a "comparative review website" covering 25 different makes of flat-screen TV, they don't normally imagine that the site's owner actually owns all 25 of them, do they? (Not unless the website belongs to a consumer survey organization who are given the stuff free of charge, to test, without obligation to review it and without its provision influencing the result, anyway?).

    These are nearly all pretty simple, straightforward questions which boil down to one single issue: are you trying to deceive people.

    It isn't really any more complicated than that, is it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dietriffic
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      It's clearly both illegal and immoral, so it doesn't actually matter to me whether or not it's considered "unethical".

      The problem here isn't about promoting things you've never used, is it? It's about honesty and dishonesty.
      Enough said right there.

      Every idiot that gets up to dishonest practices like this is short-sighted.

      If everyone was honest, you're less likely to have governments close down Internet liberties.

      I'd like to hand my online business down for posterity, but if people keep taking advantage of others through lies, they'll make it more and more difficult for all trying to do business online.

      It happens all the time, though.

      Most testimonials are done in a 'I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine' kind of way.

      Sad, but true.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        If you have a clear understanding of a particular niche including specific issues, there is no compromise of ethics in "recommending" product(s) that contain features specifically addressing those issues.

        For example, professional sales people of high end products almost never own the products they're selling, but rather understand their potential buyers' needs and match them up with features within their product line.

        Also known as "consultation" selling, this concept does not require you to buy every product you sell. I often sell Amazon products well into the 5-figure price range using this method.

        It is neither practical nor expected to own every product before marketing them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marcus Rockey
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


      These are nearly all pretty simple, straightforward questions which boil down to one single issue: are you trying to deceive people.

      It isn't really any more complicated than that, is it?

      Hi there

      Well I had similar moral problems with products I had not used. As mentioned, the way around this was to make it clear, either in terms and conditions or by stating the fact outright.

      Interestingly, I spent months promoting things I had no interest in whatsoever. Here is where my problems really began. It occurred to me that working in the niche that I had a love for or significant knowledge of cured my moral issue around product promotion.

      First. I was able to say "though I have not used this product I have a great deal of knowledge in this area;" ensuring all my content, vids, and all my other marketing would shine through with "you know what your talking about don't you!"

      Second. If I am in the niche I love the chances are I would have used products or services very closely related to ones I might want to promote. Is there really that much of a moral issue if a product I promote has only tiny differences to one I have used previously but am not promoting? Maybe, maybe not. I will leave that answer up to you.

      Good luck.

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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
    Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

    Do you think it is unethical to suggest to somebody that a product is going to help them achieve a specific result if you really have no idea if it does or not?
    If you have no idea whether the product will help your
    subscriber, then you should NOT recommend it at all.

    Period.

    How much is your word and your reputation worth?

    Either buy the product to test it out or contact the
    product owner for another arrangement.

    Making a blind recommendation is the sign of a dumbass.

    Dedicated to mutual success,

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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      Just don't say that you yourself have used it - that simple, right? I would never say I have used something when I haven't.
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      • Profile picture of the author iconoclast
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        Just don't say that you yourself have used it - that simple, right? I would never say I have used something when I haven't.

        Okay, so you don't actually say that you have never used it but then what valuable information can you possibly tell your audience about the product? "Here is a product I found check it out"? Thats not a very convincing pitch.

        Like a poster said above, even giving information or a review which implies that you have knowledge about a product that you don't really have is unethical also. Even if you don't say that you haven't used it.

        Thanks for the replies everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Batty
    There are many tools I do use that I do promote. So with those, I feel very confident that I can both review them and write about them freely.

    However, many on my list are not doing the same type of internet marketing that I'm doing. There may be things that are potentially of benefit to them, that may not be of benefit to me.

    As an example, I don't do Amazon affiliate marketing. But maybe a bunch of my subscribers do.

    So based upon my knowledge and insight, I feel that if I think Amazon oriented plugin or course could beneficial to my readers I have no problem mentioning them.

    As long as I'm honest, that's what counts IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    If I recommend it, I've used it. If I've never used it but it has great reviews I say "here's what other people have said about this product..." Building a business on lies and deceit just for a quick buck is just bad business.
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  • Profile picture of the author s4mudr4
    just don't lie... of course we will know the product deeply if we use it, but if you didn't use it never say that you use it. I think its ethical..
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  • Profile picture of the author Cali16
    Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

    Do you think it is unethical to suggest to somebody that a product is going to help them achieve a specific result if you really have no idea if it does or not?
    I'm still shaking my head as I type this in response to your question above. You really have to ask???

    Let me put it back to you: Do you want somebody (who has no idea if a product can deliver or not) to tell you it will help you achieve a specific result?

    I hope that helps turn the light bulb on....
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Levin
    Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

    Do you think it is unethical to suggest to somebody that a product is going to help them achieve a specific result if you really have no idea if it does or not?
    Well I think the answer to this goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway: Yes, it definitely is. That's assuming the affiliate is implying that they have used this product before.

    Unfortunately, there are always going to be list owners who will literally promote anything to make some quick cash. Just the way it is, no way around it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      I just want to be clear regarding my earlier response. If you promote something that you've never used and personally know nothing about, and you clearly state that to your audience, that's one thing. But to "suggest" that something "will" deliver or to imply or state, in any way, that you have used it or that you know it will worked (giving your readers the assumption that you have used or tested the product, then that is unethical.

      You don't have to personally use everything you promote, as long as you're up front about the fact that you don't have any personal experience with the product. However, I do believe you should personally have tried / used anything you "review".

      Bottom line, treat your list in the same way you would want your loved ones to be treated. Do you want your spouse, mom, child, etc. buying from someone who engages in deceptive marketing when it comes to a specific product they are about to purchase?
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        I just want to be clear regarding my earlier response. If you promote something that you've never used and personally know nothing about, and you clearly state that to your audience, that's one thing. But to "suggest" that something "will" deliver or to imply or state, in any way, that you have used it or that you know it will worked (giving your readers the assumption that you have used or tested the product, then that is unethical.

        You don't have to personally use everything you promote, as long as you're up front about the fact that you don't have any personal experience with the product. However, I do believe you should personally have tried / used anything you "review".

        Bottom line, treat your list in the same way you would want your loved ones to be treated. Do you want your spouse, mom, child, etc. buying from someone who engages in deceptive marketing when it comes to a specific product they are about to purchase?

        If you would have excluded what I highlighted in bold, I would have agreed with you and thanked your post.

        When I review products, I review the "information" and not the "methodologies".

        In some cases, I can review the "methodologies", only because I had used them previously.

        The only thing unethical about promoting a product that you have never used is saying or implying that you have used it, and also promising that your reader will achieve specific results.

        Although I have never before jumped off of a cliff, I can definitely recommend that you should not do that because it could kill you -- not based on my experience but the experiences of others. I don't have to jump off the cliff myself to know that it is a bad idea.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Although I have never before jumped off of a cliff, I can definitely recommend that you should not do that because it could kill you -- not based on my experience but the experiences of others. I don't have to jump off the cliff myself to know that it is a bad idea.
          Unless, of course, you're promoting a product on how to become a professional cliff diver...

          :p
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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          In some cases, I can review the "methodologies", only because I had used them previously.
          Bill, I agree with what you are saying here, but it seems you are referring primarily to info products. My statements were not limited to that and include physical products (e.g. Amazon reviews of various physical products). I don't think it is appropriate or ethical to review a physical product (e.g. a supplement, teeth whitening product, some electronic gadget, etc.) that you haven't personally used (or perhaps your wife or someone who lives with you used and you're reporting their results from seeing / talking to them firsthand - and you state that "my wife tried this and it did/didn't work....").

          Along these same lines I don't think it is ethical to write a review based on other reviews, UNLESS you state that clearly in your review and state that you have not personally used the product (again, I can see the exception with info products - e.g. a WSO about how to sell something on eBay or whatever, and you, as an experienced eBayer, know that it would work).

          For me, the bottom line is to be clear as to the basis of your review or recommendation. I get emails from a few people who often promote things of other people whom they respect, or a product that is getting a lot of great reviews. As long as they state this, no problem (again, these are mostly Warriors who are promoting info products). BUT, if they were to do what the OP initially indicated and say, state, promise, whatever, that it "will" deliver XXXX results of some sort, just to make a buck when they have no idea whether or not it actually will, (as he also stated) then, to me, that is clearly unethical.

          I think it's pretty safe to say that no one wants to buy from someone who is lying to them about a product, so why would anyone think it's okay to do that when they are promoting / recommending / reviewing something? That is why the OP struck me (and a few others, it seems) as pretty black and white. Because he seemed to be asking the obvious (essentially, is it ethic if I lie in order to promote a product - the "lie" being that he's giving the impression he knows that something will deliver when in fact he doesn't have a clue. I personally fail to see any room for shades of gray in that approach. So, unethical? Yes. Very.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            Bill, I agree with what you are saying here, but it seems you are referring primarily to info products. My statements were not limited to that and include physical products (e.g. Amazon reviews of various physical products). I don't think it is appropriate or ethical to review a physical product (e.g. a supplement, teeth whitening product, some electronic gadget, etc.) that you haven't personally used (or perhaps your wife or someone who lives with you used and you're reporting their results from seeing / talking to them firsthand - and you state that "my wife tried this and it did/didn't work....").

            Along these same lines I don't think it is ethical to write a review based on other reviews, UNLESS you state that clearly in your review and state that you have not personally used the product (again, I can see the exception with info products - e.g. a WSO about how to sell something on eBay or whatever, and you, as an experienced eBayer, know that it would work).

            For me, the bottom line is to be clear as to the basis of your review or recommendation. I get emails from a few people who often promote things of other people whom they respect, or a product that is getting a lot of great reviews. As long as they state this, no problem (again, these are mostly Warriors who are promoting info products). BUT, if they were to do what the OP initially indicated and say, state, promise, whatever, that it "will" deliver XXXX results of some sort, just to make a buck when they have no idea whether or not it actually will, (as he also stated) then, to me, that is clearly unethical.

            I think it's pretty safe to say that no one wants to buy from someone who is lying to them about a product, so why would anyone think it's okay to do that when they are promoting / recommending / reviewing something? That is why the OP struck me (and a few others, it seems) as pretty black and white. Because he seemed to be asking the obvious (essentially, is it ethic if I lie in order to promote a product - the "lie" being that he's giving the impression he knows that something will deliver when in fact he doesn't have a clue. I personally fail to see any room for shades of gray in that approach. So, unethical? Yes. Very.

            LOL

            I partly agree with you too, in principle, yet there is still plenty of room for "gray" in your argument.

            Think about commercials for a minute. Do you think all of those "actors" -- "paid spokespeople" -- used the products they are promoting?

            Do we call that kind of advertising "unethical".

            As a former ghost writer, I wrote about a lot of products that I had never used. The distinction between ethical and unethical is more in how I portrayed those products.

            In one case, I did a 3,000 word report on "teeth whitening products". I had used similar products, but that is not what gave my report value. I had zero, and I do mean zero-qualifications to speak about which product was better than the other. And I frequently rejected "medical niche" articles, because I felt that if I interpreted the available data incorrectly, then I could be putting the reader at risk of physical harm.

            When I did do "medical niche" writing, I approached it from a direction that I felt comfortable in doing -- i.e. methods I felt were ethical to do.

            With the "teeth whitening products", I approached it from an angle of talking about the "active ingredients" in the products and government-validated studies of the "active ingredients". I laid out the ingredient lists of the various products, and I let the reader determine the validity of certain products, based on the scientific information analyzed in the report.

            Believe it or not, according to the National Institute of Health (nih.gov), there were two primary ingredients marketed in those products. Both achieved similar results, but one required more time to produce the intended results.

            My experience with these products NEVER entered the equation.

            I did not say in the content that "I used this product and achieved X results."

            But I was able to show that according to the Feds, Ingredient A produced X results when it was used according to the recommended methods, and Ingredient B produced Y results when it was used according to the recommended methods.

            It was not "at all" necessary for me to have used the product, in order for me to make an assertion that the medical community was able to agree on the "active ingredients" in those products to be effective.

            This is just one example of how to approach selling a product that you have never used -- one that is a physical product.

            When I sold TV's for a living, I only had the Sony TV in my home, but I was able to demonstrate to some customers why the RCA was better for their needs and to other customers why the Hitachi was a product that was more in line with what they wanted to purchase.

            It was never necessary for me to "own and use" the TV's I sold, in order to be able to show people that those products would meet their needs. It is also a fact that we sold many TV's in the store that were not even on display in our store. We had them in the warehouse, and those products more accurately matched the needs of our customers, so we provided the information to our customers, and we let our customers make a decision to purchase a TV that they could not even see on display.

            I could give more examples if you would like.
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            • Profile picture of the author Cali16
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Think about commercials for a minute. Do you think all of those "actors" -- "paid spokespeople" -- used the products they are promoting?

              Do we call that kind of advertising "unethical".
              Yes, I think it is highly unethical when they say they USE the product, when they don't. For example, I'm 99.99% certain the well-known and highly paid actress from Desperate Housewives, who endorses a hair color product on TV and in magazine ads, does NOT color her own hair at home with ANY hair color that can be bought at the local drugstore or supermarket. But hey, XXXX company is paying her 6 or 7 figures to say she is.

              I don't pay much attention to celebrity endorsements, because most are just doing it for the money and exposure.


              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              As a former ghost writer, I wrote about a lot of products that I had never used. The distinction between ethical and unethical is more in how I portrayed those products.
              Talking intelligently about the potential pros and cons of a product based on research, other users' reviews, etc, (as long as you're not also saying you have actually used it and gotten XXXX results yourself) is quite different than doing what the OP originally asked about doing. He asked about promoting something and suggesting / saying it "is going to" work for people when he "has no idea" about the product. Apples and oranges here.

              Again, writing reviews that clearly indicate you personally have used something yourself (when you haven't), or telling people something will work when you have no idea, are not ethical in my book. Stating clearly that your review or recommendation is based on research, other people's reviews, etc. but being up front that you haven't actually tried it yourself, that's fine.

              Selling TVs, cars, etc. based on your knowledge of TVs, cars, etc. not a problem as long as you don't make stuff up or knowingly make false statements to make the sale. But, we all know that far too many sales people do blatantly lie to make sales - hence the derogatory connotation of the term "used car salesman".

              Bottom line: intentionally implying or stating something that is a lie is not ethical marketing. To say it another way: Purposefully being dishonest to make a sale - not ethical (although I know it happens all the time, sadly.) That is what the OP was asking (not in his title, but in his original post).

              (Bill, I think for the most part, you and I are on the same page on this.)
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Although I would never promote for example a Clickbank product without buying it and reviewing it personally, there is no such reservation in promoting certain specialized or high end products from Amazon. Even though Clickbank has a much more liberal "money-back guarantee" policy than Amazon, there is a gulf of perceived credibility between them which can impact a marketer's reputation differently. Nonetheless, ethics is not part of the equation when selling from either of these two retailers, because it is not controlled by the individual marketer. The same is true for other major brands and large affiliate networks which have independent customer redress channels. Whatever the marketing method, as long as it's legal, ultimately it's the customer who decides "ethical" standards, not self-righteous dweebs.
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                Apples and oranges here.

                ...

                Selling TVs, cars, etc. based on your knowledge of TVs, cars, etc. not a problem as long as you don't make stuff up or knowingly make false statements to make the sale. But, we all know that far too many sales people do blatantly lie to make sales - hence the derogatory connotation of the term "used car salesman".

                ...

                (Bill, I think for the most part, you and I are on the same page on this.)

                LOL

                Yes, for the most part, you and I are on the same page...

                But the bottom line is that it is not all "apples and oranges" here.

                It all comes down to something I said in a previous thread:


                Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                Don't Sell to Your Readers

                There is a slight distinction between "selling" to people, and letting them know that there is something that they might "want to buy".

                By selling to your reader, you are putting your needs ahead of the wants and needs of your readers.

                By informing your readers of the availability of a product, you are letting your readers decide what is best for them.

                The people on your mailing list should be adults and treated as such. As adults, they should be expected to make their own decisions about whether they want to buy what you have told them about or not.

                So long as you make the subtle mental shift from "selling" to "informing" your readers, people will like and trust you more.

                Anyone who is "promising a specific outcome" to the buyer is likely being unethical. The FTC began addressing this in the last couple years.

                It really doesn't matter one iota whether you have used the product or not. You CANNOT promise your customers a specific outcome, for a number of reasons, legally and ethically.

                Just because I can do something, does not mean that you will be able to duplicate what I have done, EVEN IF I tell you exactly how I did it.

                You may take shortcuts and add your own beliefs to the process, and you will not be guided by my experiences when you take that action. As a result, no matter how well I describe the process to you, you will NOT be able to duplicate my results.

                This applies to info products and physical products.

                Promising specific results is always a problem, ethically and legally.



                You should also never "deceive your customer". This is clearly an unethical approach to marketing.



                The problem is that attributing "use of a product" to being the ONLY way to "not deceive your customer" is a myth.

                And this myth only serves to hold many people back from experiencing the level of success they are capable of achieving.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheDollar
    I'd say it's unethical as you may be conning someone out of money really. The product may be terrible and your advertising it as great. I wouldn't do it.
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      Add another tick in the 'transparent and honest' column.
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    I believe you need to use it to really add value to your reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

    People on here these days talk way too much about honesty, transparency, taking care of your customer, and all that...

    Folks like the OP talk about honesty and transparency in such a way as to imply that they are more honest and transparent than the stereotypical marketer that they are trying to paint as an ugly, unethical brute that takes advantage of others.

    My job as a mailing list manager has never been to sell goods and services to my readers, but to inform my readers of products and services they might want to buy.

    I don't have to use a product or methodology myself in order to let my readers know that there is a product currently on the market that my reader might want to buy. :rolleyes:



    For example, folks on this thread might find this an interesting read:
    Amazon.com: Marketing Ethics: Cases and Readings...Amazon.com: Marketing Ethics: Cases and Readings...

    I haven't read it myself, but I expect that it will add perspective for those who do read it.
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    • Profile picture of the author iconoclast
      Dude, you must be expressing how you really feel about yourself because all I did was ask for peoples opinions on the subject.

      I didn't paint anyone as ugly or unethical. If I felt that way I wouldn't have asked for opinions on the subject. Also, If I'm so out of line then why have so many posters on this thread stated that it is unethical? This thread was basically asking for help because I have a hard time finding products to promote.

      Make no mistake though, people rationalize dishonest behavior all the time in every area of life. That's what I was stating and I stand by that. But yes I agree with those in this thread who say it's unethical to "recommend" products if you don't have some kind of intimate knowledge of what it is you're promoting. I guess it's a fine line because you can point people in a direction of a product without recommending it.

      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Folks like the OP talk about honesty and transparency in such a way as to imply that they are more honest and transparent than the stereotypical marketer that they are trying to paint as an ugly, unethical brute that takes advantage of others.

      My job as a mailing list manager has never been to sell goods and services to my readers, but to inform my readers of products and services they might want to buy.

      I don't have to use a product or methodology myself in order to let my readers know that there is a product currently on the market that my reader might want to buy. :rolleyes:



      For example, folks on this thread might find this an interesting read:
      Amazon.com: Marketing Ethics: Cases and Readings (9780131330887): Patrick E. Murphy, Gene R. Laczniak: Books


      I haven't read it myself, but I expect that it will add perspective for those who do read it.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

        Dude, you must be expressing how you really feel about yourself because all I did was ask for peoples opinions on the subject.

        I didn't paint anyone as ugly or unethical. If I felt that way I wouldn't have asked for opinions on the subject. Also, If I'm so out of line then why have so many posters on this thread stated that it is unethical? This thread was basically asking for help because I have a hard time finding products to promote.

        Make no mistake though, people rationalize dishonest behavior all the time in every area of life. That's what I was stating and I stand by that. But yes I agree with those in this thread who say it's unethical to "recommend" products if you don't have some kind of intimate knowledge of what it is you're promoting. I guess it's a fine line because you can point people in a direction of a product without recommending it.

        In the form of a question, your headline implies that people who promote products they have not used are unethical: "Unethical to promote products you've never used?"

        Your original post further implies the same:

        Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

        I know many marketers haven't actually used the products that they recommend to their list. I know many marketers dance around this issue to make themselves feel better about doing it.

        How do you get around this?

        Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

        Make no mistake though, people rationalize dishonest behavior all the time in every area of life. That's what I was stating and I stand by that. But yes I agree with those in this thread who say it's unethical to "recommend" products if you don't have some kind of intimate knowledge of what it is you're promoting.

        You have reiterated the same assumption in your response to me, bolded above for highlight.

        I am not dishonest or unethical, nor am I trying to rationalize my behavior.

        There is a fine line between ethical and unethical ways to promote any product or service.

        If someone crosses that line, then they are marketing in an unethical manner. If they don't cross the line, they are not.

        If you lie and tell your readers that you have used the product, when you haven't, then you have crossed that line into the unethical.

        If you make promises to your readers that they will achieve certain results, then you are marketing in an unethical manner, because even if you were able to achieve those results, it does not mean that your customer will be able to achieve those results.

        Look at the FTC and their definition of "expected results", they have made it clear that you can tell people "what you were able to accomplish", but you cannot say "that people will be able to do what you did."


        Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

        Also, If I'm so out of line then why have so many posters on this thread stated that it is unethical?

        Until the mid-1400's, most of the people on this planet thought the world was flat. Did it make them right? LOL

        Before we sent space probes to Mars, people actually believed that Mars was inhabited by an intelligent race capable of building canals and pyramids. Were they right? LOL

        If the majority of people think I am wrong, does it mean that I am? Certainly not.

        In fact, most of those folks usually agree with me when I speak, and I had to speak up here to incite them to think beyond what they originally posted.

        This is not a completely black-and-white issue as some have suggested.



        I respect Alexa, and to my knowledge, she respects me. But her answer painted this as explicitly black-and-white. She said:

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Do you think it is unethical to suggest to somebody that a product is going to help them achieve a specific result if you really have no idea if it does or not?

        It's clearly both illegal and immoral, so it doesn't actually matter to me whether or not it's considered "unethical".

        The problem here isn't about promoting things you've never used, is it? It's about honesty and dishonesty.
        Alexa was more directly commenting about whether it is right to promise whether a product will "help them achieve a specific result", which has been addressed in my comments about the FTC.

        Now, Alexa was not wrong in her comments, but she could have done a better job expressing what she was saying. She is a writer; she knows I am right. LOL



        Shaun O'Reilly is brilliant, but even he missed the bigger picture.

        Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

        Do you think it is unethical to suggest to somebody that a product is going to help them achieve a specific result if you really have no idea if it does or not?

        If you have no idea whether the product will help your
        subscriber, then you should NOT recommend it at all.

        Period.

        How much is your word and your reputation worth?

        Either buy the product to test it out or contact the
        product owner for another arrangement.

        Making a blind recommendation is the sign of a dumbass.

        Dedicated to mutual success,

        Shaun
        The thing that Shaun said that hit the nail on the head was, "Making a blind recommendation is the sign of a dumbass."

        And he was right. One should never ever make a blind recommendation. But it should be noted that you don't have to have tested the product for yourself to know whether the product will deliver on its promises to the customer.

        If you take seriously your ability as a critical thinker, then you can review a product and decide based on your experience whether the product has the capacity to deliver on its promises or not.



        In my honest opinion, Patrick Batty gets it:

        Originally Posted by Patrick Batty View Post

        As an example, I don't do Amazon affiliate marketing. But maybe a bunch of my subscribers do.

        So based upon my knowledge and insight, I feel that if I think Amazon oriented plugin or course could beneficial to my readers I have no problem mentioning them.

        As long as I'm honest, that's what counts IMHO.


        I'll forgive Billy. He is a young un...

        Originally Posted by Billy Levin View Post

        Well I think the answer to this goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway: Yes, it definitely is. That's assuming the affiliate is implying that they have used this product before.

        Unfortunately, there are always going to be list owners who will literally promote anything to make some quick cash. Just the way it is, no way around it.
        But then again, Billy qualified his comment to whether, "the affiliate is implying that they have used this product before."



        This comment goes back to what Shaun said in his post:

        Originally Posted by TheDollar View Post

        I'd say it's unethical as you may be conning someone out of money really. The product may be terrible and your advertising it as great. I wouldn't do it.
        "Making a blind recommendation is the sign of a dumbass."



        Melanie was answering part of Alexa's comment regarding being dishonest.

        Originally Posted by Dietriffic View Post

        It's clearly both illegal and immoral, so it doesn't actually matter to me whether or not it's considered "unethical".

        The problem here isn't about promoting things you've never used, is it? It's about honesty and dishonesty.

        I'd like to hand my online business down for posterity, but if people keep taking advantage of others through lies, they'll make it more and more difficult for all trying to do business online.

        It happens all the time, though.

        Most testimonials are done in a 'I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine' kind of way.

        Sad, but true.
        When she said, "Most testimonials are done in a 'I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine' kind of way", she was making a statement that has little basis in reality.



        Paul is also brilliant, and despite the posts of other people in the thread, he and I share the opinion that selling products that you have never used is NOT unethical:

        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        If you have a clear understanding of a particular niche including specific issues, there is no compromise of ethics in "recommending" product(s) that contain features specifically addressing those issues.

        For example, professional sales people of high end products almost never own the products they're selling, but rather understand their potential buyers' needs and match them up with features within their product line.

        Also known as "consultation" selling, this concept does not require you to buy every product you sell. I often sell Amazon products well into the 5-figure price range using this method.

        It is neither practical nor expected to own every product before marketing them.


        Even though you are claiming that you did not have a bias when you started this thread, you are clearly showing your bias now:

        Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

        But yes I agree with those in this thread who say it's unethical to "recommend" products if you don't have some kind of intimate knowledge of what it is you're promoting. I guess it's a fine line because you can point people in a direction of a product without recommending it.

        You don't need to simply "point in a direction of a product" in order to remain on the ethical side of promotion.

        You stay on the side of ethical by:
        • Not saying you have used the product yourself;
        • Not implying you have used the product yourself;
        • Not saying or implying that someone will achieve "promised results";
        • Not lying to or deceiving your customers;
        • And as Shaun said, "Not making blind recommendations".
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        • Profile picture of the author iconoclast
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          In the form of a question, your headline implies that people who promote products they have not used are unethical: "Unethical to promote products you've never used?"

          Your original post further implies the same:]
          You're right. I did imply that its unethical and I do feel that way.

          Tell me this. If you aren't recommending the product based on any intimate knowledge of the contents then I don't think you are providing your list with much value. What value are you providing? Just to tell them that there is a product out there that claims to do such and such?
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

            You're right. I did imply that its unethical and I do feel that way.

            Tell me this. If you aren't recommending the product based on any intimate knowledge of the contents then I don't think you are providing your list with much value. What value are you providing? Just to tell them that there is a product out there that claims to do such and such?

            See, there you go assuming things that I do not do. In fact, I said as much in this thread already.

            I personally review 98% of the information products I recommend to my list. I buy 80% of the products I review, and get a review copy the other 20% of the time.

            Please note where I said:


            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            Emphasis on, "i never recommend any product which unless i have gone through it myself".

            Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

            Making a blind recommendation is the sign of a dumbass.

            It is not important for YOU to see value in my mailings, but it is very important for my readers to see value in what I do.

            And so long as my readers continue to believe that I am offering to them real value, I will continue to earn an average of $2 per month per person on my list -- which in case you don't know is about 4-5 times higher than the average.



            In your first post, you said:

            Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

            I'm quite cynical and I rarely find products that intrigue me enough to buy. Because of this, it would be costly for me to buy products and test them out before I can find a good one to recommend to a list.
            But buying products to review is a "cost of doing business".

            If you remain unwilling to spend the money to find out if the product is worthy of recommendation, this will likely always remain a problem for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Making a blind recommendation is the sign of a dumbass.
    You should see one of my email accounts... It gets hammered by "dumbasses" all day long!

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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I think the only real answer you will get is from what your conscience is telling you.

    It's then up to you to decide whether you should listen to it or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author servicelinks
    It is a no for me. Besides, I would sell the product effectively without actually trying it. Trying it myself brings a different kind of confidence diverse to knowing the facts or details about the product.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    this is very simple to answer

    i only ever recommend products or tools which i have used or i use myself

    i never recommend any product which unless i have gone through it myself

    if you value your name, your customers and business then do yourself a favour and spend a bit of time actually going through the product before even thinking about promoting it

    if somone wants to promote anything of mine i will gladly give them a review copy because i would want them to go over my course before recommending it

    i personally think the only people that dont have the time to do this are the ones that recommend 10 products a week and they just hammer and burn there list

    paul
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      i never recommend any product which unless i have gone through it myself

      if you value your name, your customers and business then do yourself a favour and spend a bit of time actually going through the product before even thinking about promoting it

      if somone wants to promote anything of mine i will gladly give them a review copy because i would want them to go over my course before recommending it

      i personally think the only people that dont have the time to do this are the ones that recommend 10 products a week and they just hammer and burn there list

      paul

      Emphasis on, "i never recommend any product which unless i have gone through it myself".


      Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

      Making a blind recommendation is the sign of a dumbass.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alcon
    Personally I wouldn't recommend a product that I have not tried myself, its downright unethical in my mind and serves only to deceive the customer
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  • Profile picture of the author gweis99
    You probably already know the answer to that question but still I understand your need to ask it. I've asked it too even though I knew the answer.

    If you try to ignore what your heart is telling you, you are going to have a tough go at it. Taking massive action will be a major problem because you will always be questioning your own integrity.

    Don't waste time trying to figure out a way you can market something you don't believe in and still feel good about yourself. It's not going to happen.

    Either keep looking for products you can stand behind or create your own product which is what I am in the process doing now.

    You may think your too new and inexperienced to create your own product but your'e not. You just need to learn how.

    All the best...
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    • Profile picture of the author John J M
      Originally Posted by gweis99 View Post

      Either keep looking for products you can stand behind or create your own product which is what I am in the process doing now.

      You may think your too new and inexperienced to create your own product but your'e not. You just need to learn how.

      All the best...
      Creating your own product is always a great choice, something I have done as well, but even then you'll probably have to use tools to promote that product, etc.

      That's when you can start multiplying your efforts by promoting the extra tools in connection with your own product because now you know they all work together. In terms of marketing online, a lot of things work hand in hand, and a lot of things give you the ability to make money off of them (as an affiliate), so it's good to think upfront how you can use a product for your own results while at the same time promote it to others.

      To me, that's the best of all worlds.
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  • Profile picture of the author zapseo
    You can go through a product, think it great, have it be great FOR YOU, recommend it, and STILL have a LOT of complaints.

    It happens all the time.

    And everyone would be right.

    Because people have different needs, desires, dreams aspirations, goals and wants.

    In an extreme view -- think of it as though you recommended girly girl perfume to a bunch of Gold's Gym Male Body Builders.

    Just because it got rejected by the Body Builders doesn't mean that the product was bad.

    What I'm saying here is ... even going through the product is no guarantee that it will fit with the people you are marketing to ...

    So that raises another interesting ethical conundrum ... is it ETHICAL to recommend a product to a group who would have no interest?

    How do you determine that, then?

    Where do you draw the line?

    Live JoyFully!

    Judy
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  • Profile picture of the author Dylan Lars
    I don't think it is unethical, if you know the product works. Sure, we would all like to spend time with each product and familiarize ourselves to guru status, but if you have a colleague that will vouch for a product, then you should be good. If you're referring buddy is solid, and you trust that person, promote it. If you want to be a guru at something, work with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Has no one ever bought a car before? Nuff said!
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    • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
      I don't think you have to have used the product to promote it.

      For example, there are many great personal trainers out there who have NEVER been overweight but are constantly helping people with weight loss suggesting meal items, weight loss equipment, diet programs, and exercise plans that they have never done because they have never been in the situation to have to lose significant weight.

      I don't find that to be unethical, immoral, or whatever word you would like to use.

      Context is key.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by Wakunahum View Post

        I don't think you have to have used the product to promote it.

        For example, there are many great personal trainers out there who have NEVER been overweight but are constantly helping people with weight loss suggesting meal items, weight loss equipment, diet programs, and exercise plans that they have never done because they have never been in the situation to have to lose significant weight.

        I don't find that to be unethical, immoral, or whatever word you would like to use.

        Context is key.
        This sums it up perfectly. I own several review sites and each site promotes several dozen to over 100 products each. Although I don't own the products, I present the reviews in the context of my knowledge of the technology.

        It's very easy to provide meaningful opinions / reviews of products you don't own assuming you know something about the technology or field in general and are good at researching what the marketplace at large is saying about said products.
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  • I personally only promote products that I have personally bought and used or I have done due diligence in finding reviews of what others are saying about the product. I think being honest is always the way to go. If you have not personally bought the product then do your review based on the opinions of people who have. But be sure to get many reviews before you promote it. I always like to promote for people I trust. In the IM world if I promote something you can bet I either have bought the product or I believe in the product creator.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    I personally dont think it is unethical because just because the product does not fit into your current plans or goals doesn't mean it cant help someone else. If you believe in the creator of the product I say go ahead and promote it.
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