Should my Squeeze Page be Honest or Bull$hit?

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Been working on getting my platform across .. and it seems the more real and honest I project it, the less it sounds like the standard IM B$ spin.

Thoughts?
#bull$hit #honest #page #squeeze
  • Profile picture of the author Drew Cleveland
    I prefer honesty, but people seem to love feeding into bull **** so really its your decision. I have a conscience and understand that people who land on your page are looking for trust worthy information, so i think hypey BS is an abuse of power.
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    • Profile picture of the author prem khaira
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      I would strongly suggest HONEST!

      You want to build healthy relationships with your list...

      You want to gain their trust... your chances of selling them something
      is much better then.

      The first thing i would do when i someone BS me is i would Unsubscribe
      without hesitating


      Honesty goes a long way my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    Thoughts?
    Couldn't remember why you were on my ignore list; but you reminded me very quickly. Troll threads :rolleyes:.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattCatania
    Do you really have to ask whether something you want your potential customers to see should be honest or BS?

    ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS be honest.
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    Logic outweighs all.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Curtis
    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    Been working on getting my platform across .. and it seems the more real and honest I project it, the less it sounds like the standard IM B$ spin.

    Thoughts?
    Dear Social App Zone Person,

    I wasted some of my best erudition on a thread of yours this morning. Wasted because the thread was soon deleted, apparently because someone thought that you had ulterior motives.

    So, here we are again: another banal question from a wildly successful marketer. Odd, no?

    Joe says there is an ignore list. I wasn't aware of that. I always find something helpful when I visit this forum.

    Dan Curtis
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Dan Curtis View Post

      Joe says there is an ignore list. I wasn't aware of that. I always find something helpful when I visit this forum.
      User CP>Settings and Options (Left sidebar)>Edit Ignore List

      Just add the usernames of people you don't want to see. You'll still see when and where they post; but the actual content is hidden from your view.
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    • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
      Originally Posted by Dan Curtis View Post

      Dear Social App Zone Person,

      I wasted some of my best erudition on a thread of yours this morning. Wasted because the thread was soon deleted, apparently because someone thought that you had ulterior motives.

      So, here we are again: another banal question from a wildly successful marketer. Odd, no?

      Joe says there is an ignore list. I wasn't aware of that. I always find something helpful when I visit this forum.

      Dan Curtis
      Best ignore Joe, he is a squeaky wheel.

      Sorry about the thread being deleted, it was an honest question and with good intent.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    How is this not a valid question when the majority of sales pages/squeeze pages I see are straight bs?

    Between warrior forum wsos and click bank salespages there are droves upon droves of people who obviously don't give a crap about honesty. Thing is only your more experienced marketers can usually notice it, not your average newbie or clickbank/amazon consumer.

    So if you want my opinion, make your squeeze page APPEAR honest.
    Heres something else. Just the other day we blew up our facebook with 3,000 "dishonest" likes.

    We put the like button on the top of our landing page, conversions rose significantly. So please don't tell me dishonesty doesn't have its place in marketing. Does that mean your entire squeeze page should be bs? Absolutely not. Can exagerating the truth about certain things increase ROI?

    Obviously. Problem is when you do it too much, your refund rates will skyrocket. So I say its more about balance and reaching a certain gray area than hanging on one individual side of the fence.

    I also don't understand why marketers need to react so sensitively to such a simple question. Guess it takes a certain type of person to have an open mind, idk. Nor do I really care.
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      How is this not a valid question when the majority of sales pages/squeeze pages I see are straight bs?

      Between warrior forum wsos and click bank salespages there are droves upon droves of people who obviously don't give a crap about honesty. Thing is only your more experienced marketers can usually notice it, not your average newbie or clickbank/amazon consumer.

      So if you want my opinion, make your squeeze page APPEAR honest.
      Heres something else. Just the other day we blew up our facebook with 3,000 "dishonest" likes.

      We put the like button on the top of our landing page, conversions rose significantly. So please don't tell me dishonesty doesn't have its place in marketing. Does that mean your entire squeeze page should be bs? Absolutely not. Can exagerating the truth about certain things increase ROI?

      Obviously. Problem is when you do it too much, your refund rates will skyrocket. So I say its more about balance and reaching a certain gray area than hanging on one individual side of the fence.

      I also don't understand why marketers need to react so sensitively to such a simple question. Guess it takes a certain type of person to have an open mind, idk. Nor do I really care.
      There is never a place for dishonesty. Just because droves of people do it doesn't make it right. Remind me never to purchase anything from you because now I'm not sure if I'll be scammed or not!

      The problem is not when you do too much. The problem is when YOU DO IT AT ALL! There is a big difference between exagerating and flat out bsing.

      If you lie to people and fill them full of crap, it will come back to bite you in the butt one day!
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      • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
        Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

        There is never a place for dishonesty. Just because droves of people do it doesn't make it right. Remind me never to purchase anything from you because now I'm not sure if I'll be scammed or not!

        The problem is not when you do too much. The problem is when YOU DO IT AT ALL! There is a big difference between exagerating and flat out bsing.

        If you lie to people and fill them full of crap, it will come back to bite you in the butt one day!
        This sounds too much like when my mom told me to just be nice to girls if I wanted a date.
        So I went on a date and was nice to the girl and she turned out to be a cheating whore.
        Or like the time she told me to just be honest to people and I got fired from my job for telling customers PetSmart had an outbreak that was making all their animals sick.

        How would honesty fit if doctors told their patients that drugs like prednisone are known to cause diabetes?
        Or the millions of other drugs they prescribe that are linked to side effects so horrible they will never put that garbage in their pamphlets.

        How would honesty fit if the car salesmen told you the car you just bought broke down 3 times prior to you buying it?

        How would honesty fit if Burger King told all their customers that their food is the worse possible crap you can put in your body?

        I'm not telling people to go around scamming everyone. What I'm saying is in the REAL WORLD, we are surrounded by liars. So its best you at least have some common sense about how to do it PROPERLY.

        I don't expect any of you marketers to agree with this, *especially people who are DIRECTLY marketing to others on this forum. But because I don't rely on warrior forum for business, I can actually speak my mind and talk about how the real world really is. There are people who already posted in this thread reacting negatively to lying, when I know for a fact a salespage they just wrote not too long ago has lies in it.

        I'm definitely not going to the extent of calling these people out. I know if I did they would find some fancy word from the dictionary called "fiction", then try to tell me thats not lying to people. Even though it was a salespage and not a book and they tried to flaunt it off like a real story. All I will say is I'm far more skeptical of an "honest" person telling me they never lie, rather than a "liar" telling me they have lied before. Think about it.

        -Red
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

          I don't expect any of you marketers to agree with this, *especially people who are DIRECTLY marketing to others on this forum. But because I don't rely on warrior forum for business, I can actually speak my mind and talk about how the real world really is.
          Are you saying that if you DID rely on the Warrior Forum for business, you would... lie?

          So, for example, if you intended to directly market to the people on this forum... under the pretense that you are telling the truth when nobody else does... you would claim that you weren't going to do that, right? Which in turn would explain why you claimed to be telling the truth? Even though, since you did intend to market directly to the forum, you were not?

          Just a speculation, you understand. Purely hypothetical.
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        • Profile picture of the author scrofford
          Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

          This sounds too much like when my mom told me to just be nice to girls if I wanted a date.
          So I went on a date and was nice to the girl and she turned out to be a cheating whore.
          Or like the time she told me to just be honest to people and I got fired from my job for telling customers PetSmart had an outbreak that was making all their animals sick.

          How would honesty fit if doctors told their patients that drugs like prednisone are known to cause diabetes?
          Or the millions of other drugs they prescribe that are linked to side effects so horrible they will never put that garbage in their pamphlets.

          How would honesty fit if the car salesmen told you the car you just bought broke down 3 times prior to you buying it?

          How would honesty fit if Burger King told all their customers that their food is the worse possible crap you can put in your body?

          I'm not telling people to go around scamming everyone. What I'm saying is in the REAL WORLD, we are surrounded by liars. So its best you at least have some common sense about how to do it PROPERLY.

          I don't expect any of you marketers to agree with this, *especially people who are DIRECTLY marketing to others on this forum. But because I don't rely on warrior forum for business, I can actually speak my mind and talk about how the real world really is. There are people who already posted in this thread reacting negatively to lying, when I know for a fact a salespage they just wrote not too long ago has lies in it.

          I'm definitely not going to the extent of calling these people out. I know if I did they would find some fancy word from the dictionary called "fiction", then try to tell me thats not lying to people. Even though it was a salespage and not a book and they tried to flaunt it off like a real story. All I will say is I'm far more skeptical of an "honest" person telling me they never lie, rather than a "liar" telling me they have lied before. Think about it.

          -Red
          The world would be a better place and scammers would go out of business Red...

          All we have to do is worry about ourselves and take responsibility for our own actions. I could care less if the whole world is being dishonest. Sooner or later it's going to go wrong from them.

          Lying is lying. Dishonesty is dishonesty. I've thought about it and know that it's not the right road to go down. I've seen way to many people crash and burn because of their bs lies.

          And BTW I speak my mind here too. So quit filling us full of sunshine by saying that it's ok to bs and lie just because suzie or bobby or johnny down the street does it! It's NOT ok, and sooner or later you'll go down for it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
            Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

            The world would be a better place and scammers would go out of business Red...

            All we have to do is worry about ourselves and take responsibility for our own actions. I could care less if the whole world is being dishonest. Sooner or later it's going to go wrong from them.

            Lying is lying. Dishonesty is dishonesty. I've thought about it and know that it's not the right road to go down. I've seen way to many people crash and burn because of their bs lies.

            And BTW I speak my mind here too. So quit filling us full of sunshine by saying that it's ok to bs and lie just because suzie or bobby or johnny down the street does it! It's NOT ok, and sooner or later you'll go down for it.
            No disrespect there, but it sounds more like Church morals than a good hard ruthless approach to business and getting ahead.

            It's success and money that will look after you and your family/objectives .. not the church/state or your moralistic upbringing
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

              it sounds more like Church morals than a good hard ruthless approach to business and getting ahead.
              Some people aren't willing to leave the church morals behind for the sake of getting ahead. This is undoubtedly because they are stupid, and not because you are a dick.
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            • Profile picture of the author scrofford
              Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

              No disrespect there, but it sounds more like Church morals than a good hard ruthless approach to business and getting ahead.

              It's success and money that will look after you and your family/objectives .. not the church/state or your moralistic upbringing
              Church morals? Nothing wrong with good "church" morals as you put it! Honesty and integrity will always take you farther than dishonesty and being slime.
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              • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
                Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

                But telling them that their imaginary friends in the sky need money is a sin?
                Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

                So $5, a free haircut and the entire Cradle of Filth Collection?
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                Your family reunions must fly by...
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                honesty is perception .. ask any flying drone


                Folks, why are you bothering to respond to an obvious troll? The guy started a controversial thread topic because he wants to antagonize the forum and insult members. The good news is this: I GUARAN-****-ING-TEE he is not successful in the least, considering he is a liar and a scammer who has nothing better to do than start Troll threads. It's just...pathetic.
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                • Profile picture of the author Cali16
                  Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

                  Folks, why are you bothering to respond to an obvious troll?
                  I understand what you are saying, however, some valuable comments about the importance of honesty in business have been made in this thread. I also think that threads like this can provide other valuable lessons.

                  I certainly don't presume anyone will change the OP's viewpoint, but others may benefit from the discussion - at least that's the hope. I also don't know if I would put him in the "troll" category; rather, just in the "annoying and irritating" category. (I'm not familiar with his other posts / threads - perhaps he is a troll who's lasted longer than most...)
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  • Profile picture of the author KickinConcepts
    I prefer honesty, But I know of some people who claim complete BS in their pages and still convert great... but I believe in karma soo.... I'm steering clear of that
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    Been working on getting my platform across .. and it seems the more real and honest I project it, the less it sounds like the standard IM B$ spin.

    Thoughts?
    Why would you ask such a question? Honesty is always the way to go! If you start out bsing, you will eventually be found out and lose all credibility!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    what people want or say they like and what they respond to are often times very different.

    We all want the truth, but people in the IM niche just don't respond well to the truth without it being at best very hyped up and at worst... near complete BS.

    The amount of skill and effort it really takes to make it big online is just not something most want to hear, let alone be willing to pay for...lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      what people want or say they like and what they respond to are often times very different.

      We all want the truth, but people in the IM niche just don't respond well to the truth without it being at best very hyped up and at worst... near complete BS.

      The amount of skill and effort it really takes to make it big online is just not something most want to hear, let alone be willing to pay for...lol
      Indeed.. better the Devil you know
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    • Profile picture of the author JEasy
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post


      We all want the truth
      Nope...The one thing people in this world absolutely DO NOT WANT...is the truth. Smart marketers are well aware of this and act on it. This is why everyone always feels cheated in some way. They bought into the bs that a really smart marketer knows they want to here.

      Unfortunately, it's perfectly the right of that marketer to sell people lies. This is why products like "Make $2,436.17 in 2 days by pressing three buttons" sell like hotcakes.

      I know I've fallen for it a few times.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Keith
        Originally Posted by JEasy View Post

        Nope...The one thing people in this world absolutely DO NOT WANT...is the truth. Smart marketers are well aware of this and act on it. This is why everyone always feels cheated in some way. They bought into the bs that a really smart marketer knows they want to here.

        Unfortunately, it's perfectly the right of that marketer to sell people lies. This is why products like "Make $2,436.17 in 2 days by pressing three buttons" sell like hotcakes.

        I know I've fallen for it a few times.
        did you read the rest of that post or just chose to take the words completely out of context on purpose.

        its also not the right of any marketer to lie to others. The ftc does frown on that a good bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    Been working on getting my platform across .. and it seems the more real and honest I project it, the less it sounds like the standard IM B$ spin.
    Do you want to sell people bullsh!t?

    Is that the business you want to be in?

    Is it okay because other people are in that business?

    Are those the people you want to be in business with?

    Plenty of people answer "yes, because that's where the money is" all the way down the line.

    And you can't knock a man's hustle. If that's what they want to do and that's who they want to be, hey, they get to make their own choices.

    Just like you do. Just like I do. They can't make you choose what they chose. Neither can I. And I don't want to... I want you to make your own choice for your own reasons.

    Freedom is good. Be free.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    The answer to this issue lies within. How would you answer the following question...

    Are you looking to make a quick-buck, get in get out, and reap whatever profit that you can; or do you wish to build a relationship with your buyers to build trust so that they keep buying from you over, and over, and over again?

    Basically if your looking for the quick buck, to get in and get out quickly while taking whatever profits you possibly can from your product--than bull**** your way to the bank and hope the FTC doesn't come sniffing.

    If you want to build a reputable business that will exist in five years--than go the honest route. You'll forgo those "quick bolstering" profits for a more solid audience that will not only be there in five years but will grow along with you.

    I think that explains it very nicely.
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    • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
      Originally Posted by coolag View Post

      I think you should be honest.. It's the only thing that works long term
      Why do you feel this way?
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      • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
        Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

        Why do you feel this way?
        Because its true?

        Bull**** only works for a very short time. It's like a person who lies about everything. Eventually they will simply bull**** themselves into a corner they can't get out of. It's inevitable. An honest approach translates into a stable and lucrative long-term business by default.
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        • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
          Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

          Because its true?

          Bull**** only works for a very short time. It's like a person who lies about everything. Eventually they will simply bull**** themselves into a corner they can't get out of. It's inevitable. An honest approach translates into a stable and lucrative long-term business by default.
          but moral responsibility surely does not equal profit ?
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          • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
            Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

            but moral responsibility surely does not equal profit ?
            And what stats do you have to prove that theory?

            Long term businesses are built on trust. Period. Doesn't matter if your selling pizza down the road or selling a $497 make money online product.

            Like I said. Are you seeking quick profits that allow you to jump in and get out while reaping the rewards of an over-hyped bull**** style letter? What happens if the FTC comes sniffing? Have you thought of that? Where will all those short-term profits go? To lawyers.

            I'm not trying to dissuade you from personally doing anything with your business. But to think that doing a "morally right" think is going to hinder your profits is a very ignorant idea.

            Sure, your profits might seem small now, but you'll still be in business in five years living the life you always wanted. Why? Because you earned the trust of the market and they will look no further than you for a product.

            It's a simple concept really.
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            • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
              Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

              And what stats do you have to prove that theory?

              Long term businesses are built on trust. Period. Doesn't matter if your selling pizza down the road or selling a $497 make money online product.

              Like I said. Are you seeking quick profits that allow you to jump in and get out while reaping the rewards of an over-hyped bull**** style letter? What happens if the FTC comes sniffing? Have you thought of that? Where will all those short-term profits go? To lawyers.

              I'm not trying to dissuade you from personally doing anything with your business. But to think that doing a "morally right" think is going to hinder your profits is a very ignorant idea.

              Sure, your profits might seem small now, but you'll still be in business in five years living the life you always wanted. Why? Because you earned the trust of the market and they will look no further than you for a product.

              It's a simple concept really.
              Seems successful business is built on corruption, lawyers and an artful interpretation of the taxation/consumer/patent laws.

              Do you suggest we all live in a happy hippy medium until we become evilly successful ?
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              • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
                Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

                Seems successful business is built on corruption, lawyers and an artful interpretation of the taxation/consumer/patent laws.

                Do you suggest we all live in a happy hippy medium until we become evilly successful ?
                Um, what?

                Who ever said you had to be evil to be successful? Like I said. Deception can only run its course for so long. Eventually the deception with paint the bull ****ter into a corner he or she cannot escape.

                If that is what you are calling a business than you are not running a business. You are running a scam. And to think that a high school response like "well everyone is doing it!" satisfactorily can remove your guilt from bull****ting your way to success--it will for only so long.

                Good-honest people can run good-honest businesses and still laugh all the way to the bank. The difference between them and the deception tricksters? They laugh to the bank for a lot longer period of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    I heard a term called candy vegetables and it sounds like it is the answer to your question. Find the best way of putting your content in a way that is more attractive to the public. If you make it too honest with no flash appeal then it will not excite people enough. If its too hypey then people will be disappointed and feel like they were tricked. The best combo is when you have the hype with the truth to arouse excitement met with satisfaction.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Yeh see when morals come into play this is when the discussion gets very slippery.

    I believe you can lie to people and still have morals. But if people are going to open up that can of worms (morals) I think its time to leave the thread now. =]
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    I am not for bs by any means. But it does work ok in evergreen niches with high turnover rates. Hum...that almost perfectly describes the IM niche. Mlm's have used borderline bs for many decades with fair success for the guys near the top doing the selling and convincing others that there is money in their "business"

    But long term and high ticket / high profit sales requires honesty.
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  • Profile picture of the author idoitbigtime
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    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    Been working on getting my platform across .. and it seems the more real and honest I project it, the less it sounds like the standard IM B$ spin.

    Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
    I think we would all sell our Grandmother to the Japanese as Low-Carb dolphin sushi.

    This moral, do-good Bull$hit is just a cover for what we really want..

    "COLD HARD CASH SO WE CAN LIVE LIKE ROCK-STARS"

    carry on the moral majority
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

      This moral, do-good Bull is just a cover for what we really want..

      "COLD HARD CASH SO WE CAN LIVE LIKE ROCK-STARS"
      You know, pretty much everyone in this thread has said that using BS on your sales page is wrong.

      Except me. I said make your own decision and your own choice.

      So you called me a hippy and said to get back to my cage, and now here you are claiming that nobody else means what they're saying.

      Obviously, you have no intention of listening to anyone who doesn't tell you to go ahead and bullsh!t everyone. So how's about you have a nice big cup of shut the hell up and just go peddle your bullsh!t now?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aswad
    Be honest, man.. I know marketers like to hype things, but not necessarily being dishonest. You can hype up but beware, give them choice. Dont throw bulls***.

    Anyway Honest is best for your long term business.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    So since your so gung-ho on approaching your squeeze letter in a less-honest, or deceptive way, is it safe to assume that the line in your sig about you making $25k PASSIVE income per month is total bull****?
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    • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
      Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

      So since your so gung-ho on approaching your squeeze letter in a less-honest, or deceptive way, is it safe to assume that the line in your sig about you making $25k PASSIVE income per month is total bull****?
      No .. that part is true, But I am not from an IM background ..so shifting through the **** if you may to see if there is anything real in the IM world
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      • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
        Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

        No .. that part is true, But I am not from an IM background ..so shifting through the **** if you may to see if there is anything real in the IM world
        So how would you explain the headline on your linked site?

        "Start Making $10,000+ Passive Income Per Month Building Social Apps on Facebook!"

        Woohoo! 10k a month? Dayum sign me up!

        You say that your searching for "anything real in the IM world" yet your own headline is clearly using hyped up bull**** tactics.

        In your OP you argue that your writing a squeeze page from a more honest point of view and then claim that it sounds less like standard bull**** spin. That's good. It supposed to!

        In an even stranger twist of the story you then all of a sudden jump on the corruption, deception, and bull**** bandwagon like its the only way to make money online.

        At this point this is what I've come up with.

        You are saying that bull****ting the customer is the only way to reach success (from your various posts discussing this with other members) and at the same time you are saying that you are NOT using these techniques in your sales page linked in your sig.

        To summarize, it would appear that your saying that corruption and deception is what a successful business is built on, and then doing an about-face regarding that idea when your questioned about your own marketing tactics in your sig line.

        Should we just stop feeding the troll or do you really have a point to all this?
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        • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
          Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

          So how would you explain the headline on your linked site?

          "Start Making $10,000+ Passive Income Per Month Building Social Apps on Facebook!"

          Woohoo! 10k a month? Dayum sign me up!

          You say that your searching for "anything real in the IM world" yet your own headline is clearly using hyped up bull**** tactics.

          In your OP you argue that your writing a squeeze page from a more honest point of view and then claim that it sounds less like standard bull**** spin. That's good. It supposed to!

          In an even stranger twist of the story you then all of a sudden jump on the corruption, deception, and bull**** bandwagon like its the only way to make money online.

          At this point this is what I've come up with.

          You are saying that bull****ting the customer is the only way to reach success (from your various posts discussing this with other members) and at the same time you are saying that you are NOT using these techniques in your sales page linked in your sig.

          To summarize, it would appear that your saying that corruption and deception is what a successful business is built on, and then doing an about-face regarding that idea when your questioned about your own marketing tactics in your sig line.

          Should we just stop feeding the troll or do you really have a point to all this?
          How deep does the rabbit hole go?
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          • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
            Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

            How deep does the rabbit hole go?
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  • Profile picture of the author hehejo
    Split test.

    You won't really know which one works better until you try both and compare.

    And don't take it too far with the bull****ting, remember there are things like FTC around. Keep it legal and you will be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author sammib01
    It is not the dishonesty that counts. It is sincerity, excitement and emotion. If you can project your message so that people feel they are there and FEEL with you they will believe you and buy your stuff.

    I mean think about it... If you are talking to your friends or family members and telling a story do they say... " you are full of sh... and should stop" do they walk away? No. It is important to make people feel and experience what you are saying. Get your message, feelings and excitement across. Bring people into your world when you talk to them.

    But above all... "Tell the truth" Any Business you do is worth doing honestly. Make people WANT to come back to you for more, because they like you, believe you and trust you.

    I have learned if people are successful because of something I give them, tell them or sell to them even if the success is small (say 100-200 Dollars a month) they will love me for it. They will realize if they can get 10 or 20 more things like this or something bigger..."from you" they can become successful. That to me is the secret.

    So be honest, get you point across with conviction and give them quality products and services that truely help them and you will succeed. As Zig Ziglar sayes "you can get everything in life you want if you just help enough other people get what they want"

    Hope this helps...
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    Cut the crap and lets get to the real straight talk here.

    Bull**** sells. It's as simple as that. If everyone in marketing was honest our economy would no bigger than a country in Africa.

    Bull**** sells and it makes money. Money makes the world go round.

    If you have moral issues with selling bull**** then fine don't do it, But don't complain when the guy next to you is peddling bull**** making 10x as much as you do. Money doesn't have morals and if you want to make more money you have to sell bull****.


    Now let me clear something up before I get a triad of angry posts. When I say bull**** I DO NOT mean you should be selling snake oil and scamming people out of their money.

    The bull**** I'm talking about is the idea of selling a dream.

    For example look at the AXE body spray commercials. They sell a dream to young dumb kids that if they use their product girls will be all over them. Is it bull****? Yea it is. Does it mean the product is snake oil and is scamming people? No. The product works just like any other body spray. The only difference is AXE is better at selling to the younger kids emotions and dreams.

    Nobody who is successful sells their product based on features. They sell based on benefits. They paint an image in the customers head and get them to imagine their lives being a little big better or easier by using their product.

    Bull**** all you want on selling those dreams and you will be a winner.

    Oh and before anyone disagrees with me, just think about all the bull**** you fall victim to everyday from the stuff you buy off the television.
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    • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      Cut the crap and lets get to the real straight talk here.

      Bull**** sells. It's as simple as that. If everyone in marketing was honest our economy would no bigger than a country in Africa.

      Bull**** sells and it makes money. Money makes the world go round.

      If you have moral issues with selling bull**** then fine don't do it, But don't complain when the guy next to you is peddling bull**** making 10x as much as you do. Money doesn't have morals and if you want to make more money you have to sell bull****.


      Now let me clear something up before I get a triad of angry posts. When I say bull**** I DO NOT mean you should be selling snake oil and scamming people out of their money.

      The bull**** I'm talking about is the idea of selling a dream.

      For example look at the AXE body spray commercials. They sell a dream to young dumb kids that if they use their product girls will be all over them. Is it bull****? Yea it is. Does it mean the product is snake oil and is scamming people? No. The product works just like any other body spray. The only difference is AXE is better at selling to the younger kids emotions and dreams.

      Nobody who is successful sells their product based on features. They sell based on benefits. They paint an image in the customers head and get them to imagine their lives being a little big better or easier by using their product.

      Bull**** all you want on selling those dreams and you will be a winner.

      Oh and before anyone disagrees with me, just think about all the bull**** you fall victim to everyday from the stuff you buy off the television.
      and there it is ....
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    • Profile picture of the author sammib01
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      Cut the crap and lets get to the real straight talk here.

      Bull**** sells. It's as simple as that. If everyone in marketing was honest our economy would no bigger than a country in Africa.

      Bull**** sells and it makes money. Money makes the world go round.

      If you have moral issues with selling bull**** then fine don't do it, But don't complain when the guy next to you is peddling bull**** making 10x as much as you do. Money doesn't have morals and if you want to make more money you have to sell bull****.


      Now let me clear something up before I get a triad of angry posts. When I say bull**** I DO NOT mean you should be selling snake oil and scamming people out of their money.

      The bull**** I'm talking about is the idea of selling a dream.

      For example look at the AXE body spray commercials. They sell a dream to young dumb kids that if they use their product girls will be all over them. Is it bull****? Yea it is. Does it mean the product is snake oil and is scamming people? No. The product works just like any other body spray. The only difference is AXE is better at selling to the younger kids emotions and dreams.

      Nobody who is successful sells their product based on features. They sell based on benefits. They paint an image in the customers head and get them to imagine their lives being a little big better or easier by using their product.

      Bull**** all you want on selling those dreams and you will be a winner.

      Oh and before anyone disagrees with me, just think about all the bull**** you fall victim to everyday from the stuff you buy off the television.
      First of all if you think using Axe will get you all the girls, I have tried ist and it must work slowly. And I love snake oil. No just joking. You are right, but it is entertainment, adventure and as I said before, telling the story. Noone in their right mind would believe Axe will get them girls... OK, so they get 30-40% of the men, who really are not in their right mind... But that is another story.

      Make it interesting and exciting... Axe never comes out and sayes you get all the girls... OK they imply. Boring is not going to work. Tell a story and think of winning the Oscar for it, but... Still be honest.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      Bull**** sells. It's as simple as that.
      Nobody is saying bull**** doesn't sell. Just that you don't have to sell it. You get to decide all by yourself whether you want to sell bull****. And if you decide you'd like to sell bull**** because it will make you more money, you go right ahead.

      Because guys like me just love being able to walk up to anyone at random and say "hey, are you tired of people selling you bull****?!" and they go "OH HELL YES I AM SO GODDAMN SICK OF THAT LET ME TELL YOU BOY HOWDY."

      But that wouldn't work if people weren't always selling bull****.
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      • Profile picture of the author sammib01
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Nobody is saying bull**** doesn't sell. Just that you don't have to sell it. You get to decide all by yourself whether you want to sell bull****. And if you decide you'd like to sell bull**** because it will make you more money, you go right ahead.

        Because guys like me just love being able to walk up to anyone at random and say "hey, are you tired of people selling you bull****?!" and they go "OH HELL YES I AM SO GODDAMN SICK OF THAT LET ME TELL YOU BOY HOWDY."

        But that wouldn't work if people weren't always selling bull****.
        100% D'accord
        People who sale the bull**** make it easier for me and you to make money honestly.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingdynasty
    Honesty is the key to any ethical business. If you are giving out bull$hit in your business - you can not expect your business to stand the test of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Well, mostly, I'd like you to shut up.

    But I can't make you do that, so I'll just stop paying any attention to you, which is almost as good.
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    • Profile picture of the author sammib01
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Well, mostly, I'd like you to shut up.

      But I can't make you do that, so I'll just stop paying any attention to you, which is almost as good.
      You so funny...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyke
    Whether you go the honesty or BS routes is one thing, but what can't be denied is your fine taste in videos. I mean, Cradle Of Fiilth and "Fawlty Towers" in one thread - you've got to love that!
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  • Profile picture of the author Challendge
    Different strokes for different folks. And it's all relative. If you're trying to make a quick buck and then disappear for a while and you can accept lying then do it. Hey, in the end, the buyer should do a bit more research about you than just your sales page or it's his mistake.
    If you're in it for the long haul, be as honest as possible because people will stick around and will build a relationship of trust with you without ever having met you. Now that's powerful!
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    How about taking the middle way : use honesty and make a WOW effect about it without lying?
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Honesty is the only policy. If you think everyone in business is a liar and a scum, then you don't get out much or you're talking to the wrong people.

    That said, you seem like a liar, so go with lying. Good luck with it too
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  • Profile picture of the author MagLyn
    I prefer to be honest. If you come across as honest and sincere, your customers will trust you and buy your products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Go4DBest
    You want to be dishonest?

    Well, payday may not be today but you will surely have to face it one day.
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  • Profile picture of the author romanos8
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    being honest is the best way to do things you gain there trust easier and being honest is what I think is best hope you do to
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  • Profile picture of the author Flippmate
    Millions of people buy bull**** they love it!
    Millions of people also like honesty, they love that too!
    If your honesty and dishonesty has to do with making money then you simply have to adjust to that product, basically because it might be a product that will go out of style in a few months and really is plain bull**** but people want it!
    It's like those rubber armbands that give you balance and power in live, they only cost $49 each! Pleeeease $49 for a rubber armband will not make your life better but everyone bought one although we all know that it's bull****.
    But if you were to sell those armbands and tell everyone that they are just silicone good for nothings, then you can't expect them to be a craze.
    At the same time these BS items come and go fast.

    However if you have a real product and you are honest then you might not be a superstar overnight but in the longrun you might be able to actually help someone and earn more on upsales.

    So if that niche wants BS and they really know it is but no harm is done then that's fine in my opinion.
    But if you want to make it on the internet then be honest, simple!
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by Flippmate View Post

      Millions of people buy bull**** they love it!
      Speaking of bull****. No one "loves" BS. What they love is the dream / hope / excitement that it falsely promises.

      To the OP: It's abundantly clear by your attitude and your responses in this thread that you didn't want an answer to your initial question. Rather, you just wanted people to support your belief that being dishonest and selling BS is perfectly fine. You were quick to diss, argue with, or insult anyone who dared disagree with that belief.

      Sure, people make all sorts of money by being dishonest, grossly over-hyping their product, and flat out conning people. But many people also build long-term, highly successful, lucrative businesses with solid integrity and honesty. Personally, I'd rather do business with the latter (and I'm pretty sure you would too).

      Just be aware, however, that many Warriors have long memories. You are building a reputation here, and this thread is doing nothing but damaging yours.
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