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Hi Tommy I have a question about CTR. My understanding is that if your CTR is too high then Google may see the site as MFA and penalise it as they do not like such sites. Do you have a view, experience or data that supports this John |
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Thank you so much Tommy. This post of yours is really very informative and inspirational. One thing I would like to ask is how do you go about testing and tweaking the ads. I mean how do you test which ads are getting the clicks and which are the ones that should be tweaked. What sort of tweaking? How do I go about finding niches where we get $0.40 or $0.20 per click? do we look at adwords costs for this but I have read a few people saying that a certain keyword which costs $10 per click doesn't mean that it is going to pay us $10. It will be much much less. How do I go about to find what it will pay for each click? Sorry, these questions may seem very basic, but I have not done much with adsense yet. Only a few days ago I was thinking about getting started with adsense and I was sort of magically led to your post. Awesome! Thanks, Faraz |
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Thank you Tommy. That is such a valuable nugget. Most just throw the sites up and forget, hoping clicks and money will come. In my opinion, with so much effort needed to get $10/site/day, for a newbie it would be better to start with Affiliate marketing instead, learn about driving traffic and then go after Adsense income. I have a bunch of AdSense sites doing not much. Tommy, your insight will be very valuable to me and many others. Thank you for sharing. Virender |
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Faraz, It is against Google's TOS to track individual ads. Having said that, I try one ad block for a week or so, at least 3-4 thousand visits, then I try another block, then another, always one block and vary placement. Then, I combine blocks to see if I get more clicks. If it climbs too high, I back off so I'm at around 5-10%. That is because I am conservative. Now as for the keywords, I look for keywords that land in the $1.50 - $2.00 range to be sure that I get my minimum $0.20 or so per click. I have niches that are worth over $3/click and many times G will give me $3 for that click. The reason for that is I don't get tons of traffic from Digg and others that are "trash" traffic. If you do that, G will pay you under $0.04/click because the advertisers are getting bad traffic. Use social bookmarking to get links before you put ads up on the site. People are much more likely to bookmark and share a site that has no ads on it. Quote:
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Thanks for the info,very much appreciated it's changed my views on what to look for.
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Hi Tommy... great post! You have made me go swimming in the Adsense waters again. Some people pay WAY too much attention to the amount of money a site will make. It IS NOT about the money, it is "process" that is important. If you find a process that makes you $12/day in a small, low cost Adsense campaign, just think what that same process will do in other more profitable niches. The process is what makes the money. There are just too many people that will step over a dollar to pick up a shiny quarter. Too many people are attracted by the "shine" and they fail to see the bigger picture. You're a great guy, Tommy, and I really appreciate the information! Take care! |
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Don't you guys get bored of making sites just for adsense purposes? Why not build fewer but better sites and sell some real products? Could be even more money to be made... |
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Hey Tommy, Thank you very much for the information, it will be extremely helpful if I ever go back into Adsense... But my question to you is.. do you do any sort of SEO to any of your websites? |
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For those of you who asked about promoting my sites, I do this also: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...egy-i-use.html Enjoy! TomG. |
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I didn't mention selling other people's products or acting as an affiliate. You could create and sell your own products. Perhaps, you could then buy the beach. | |
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"ANYTHING' more or less encompasses selling your own products also. There is a tremendius amount of headache in developing, marketing and selling your own Product. Some of us do not want any part of it. I don't care if it enables me to buy the Beach and the Ocean along with it !! ![]() Thanks but no thanks. | |
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Hi Tommy, Any chance you can share one of your sites? Thanks |
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Hi Tom Is there any chance your would show us how the layout of your sites are ( that give the best CTR?) not expecting you to expose your sites but perhaps a glimpse of the layout would be great. Also, do you use more blogs or static sites? Which is better for adsense? This is a very inspiring thread, btw and thanks for sharing. Choying |
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Great post Tommy. Never really done much with Adsense, but you're making me think that perhaps I should outsource to have some of these sites created along the lines that you have discussed. Quick question if I may? How long or how many backlinks would you get before then putting Adsense on your sites? Thanks Tommy. Roy |
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Hey Thom,I am kind of new to this forum and was surprised to know that you have about 200 sites. You must be a robot.Are you? I benefited from your post anyway. That was an eye opener. I won't be surprised if you come up one day with program like adsense.
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Damn, I thought getting $10/day was a failure. Not anymore now, thanks for bringing me back to reality ;-). After reading this post and many others, one common critical point that always crops up is testing and tweaking.
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I have a love hate relationship with adsense I pretty much gave up on adsense a couple of years ago and reduced my sites to about 50 small sites with only 4 or 5 pages each that I never touch.. I still made $1600 from them in December. Thats the bit I love... The bit I hate is that I know for 1000 clicks to clickbank i make about $440 the same number of clicks on adsense ads I am lucky to make $100. Having said that It's easier to get 1000 adsnse clicks that 1000 clickbank clicks. You should have several income streams and adsense is one of the easier ones to build and maintain. | |
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Thank you for the informative post tom.... but i would like to say tht u have it all wrong... its not the niche that matters... its the quality of the traffic that gets you the $$..... people say the IT niche is crap. have u ever seen that on adwords' end?.. there are countless bidders and advertisers for that niche... meaning you should get really high ppc... but you dont, cause well.. the high ppc is for the american and british visitors only.... you could get a nice law firm keyword to stick on ur site but wouldnt get even 10 cents if the click is from asia..... target quality traffic and you will make good money....there is money in every niche! |
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Hi Tommy, Great thread - loads of info. I tried an experiment to test whether a website or a blog earns more with Adsense. The blog was easier to get traffic to but earned way less than the site did. I left the blog running for about six months (and kept adding articles) but it never earned as much as the original plain website did (I had an untouched control site to check what Adsense was up to, so it wasn't Adsense playing games). Just to be certain I tried it on more than one site and the results were the same (even if the url's on the blog were the same as for the site). I think it comes down to the linking structure you mentioned. Blogs have way to many links and they all compete for visitor attention. It is possible to create simple themes, but simple websites are easier to put together (and edit) and much quicker to get online (plus they don't need robust hosting accounts). And as you mentioned, website maintenance is minimal, the copy on your hard drive is your backup - Blogs are maintenance hungry and bandwidth hogs in every way. |
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Each to his own I suppose. Part of the danger though is that you rely 100% on Mr Google not doing anything too funky. The old saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" springs to mind. Adsense can be wonderful I know, but as someone else said, "develop more than one source of income". "It's too late when it's already raining". (I can't think of any more suitable puns right now). | |
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Hi tommy, you are an inspiration for newbies like me, I really find your post amazing, I have few blog myself that make an everage of $5 a month from adsense. I am always looking for differeny stream of income, and you just give me another one. Thank you, Simon |
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Hi Tommy, Thanks for this great post. It's one of the most useful threads I've read since joining the WF. My view of adsense has definitely changed after reading this and I'll be adding it as one of my income streams from now on (now that I know what's really involved), just wish I had been doing it a few years ago. Shane. |
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I agree with the multiple streams of income being the most secure. But I also think the best approach to that is to start off your sites as an adsense site and see how it does. Also, the kinds of topics you target with adsense generally aren't the kinds of topics you target with affiliate income. Affiliate income (not all but some) tends to be in competitive markets that takes a long time to get rankings in the SERPs. With an adsense site you can make some decent money by writing about trailer hitch covers and koi fish. If the niche performs well, then you broaden out into possible affiliates (if you can find any) but until you get thousands of uniques a day, you're not going to make much of a sale with affiliate income. All you need is a couple hundred a day to make $60-$100 a month on a properly done adsense site. So it makes sense to start with adsense, and expand you income horizons on your high performing websites. On WF you read all the hype about building a list and selling affiliate products, but there is a genuinely good reason to hit up adsense and put some effort into it to start out. |
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I have a quick question. When you set up Adsense on the blog, how do you know which pages get the higher earning ads? Do you set up a channel for each page and determine it that way, or just go on the CPC Estimates from the Keyword Tool?
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Tommy: you know what you're doing. A lot of people using AdSense don't. Great post. Have you ever been sandboxed for trying to climb the SERPs too fast? How do you stay out, or get out once you get in? |
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Thanks for the advice you gave me way back there somewhere. This thread has gotten really busy since my question. A lot of good info here, it's threads like these that make the WF what it is. Sonni |
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Hey Tommy, that's a nice one. I know of someone who owns well over 2000 Adsense niche sites and clock $10K per month. But nowadays, the price of clicks seem to have watered down quite a bit. I agree that it is the choice of niche that is very important. Niches like credit cards, debt, finance-related tend to pay much better per click. But ranking for these sites are not so easy unless you go for long tails. Frankly, I only use Adsense as a secondary source of income and will not rely on it totally. I prefer to have affiliate products or my own as the main source. |
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hi tommy, great thread you have here. just like to comment on the use of google external tool to determine cpc. the data provided by this tool reflects the cpc on the search network and not on the content sites. i find that the actual figures vary a lot is there a way to determine the cpc for the content network? |
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I totally agree with your post Tommy, i have a few Adsense sites and my best on is the the one that has the highest payout per click. I built a big site with approx 100 unique articles on it and 100 unique articles sent to article directories, it has a good amount of clikcs per day but a very low click payout, so next site i set up i will try and chose a higher paying niche |
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Birdhouses-> winter birdhouse, solar birdhouse, robin birdhouse, all $0.05/click Birdhouses-> martin bird houses, backyard bird house, window bird house, all over $1/click Now if we were writing about bird houses and we chose the first 3 keywords and ones like it, we would be seeing clicks of a few cents max. This site would be a total loser, especially considering the traffic figures of under 500 clicks/month. If we wanted to try and make a go of this and targeted all the best keywords over or near $1/click, maybe we would do OK. Now this is not an example of a niche I think is hot or anywhere near hot, so don't waste your time writing about bird houses unless that is your passion, it is only and EXAMPLE! Quote:
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Tommy, On average how many pages does each site consist of? Do you keep it at a manageable tight niche, like say 10 articles of different birdhouses as your example... or do you just keep building onto one site as long as you feel each article can bring in additional revenue? I ask because if you have a niche that you can potentially write dozens of articles on do you keep writing for that niche or do you get tired after awhile and just do 5-10 articles for each subject? Also... do you submit a google sitemap for each site? Thanks, TedK |
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OK, in my bad birdhouse example, I try out 5-10 articles. I look at the traffic that I am able to generate. Now, as I said before, Google rockets your site up to the top of the results initially if your site is properly targeted. This is the period to watch. If you cannot get decent traffic, move on because you probably hit a dud. If I see a strong surge of traffic, I get to work and mine those extra keywords, especially if I'm getting a high CPC. This will all become second nature to you eventually. Just don't sit on the fence doing nothing because doing nothing is a sure way of making nothing. I have a weight loss site with over 65 articles on it. I have not even scratched the surface of that niche. Yes, I know what I said about high-competition niches, I am in the money niches for the long term. This site will get to page 1 of Google in around 6-9 more months. It is about a year old and is finally starting to climb the ranks. Oh, and yes, I submit my sitemap to Google webmaster tools. TomG. | |
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The key to adsense is not to focus on a dozen or so sites. Its to build hundreds of micro blogs and then when you eventually have say 500 (and hopefully you will make many more than this)blogs out there all you need is 50 cents a day from each blog then you have a great little earner Too many people think that you need thousands of people to a blog to earn money. You dont.. Rather than try and make 5 great blogs that get traffic, build about 5 new ones everyday and get them out there on google then all u need is a couple of clicks per day from each blog.You may not get clicks from every blog u make but its a numbers game and some blogs u make will make up for the blogs that are flops ive been using adsense now for a month or so and my adsense is slowly building up nicely i only have about 50 blogs. they dont all get traffic after all its a numbers game if you do research on niches b4 u make that small blog then u will do better. some of the bogs will be hits and some will be misses but if you keep making blogs and keep putting them out there then you are going to get results Now i know what your thinking, " how do i get traffic to my blogs" well its simple - i use a special google tactic which def works, i do it after every blog that i make And no i dont spend 5 hours on making a blog like some people ive heard. It takes me about 30 mins from start to finish thats making the blog and promoting it then thats it, i leave the blog and i dont touch it ever again then i move on to the next one there are some exceptions though, if some of your blogs are gold mines then you could do extra things to promote it and get even more traffic to it but that will be up to you hope this helps |
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As always, awesome post. As you can see, this is a popular thread that many people want to know more about. I hope you plan on creating a product around this topic.
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I sometimes choose a big niche yet I just make 5 cents for a click and sometimes I'd go with a small niche and get 50 cents for a click!! it's really weird and I can't figure the rules of this game! |
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