14 Free Traffic Strategies for 2012 that DON’T Depend on Google

by Joe Mobley 247 replies
While not totally a non-Google approach to traffic, this is a good solid article about getting more visitors to your site.

In addition, the posts starts with a look at his own sites numbers.

http://www.stevescottsite.com/free-t...trategies-2012

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hersh
    Pretty much the same old stuff. He's just presenting the content in a different way.

    While I do work with non Google traffic, this list is pretty much useless in my opinion.

    Thanks anyway for posting this, maybe some newbies can get good ideas from this list :-)

    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Mike,

      Hopefully you're not as condescending to your clients and potential clients as you are in your posts.

      Oh... and you're getting ~23,000 hits per month at your site?

      Joe Mobley


      Originally Posted by Mike Hersh View Post

      Pretty much the same old stuff. He's just presenting the content in a different way.

      While I do work with non Google traffic, this list is pretty much useless in my opinion.

      Thanks anyway for posting this, maybe some newbies can get good ideas from this list :-)

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author pandiyan
        Pinterest, video marketing, hosting webinars, social media marketing are the traffic strategies for 2012...
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
          You bring up some good points. There were some additional recommendations in the comments to the post.

          Joe Mobley


          Originally Posted by pandiyan View Post

          Pinterest, video marketing, hosting webinars, social media marketing are the traffic strategies for 2012...
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        you're getting ~23,000 hits per month at your site?

        Joe Mobley

        I generally get 40,000 per month on one site and 10,000 per month on another site...

        Yet, there was some good stuff and some new stuff on this list.

        Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
          Bill,

          If you're getting 40K and 10K hits per month, you obviously know a thing or two about traffic.

          Care to share a couple of pointers? What's getting you the most traffic? What changes are you seeing? What method has surprised you? Anything that might be helpful.

          Thanks,

          Joe Mobley

          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I generally get 40,000 per month on one site and 10,000 per month on another site...

          Yet, there was some good stuff and some new stuff on this list.

          Thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author bibs
            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Bill,

            If you're getting 40K and 10K hits per month, you obviously know a thing or two about traffic.

            Care to share a couple of pointers? What's getting you the most traffic? What changes are you seeing? What method has surprised you? Anything that might be helpful.

            Thanks,

            Joe Mobley
            Would like to know this too.
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              It's not the amount of traffic that matters, it's conversions. Nearly all of my traffic comes from article syndication in ezines, blogs/websites and offline publications. This results in an average 42,000 sales per day over all of my niches. It's a simple marketing model that can be scaled up to exceed any other method I know.
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              • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
                Dang Paul! I'm gon'na have to go back and look at some of your posts.

                Is article syndication still performing for you?

                Gold here -> and offline publications.

                Thanks,

                Joe Mobley


                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                It's not the amount of traffic that matters, it's conversions. Nearly all of my traffic comes from article syndication in ezines, blogs/websites and offline publications. This results in an average 42,000 sales per day over all of my niches. It's a simple marketing model that can be scaled up to exceed any other method I know.
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                • Profile picture of the author myob
                  Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                  Is article syndication still performing for you?
                  Oh yeah; big time, with record-breaking sales every year over the last 15 years. It's based on a very powerful, but old-fashioned marketing concept which seems to have been lost here in recent years. An excellent timeless classic describing this marketing model, which I have often recommended is Turn Words Into Traffic.

                  "Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing."
                  - Benjamin Franklin
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                  • Profile picture of the author mizambar
                    Originally Posted by myob View Post

                    Oh yeah; big time, with record-breaking sales every year over the last 15 years. It's based on a very powerful, but old-fashioned marketing concept which seems to have been lost here in recent years. An excellent timeless classic describing this marketing model, which I have often recommended is Turn Words Into Traffic.

                    "Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing."
                    - Benjamin Franklin
                    Definitely agree here! The stuff that Jim Edwards puts out was really helpful when I first got started back in 2004 - Especially his stuff about creating great content that leverages your time.
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              • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                It's not the amount of traffic that matters, it's conversions. Nearly all of my traffic comes from article syndication in ezines, blogs/websites and offline publications. This results in an average 42,000 sales per day over all of my niches. It's a simple marketing model that can be scaled up to exceed any other method I know.
                Flag on the play.....
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                • Profile picture of the author Martin Percival
                  It's definitely true that Steve's post will help newbies enormously, but we all need a reminder to diversify now and again.

                  Not only that, but while principles stay the same, specifics change on a daily basis. A post like Steve's collects all the latest knowledge in a handy-dandy knowledge bomb.
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              • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                This results in an average 42,000 sales per day over all of my niches.
                But how much are you missing by not teaming with up an attorney to address legal issues and those related benefits from certain products?

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              • Originally Posted by myob View Post

                It's not the amount of traffic that matters, it's conversions. Nearly all of my traffic comes from article syndication in ezines, blogs/websites and offline publications. This results in an average 42,000 sales per day over all of my niches. It's a simple marketing model that can be scaled up to exceed any other method I know.
                Very cool. I'd like to hear about your traffic techniques as well.

                Off topic, please tell me the "clearance sale" in your sig file has nothing to do with the Mayan Calendar. :p:p:p:p:p
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                • Profile picture of the author buttonlife
                  Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

                  yeah..I'd like to know how your Article Writing and Blog Posting System copes with all that traffic.

                  The Traffic you would need (off the top of my head) would not be dissimilar to what this Forum gets on a daily basis.

                  If these numbers are anything to go by, 42,000 sales equates to 1,750 sales per hour 24 hours per day straight.

                  Based on 10,000 visits to your website (MINIMUM that you would need) you would have to be consistently converting that traffic at 18% round the clock..
                  (excluding clicks and shopping cart abandonment rates)

                  Congruently, your turnover would also exceed the current TOP Highest paid Chief Executive Officer in America John H Hammergren According Forbes, whose reported earnings of $131,000,000, according to you, he is earning 4 times LESS than you.

                  The guy is seconded in that list only by Raulph Lauren commandeer of the Polo Ralph Lauren Global Clothing Fashion Range Corporation.

                  Your turnover would also exceed the most commercial club in Premier League Football History in Manchester United of £286m (or $449 USD) Owned by the Glazer Family, NET worth as quoted by Forbes as $2.7BN.

                  By your minimum estimate based on 1 sale of $30 ($468m annual turnover) you are earning $19,000,000 dollars per year MORE than Manchester United FC...who have 333 Million Supporters in 24 countries Worldwide.

                  You would also be taking home more than Chelsea (Owned by Russian Billionaire Oil Baron Roman Abramovic) and Tottenham Hotspur (Owned by International Sports & Media Group ENIC) Combined together, inclusive of Off the field royalties and revenue.

                  You will also earn more in the next 12 month's than the personal fortunes of two of the Wealthiest Dragons on the UK version of Dragons Den.

                  You would also be earning more than Clickbank, quoted as making approx $11 per second = $39,600 per hour.. ...your "claimed" 1,750 sales per hour at $30/sale (minimum by your own words) puts your earnings ABOVE Clickbank Toe to Toe by almost $13,000 dollars per Hour ...hour on hour, round the clock 24/7.

                  All this from Article Syndication you say.....

                  If your name is actually Paul Uhl...I don't see any mention of you in Forbes (which you would be)

                  ..you would be THAT famous.
                  I like the amount of examples you have accrued to show the unlikeliness of this possibility. It seems like he will be competing with Carlos Slim if he keeps it up at this rate.
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                • Profile picture of the author myob
                  Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

                  I'd like to hear about your traffic techniques as well.
                  To alleviate further unproductive distractions from this thread, just do a search for "article syndication". I have written extensively regarding this marketing model, as have other professional writers.

                  Off topic, please tell me the "clearance sale" in your sig file has nothing to do with the Mayan Calendar.
                  It has more to do with my retirement date, from a long and extensive marketing career sprinkled throughout with practical jokes.
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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    Agreed. This year, my company will earn nearly 500 million from several dozen affiliate programs and commissions from high end equipment sales. After expenses, net profits are expected be $200 million. This has not been a typical year at all. My sales have been growing at about 30%-40% per year, and sales so far are up from last year by nearly 14-fold.

                    P.S. Hosting websites on free hosting platforms is only being used in this forum to keep away prying, nosey busy-bodies. :rolleyes:
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                    • Profile picture of the author Schmeckel
                      myob said: "This year, my company will earn nearly 500 million from several dozen affiliate programs and commissions"....

                      Wow...I can't even comprehend what the must feel like. I dare say even better then sex!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      Agreed. This year, my company will earn nearly 500 million from several dozen affiliate programs and commissions from high end equipment sales. After expenses, net profits are expected be $200 million. This has not been a typical year at all. My sales have been growing at about 30%-40% per year, and sales so far are up from last year by nearly 14-fold.

                      P.S. Hosting websites on free hosting platforms is only being used in this forum to keep away prying, nosey busy-bodies. :rolleyes:
                      I saw bigfoot yesterday. He led me to a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I am now worth a billion dollars. What can I say, it was a big pot. The leprechaun is pissed though.

                      P.S. Hosting websites on free hosting platforms is only being used in this forum to keep away prying, nosey busy-bodies.
                      Yeah, sure it is, lol. :rolleyes:

                      The really sad thing is there are plenty of people here who will actually believe you.
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                    • Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      Agreed. This year, my company will earn nearly 500 million from several dozen affiliate programs and commissions from high end equipment sales. After expenses, net profits are expected be $200 million. This has not been a typical year at all. My sales have been growing at about 30%-40% per year, and sales so far are up from last year by nearly 14-fold.

                      P.S. Hosting websites on free hosting platforms is only being used in this forum to keep away prying, nosey busy-bodies. :rolleyes:

                      Ha ha ha ha! - That being said getting your traffic from sources other than Google is smart thinking.
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                      • Profile picture of the author tpw
                        Originally Posted by fin View Post

                        They've just changed the percentage from 15% to 8%.
                        Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

                        oh dear tpw..someone should have done their research.

                        LOL

                        On a change that was announced two days ago, it will affect Amazon affiliate revenues in future months but not for previous months.

                        Dear Amazon Associate,

                        We're writing to tell you about several important changes to our Operating Agreement, including revised advertising fee rates. All of these changes will be effective July 1, 2012.
                        This notice was mailed June 21, 2012.


                        Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

                        I like to keep an open mind but not so "open" that my entire brains fall out.

                        Well, maybe there is another explanation for why your attempt to insult me and make me look bad failed so miserably? :rolleyes:
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                        • Profile picture of the author myob
                          I have no idea where this figure of 25 employees came from; certainly not from me as I have never discussed these figures in any thread. At one time, I may have had 25 writers/researchers or sales reps, but now even that is considerably higher. Nonetheless, article syndication is the primary advertising method I use, which always has provided the best ROI of any other marketing method I know of. Is it worth the effort and expense? Perhaps not for everyone. :rolleyes:
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                          • Profile picture of the author tpw
                            Originally Posted by myob View Post

                            I have no idea where this figure of 25 employees came from; certainly not from me as I have never discussed these figures in any thread. At one time, I may have had 25 writers/researchers or sales reps, but now even that is considerably higher. Nonetheless, article syndication is the primary advertising method I use, which always has provided the best ROI of any other marketing method I know of. Is it worth the effort and expense? Perhaps not for everyone. :rolleyes:

                            My fault. It came from me.

                            Chalk it up to a faulty memory.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
                              I don't believe one bit of it. Sounds like a fish story. 30 Million take recommendations through syndication? While a good advertising route, I see no business/client bonding. It has to be a two way street for that to happen. Mayhap you build lists upon list through syndication, but eventually the well dries up with cold sale tactics. You would need an army of people in customer support to keep the business/client relationship going. Nobody likes canned ads or responses.
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                              • Profile picture of the author myob
                                Originally Posted by Chris Silvey View Post

                                I don't believe one bit of it. Sounds like a fish story. 30 Million take recommendations through syndication? While a good advertising route, I see no business/client bonding. It has to be a two way street for that to happen. Mayhap you build lists upon list through syndication, but eventually the well dries up with cold sale tactics. You would need an army of people in customer support to keep the business/client relationship going. Nobody likes canned ads or responses.
                                Certainly not all 30 million take my recommendations through article syndication, but enough of them do to make this model extremely effective even in some of the most competitive markets. Perhaps this post may show the very simple logic in my method. And yes, I do have a customer support dept, because "nobody likes canned ads or responses". But anyway, thanks for your attempt at providing business consulting "advice". :rolleyes:
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                            • Profile picture of the author fin
                              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                              My fault. It came from me.

                              Chalk it up to a getting old.
                              Fixed it for you. Lol, sorry, couldn't resist.
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                    • Profile picture of the author IMRonin
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                      The stupidity of people actually believing that is mind boggling...

                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      Agreed. This year, my company will earn nearly 500 million from several dozen affiliate programs and commissions from high end equipment sales. After expenses, net profits are expected be $200 million. This has not been a typical year at all. My sales have been growing at about 30%-40% per year, and sales so far are up from last year by nearly 14-fold.

                      P.S. Hosting websites on free hosting platforms is only being used in this forum to keep away prying, nosey busy-bodies. :rolleyes:
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                  • Profile picture of the author Casey Wong
                    which are the 14 ways in generating traffic? Seems to be rather wordy for me to look through..hmm..
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                    • Profile picture of the author myob
                      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

                      If Paul/myob had said I'm doing $20 Million..I'd say SH***..good going..even $50 Million I could believe..it's stretched..but I could believe it.
                      Those figures really are the true figures ... for about 4 and 6 years ago. But, things like that often change in this business.

                      42,000 sales per day, think about that for a second....

                      I think Myob wasn't expecting anyone to pick up on it...
                      So, you really believe you are the one and only who "picked up" on it? I explained this method I use over and over many times.

                      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6216194

                      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6331939

                      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6379855 (part 2)

                      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4576835

                      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5497688

                      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post6016656

                      I totally believe he is a BIG earner here..I believe that.

                      But I think it would be a good move for Myob to come out and say what he is really doing.
                      I have.

                      Since this thread started, he is $5,000,000 richer..apparently.
                      Your math skills are admirable, but the realities of accounting and delayed payments makes this a bit inaccurate.

                      Myob, to wrap this up..I just don't believe you.
                      You have never asked me how much I really care.

                      I was at an event this weekend with some of the biggest earners Online on the Internet.
                      Well, good for you. Hope you've learned a thing or two.

                      Myob, you are doing more than every single one of the 10 speakers total worth combined inside 6 months @ $250,000,000 in revenue.
                      Maybe you should have them visit the Warrior Forum for some marketing tips. The War Room in particular has lots of goodies that's made many millions for members here over the years.

                      I'm not trying to be an asshole here..but just you know...think about what your claiming here..just think about it.

                      Anyone looking to spend seven figures are not gonna do it via an affiliate..companies looking to spend that amount, in most cases, would go straight to source.
                      What source would you suggest to them? Some companies have affiliates selling products well into the 7-figure price range, including Amazon.

                      And I'd be shocked if you actually had enough consistent buyers to give you a $500,000,000 Gross.
                      More "consistent" buyers are being added to my lists everyday. You must be having a terrible time trying to read my posts. As I have said, sales have been growing by leaps and bounds for over 15 years.

                      For your reading pleasure, here are some posts in which I have listed a few of the niches in which I market; here, here, and here.

                      Thanks for playing.
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                  • Profile picture of the author lucinda
                    I have to agree with drunken monkey, the braggers are the ones who drive the Mercedes and don't have chairs to sit in their home.

                    Joe, thanks for sharing this, it's always good to get a refresher.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Bill,

            If you're getting 40K and 10K hits per month, you obviously know a thing or two about traffic.

            Care to share a couple of pointers? What's getting you the most traffic? What changes are you seeing? What method has surprised you? Anything that might be helpful.

            Thanks,

            Joe Mobley

            This is really a lot simpler than many people want to believe that it is.

            You simply need to get your links on pages that people will want to see, and then to make a call-to-action with your link in such a way that people will want to click your link.

            Many people make the mistake of building links for the sake of having links, in hopes that Google will smile down upon them.

            Instead, I seek to get my links placed on more pages that will have a large audience.

            The more people who will see my link, the more people who will click my link.

            In a nutshell, I am driven to put my links in front of large audiences of people, who will be inclined to want to click my links.



            This strategy can be applied to article marketing, press releases, guest blog posts, document sharing, social media, forum marketing, email marketing and paid ads. I use all of the above.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              This is really a lot simpler than many people want to believe that it is.

              You simply need to get your links on pages that people will want to see, and then to make a call-to-action with your link in such a way that people will want to click your link.

              Many people make the mistake of building links for the sake of having links, in hopes that Google will smile down upon them.

              Instead, I seek to get my links placed on more pages that will have a large audience.

              The more people who will see my link, the more people who will click my link.

              In a nutshell, I am driven to put my links in front of large audiences of people, who will be inclined to want to click my links.



              This strategy can be applied to article marketing, press releases, guest blog posts, document sharing, social media, forum marketing, email marketing and paid ads. I use all of the above.
              I believe this is an important point. The best links have two benefits:

              1. Traffic

              2. SEO benefits

              These are the links that should be sought out, IMO.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
        I'm joyously envious of you if you have figured out PPC. I think my mind has the idea that learning PPC and other paid traffic has an expensive learning curve.

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        Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post


        I'd also say...screw free traffic, you want sales, you want leads, pay for the click peeps...or all your gonna get is: "Hit's".
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    • Profile picture of the author mizambar
      Originally Posted by Mike Hersh View Post

      Pretty much the same old stuff. He's just presenting the content in a different way.

      While I do work with non Google traffic, this list is pretty much useless in my opinion.

      Thanks anyway for posting this, maybe some newbies can get good ideas from this list :-)

      Mike
      WOW dude...I wouldn't call it useless. Kind of sucks to see you say that.

      Just because people have already "heard" of a traffic technique; doesn't mean that it has zero value. Some are techniques I've used to successfully build MULTIPLE successful web properties. Others are ones I'm currently testing and hope to report back with the results on my blog.
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      Originally Posted by Mike Hersh View Post

      Pretty much the same old stuff. He's just presenting the content in a different way.

      While I do work with non Google traffic, this list is pretty much useless in my opinion.

      Thanks anyway for posting this, maybe some newbies can get good ideas from this list :-)

      Mike
      Your 100% right, there is nothing new here, old wine in new bags, i don't understand why people are biting your head off for your comment, some people can't handle the truth obviously
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  • Profile picture of the author ImWendy
    Those are some very impressive numbers considering big G's minimal involvement. Whether Steve Scott does the work himself or hires it out, it's time/money well spent! The information on that blog post is WSO worthy. Thank you for sharing this!
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  • Profile picture of the author elexmedia
    #2 – Build an Email List
    This is how best-selling WSO Authors can get 1000+ sales in just 1-2 days... their list and their affiliates' lists.

    Look at Groupon and any other daily sites... They're really focus on building the list.
    Also, Facebook... the site can be so huge in just months because of list building and not SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author williamk
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    I have seen them before too. He just said it in a differnet way. I am sure some warrior made some posts regarding this some time ago too.
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  • Profile picture of the author eshoppingez
    That was a nice post. I had no idea that Kindle books could be so effective. I'm glad I read it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Val Wilson
    Some interesting strategies here - definitely worth a read. You could add in forum posting, article syndication, and question and answer sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author deepak111
      lots of platform those hep to making traffic to site without depend on google like do online marketing, social networking websites,
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    • Profile picture of the author Alohatom
      I agree with all of these and I personally attest to the Kindle material
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  • Profile picture of the author Venkat001
    There were some good points which I didn't know earlier. Thanks for the info
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  • Profile picture of the author madhushan
    Point no.6 was pretty new to me...
    Most other techniques are widely known.
    Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author mizambar
    Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

    While not totally a non-Google approach to traffic, this is a good solid article about getting more visitors to your site.

    In addition, the posts starts with a look at his own sites numbers.

    http://www.stevescottsite.com/free-t...trategies-2012

    Joe Mobley
    Hey Joe - Thanks for sharing my post...Seeing this was a great way to start the day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Steve,

      I didn't know you had a boat in this river.

      I picked this (your post) up from Twitter. It looks like you have pretty good stuff on your site. I would encourage you to share more of it here.

      There is a wide range of experience here. I'm sure a lot of people would benefit from your content.

      All the best,

      Joe Mobley


      Originally Posted by mizambar View Post

      Hey Joe - Thanks for sharing my post...Seeing this was a great way to start the day!
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      • Profile picture of the author mizambar
        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        Steve,

        I didn't know you had a boat in this river.

        I picked this (your post) up from Twitter. It looks like you have pretty good stuff on your site. I would encourage you to share more of it here.

        There is a wide range of experience here. I'm sure a lot of people would benefit from your content.

        All the best,

        Joe Mobley
        Yeah, I've been a WF "lurker" for many years now. Don't post very much because I found it distracted me from working on my business.

        Good stuff here; I always find something new to learn and implement.
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    Thanks for sharing this =)
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    Might think of article submit , press release submit, link exchange , directories, social bookmarking might you get numbers of traffic as well .
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  • Profile picture of the author headmaster211
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    Hey Joe, that's a pretty good post. Just got refreshed. Thank you for providing it here!
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      I flat out don't believe you.
      I agree the numbers seem staggering, but I have been at this steadily for over 15 years. As I have said many times in my posts, article syndication is a simple marketing model that can be scaled up virtually unlimited. For any given viable niche, there are millions of potential publishers of articles.

      My articles are regularly distributed to a combined reading audience of roughly 30 million every week, and growing. An average of 5 new publishers are added to my syndication network weekly. And each of these publishers may have anywhere from a few hundred to hundreds of thousands of subscribers. This is the power of leveraging your efforts through article syndication.

      Funny how it's all the "Article Peddlers" out doing Media Buy peeps.
      What do you think all the "Media Buy peeps" are doing wrong?

      I'm not gonna tell you what my adspend is..but by that statement..your doing 4X times more than me in a day than I do in an entire month.
      Assuming your average sale is $5.00
      You're low-balling my initial average affiliate sales price by at least a factor of 6, and this does not even include reorders and additional followup sales.

      You are talking complete Bull...
      Yes, I have been known for doing this - in fact, quite frequently.

      So what your saying is...your averaging 42,000 sales a day..let's be conservative here and say your getting $5 per sale = $210,000 per day from articles?

      Is that something like $6.3 million dollars per month from Article syndication and blog posts.....?
      More; lots more.

      Yeah...Jog on!!
      Every morning, at least 4 miles.

      If I believed that..I'd be a retard...and last time I looked...I'm not a retard.
      You don't have to believe me; just believe it is possible. Many here on this forum are doing as well, and some are even doing much better than I. You seem to have what it takes already, with your advertising experience. Give it a shot.
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  • Profile picture of the author prithvitheprime
    Thanks for the ideas. I’ll be using as many as I can from launch, I’ve got a Twitter and Facebook presence, am starting some guest posting, and have a pretty good email list. I like your suggestions and more to improve my site.
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    • Profile picture of the author prithvitheprime
      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      You can forgot Twitter full stop. That's a lost cause.

      You want results..learn how to do Media buys and/or PPC for profit.

      I can literally switch my traffic on and off like a tap.
      Thanks for the suggestion mate, am just learning about PPC now. I think what you said about twitter is becoming right but am getting some good traffic from Facebook that i cant blame really.
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  • Profile picture of the author Schmeckel
    "Exactly who's plonker are you trying to pull here?..."

    I'm sorry, I busted out laughin on that one monkey! Spit my Budweiser up all over the keyboard.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Awesome read. Thanks for sharing. I also like the Twitter article he made on his site.
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  • Profile picture of the author PressReleaseGuru
    Thanks for the report, but I didn't see online PR on it. Sending out press releases is a very powerful tool that can get you a lot of traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      All this from Article Syndication you say.....
      My apologies to the OP for this thread disruption. But inquiring minds really want to know. Earnings from article syndication marketing has been growing exponentially; it has actually never been even close to being this high in previous years. My company is on target to net $200 million this year from affiliate sales, through article syndication. This increase is due primarily to the recent addition of a number of high-circulation publishers to my syndication network, which has grown to nearly 50,000 online/offline outlets over the last 15 years.
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        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        My apologies to the OP for this thread disruption. But inquiring minds really want to know. Earnings from article syndication marketing has been growing exponentially; it has actually never been even close to being this high in previous years. My company is on target to net $200 million this year from affiliate sales, through article syndication. This increase is due primarily to the recent addition of a number of high-circulation publishers to my syndication network, which has grown to nearly 50,000 online/offline outlets over the last 15 years.
        I cant believe how many of you cant believe he's doing so well. I make 6 Tillion a day so a measly 6Million a day should be super easy! LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author PressReleaseGuru
    With all due respect it is a little hard to believe that if someone nets 200 million a year, still is on WF and takes time to keep defending himself that he really is making this kind of money.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by RamonvanMeer View Post

      With all due respect it is a little hard to believe that if someone nets 200 million a year, still is on WF and takes time to keep defending himself that he really is making this kind of money.
      You assume everyone is here because it "cost effective." We're not.

      The 'disbelieving group' has run out of the forum many well-known marketers who make a ton of dough. Instead of criticizing, I suggest grabbing a pen and asking a ton of questions.

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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        You assume everyone is here because it "cost effective." We're not.
        No, he's assuming anyone here claiming to gross $500 million a year is full of crap. He's most likely right.

        The 'disbelieving group' has run out of the forum many well-known marketers who make a ton of dough.
        Which has nothing to do with the bogus claim being discussed in this thread.

        Instead of criticizing, I suggest grabbing a pen and asking a ton of questions.

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    THANKS A LOT FOR THIS! It's awesome D
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I don't claim to know all the facts, but last I heard, I think Paul said he has 25 employees, and that since he is selling physical products, his overhead is going to be much higher than most info product affiliates.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      What exactly is being debated here?

      Myob has not mentioned anything about 25 employees thus far.

      I'm not going to back peddle through all the post's in this thread but he has repeatedly used the word "I" and "Article Syndication and Blog Posts"..

      ..I'm not trying to split hairs here, I'm just going on fact based on what I'm reading straight out of the Horses mouth, even if he has 25 Employees (I believe the likes of Brunson has about 50 by now.), let;s get it into context here, $500,000,000 gross is being coined here.

      That is on par with most likely the likes of Dell and just about somewhere statistically in the same ball park as any Fortune500 company that is cared to be mentioned.

      Now, so far, I have not outright called anyone a liar here, without the facts I'd be a D*** to make that assumption, but, what I AM saying is that whilst it is possible, it is statistically unlikely given the methods driving this business.

      If the $300,000,000 overhead costs incurred is due to Radio, Advertising boards and other Multi, mass market Media, then that is not Article Syndication and Blog posts like what is being said here.

      Even if Myob is selling Physical products, why would his overheads be any higher than mine or yours or anyone else's?...I don't promote Amazon Products anymore, but I could go and promote a $21,000 Antique Table Leg as an affiliate, sell two an hour, and have ZERO costs in terms of "overheads" and maybe the $25 for an article to be picked up and syndicated, if I couldn't write one myself.

      Not valid.

      Once again not saying it is impossible, just statistically unlikely.

      You have not out-and-out called Paul a liar, but you have insinuated such several times, even in this response.


      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      Even if Myob is selling Physical products, why would his overheads be any higher than mine or yours or anyone else's?...I don't promote Amazon Products anymore, but I could go and promote a $21,000 Antique Table Leg as an affiliate, sell two an hour, and have ZERO costs in terms of "overheads" and maybe the $25 for an article to be picked up and syndicated, if I couldn't write one myself.

      If you are selling that $21,000 antique table leg through the Amazon affiliate program, you will be earning somewhere between 4% and 15% commission.

      Your "overheads" will be whatever money you spent to get that customer to the checkout page.

      While you might pay $25 to write and syndicate an article, that is not the model that the more successful "article marketers" follow.

      We tend to pay our researchers, writers and editors well, and yes, we typically hire all three positions to complete the writing process.

      If you are only paying $25 to write and syndicate your articles, then we obviously pay our writing team and syndication people far more money than you are paying for the same work.


      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      Once again not saying it is impossible, just statistically unlikely.
      I don't know the kinds of numbers that Paul has done using "article syndication and blog posts". I can only speak to what I have remembered Paul saying previously here in the forum and the business model he has described. He has said before that he uses "article syndication and blog posts" as his lead generation model, to bring people into his sales funnel in order to sell physical products.

      I can also speak to what I have done with "article syndication and blog posts". "I" have also personally generated far more revenue using "article syndication and blog posts" than many people will believe is even possible.

      Most people think article syndication is a wet dream, fantasy, bull**** advertising model. And, the way most people do it, it probably is. But, the way some of us do it, it can be a very lucrative advertising model.

      I have, for myself, created {EDIT: the most I have made in a single year is six-figures. Over more than a decade, I have earned 7-figures.} in revenue using "article syndication and blog posts".

      Are you prepared to suggest that my testimony is also "statistically unlikely"?

      The only difference between what I have done and what Paul does everyday is a matter of scale.

      He writes and syndicates more articles than I do, and he does so at such a scale that he is going to do far more volume than I have ever done using the "article syndication" advertising model.



      Your "disbelief" does not mean that someone is full of ****. It only means that you are making your decisions about whether something can be done based on your "limited knowledge and personal belief system".
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        I'm not getting involved in the argument. I don't really care tbh. Paul has always given me good advice.

        I just want to point out that I remember him saying he sells a lot of technical goods on Amazon.

        They've just changed the percentage from 15% to 8%.

        With those numbers, and depending how much of his business is in small equipment, that could mean something like 20-50 million per year knocked of his profit just because Amazon felt like screwing affiliates.

        That's got to be a kick in the balls.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    There is no new addition. But all of them are cool and effective. But the real thing is that if you try to avoid Google and try to get traffic then you will not get good response. The only way to get huge number of visitors is to depend on the SE and do what they want.
    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author iknowhow
    Interesting thread on traffic! Bookmarking it.
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  • Profile picture of the author quiescen
    The publishing on Amazon with Kindle tip is gold. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      What I have been trying to share with all of you here is the very powerful marketing concept of article syndication for driving traffic. Nearly everyone seems to be using it far below its potential. As I have mentioned many times throughout my posts on this topic, over 90% of my traffic comes from article syndication. And being in some of the most hotly competitive niches, this method really does beat the competition all-to-hell.

      The ultimate in article syndication is to consider your reading audience as a virtual email list. Build relationships with these readers just as if they were already subscribed to your own lists. This is what I have done over the years with a growing virtual "list" of now 30 million readers of my articles. Rather then getting them to "opt-in" with a freebie, they instead buy upon my recommendations and opt-in for additonal products. Consequently, there is seldom less than a 15% conversion rate on subsequent niche email promotions.

      As the email promotions progress through the autoresponder sequence of incrementally higher end products, additional marketing processes begin such as webinars, postal mail, telemarketing, and even face-to-face selling through my commissioned sales reps. These reps handle specialty products and equipment often selling at prices hovering near seven figures. Subscribers who don't buy within any marketing cycle are culled from the list and sold as leads to other marketers.

      For those with apparently very little experience in running a multi-million dollar privately held corporation, there are significant expenses such as taxes (a biggie), payroll, sales commissions, utilities, mortgage, insurance, accounting, transportation, legal (ahem), and other incidental fees and expenses.

      P.S. I hardly ever write articles anymore. Instead, for each of the 67 niches in which I market, these articles are written by a full-time staff of researchers/writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Luffy
    Use social media tough..
    especially add with some ads..
    I think that's the best way
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan3
    Thats a lot of traffic considering you dont have to use google. I am going to try it
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  • Profile picture of the author RamonPoloHere
    It's a cool article, friend.

    It's not very ground-breaking, but it's cool.

    I think it's gonna confuse a lot of people because they're going to get overwhelmed with SO many traffic generation strategies lol

    I still believe the best way to start with traffic is Facebook Ads and/or YouTube.
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    Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

    While not totally a non-Google approach to traffic, this is a good solid article about getting more visitors to your site.

    In addition, the posts starts with a look at his own sites numbers.

    http://www.stevescottsite.com/free-t...trategies-2012

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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
      Originally Posted by latestnewsheadline View Post

      There are only 12 traffic strategies . Google + and youtube belong to google.
      Did you read the text you quoted?
      While not totally a non-Google approach to traffic, this is a good solid article about getting more visitors to your site.
      The more you know.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Yea, I picked up on that myself the first time I read the post. I did think there was enough in the post to help a few people here.

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      Originally Posted by latestnewsheadline View Post

      There are only 12 traffic strategies . Google + and youtube belong to google.
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  • Profile picture of the author owlfowl
    That's a great post, now-a-days everyone relays on Google, that should not be good.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Star
    I agree with 14 techniques to get traffic, it is now I do. now to be done is to repeat these steps are always 14. but thanks for a sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author mizambar
    This forum post got WAY off topic. Though I do appreciate the traffic to my site :-)

    Anyway, I'm not one to debate about the merits of article syndication and if someone is making up a story or not. I know that article marketing worked for me from 2006 to 2010; so *maybe* it can produce measurable results for your biz.

    If you're interested in what Paul or "Myob" is talking about here are some posts about article syndication on WF:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post3188316
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...explained.html
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ifference.html
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-question.html
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...mith-myob.html
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-wonders.html

    Like any traffic technique; I'm going to try it myself and THEN pass judgement about whether it works or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Well when I clicked the link to read this thread, I wasn't expecting all this.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kragsig
      Wow lots of information! The site is bookmarked
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      • Profile picture of the author ezeway
        Anyone who thinks about a long term business and easiest way to generate traffic without big G is doing list building. I do not think that there really is any more new ways to get traffic, same old SH**, just everyone does it in its own way...
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          It seems the drunken monkey can't read.
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      • Profile picture of the author rrm
        Originally Posted by Kragsig View Post

        Wow lots of information!
        Well, maybe not so much. Some good stuff here and there.

        But, for the most part...

        I refer you to comment #83.

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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
    This is still going?

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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    OK, we had enough of prelude already, when are the "show me your websites Mr. SmartPants" and "prove it!" type of questions/commands making their appearance?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
      Originally Posted by canyon View Post

      OK, we had enough of prelude already, when are the "show me your websites Mr. SmartPants" and "prove it!" type of questions/commands making their appearance?
      *Facepalm*

      No. See the offhanded joke I made right before you? See how both sides thanked the post? It was an unspoken way of saying "We're not going to agree with each other, and this battle may very well be fought again. But today, we walk away as men. There is nowhere else productive for this to go."

      Don't bring them back. It's already a miracle that this thread hasn't been locked/deleted yet.
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      • Profile picture of the author dpr2012
        The questions that I'm asking myself are...

        Why would someone who is earning millions per day 1. Join an internet marketing forum and 2. Still be posting here 10 years after they joined?
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
          Originally Posted by dpr2012 View Post

          The questions that I'm asking myself are...

          Why would someone who is earning millions per day 1. Join an internet marketing forum and 2. Still be posting here 10 years after they joined?
          Without jumping into the context of the previous conversations at all:

          1. Probably wasn't making that much when he joined.
          2. For the fun of it? Conversation? It's why I'm still here, so makes sense to me at least.
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          • Profile picture of the author dpr2012
            Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

            Without jumping into the context of the previous conversations at all:

            1. Probably wasn't making that much when he joined.
            2. For the fun of it? Conversation? It's why I'm still here, so makes sense to me at least.
            Ah yes but you're not making half a billion a year

            I know if I was making that much internet marketing forums would be the very last thing on my mind.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
              Originally Posted by dpr2012 View Post

              Ah yes but you're not making half a billion a year

              I know if I was making that much internet marketing forums would be the very last thing on my mind.
              Perhaps you or I wouldn't; but we don't know Paul personally, his life situation, what kind of time he has on his hands, any of that. Some people just like talking on forums about subjects that interest them.
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              • Profile picture of the author David Keith
                Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

                Perhaps you or I wouldn't; but we don't know Paul personally, his life situation, what kind of time he has on his hands, any of that. Some people just like talking on forums about subjects that interest them.
                Very true, but I can prove well beyond a reasonable doubt that he is taking great liberties with the truth regarding those numbers. That totally changes the lens in which one should view all his other comment through.

                As far as why would someone post here if they are making good money?

                I make what most would consider to be good money via various internet ventures. Admittedly I am well off the $500 million pace...lol, but I do fairly well.

                I come here because IM is a hobby of mine. Its been my life's work for the last 16 years and at this point in life, Its just a big part of who I am.

                I know many look at this as a job, but for me its fun.
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                • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
                  Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                  Very true, but I can prove well beyond a reasonable doubt that he is taking great liberties with the truth regarding those numbers. That totally changes the lens in which one should view all his other comment through.
                  I'm not commenting on the accuracy of his comments. It's fun to watch, but I think I need to limit the controversies I jump into for a few days .

                  Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                  As far as why would someone post here if they are making good money?

                  I make what most would consider to be good money via various internet ventures. Admittedly I am well off the $500 million pace...lol, but I do fairly well.

                  I come here because IM is a hobby of mine. Its been my life's work for the last 16 years and at this point in life, Its just a big part of who I am.
                  Exactly this. Hell, I'm not even at the 100k pace yet, but I still enjoy the income I make. Doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to abandon this place. It wasn't just a stepping stone, although others may regard it that way.

                  Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                  I know many look at this as a job, but for me its fun.
                  The Warrior Forum is a job? When do we get paid?
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                • Profile picture of the author tpw
                  Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                  As far as why would someone post here if they are making good money?

                  I make what most would consider to be good money via various internet ventures. Admittedly I am well off the $500 million pace...lol, but I do fairly well.

                  I come here because IM is a hobby of mine. Its been my life's work for the last 16 years and at this point in life, Its just a big part of who I am.

                  I know many look at this as a job, but for me its fun.

                  Although many of us come here and answer questions, in my case, I also come here to learn.

                  No matter how much I earn online -- and keep in mind, I haven't needed a job since 2005, I always want to learn how I can earn more.

                  Furthermore, for my first ten years doing the online thing, I kept myself locked in my little room where no one could see me or talk to me. Then, by happenstance, I realized that there were people out there in the world with whom I could relate and enjoy their company.

                  In the last two years, I have been making up for the socialization that I did not do for those first ten years I was in business... And it has resulted in opening my eyes to a world beyond what I had known before...

                  I will probably die at my keyboard... And I might do it mid-sentence while poking fun at someone in the Warr
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                  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
                    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                    I will probably die at my keyboard... And I might do it mid-sentence while poking fun at someone in the Warr

                    A fine Warrior indeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Mitchell
    Paul,

    Despite the incessant barking dogs, thank-you for staying with this thread long enough to supply the informative links you have posted in this thread.

    I have learned more about how to attract high quality, affordable traffic from reading your, Alexa Smith’s, and John McCabe’s WF posts than from all the expensive “Guru” products I’ve bought over the past ten years.

    Thanks,

    Ernie Mitchell
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Joe - you're right. Sorry for coming across as trying to inflame the dispute. But by looking at the direction the things were heading, it would not have been long until something like that would have surfaced, and I'm still surprised it didn't took place earlier in the thread.

    Still, that was a nice (and productive!) argument, and I do hope they remain friends.
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    Never thought about the Kindle thingy before to create buyers' list , or the trophy pigeon post. Still I learn several things from the article. Guest posting is still my goddess, though.

    Paul Uhl -- been checking your sig and surprised that if you're claiming to make 500m+ you're not gonna host your squeeze page in a free hosting even if according to you it's to avoid preying eyes or something. And I bet you can make a much better squeeze page than you have now. You could be making money from article syndication, but with that kind of earning you'll be featured at Fortune 500. Just sayin'. But I've learned a thing and two from your past posts too.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Viramara View Post

      Paul Uhl -- been checking your sig and surprised that if you're claiming to make 500m+ you're not gonna host your squeeze page in a free hosting even if according to you it's to avoid preying eyes or something. And I bet you can make a much better squeeze page than you have now. You could be making money from article syndication, but with that kind of earning you'll be featured at Fortune 500. Just sayin'. But I've learned a thing and two from your past posts too.
      Hi Viramara,

      Don't tell the drunken monkey, but contrary to what he claims, I actually did not make all that much yet. But anyway, how do you like my new sig, hosted on my free site promoting a Fortune 500 Clickbank product?
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      • Profile picture of the author Viramara
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Hi Viramara,

        Don't tell the drunken monkey, but contrary to what he claims, I actually did not make all that much yet. But anyway, how do you like my new sig, hosted on my free site promoting a Fortune 500 Clickbank product?
        One may dream big, but I think your safelist site can speak itself
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

        Myob, you've changed your tune.

        That's all I'm gonna say about it.

        What you just said, blows everything you've been saying completely out of the water.

        And you have the sheer audacity to sit there telling me I'm talking crap?

        First you say your doing $500 Million this year, then you said you did it 4-6years ago, then you have now said you haven't made that much yet?

        I don't where this is going?...all I know is your story is changing in every post.
        I have not changed anything, except my sig. Read those posts again. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Given the facts, your calculations are close, as was explained previously. But, affiliate products are not illegal in sigs; otherwise nearly everyone here would be in jail.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

          Unless I'm ever in the USA and we can have a fight about it

          Let me know when you make it to the States. I want to buy tickets to see that fight. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

          it's been fun.
          Oh yeah! My managers who have been watching these bouts thought so too. And since I have to be in the office anyway, this is how I've been providing free entertainment for my employees over the years.

          But seriously, and no reflection on you or even this forum, it is my policy (and expected to be followed by all my employees and contractors) not to post any mission critical company information on publically accessible forums, unsecured online networks, or social messaging services. You may have not experienced it yet, but there are some wackos who troll this forum.

          Besides, showing my websites will not be of much help at all in this context, because it has taken me nearly 15 years to reach this level of success. And you have already shown by giving up so soon that you are not capable of the endurance it takes for high achievement. This is typical for most people. They want success instantly, without putting in the hard work and commitment it takes for setting and reaching goals.

          The secret to my success is not really a secret at all. I have posted often and openly on my methods, resources (and even some of my most profitable niches), as several other very successful marketers also have done with article syndication. Proof of my earnings is not proof that you can do the same.

          As I have said (post# 51), my projected gross affiliate earnings for this year is expected to be nearly $500m, which is more than I have ever made in my whole life. This projection is based on a very large increase in sales over the last eight months, which appears to be steadily sustained. It is a direct result of a series of articles published in four popular mass publication offline magazines.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            This projection is based on a very large increase in sales over the last eight months, which appears to be steadily sustained. It is a direct result of a series of articles published in four popular mass publication offline magazines.
            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            If your traffic strategy is article syndication, and the syndication is on websites that obtain most of their traffic from Google, isn't your strategy ultimately still dependent on Google?

            .

            In Paul's case, the answer would seem to be, "no".

            Above, he has stated that he does at least some of his article syndication through offline magazines, and he has told me previously that he frequently targets offline publications.

            In my case, with the article syndication I have done, most of the publishers are not relying at all upon Google to deliver their audience. These are publishers with an already established audience of people who frequently visit their websites and read the email they send.

            Consider for example About.com. When was the last time you went there and how did you get there? What about the Wall Street Journal Online? How did you get there? How about Mashable.com or WebMD.com? (Articles that I have written have appeared on all of these sites, except for Mashable.)

            Do you reach these sites by going through Google, OR more likely, do you type the name of the site into the browser or follow a link from somewhere else?

            I tend to reach WSJ Online by going there directly or following a social media link. I tend to reach Mashable in the exact same way.

            A small portion of their traffic may be Google-driven, but the majority of their traffic is not derived from Google.
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            • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Consider for example About.com. When was the last time you went there and how did you get there? What about the Wall Street Journal Online? How did you get there? How about Mashable.com or WebMD.com? (Articles that I have written have appeared on all of these sites, except for Mashable.)

              Do you reach these sites by going through Google, OR more likely, do you type the name of the site into the browser or follow a link from somewhere else?
              Actually, it was from Google / Bing.

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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                Actually, it was from Google / Bing.

                .

                You just have to be different, don't you? :p

                Most of the places I get published have people on their newsletter mailing list, and I target publication in the newsletter.

                So the bulk of my article marketing traffic is not Google-originated, unless you count how people got on the mailing list to start with.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Keith
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            Oh yeah! My managers who have been watching these bouts thought so too. And since I have to be in the office anyway, this is how I've been providing free entertainment for my employees over the years.

            But seriously, and no reflection on you or even this forum, it is my policy (and expected to be followed by all my employees and contractors) not to post any mission critical company information on publically accessible forums, unsecured online networks, or social messaging services. You may have not experienced it yet, but there are some wackos who troll this forum.

            Besides, showing my websites will not be of much help at all in this context, because it has taken me nearly 15 years to reach this level of success. And you have already shown by giving up so soon that you are not capable of the endurance it takes for high achievement. This is typical for most people. They want success instantly, without putting in the hard work and commitment it takes for setting and reaching goals.

            The secret to my success is not really a secret at all. I have posted often and openly on my methods, resources (and even some of my most profitable niches), as several other very successful marketers also have done with article syndication. Proof of my earnings is not proof that you can do the same.

            As I have said (post# 51), my projected gross affiliate earnings for this year is expected to be nearly $500m, which is more than I have ever made in my whole life. This projection is based on a very large increase in sales over the last eight months, which appears to be steadily sustained. It is a direct result of a series of articles published in four popular mass publication offline magazines.
            Paul. A word of advice. let it die.

            You or someone with your account made the above statement (take notice that I left you an obvious out here...lol). There is a HUGE difference in projected earnings of 8 figures vs projected earnings of mid 9 figures.

            Now if you go from saying nine figures to saying 8 figures maybe next week you will be saying 7 or 6... maybe less.

            Again Paul...this ain't personal. But you can't get a free pass for spouting bs and then expect everyone to believe everything else you say.

            I can go on debunking stuff you have put out. Like the fact that you mention your 1400% increase due to 4 offline magazine publications with 6 million reach. Ok.... There are right at 100 magazines in the USA with subscribers over 1 million. That means you have stuff published in 4 of them.

            While I don't have $500 million in income, I don't mind spending some money to get a hold of the magazine for a few months and send them to a VA to get to the bottom of your sites. We should be able to find them easily with all the info you have given about your sales process.

            Do you really want to keep defending an un-defendable position all the way until the end?

            BTW. I am sure you have heard of http://www.inc.com. They publish some handy lists of companies who are reporting corporate tax earnings in the range of the numbers you are mentioning.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

              I can go on debunking stuff you have put out. Like the fact that you mention your 1400% increase due to 4 offline magazine publications with 6 million reach. Ok.... There are right at 100 magazines in the USA with subscribers over 1 million. That means you have stuff published in 4 of them.
              Interesting...I did some similar research. There's actually very few combinations of exactly 4 magazines with a combined circulation of 6 million.
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

              I don't mind spending some money to get a hold of the magazine for a few months and send them to a VA to get to the bottom of your sites. We should be able to find them easily with all the info you have given about your sales process.
              What is it that you're looking for? Perhaps I can help, being a prefossional in such matters.
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              • Profile picture of the author David Keith
                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                What is it that you're looking for? Perhaps I can help, being a prefossional in such matters.
                I would be looking for the offers that are allowing you to make a projected 500 million this year as an affiliate. Hell, I would settle for the 35 million or so you made last year before your 1400% increase.

                I did pretty well last year, but I didn't get very close to 35 million.

                I am a life long student of business and marketing. If someone is able to run those kind of numbers via article syndication then I clearly have much to learn from you.

                However, so far all I have seen is some crazy talk with numbers that don't match up. 500 million as an affiliate is crazy high. Amazon is about the only place that could even possible be happening.

                But their highest paying products are 15% commission. So to make 500 mil in commissions you would need to be responsible for 3+ billion in sales. Amazon did about 70 billion in sales total last year. Meaning you alone are responsible for 2% or so of amazons total sales. Forgive me for being skeptical that you are able to do that at all, much less using article syndication as your primary marketing method.

                CB. doesn't have anywhere near the volume to support those numbers. they did 2.1 billion in sales in the last 14 years combined.

                I have almost never heard you mention any other systems such as cj, linkshare,... So either you are using amazon and are responsible for 2% ish of their total sales or you have been misleading a lot of people about your methods.

                lets keep this going. I am game.
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                  Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                  lets keep this going. I am game.
                  I'm game too. Surely myob will give us the details of his alleged success.

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        • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
          Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

          I'm out of this thread for the third and final time.
          ...and yet, he returns....
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          I just added this sig so I can refer to it in my posts...

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  • Profile picture of the author fittrainerkyle
    I love that "building a list" is one of the tips. Doesn't building a list require traffic in the first place? =P
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by fittrainerkyle View Post

      I love that "building a list" is one of the tips. Doesn't building a list require traffic in the first place? =P

      It does. But a list allows you to order traffic on demand, getting your previous visitors to return frequently.
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    • Profile picture of the author WayneTanIm
      Originally Posted by fittrainerkyle View Post

      I love that "building a list" is one of the tips. Doesn't building a list require traffic in the first place? =P
      Yeah, i was wondering why "Building a list" falls under one of the 14 free traffic building strategies.

      Anyway, i do have avenues that i would always go to for free traffic. They are listjoe and listbonus. With the free account, they allow you to send up to 6000 emails to members per week. With ListBonus.com it's 1000/wk

      My CTR with ListJoe is typically around 1.5-2.0%, so typically I will get 100+ sets of eyeballs on my Squeeze page with them. While with ListBonus.com I typically get around 4% CTR, so around 40 people get to see my offer. That's around 150 people a week who get a chance to join my list. And it's free, that is the best part of it. However listjoe is currently under maintainence.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    everyone see the problem here.

    The newbies are looking for the HOLY GRAIL of traffic online.

    I will break this gently to you....GUESS WHAT?.....there is no holy grail.

    I know that my friends who do well...and the reason I do well is PPC.

    Now I am not saying FREE traffic does not work, infact we still use FREE traffic alot to test things. But paid traffic and LIST building has worked wondered for our business. Infact I went from a newbie to 5 figures a month very quick from using these.

    Do not look for the holy grail...I would say look for 1 or 2 very good ways to drive traffic to your site or optin page and sell to your list. Seriously nothing works better than having a list of people you can send to your sales pages / offers / membership sites. Its like having an INSTANT BOOTLOAD of targeted traffic you can send to your site instantly with the push of a button.

    I also have a 2 media buy ads on specific blogs (with very high traffic) that cost me about $200 a month each, but they bring in over $12,000 in sales (profit that is) per month.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      everyone see the problem here.

      The newbies are looking for the HOLY GRAIL of traffic online.

      I will break this gently to you....GUESS WHAT?.....there is no holy grail.

      I know that my friends who do well...and the reason I do well is PPC.

      Now I am not saying FREE traffic does not work, infact we still use FREE traffic alot to test things. But paid traffic and LIST building has worked wondered for our business. Infact I went from a newbie to 5 figures a month very quick from using these.

      Do not look for the holy grail...I would say look for 1 or 2 very good ways to drive traffic to your site or optin page and sell to your list. Seriously nothing works better than having a list of people you can send to your sales pages / offers / membership sites. Its like having an INSTANT BOOTLOAD of targeted traffic you can send to your site instantly with the push of a button.

      I also have a 2 media buy ads on specific blogs (with very high traffic) that cost me about $200 a month each, but they bring in over $12,000 in sales (profit that is) per month.

      Agree in principle, but people who are looking for traffic are looking for the wrong things.

      Folks should be looking for traffic that converts.

      We can get mega-tons of traffic every single day that does not convert -- the really clever ones get mega-tons of traffic that leads to sales conversions.

      Once you are getting sales, it should not matter whether the traffic is free or paid, so long as you can convert that traffic at a level that allows you to keep earning a profit.
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    • Originally Posted by celente View Post

      everyone see the problem here.

      The newbies are looking for the HOLY GRAIL of traffic online.

      I will break this gently to you....GUESS WHAT?.....there is no holy grail.

      ....
      That seems an odd statement for someone with a sigline that says:
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Ronue
    Good info, a bit old stuff, but i am sure its new for many people.. Thanks for the share
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    The essence of the article is quite relevant after the wake of Google penguin and updates like that.

    There is no doubt Google can be your biggest source of traffic. But at the same time you should not completely rely on Google for traffic. If you are, you may be taking one of the biggest risk at present context, specially after those inconsistent algo update.

    Diversifying the traffic source is key now.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    LOLz... zzzzzz
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  • Profile picture of the author Puta
    Great list! Always looking for new traffic sources as I'm really trying to weaken my dependance on Google. Am so sick of trying to keep up with all of these algorythm chances and hate being at the mercy of the big G.
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  • Profile picture of the author stefitch
    HI Joe.
    I've just read the link and it ALL looks useful to us newbies. Thanks also to MYob and drunken monkey for bringing a smile to my face.
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  • Profile picture of the author williamk
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    I also agree with Val Wilson. Forum posting is one of the best way to get traffic and very good quality at that too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Casey Wong
    The most challenging of all business comes down to list building, and I'm doing the free method without paying..not easy after all.. =)
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    If you find free traffic method that works without Google, you can capture leads from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      Your just asking for a bite.

      Look at the date I joined this forum and look at my Infusionsoft, I've done just under £50K or $73,000 so far this month.

      I'd say this puts me just about ahead of most this forum?
      Very impressive! Keep it up. At that rate you will also exceed Manchester United's monthly club income of $37,000,000 within 43 years!
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        MYOB,

        Have you ever thought about changing directions and choosing a niche you are really passionate about? Building up a blog in something you love and doing all your own writing?

        I'm just curious what drives you.

        Obviously you never need to worry about money again. Is it just seeing how much you can make that drives you forward? Or do you love what you do?
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  • Profile picture of the author rontheitguy
    OK, wait a minute...42,000/day x $30/sale = HOLY CRAP!!!

    Hey, did I ever tell you all about the time I wrestled with a sasquatch?...
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    Thanks for posting...
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  • Profile picture of the author samjaynz
    I'm a big fan of forum marketing for solid, community-driven traffic.

    In addition, posting to forums is far more interesting than other forms of "backlinking".
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Sorry Bill...But I'm with Brian. I get to those sites using specific keyword searches in Google.

    This doesn't mean that there's not tons of traffic from non-google resources, only that it wasn't a good example.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Sorry Bill...But I'm with Brian. I get to those sites using specific keyword searches in Google.

      This doesn't mean that there's not tons of traffic from non-google resources, only that it wasn't a good example.

      LOL

      Good point.

      As fin said the other day, "chalk it up to me getting old." :p
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        I think you have to consider Bill is already targeting websites which already have thousands of visitors, so in actual fact he isn't using websites that rely on Google.

        If those websites stopped getting traffic from Google they would already have a ton of readers. Now all he needs to do is target new sites with tons of readers, hence they still won't be dependent on Google.
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      • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Originally Posted by Kurt
        Sorry Bill...But I'm with Brian. I get to those sites using specific keyword searches in Google.
        LOL

        Good point.

        As fin said the other day, "chalk it up to me getting old." :p
        If you're doing business on the web, Google's probably gonna be involved somehow, at some part of the process - even if most of your traffic doesn't come directly from google, there will still be at least a trickle of folks that stumble onto you via google, and at least some of the publications that you syndicate to will get at least some traffic from G.

        I think the point is, if google slapping your site off of page 1 has little or no effect on your bottom line, then you're not depending on Google for your business.

        But "chalk it up to me getting old."?? PLEASE!!!! :p I got boots that are older than some o' you youngins
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by cjreynolds View Post

          But "chalk it up to me getting old."?? PLEASE!!!! :p I got boots that are older than some o' you youngins

          LOL

          Fin started the "old" thing, and since he is probably a decade or two younger than I am, I had to take the hit.

          According to the Internet, I am even a decade older than Joe Camel. :p
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          • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            According to the Internet, I am even a decade older than Joe Camel. :p
            Yah, but he looks older! (it's all those cigarettes :p)
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    Can I inspire someone today with this true story?

    http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...rst-sales.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Just a point on the online outlets in which articles are syndicated, which some people say are dependent on Google: If it's an authority, well-established website, Google won't slap it because this isn't their intention. They want the quality website on top, and the weak ones at the bottom, or even out of their index.

    So if you have great articles that are worthy of publication in top-notch online outlets, take heart, most likely Google will leave them alone.

    Bill: I see you have articles syndicated on incredibly popular and respected websites, how did you do it? :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by canyon View Post

      Bill: I see you have articles syndicated on incredibly popular and respected websites, how did you do it? :confused:

      Awesome content that was very relevant to the audiences of the websites and newsletters that published the content.
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    Oh look he said the word content. Yipee!
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

      Oh look he said the word content. Yipee!

      Articles are such a small part of the overall picture.

      What makes people successful online?

      Content, content, content.
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    Thanks for the post!
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Good article!

    I think most people understand that ONLY relying on Google for organic search traffic is a VERY risky business model.

    Good to read about a few other methods from Steve Scott though so thanks for the post.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Some problems with Scott's article:

      - He doesn't actually state how much, if any, traffic is received from non-Google sources.

      - Some of these strategies still make use of Google properties. Google+ - I think that is basically Google.

      - Other strategies seem to still rely on Google as the initial point of contact. For instance, building an email list requires some mechanism for people to find your website and opt-in form. If you don't have Google, what is it that drives the traffic to get email opt-ins?

      Personally, I'm a lot more interested in how MYOB grosses $500M without relying on Google than I am about some vague article theoretically suggesting Pinterest as an alternative. For instance, how much traffic do you think the Warrior Forum gets from Pinterest?

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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post
        Personally, I'm a lot more interested in how MYOB grosses $500M without relying on Google
        It's called make believe, lol.
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          It's called make believe, lol.
          That's why I like to read more from Paul about this. Promoting ClickBank products as the initial purchase is not something I would have expected. Then marketing upsells to those buyers, instead of first creating a list started from free content that is then used to entice people to make the first purchase - would not have expected that either.

          Turns a few marketing ideas upside down.

          It isn't just article syndication. I haven't seen anything about the content for daily emails in all the niches.

          And we haven't heard about legal issues and practical concerns such as keeping all the writers quiet and not breaking off on their own and diluting the market with copycats. Maybe that's happening. Maybe they have no idea what amount of dough is being generated.

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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Personally, I'm a lot more interested in how MYOB grosses $500M without relying on Google
        First of all, I did not say that I have ever made that much; only that it is a projected target for this year based on extrapolation of earnings over the last eight months.

        And, I have left numerous references in my posts throughout this thread regarding my marketing system, which really is a very simple model scaled up. In a nutshell, this is what I do.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          I have left numerous references in my posts throughout this thread regarding my marketing system, which really is a very simple model scaled up. In a nutshell, this is what I do.


          In response to that post Paul, I submitted a question for your consideration here.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Bill, you do realize that the derailment of this thread is entirely your fault, don't you? :p
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              Bill, you do realize that the derailment of this thread is entirely your fault, don't you? :p
              Leave old Bill alone now, he's like the 8th one to do it now...
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                Bill, you do realize that the derailment of this thread is entirely your fault, don't you? :p
                Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

                Leave old Bill alone now, he's like the 8th one to do it now...

                Yes, I was about the 8th one to do it, but people pay more attention to me than they pay to some of the other people who "tried" to derail it... People like that Joe guy... :p

                Sorry Paul... Did not actually intend on derailing it. But if you take another shot across the bow at the DM, the thread could explode again.
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                • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
                  Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                  Yes, I was about the 8th one to do it, but people pay more attention to me than they pay to some of the other people who "tried" to derail it... People like that Joe guy... :p
                  See I was rig...HEY.

                  Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                  Sorry Paul... Did not actually intend on derailing it. But if you take another shot across the bow at the DM, the thread could explode again.
                  Well if I can't derail it maybe I can rerail it. Paul, we're going to throw everything I've ever agreed with concerning content and article syndication out the window. There is no way you are leveraging content to make any money, let alone millions.

                  It's Google or bust, and since you aren't using Google you must be a bust.
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                • Profile picture of the author myob
                  Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                  Sorry Paul... Did not actually intend on derailing it.
                  I posted my boast only because you posted your boast. And that's when the fight started.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

        I did some math on what I thought may be his figures (TAKING into account re-orders & Rebills that Myob claims he gets on top) and the digits won't fit on my calculator, I literally get an error.
        Certainly with your posted earnings of $73,000 this month, you can now afford something more robust than an 8-digit calculator.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          Certainly with your posted earnings of $73,000 this month, you can now afford something more robust than an 8-digit calculator.

          Shazam!!!!

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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

          P.S @ tpw AKA Mr $7 ebook huh?...really? are you like...10 years old or something?...

          You know what's really funny? I bet I'm out-earning your ass anyway in all reality chump.

          Post a screenshot dude....(and make it a current one if you do please)...?

          LOLz

          Thanks for keeping this fun, with the "my something is bigger than yours" strategy. :p
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          • Profile picture of the author zapseo
            Personally, how much a marketer makes isn't the most important thing in the world to me.

            There are TONS of psycho & sociopaths that make tons of money (it's their psychopathy that makes it possible for them to rob the homeless, widows and orphans without compunction ... while doing it 'legally.')

            Bill is one of the most ethical, caring marketers I know; I consider it a distinct privilege and honor to know him.

            Keep up the great work, Bill (but don't let this go to your head* ... )

            Live JoyFully!

            Judy

            * Seriously, I consider that highly unlikely, but I know we are ALL vulnerable...
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

          Your reported $500,000,000 earnings is 9 digits.

          Based on your initial sale, when I took into account reorders and rebills
          of your products "hovering seven figures" (your words not mine) it put it at 11 digits which threw an error.
          I have never "reported" such earnings. The calculations should not exceed 8 digits. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author alfid
    This is good info. It is frustrating indeed thinking you have to depend on Google to make it. That shouldn't have to be the case, and this should help.
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    Thanks for sharing
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    thanks for sharing (y)
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  • Profile picture of the author y8online2
    Those are some very impressive numbers considering big G's minimal involvement
    Thanks for the information
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    Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Barrs
    Dang.

    I've just read every friggin post in this thread and my eyes are hurting.

    Three letters come to mind... W.T.F. ?

    Other than the OP this thread lacks any real value whatsoever - sure we've got a few links to this and that - but seriously... what profit is to be gained from such crap.

    I don't know either of the two main protagonists but surely logic must prevail... are such claims possible, yes. But they are unproven. Are they likely, well no, not in my world.

    But that's just because I've only ever worked with one company in my 20+ years in business that was doing over 40,000 sales a day... therefore I've not "seen it" (the claims made here).

    But that doesn't mean they doesn't exist. It just means I don't believe them.

    But... boys, what is it about your ego that says you feel the need to continually one-up each other?

    Both of you are generating good sales and revenue it would seem - so why not post something of VALUE that newer members and less experienced warriors can LEARN from and look to duplicate.

    I'm talking an actual step by step 'this is how I do it' post or PDF. It doesn't need to be an epic, just 2 - 3 pages of good USABLE CONTENT... not stuff that blows smoke up each other a**.

    This is my challenge to you.

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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Thank you Paul.

      Aside from the pissing contest, I believe that there is value in this thread for the right group of people.

      The above mentioned contest tends to drive away from the WF or at least will discourage their participation. How unfortunate.

      Again, thanks for your level headed input.

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      Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

      Dang.

      I've just read every friggin post in this thread and my eyes are hurting.

      Three letters come to mind... W.T.F. ?

      Other than the OP this thread lacks any real value whatsoever - sure we've got a few links to this and that - but seriously... what profit is to be gained from such crap.

      I don't know either of the two main protagonists but surely logic must prevail... are such claims possible, yes. But they are unproven. Are they likely, well no, not in my world.

      But that's just because I've only ever worked with one company in my 20+ years in business that was doing over 40,000 sales a day... therefore I've not "seen it" (the claims made here).

      But that doesn't mean they doesn't exist. It just means I don't believe them.

      But... boys, what is it about your ego that says you feel the need to continually one-up each other?

      Both of you are generating good sales and revenue it would seem - so why not post something of VALUE that newer members and less experienced warriors can LEARN from and look to duplicate.

      I'm talking an actual step by step 'this is how I do it' post or PDF. It doesn't need to be an epic, just 2 - 3 pages of good USABLE CONTENT... not stuff that blows smoke up each other a**.

      This is my challenge to you.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Mitchell
      Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

      Dang.

      I've just read every friggin post in this thread and my eyes are hurting.

      Three letters come to mind... W.T.F. ?

      Other than the OP this thread lacks any real value whatsoever - sure we've got a few links to this and that - but seriously... what profit is to be gained from such crap.

      I don't know either of the two main protagonists but surely logic must prevail... are such claims possible, yes. But they are unproven. Are they likely, well no, not in my world.

      But that's just because I've only ever worked with one company in my 20+ years in business that was doing over 40,000 sales a day... therefore I've not "seen it" (the claims made here).

      But that doesn't mean they doesn't exist. It just means I don't believe them.

      But... boys, what is it about your ego that says you feel the need to continually one-up each other?

      Both of you are generating good sales and revenue it would seem - so why not post something of VALUE that newer members and less experienced warriors can LEARN from and look to duplicate.

      I'm talking an actual step by step 'this is how I do it' post or PDF. It doesn't need to be an epic, just 2 - 3 pages of good USABLE CONTENT... not stuff that blows smoke up each other a**.

      This is my challenge to you.

      Paul Barrs
      With all due respect, I don’t see it at as two main protagonists but as one protagonist and a defendant. Sure, Paul has “responded” but who wouldn’t?

      I also disagree that other then the OP that this thread lacks any real value.

      I don’t know what Paul pulls down a year and I don’t care. What I do know is that I have learned a lot from him therefore; when he speaks (posts), I listen.

      I can’t say the same for the other protagonist/s in this thread although I do have to admit that because of all the names that have been dropped I have learned what some of England’s top earners are evidently pulling down.

      There is a distinct possibility Paul may indeed be turning the numbers he claims. Just because someone cannot fathom it doesn’t mean it’s a lie. I certainly don’t blame him for not surrendering hard numbers or any of his other secret herbs and spices to prove a point to someone he hardly knows or cares about.

      Respectfully,

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  • Profile picture of the author ariananelson770
    The first step to any traffic strategy is to create in-depth content around one subject. This is the best way to get repeat visitors and build an audience.
    Email marketing should be the end goal of any traffic generation strategy. Your list is where you’ll build relationships with subscribers and promote affiliate offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author B3dj0
    Very nice articles! I think we don't need any SEO right now
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  • Profile picture of the author branko
    Thank you for a good post!

    But Google Plus and Youtube are Google products!
    Great list of traffic strategies that we already know!
    The important thing is to work on these strategies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Blade Runner 77
    thanks for this info
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  • Profile picture of the author waysmeans
    I go through the post (14 Free Traffic Strategies...). I found it very-2 useful information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
    Guys, we're not tired of this yet?

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  • Profile picture of the author nasuryono
    Those are quite common techniques. The fastest way to get traffic is by paying for it, which unfortunately is not discussed in depth.

    It could be useful for beginners though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim S
    Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

    While not totally a non-Google approach to traffic, this is a good solid article about getting more visitors to your site.

    In addition, the posts starts with a look at his own sites numbers.

    http://www.stevescottsite.com/free-t...trategies-2012

    Joe Mobley
    Thank you for this link. I checked out his site and I thought it was a really good resource. No matter how much you know, you can always learn something new. For me it`s like reading a bible verse - you can read it a 100 times but on that 101th time you get an "ah ha" moment. It all depends are where you are in life, and in this case your business. I think its important to include all aspects of marketing and that way if Google slaps you for something, you`ve got other resources to draw on instead of putting all your eggs in one basket. I think Steves site gives you alot (not all) of different methods. I even found a link to another site from his on something I`ve been needing to learn about. Like Bill has mentioned - never stop learning!
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  • Profile picture of the author deelouise864
    Awesome!! He is teaching the way I am doing....Hooray!!! He teaches about knowing something about your niche and gaining trust from the people you expect to sell too. How refreshing to put honesty back in business!!
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    Perhaps Paul does all of his financial calculations using Zimbabwean dollars?
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      "Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn."

      - Benjamin Franklin
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      • Profile picture of the author David Keith
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        "Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn."

        - Benjamin Franklin
        I am far from ignorant sir. Mr. Franklin was not speaking to me. You have made several errors in judgement. That is on you...not me.

        If you really want to keep pushing, I stand behind my offer to take it all the way to the end.

        You can't make that kind of money with as much as you have revealed about how you are doing and it not be traceable. By the size of your claims you have significantly limited the number of media magazines your offers should be appearing in.

        Your corporation should appear on the inc.com results. That is if you are making that much and paying taxes. Most of those corporation can easily be eliminated. So it won't take long to get it down to a very reasonable number to check out.

        You won't see claiming to make 500 million, but I have wasted the amount of money it would take to investigate your claims on several less worthy causes in my day. The internet has been good to me.

        Your wild claims and repeated attempts to insult the intelligence of me and others just pisses me off to be very honest. I really don't care how much you make, but you are trying to act like you are the only one with a clue.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    "Oh what a tangled web we weave,When first we practise to deceive!"

    - Sir Walter Scott
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
        I'm still not jumping into this numbers game; but I do feel obligated to point out one place where you are very wrong:

        Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post


        Seriously, You've changed your story more times than Paris Hiltons knickers.
        From what I understand, she rarely even wears knickers .
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        • Profile picture of the author fin
          Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

          I'm still not jumping into this numbers game; but I do feel obligated to point out one place where you are very wrong:



          From what I understand, she rarely even wears knickers .
          Plus I hardly think MYOB has changed Paris Hilton's knickers, although he probably could is she finds out how much he earns.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
          Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

          Joe,

          That just means you haven't seen Paris Hiltons knickers.

          I have.



          .................................................. ...............anyone believe me?
          I just did a Google image search to see if it was possible. I was better off not knowing.

          *Shudders*
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

          Joe,

          That just means you haven't seen Paris Hiltons knickers.

          I have.



          .................................................. ...............anyone believe me?

          Joe is a young un. He probably has not seen any woman's knickers.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    "The glasses are pretty much all crystalled out, all bling-bling, but when you put them on you can’t really see.. so I don’t think you can't drive with them.. because you’ll get a ticket."

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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
      Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

      "The glasses are pretty much all crystalled out, all bling-bling, but when you put them on you can’t really see.. so I don’t think you can't drive with them.. because you’ll get a ticket."

      - Snookie, Jersey Shore, Season 2, Episode 2
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      "Yeahhhh buddy."

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  • Profile picture of the author ImamHariyanto
    Nice share dude

    But I think, google still can be good alternative to bring in huge traffic with targeted keyword (maybe for adsense site)
    But maybe forum also powerfull to drive targeted visitors to convert to a sale

    Just on our own choice

    No google, Not die
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    "Call or raise a bluffer".

    Kurt - basic poker tip.
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    lmao @ Paris Hiltons Knickers ;o)
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  • Profile picture of the author gibsonfive
    I liked that the thread goes off track,
    but thanks for the free traffic tips!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
    How I keep seeing things when we circle back to this:

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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      Maybe that's why the new Directory of Ezines is absolutely atrocious, lol.

      And if anyone says it's not I definitely call liar.
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        Maybe that's why the new Directory of Ezines is absolutely atrocious, lol.

        And if anyone says it's not I definitely call liar.
        What the heck is "the Directory of Ezines"?
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        • Profile picture of the author fin
          Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

          What the heck is "the Directory of Ezines"?
          You don't want to know. I think it was something that used to be good. Now there are hardly any ezines listed and only about half of them accepts articles. Most of them are absolutely pointless to anyone and you'd be much quicker finding them of Google and saving $200.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Keith
            Originally Posted by fin View Post

            You don't want to know. I think it was something that used to be good. Now there are hardly any ezines listed and only about half of them accepts articles. Most of them are absolutely pointless to anyone and you'd be much quicker finding them of Google and saving $200.
            Charlie Paige had some health issues. I know that has hurt his business this last year. He is better now health wise, but I agree his site needs some work. He lost focus and is trying to do too many other things instead of being great at "listing ezines".
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            • Profile picture of the author fin
              Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

              Charlie Paige had some health issues. I know that has hurt his business this last year. He is better now health wise, but I agree his site needs some work. He lost focus and is trying to do too many other things instead of being great at "listing ezines".
              Charlie seems like a great guy and gives out great advice. I just think it gets banded about on here quite a lot because of what it used to be. I hope Charlie eventually gets it looking better, even if he has to hire someone to do it. No doubt a ezine directory could be a great resource, but only if it delivers the goods.
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              • Profile picture of the author David Keith
                Originally Posted by fin View Post

                Charlie seems like a great guy and gives out great advice. I just think it gets banded about on here quite a lot because of what it used to be. I hope Charlie eventually gets it looking better, even if he has to hire someone to do it. No doubt a ezine directory could be a great resource, but only if it delivers the goods.
                Yea, charlie has been around about as long as anyone. He was in the IM game long before it got corrupted like it is now. He was one who worked with Allen Says on some stuff many moons ago. He promoted some "internet marketing tycoon" book allen put out. Probably 05 ish? He is based not far from me up near college station, tx. (a&m university).
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by fin View Post

                Charlie seems like a great guy and gives out great advice. I just think it gets banded about on here quite a lot because of what it used to be. I hope Charlie eventually gets it looking better, even if he has to hire someone to do it. No doubt a ezine directory could be a great resource, but only if it delivers the goods.

                I just recently bought access to DOE, and I thought it was rather sparse there.

                The thing is that I built mailing lists that enabled publishers to receive content from me through those lists. I have the lists, but no deep knowledge about who is on those lists. And, all I have is the email address of the publisher and the nature of the content they registered to receive.

                My lists are effective, but getting articles published through them is mostly a shot in the dark.

                If I had the chance to do it over, I would have certainly have done it differently.

                I bought the DOE because I was looking for ezines that accept paid advertising.

                The reality is that outside of the DOE, I have never been able to find any other resources that brings this information together, and I promise you that I have looked high and low. There are resources out there, but most of them contain information 5-7 years old, and most of their lists are out-of-date with at least 50% of their listings pointing to defunct ezines.

                I even tried to research and build my own list of ezines that are still alive, and again, with the current state of our search engines and the SEO shenanigans that have been going on, it is extraordinarily difficult to do proper research to find information we can trust.

                My assessment is that DOE is probably the best resource out there today, and yet, it lacks the depth I was looking to find personally.
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    If we must.

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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      I guess I'd like to know a few things as well. Not about how much money MYOB makes. From what I've seen, if he can get his articles published in different places there's no doubt he has at least built it up to a 7 figure income in 15 years.

      I was just wondering why you only promote to buyers. We all know how much lower conversions are with an affiliate link on a page.

      I'm interested to know why he doesn't just have a freebie to get them on the list, try to turn them into a buyer for a few weeks and then cull them from his list.

      Common sense tells me he would make a lot more money. Just curious.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Keith
        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        I guess I'd like to know a few things as well. Not about how much money MYOB makes. From what I've seen, if he can get his articles published in different places there's no doubt he has at least built it up to a 7 figure income in 15 years.

        I was just wondering why you only promote to buyers. We all know how much lower conversions are with an affiliate link on a page.

        I'm interested to know why he doesn't just have a freebie to get them on the list, try to turn them into a buyer for a few weeks and then cull them from his list.

        Common sense tells me he would make a lot more money. Just curious.
        I have wondered the same thing for a long time. Nothing I have done in the business and marketing world says that a good idea. Its far too cheap and easy to do...especially online.

        Stuff like that is just one more reason I would like to get to the bottom of this.

        Techniques like that along with wild income claims are the only reason I am pushing. I really don't care how much any of you make. But if someone can make 500 mil. I would like to learn how especially when they seem to be violating commonly perceived to be marketing best practices.
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    Bill, thanks for the DOE review. I was considering to join it, but have heard another reviews on several places saying that the ezine listings are out of date, non-responsive, the solo ads underdeliver/ not-delivering. Maybe it's better to contact the niche website owners who have mailing lists from Google, and contacting them, no? You can save the $200 for another quality solo ads.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Viramara View Post

      Maybe it's better to contact the niche website owners who have mailing lists from Google, and contacting them, no?

      That is fine, but you may find as I did that it is very difficult to find the bloggers who actually have mailing lists.

      If you can figure out the right query to use in Google to uncover that information, please feel free to share.
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    Interesting list.
    will take a look
    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author abbesnwk
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    Ok, Old and new methods and #6 rullzz
    Good info.
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  • Profile picture of the author subbun
    hey! that was awesome article thanks for the sharing, I am almost following all the things, but still one or two missing, thanks for sharing, I will follow all the things...
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      CB. doesn't have anywhere near the volume to support those numbers. they did 2.1 billion in sales in the last 14 years combined.

      I have almost never heard you mention any other systems such as cj, linkshare,... So either you are using amazon and are responsible for 2% ish of their total sales or you have been misleading a lot of people about your methods.

      lets keep this going. I am game.
      To try to keep things simple, I may have only mentioned Clickbank and Amazon, but my marketing system includes other major affiliate networks and even direct manufacturers as well:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4772719

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4649788

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4374652

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post3904506

      There is no "secret" or magic formula. Most of what I do, in fact is covered in this Clickbank product: Turn Words Into Traffic, which has been recommended frequently throughout my posts regarding this topic. It is also available now on Amazon.

      One can make an extremely comfortable income just by selling Amazon products with this method, instead of pumping out wimpy "review sites" and endlessly trying to get the sites to rank in Google. Unless you look at marketing as an integrated system of many components, including offline, you will never see these kind of numbers. Article syndication is only the beginning ...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6320707

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6189022

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6071716

      Building lists of buyers effectively prequalifies prospects for additional marketing, and weeds out the "tire kickers". Admittedly, some sales may be lost by not spending the time to "build relationships" with freebie seekers, but in this marketing model the "relationship" actually begins long before they buy.
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