For Goodness Sake.. Check Out The Stuff BEFORE You Promote It!

John Taylor · 03-04-2009, 04:32 AM

I received a promotional email yesterday recommending
"Email Marketing Dynamo" and it looked interesting so I
shelled out a few dollars for master rights thinking that
it might be something that my subscribers would benefit
from.

Boy was I wrong!

It's the worst information product that I've ever seen,
and, believe me, I've seen some real crap in my time.

Anyway, this isn't a product review thread.

I made a blog post about the product and added an
extract in the comments section to illustrate the degree
of "crapness"

It's a heads up, just in case you're ever tempted to take
a short cut and send out a recommendation before you
take time to review the product.

Just imagine what it would have done to my credibility
had I been stupid enough to endorse such a poor quality
product.

Don't cut corners, you may save a few minutes but lose
your reputation.

John

Charles E. White · 03-04-2009, 05:18 AM

Good post John! I always use the product before I promote it, that way you know exactly what you are offering. Not only that, but if it's a software product then you know how to install it too and can help others, if need be.

It amazes me why anyone would promote a product they have never used or tried.

ExRat · 03-04-2009, 05:41 AM

Hi John,

I just went to read your blog and post a comment and accidentally spammed the heck out of your comments.

Could you clear up the mess for me if you get a chance please?

John Taylor · 03-04-2009, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi John,

I just went to read your blog and post a comment and accidentally spammed the heck out of your comments.

Could you clear up the mess for me if you get a chance please?

It wasn't as bad as you think Roger!

I deleted one comment and left you a nice reply.

John

James Schramko · 03-04-2009, 05:48 AM

You are ranking pretty well for the product name in organic search! That should help spread the message.

Eric Land · 03-04-2009, 06:03 AM

Hi John,

I want to say thank you I got the email about internet marketing dynamo as well I also
bookmarked it and named it buy soon. So thank you, you just saved me so money

The only thing im thinking is maybe this ebook was meant for complete newbies and you just know everything in there already.

Once again thank you,

Eric

David_Thompson · 03-04-2009, 06:06 AM

So John it's the worst product for the year hands down then...

I've seen a few people promoting it today...

--David

ExRat · 03-04-2009, 06:10 AM

Hi John,

You're just leaving the 'almost identical' double-post there to humiliate me, after removing the explanation post....aren't you?

I see now that it's the 'comment luv' one. I've only been up for five and a half hours so I guess I need more tea before I can cope with all of your new-fangled plugins...besides, when someone shares a little luv with me it always gets my head in a spin.

Dave Kingston · 03-04-2009, 06:23 AM

I must admit that I to have seen some rubbish promoted lately. The increase in kak is just astonishing over the last 6 months.

I recently culled a lot of my lists to stop receiving every promo under the sun.

People have to start realizing that you promote your reputation as much as a product.

Dave

LonNaylor · 03-04-2009, 08:59 AM

Hmmm...

I own the domain name SickOfAllTheCrap.com but nothing is up there yet...

Should I fire that baby up?

Martin Luxton · 03-04-2009, 09:30 AM

John,

What on earth are you doing? I thought you were a top marketer!

There was you in the post title telling people not to buy so I got my credit card ready and then in the body of the post you told me not to buy.

I'm confused

Martin

JayXtreme · 03-04-2009, 09:41 AM

Hey John..

I read this on your blog yesterday and gave you applause for your honesty... I couldn't find a link to the product anywhere at the time, and a quick google search ensures that anyone looking to invest in this will see your critical assessment

Peace

Jay

Steven Wagenheim · 03-04-2009, 09:45 AM

I will NEVER...repeat NEVER promote a product unless I have looked
at it and thoroughly reviewed it first.

As a matter of fact, here is my typical promotional process for affiliate
products, especially in the IM niche.

1. Get product
2. Read product
3. Review product on my blog
4. Make video review and submit to YouTube.
5. Write articles on niche related to product and send readers to review.

That is the ONLY way I will ever promote an affiliate IM product.

As a result, I promote very few because most of the stuff I get sent is
crap.

John Taylor · 03-04-2009, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

What on earth are you doing? I thought you were a top marketer!

There was you in the post title telling people not to buy so I got my credit card ready and then in the body of the post you told me not to buy.

You know me Martin, I like to take the contrarian view.

John

Steven Wagenheim · 03-04-2009, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonNaylor

Hmmm...

I own the domain name SickOfAllTheCrap.com but nothing is up there yet...

Should I fire that baby up?

Lon, if you do, I have plenty of stuff I can send you to add to it LOL.

Loren Woirhaye · 03-04-2009, 10:13 AM

I actually enjoyed reading the excerpt from the product. Made
me laugh. thanks.

hotlinkz · 03-04-2009, 10:22 AM

John,

Excellent Warrior post on and blog review.

Sounds like someone took one of those mass PLR pieces and slapped it online! It's no wonder the general public looks at IM with cautious eyes.

Made a vow some time ago never to promote a product I have not reviewed.

Have you contacted the seller?

Calvin

Floyd Fisher · 03-04-2009, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonNaylor

Hmmm...

I own the domain name SickOfAllTheCrap.com but nothing is up there yet...

Should I fire that baby up?

Yes! Make it a review site of products to avoid.

Jeremy Kelsall · 03-04-2009, 10:29 AM

Unfortunately,

Not everyone is like John.

I got an email from a list that I trusted last week. We had a bunch of snow and lost power so I used the last bit of battery I had on my laptop and my wireless card to get into my email and buy a product that was recommended and about half way through...I was so pissed off I could hardly stand it.

I'm no this guys list because I bought one of his products which are for the most part intermediate IM products and tools. The product he was pitching me was geared towards someone who had never turned a computer on.

It was seriously the worst $47 I have every spent in my life. Now I no longer trust the list and have unsubscribed.

Thanks for keeping your morals in tact John and not whoring yourself out for a couple of bucks. I'm sure your subscribers appreciate it

John Taylor · 03-04-2009, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye

I actually enjoyed reading the excerpt from the product. Made
me laugh. thanks.

Mmm, it made my eyes hurt!

John

ExRat · 03-04-2009, 12:24 PM

Hi Steven,

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonNaylor

Hmmm...

I own the domain name SickOfAllTheCrap.com but nothing is up there yet...

Should I fire that baby up?

Lon, if you do, I have plenty of stuff I can send you to add to it LOL.

C'mon Steven - you know better than that - you know this place is full of jokers (ahem), just waiting for someone to leave themselves wide open like that so they can step in with a witty retort...

Steven Wagenheim · 03-04-2009, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Steven,

C'mon Steven - you know better than that - you know this place is full of jokers (ahem), just waiting for someone to leave themselves wide open like that so they can step in with a witty retort...

Yeah, but it's just so much fun to watch the slings and arrows come my way.

JayXtreme · 03-04-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Steven,

C'mon Steven - you know better than that - you know this place is full of jokers (ahem), just waiting for someone to leave themselves wide open like that so they can step in with a witty retort...

I soooo wanted to

Peace

Jay

Chris Lockwood · 03-04-2009, 01:53 PM

Is it possible the person John bought it from actually did look at it and liked it?

John Taylor · 03-04-2009, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood

Is it possible the person John bought it from actually did look at it and liked it?

Chris,

If anyone that looks at it likes it, I'll
publish a picture of me wearing a kilt!

John

Chris Lockwood · 03-04-2009, 07:08 PM

Shouldn't every product have at least one product who thinks it's decent?

Chris Reeves · 03-04-2009, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Taylor

Chris,

If anyone that looks at it likes it, I'll
publish a picture of me wearing a kilt!

John

I liked it! lol, just kidding. But for something that cheap (being sold for $6) I wouldn't expect it to be great.

Glad to hear that some list owners actually pay attention to what they promote...I've seen some hideous products promoted to my inbox. Needless to say I'm no longer on those lists

Regards,

Chris

Kunle Olomofe · 03-19-2009, 06:43 AM

ROTFL! John, please, you're cracking me up! LOL... "crapness" and "ghost" not even a "writer", and "does that make sense to you?" ... Oh lord, I haven't laughed like this in a long long time. Thanks man. Great looking out.

Kunle

PS: We need more reviews like this on the web. Way more!
PPS: Posted this on your blog too, just have to let you know this kind of straight talking review is appreciated 110%.

EndGame · 03-19-2009, 09:56 AM

Solid advice, but so rarely followed in the Internet Marketing World.

pluto1 · 03-19-2009, 10:07 AM

Good pointers. I doubt though anyone cares about actually using or reading (read research) about it. First step is to just jump in, and start blogging about it. Thanks for the heads up!

03-04-2009, 04:32 AM	#1
John Taylor Recovering Millionaire War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Langholm, Scotland, United Kingdom. Posts: 10,049 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 1,213 Thanked 2,450 Times in 637 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	For Goodness Sake.. Check Out The Stuff BEFORE You Promote It! I received a promotional email yesterday recommending "Email Marketing Dynamo" and it looked interesting so I shelled out a few dollars for master rights thinking that it might be something that my subscribers would benefit from. Boy was I wrong! It's the worst information product that I've ever seen, and, believe me, I've seen some real crap in my time. Anyway, this isn't a product review thread. I made a blog post about the product and added an extract in the comments section to illustrate the degree of "crapness" It's a heads up, just in case you're ever tempted to take a short cut and send out a recommendation before you take time to review the product. Just imagine what it would have done to my credibility had I been stupid enough to endorse such a poor quality product. Don't cut corners, you may save a few minutes but lose your reputation. John
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Charles E. White Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: , , USA. Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 100 Thanked 121 Times in 64 Posts Social Networking	Re: For Goodness Sake.. Check Out The Stuff BEFORE You Promote It! Good post John! I always use the product before I promote it, that way you know exactly what you are offering. Not only that, but if it's a software product then you know how to install it too and can help others, if need be. It amazes me why anyone would promote a product they have never used or tried.
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Dave Kingston HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 207 Thanks: 35 Thanked 29 Times in 25 Posts	Re: For Goodness Sake.. Check Out The Stuff BEFORE You Promote It! I must admit that I to have seen some rubbish promoted lately. The increase in kak is just astonishing over the last 6 months. I recently culled a lot of my lists to stop receiving every promo under the sun. People have to start realizing that you promote your reputation as much as a product. Dave

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Kunle Olomofe Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lagos, Nigeria. Posts: 690 Blog Entries: 7 Thanks: 121 Thanked 119 Times in 61 Posts Contact Info	Re: For Goodness Sake.. Check Out The Stuff BEFORE You Promote It! ROTFL! John, please, you're cracking me up! LOL... "crapness" and "ghost" not even a "writer", and "does that make sense to you?" ... Oh lord, I haven't laughed like this in a long long time. Thanks man. Great looking out. Kunle PS: We need more reviews like this on the web. Way more! PPS: Posted this on your blog too, just have to let you know this kind of straight talking review is appreciated 110%.

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pluto1 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 201 Thanks: 6 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: For Goodness Sake.. Check Out The Stuff BEFORE You Promote It! Good pointers. I doubt though anyone cares about actually using or reading (read research) about it. First step is to just jump in, and start blogging about it. Thanks for the heads up!