stop creating websites = good way to make money?

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I have tried a lot of different things and I am coming to the conclusion after a few months of testing and investing and examining results, expenses and revenues that websites really are not worth the effort

I have received far more bang for my buck from stuff like kindle ebooks, social media,videos and solo ads than trying to compete for a keyword and building an adsense site

I am starting to come to the conclusiont that I could make a decent living from IM with very little actual websites of my own out there

maybe a blog to promote some of my stuff or a squeeze page or two but as for churning out adsense sites or affiliate sites - well I am not sure that is the way to go

i believe releasing a few ebooks on kindle, using facebook fan pages, twitter and youtube and building a list are the way to go

of course you may wanr the vids/fan page and twitter followers to point somewhere like a website or AND THIS IS KEY, you can make money off them within their own rights

whay say you all about making a living while managing a minimal amount of sites? Do many of you do this?

product creation is the next area i plan in dabbling and again website is not essential for this
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

    I am coming to the conclusion after a few months of testing and investing and examining results, expenses and revenues that websites really are not worth the effort.
    I'm sure you have your reasons, but please excuse the observation that I can't actually see any of them in your post.

    Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

    I have received far more bang for my buck from stuff like kindle ebooks, social media,videos and solo ads than trying to compete for a keyword and building an adsense site.
    I'm not surprised. That sounds to me like a reason not to build AdSense sites (I didn't need a reason for that, myself: I don't intend ever to be dependent on Google anyway). Not like a reason not to build websites? :confused:

    Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

    maybe a blog to promote some of my stuff or a squeeze page or two
    They sound pretty much like "websites", to me?

    Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

    i believe releasing a few ebooks on kindle, using facebook fan pages, twitter and youtube and building a list are the way to go
    I strongly suspect that how much you'll earn from all that will be directly proportional to how well targeted the traffic is from which you build lists, how successfully you opt them in, and how effectively you communicate with the resulting subscribers.

    One way and another, it normally is.

    Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

    product creation is the next area i plan in dabbling and again website is not essential for this
    For me, it would be absolutely essential.
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    • Profile picture of the author turtlechief
      My understanding is that both search engines and people like consistency and fear change. We trust someone who's been selling the same widget for the past 25 years to not rip us off and then close doors and move away. Websites are no different. Google prefers to send people to a site that's been around since 1996 over a site that's 6 months old.

      In my mind the website thing is a long term play. That's why I stick to what I love and I don't let the website consume my life or my bank account (right now my overhead is about $30/month for hosting and an email autoresponder).

      I'm sure there are people out there who earn 6 figures or more and can go out and make a killing, but for most people it takes time and a commitment to stick it out for the long haul.

      I've seen IM gurus selling $2000 workshops with things like "How I earned $12,000 in only 60 days!" What they are not telling you is that the 60 days is after the product launched. Before that they spent at least six months creating products, generating traffic and interest, building email lists, etc. So it's really $12,000 over 8 months, which is still not bad, but there's no guarantee you will have the same success your first time out the gate. I prefer to spend money on someone willing to be a personal coach or mentor over a product/video/e-book/system, but that's just me.

      But if you're willing to stick it out and start small and learn from your mistakes then you will gain wisdom and experience. Soon you will be the one charging $2000 for a workshop.
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      • Profile picture of the author danr62
        Originally Posted by turtlechief View Post

        My understanding is that both search engines and people like consistency and fear change. We trust someone who's been selling the same widget for the past 25 years to not rip us off and then close doors and move away. Websites are no different. Google prefers to send people to a site that's been around since 1996 over a site that's 6 months old.
        Who cares about Google? Don't build websites for Google, build them because they are a property you own and control, and can attract an audience to in many ways that don't involve Google.
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        • Profile picture of the author Carlton Johnson
          Hey, you know this already anyway, but there are lots of ways to make money online. Someone else said it pretty well when they said:

          Originally Posted by danr62 View Post

          Who cares about Google? Don't build websites for Google, build them because they are a property you own and control, and can attract an audience to in many ways that don't involve Google.
          Historically I build authority sites with a long term goal of creating my own products as well in that niche, but more and more I am leaning towards diversifying and bulding squeeze pages in a niche and that is it for a while and then just market to the list, especially when I have my own product in the niche. I still think I will always aim to build authority sites in my niches but I am a big fan of keeping it simple and squeeze pages that I can drive traffic to via solo ads or any other means, fits that bill nichely.
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          • Profile picture of the author dannn1
            When I was getting started I started to build affiliate sites and quickly realized how amazingly boring it was to simply advertise products and write tedious reviews about them.

            Going with the list building, email marketing business model in IM I find is far more fun because of the amount of different content and value you have to deliver to your customers and followers.

            Creating free offers for your squeeze page as incentives to opt-in, or even creating your own products to market via email is far more satisfying than creating these affiliate sites.

            I think this is true because after creating one of these things, you know someone out there will benefit from your free offer or product - even if they don't buy anything.

            List building nowadays is about giving people value before you try to sell them something, and that's what I think was missing from the rather drab affiliate websites where the sole goal was to sell things.

            Of course starting an IM business means you want to make money - but focusing on helping people and resolving their problems as opposed to sales pitching immediately seems more satisfying than writing reviews about pots and pans or razors or whatever.
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            • Profile picture of the author turtlechief
              to dannn1 -- you are absolutely correct, your post was spot on.

              to danr62 --
              Who cares about Google? Don't build websites for Google, build them because they are a property you own and control, and can attract an audience to in many ways that don't involve Google.
              I couldn't agree with you more. The only reason I even brought up Google was because so many people are obsessed with SEO, as though it is the only way to build traffic. I've always said - At the end of the day a real business markets and sells to people, not robots.



              P.S. I'm new to this forum and I must be missing something. How do I 'thank' people?
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by turtlechief View Post

                P.S. I'm new to this forum and I must be missing something. How do I 'thank' people?
                There should be a button marked "Thanks" in the very bottom right-hand corner of their posts, below their signature-files. That used to appear when you'd made 5 posts, yourself. (But that number might perhaps have been increased, if you're still not seeing it, with 12 posts of your own?).
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  • Profile picture of the author ddev
    Videos (that you can upload to YouTube) work fantastic. Many times i see them ranking for long tailed keywords within a couple of hs (even without a single backlink). Long Life to Videos
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post


    product creation is the next area i plan in dabbling and again website is not essential for this
    Correct me if I am wrong but I think you will need a website for this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew1122
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    so you are another tool who "make" and promote product in the "how to make money online" and seo niche but you have no idea how to do it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
      Originally Posted by Andrew1122 View Post

      so you are another tool who "make" and promote product in the "how to make money online" and seo niche but you have no idea how to do it?
      not sure what you mean by that


      maybe I should clarify a tad

      Yes, you need some web presence, maybe your niche authority site and a blog (you can attach squeeze pages and download pages to either of these)

      What I think maybe is not such a good idea and which a lot of people do is to churn out site after site after site whether for adsense or affiliate stuff or every new product/service

      this costs a lot, requires a lot of management and weakens your brand and name


      forgive me if people have misunderstood my central point, i just feel that going down the "churn out a site for every half-decent keyword i find" strategy to be well, a misuse of time/cash resources - you may hit gold with some sites but there are smarter ways in my humble opinion to maximise your online impact
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  • Profile picture of the author EndTheTrendNow
    Honestly I think both can go hand and hand. For years now I have had websites that didn't make me money only because I didn't focus on that aspect. I used my websites for reviews and blogging and got free product from manufactures in exchange for reviews I wrote.

    In hindsight, I should have been running some Adsense on the websites at the minimum. Lesson Learned.
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  • Profile picture of the author BlackIrish
    I get your point, and I think the same goes for every business - the higher the barrier to entry, the easier it's going to be for you to start earning or build a following.

    Adsense sites + SEO is probably one of the easiest and most repeated ideas in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Batty
    Nathan,
    I actually get your point..

    And I also agree with dannn1 up above.. you echo my sentiments Dannn1.

    Now I do have websites but I've definitely moved away from worrying about incessant posting, article writing, backlinking, SEO, tricks, plugins and all that stuff.

    After a while. it just seemed like such a ridiculous and indirect way to build an IM business. Too much trading hours and days of time to save a little money.

    So I've generally shifted over to paid, but very inexpensive traffic, and haven't looked back since.
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    • Profile picture of the author retsced
      Originally Posted by Patrick Batty View Post

      Nathan,
      I actually get your point..

      And I also agree with dannn1 up above.. you echo my sentiments Dannn1.

      Now I do have websites but I've definitely moved away from worrying about incessant posting, article writing, backlinking, SEO, tricks, plugins and all that stuff.

      After a while. it just seemed like such a ridiculous and indirect way to build an IM business. Too much trading hours and days of time to save a little money.

      So I've generally shifted over to paid, but very inexpensive traffic, and haven't looked back since.
      That's exactly the approach i have taken Patrick. There are indeed far more productive ways to use your time and earn money. Creating websites to rank for keywords is by far the slowest and least rewarding strategy to making a living online. I know there are some who do this, but only after years of hard work can this pay off substantially.

      IMO it's very VERY important to spend money to make more money. Test advertising strategies, find what works and scale it up. It's actually quite easy if you have money to invest.

      There's just one thing i have a problem with and that's solo ads. I really do not think this is the best way to build a responsive list. It can work very well to build a large list, but there are far better ways to get buyers than people searching for affiliate marketing information. This may sound contradictory as we can "falsely" believe affiliate marketers are the best prospects to go after.

      I think there are far too many people who go online to make money doing affiliate marketing but have no money to invest. I would much rather NOT have thousands of these people on my list. Sure some will buy, but most won't. That's just my opinion and what i have found. I target people who are already successful and have plenty of money to invest in new business opportunities.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMDealBox
    You are right. You CAN make $ without your own websites. Think Youtube/Facebook/Squidoo/Hubpages/Articles/Yahoo Answers...
    Great ways to make money!

    However, having your own website that you grow everyday little by little will make you money later..think long term income.
    I have maybe 20 sites and i am only using 3 regularly. The rest are just dormant!
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