Where can I find a mentor for free?

[David Keith]

yep, we are all just a bunch of jerks here. When i am not insulting members on WF, i am usually off killing kittens....jk guys. i like kittens.

Do you not find it the least bit odd that many people who have the ability to give you exactly what you seek have no interest in doing so almost entirely because of your attitude.

in fact, just a couple hours ago, a guy reached out to me for advice. Almost asking the exact same thing you were asking for, but with a much different attitude. I spent close to an hour on skype with him just today. I didn't charge him a dime.

and then later tonight, another individual who's thread i posted on reached out to me for additional help. Once again he was added to my skype, and likely will get some of my attention.

Seriously man your attitude is only hurting you... no one else.

[Paul Myers]

Maybe I'm the only one on here who can see this,

Delusions often have that attribute.

but this place is full of jerks.

I wouldn't say full, and I wouldn't say jerks. We do, however, have a healthy crop of petulant brats with entitlement issues.

A number of Very Smart People, David not least among them, tried to offer you constructive advice. As happens occasionally, there was an edge to some of that. Rather than stopping to consider the possible merits of that advice, you reacted like you'd been physically slapped. You let your ego take over.

There is little in the Universe as deliberately unaware as ego on a rampage.

And here, at the end, is the worst lesson of all: Had you said you were looking for someone who could help you out by answering a few questions occasionally, you'd likely have had more than a few qualified volunteers.

Shot in the foot, indeed.


Paul

[Paul Myers]

2. You had no argument the minute you joined this forum, because as you've just done, you probably constantly answer questions on this forum. Do you ask for a quarter every single time you respond or answer a question?

Hung by your own tongue. Lawdee, how I love the smell of fresh irony.

Lots of us answer questions every day, and we don't ask for anything in return. And lots of people use the forum as a whole as their mentor. Sound familiar? (There's an echo in here. There's an echo in here...)

Here's a novel approach you might try. Come in and ask your questions, after giving them careful thought, with an eye to a clear plan. If someone answers in a helpful way, say "Thank you. That's helpful." Then go do something with it, and tell them your results.

Crazy notion, I know, but it might just work.


Paul

[David Keith]

ckbank, You know the only thing that bothers me about situations like this is that I am nearly 100% sure I can help you.

Despite all that has gone in this thread here is my offer. I will be online about 14 hours tomorrow. doing web stuff and day trading.

my skype ID is just to the left in my profile. You add me to skype and contact me. I will be willing to spend an hour or so going over where you are at and what i think you need to do to take your business to the next level.

I have made my living online for more than 16 years in more niches than i can even count. I have used just about every legal method to monetize web properties big and small. Its highly likely I can help you.

I will make no mention of this thread and its shenanigans. I am just offering to help.

The ball is in your court now.

[ckbank]

Originally Posted by David Keith

yep, we are all just a bunch of jerks here. When i am not insulting members on WF, i am usually off killing kittens....jk guys. i like kittens.

Do you not find it the least bit odd that many people who have the ability to give you exactly what you seek have no interest in doing so almost entirely because of your attitude.

in fact, just a couple hours ago, a guy reached out to me for advice. Almost asking the exact same thing you were asking for, but with a much different attitude. I spent close to an hour on skype with him just today. I didn't charge him a dime.

and then later tonight, another individual who's thread i posted on reached out to me for additional help. Once again he was added to my skype, and likely will get some of my attention.

Seriously man your attitude is only hurting you... no one else.

Dude, go back and see when my attitude changed. Go back and see what changed my attitude. And go back and see whose attitude sucked in the first place. Nothing gives you the right to answer a simple question with backhanded compliments.

One more thing. What you've just posted is in no way related to the previous post. Doesn't it suck to reach the end of your inductive reasoning skills and change subjects to appear humble and righteous?

[David Keith]

I tried...

[ckbank]

Originally Posted by David Keith

ckbank, You know the only thing that bothers me about situations like this is that I am nearly 100% sure I can help you.

Despite all that has gone in this thread here is my offer. I will be online about 14 hours tomorrow. doing web stuff and day trading.

my skype ID is just to the left in my profile. You add me to skype and contact me. I will be willing to spend an hour or so going over where you are at and what i think you need to do to take your business to the next level.

I have made my living online for more than 16 years in more niches than i can even count. I have used just about every legal method to monetize web properties big and small. Its highly likely I can help you.

I will make no mention of this thread and its shenanigans. I am just offering to help.

The ball is in your court now.

Thanks, but no thanks. Good luck to all. I have nothing else to say.

[Paul Myers]

I have nothing else to say.

As you wish...

[MissTerraK]

Originally Posted by David Keith

ckbank, You know the only thing that bothers me about situations like this is that I am nearly 100% sure I can help you.

Despite all that has gone in this thread here is my offer. I will be online about 14 hours tomorrow. doing web stuff and day trading.

my skype ID is just to the left in my profile. You add me to skype and contact me. I will be willing to spend an hour or so going over where you are at and what i think you need to do to take your business to the next level.

I have made my living online for more than 16 years in more niches than i can even count. I have used just about every legal method to monetize web properties big and small. Its highly likely I can help you.

I will make no mention of this thread and its shenanigans. I am just offering to help.

The ball is in your court now.

David,

I just wanted to thank you for your generous offer as I'm quite sure the recipient of it won't give you one.

I'm also embarrassed by the rude comment and bad form you received in response to your offer and would like to say I'm sorry, as again, I'm sure you won't get one of those either.

I'm reminded of why I love this forum in your actions.

By the way, the way you showed the error of the ckbank's ways, then offered to help him is indeed the methodology of a great coach.

I for one appreciated it as others did I'm sure. Well, except for the recipient.

Terra

[Paul Myers]

Terror,

ckbank had put himself into a position where he couldn't allow himself the option of accepting David's offer. He had too much ego invested in the casting of his little drama, with David in the role of Snidely Whiplash and himself as little Nell.

If he comes back when the ban expires and reprises the role, I'm going to go cross-over, and introduce him to Boris Badenov.


Paul

[David Keith]

The truth is that guys like him just really dont understand the way things work. To them, it's always someone else's fault.

He gave every excuse for this thread not meeting his needs. He never took any responsibility for any of it himself.

He never saw why many of us were explaining the reasons good mentors don't do much for free. in fact, he became the perfect example of why decent mentors charge at least a small fee... to weed out guys like him.

I guess i am going to have to start wearing my kid gloves around here so as not to offend any thin skinned people.

[Paul Myers]

David,

Yep.

It's interesting to watch how people respond to a perceived "challenge." Some implode, like this fellow. Others rise to it, and after they have the obligatory fit, realize the intent is to be helpful. Those folks often end up becoming serious contributors.

A useful gauge. And enlightening.


Paul

[Herbowo]

I see.. Some warriors get banned from this thread
and I think they deserve it,, since it was so rude comment there

Originally Posted by David Keith

my skype ID is just to the left in my profile. You add me to skype and contact me. I will be willing to spend an hour or so going over where you are at and what i think you need to do to take your business to the next level...

so, will your offer made also for other warrior except him? (ckbank)

[Paul Myers]

I see.. Some warriors get banned from this thread
and I think they deserve it,, since it was so rude comment there

Temporary, this time around.

A little snark and abrasive commentary is generally acceptable. This isn't the Kindergarten Forum, after all. But there are limits, and this guy has been pushing them on a regular basis.

A few recent occurrences have lowered our tolerance for certain types of commentary.


Paul

[Fast List Pro]

Edit: just noticed you have been banned.

[Chris-]

Find somone posting how they've succeeded doing something you want to do, and ask them to help you.

Chris

[MissTerraK]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Terror...
Paul

Splorf!

Haha! You just gave me the giggles that I'm sure are going to stick with me for the rest of the day.

Yerra or Terror, pick one, wouldja!

Of course Terra would work too. Even I get that right 99.99 percent of the time.

Terra

[David Keith]

Originally Posted by Herbowo

so, will your offer made also for other warrior except him? (ckbank)

my skype id is not hidden. it hasn't been in a very long time.

Of course, if you try to sell me stuff, i will ban you.

If you don't respect my time, i will block you.

If you chose to use me to answer all your questions rather than take some initiative and use google or other resources, you will be blocked.

Basically if you attempt to abuse my offer, I will take appropriate action.

[bibs]

Wow. If David offered me his help, I'll accept it even we had an argument. Don't let your ego get in the way.

[cashp0wer]

I can't imagine a real true mentor that really knows his stuff would offer his services for free. I know I wouldn't. Answering questions, etc. is another thing but completely mentoring someone takes time and energy, and the mentor should be paid for his time.

[Mark Andrews]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Watch it, Nikko...

I was sat on the loo earlier thinking about this comment from Paul Myers. Nikko I was thinking. Nikko? Nikko what? Of course it took a pm from him explaining the name... the flying monkey gods from the film in 1939 The Wizard of Oz.

Even then I didn't make the connection until (as is usual when sat on the bog) I had one of those Eureka! moments (no pun intended ) and joined the dots together...

WTF? A Flying Witch and (duhhhhh lol) Nikko king of the flying monkey gods...

Flying Monkeys attack - YouTube

[rob9482]

I think your best bet is to have a look around this forum start interacting with people on here get to know a few guys and I'm sure you will learn a lot from the people on here because once you know them you can ask for advice or help along the way you don't particularly need one mentor just maybe a group of friends that have a wide knowledge base that you can discuss things with on a regular basis.

[Nathan2525]

Originally Posted by ckbank

Basically, I am not a complete newb, but from the looks of it, people who succeed in IM are the ones who found mentors. Where does one find a mentor for free?

No decent IM will mentor for free unless you are friends with them.

It's all about ROI:

I pay my coach $150 per hour and I am now making thousands
of extra dollars each month because of it.

"Most small business owners believe they cannot afford
marketing. Response: Marketing is the best ROI activity you
can do" Jay Abraham

This advice is gold. It equally applies to mentoring.

[HelpingYouBeAnExpert]

if the situation was reverse would you do it for free?

[Joseph Robinson]

*Peeks in* I wonder if the three above me realize what they said has already been said, and that the OP is currently on vacation...

*Backs out of thread slowly while creeper staring*

[Michael D Forbes]

I just knew this thread was going to get better! Did we get two bans out of it?

Paul can you ban Joe for being a creeper?

Hat-Trick!

[Joseph Robinson]

Originally Posted by Michael D Forbes

I just knew this thread was going to get better! Did we get two bans out of it?

Paul can you ban Joe for being a creeper?

Hat-Trick!

I thought that was the whole reason I was allowed to stay. Every forum needs one.

[Aemilia]

wonderful responses....
@CKbank... if you want a mentor, you gata show you really deserve one... the business world is not for thin skins... and don't hope for free!
you may find one though, it will just cost you more.....

[Paul Myers]

Michael,

Hat-Trick!

I know this one!

"Hey, Rocky. Watch me pull a hat out of this rabbit... Nothin' up muh sleeves... Wait. How'd that get there?"

[xaron]

At the risk of sounding like I'm hijacking the thread (come to think of it, maybe I am, but it's for a good cause), I wonder if this topic can be salvaged and sail back into calmer waters. Instead of focusing on the current topic / OP, perhaps tweak it a little and have the veterans offer their advice on how newbies can find some truly genuine and successful "allies" within WF, that are open to helping those still trying to make it.

When I first started reading this thread I was intrigued by the title, thinking (as others have already mentioned) "why on earth would anyone successful wish to spend their time fielding questions from newbies, let alone mentor them for free?"

Surely, even the most selfless of entrepreneurs would find it taxing, given the sheer number of people wanting help. Still, I was curious and wondered if the adage "if you don't ask, you don't get" held true in this instance. It never dawned on me to find a "mentor". Simply because I felt they wouldn't have the time / desire, or it would be too expensive (regardless of the number of questions or hand holding involved).

Is there a certain way of going about contacting a successful entrepreneur that would get their attention (in a positive way)? Is it enough if you have nothing else to offer other than time, a desire to succeed and a healthy dose of humility? If not, are there "rates" for a one on one session? I don't want to carpet bomb peoples inbox with "newbie greetings", nor do I want to upset anyone or have them hit delete without even having read my PM because the title was poorly worded. General "do's and don'ts" would be very helpful.

There are a lot of well-intentioned warriors here that have always provided sound advice whenever I've posted about IM related issues. However, I wouldn't mind trying a different approach this time around. A one on one with someone that has actually made it and is earning good money within IM. Someone with the experience that could give me some honest advice about where I'm at, the next steps and whether my project is worth pursuing. A few questions here and there or a short conversation would probably suffice.

N.B. If anyone has me in their crosshairs (for whatever reason), please...put the safety back on and put the gun down! I come in peace! *waves white flag*

[Joseph Robinson]

Originally Posted by xaron

At the risk of sounding like I'm hijacking the thread (come to think of it, maybe I am, but it's for a good cause), I wonder if this topic can be salvaged and sail back into calmer waters. Instead of focusing on the current topic / OP, perhaps tweak it a little and have the veterans offer their advice on how newbies can find the some truly genuine and successful "allies" within WF, that are open to helping those still trying to make it.

For free? Find the people who's opinion you like, respect, and who's facts can be verified through evidence or your own testing. Reach out to them. Not a 100% success rate; but anyone thinking it would be is simply foolish.

Paid? A quick search in the WSO forum for the keywords "mentor" and "coach" returns 166 results. That's not even counting the classified sections, potentially the JV section, signatures, and other websites.

The answer is right in front of anyone looking for it.

[David Keith]

@xaron what a dumb question...jk...i had to.

There are several things that go into finding people to help you.

first of all, as displayed in this thread, we all have egos. One of the fastest ways to get a person to notice you is to stroke their ego a bit. compliment them. Very few people will ignore this and not take notice.

As for finding a mentor for free. The word mentor can mean so many things to so many different people. For some, it means hold your hand and teach you baby steps about every single aspect of everything. No one will do that for free.

For some, its more of a one time consult where a person who has "been there done that" can offer a few pieces of wisdom and guidance. That happens everyday here in group form and many of us do some of this one on one as well with people we see potential in.

For others, they are really needing a life coach more than a business mentor. These are people who really don't need a true professional mentor but rather an accountability partner. Those people are much easier to find and often develop out of loosely formed friendships. They don't require either party to be an expert marketer, they just require 2 people pushing each other to DO more.

And for others, they really just need a person who they respect to give them a vote of confidence and encourage them a bit. Many fail to take much action because they do not believe their actions will have the affect they desire. Sometimes all thats needed to provoke massive action is a person in a "leadership" type of position to say..."you are on the right track...keep going". That also happens a lot on WF.

[xaron]

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

For free? Find the people who's opinion you like, respect, and who's facts can be verified through evidence or your own testing. Reach out to them. Not a 100% success rate; but anyone thinking it would be is simply foolish.

Paid? A quick search in the WSO forum for the keywords "mentor" and "coach" returns 166 results. That's not even counting the classified sections, potentially the JV section, signatures, and other websites.

The answer is right in front of anyone looking for it.

I wouldn't mind doing both actually.

The free option would take time but again, I'm wondering how receptive these people are to "strangers" contacting them.

If you're a high roller and you have people left and right filling up your inbox with "mentor needed" PM's, I'd imagine you'd ignore those and just answer the ones from the people you knew. At best, pick a few newbies to respond to, based on what caught your eye in the PM title. That's why I wondering about the do's and don'ts.

As for the paid option, of the 166 results you probably know exactly which ones to go for (if indeed you needed mentoring / general one on one advice in the first place). I'm at a disadvantage there.

[TorinoGray]

Originally Posted by David Keith

@xaron what a dumb question...jk...i had to.

There are several things that go into finding people to help you.

first of all, as displayed in this thread, we all have egos. One of the fastest ways to get a person to notice you is to stroke their ego a bit. compliment them. Very few people will ignore this and not take notice.

David,

You're not only a powerful man, but a handsome man.. I knew right away you were a force to be reckoned with..

Mentor me?

JK

[svk_hereiam]

You can find good training programs and good mentors as well... I have personally learnt from a couple of such training programs. I try to pass on the information I learnt to to newbies...

[Joseph Robinson]

Originally Posted by xaron

I wouldn't mind doing both actually.

The free option would take time but again, I'm wondering how receptive these people are to "strangers" contacting them.

If you're a high roller and you have people left and right filling up your inbox with "mentor needed" PM's, I'd imagine you'd ignore those and just answer the ones from the people you knew. At best, pick a few newbies to respond to, based on what caught your eye in the PM title. That's why I wondering about the do's and don'ts.

It's been my experience that some will answer, some won't. You'd be surprised at how helpful some Warriors can be. I used to know the feeling of being afraid of asking for help. You get over it by just doing it though.

You're also right that some won't answer. They have other things to do, don't feel obligated, or like you said just block PM's from people they don't know. It all depends on how you word things and how you come across on the forum a lot of the time. Don't look like a spammer and you won't be treated like one .

Originally Posted by xaron

As for the paid option, of the 166 results you probably know exactly which ones to go for (if indeed you needed mentoring / general one on one advice in the first place). I'm at a disadvantage there.

I could probably spot the crap ones, yes. I'm proud of my BS meter. As to which ones would be the best, probably not actually. I never received (or have given) one on one coaching myself, so I only have an arbitrary set of standards in my head that could be far from what a newbie expects.

[Butazi]

Originally Posted by ckbank

Maybe I'm the only one on here who can see this, but this place is full of jerks.

Here's a summary of what happened:

1. I asked a question
2. Answer: smart people can ask dumb questions and you gotta pay for a mentor - in other words - my question was dumb - and I gotta make one of you a bit richer to learn some basics
3. I defend myself against verbal inappropriateness
4. I get attacked again

Here's a summary of what should have happened.

1. TC asked a question
2. Answer: smart people can ask dumb questions and you gotta pay for a mentor - in other words - the question was dumb - and TC's gotta make one of you a bit richer to learn some basics
3. TC laughs about it and realizes that it was a dumb question, but he is smart, then says oops and other WF members give helpful advice with some side trolling since it's all in good fun
4. Topic dies down and TC get's an idea of what to do next.


And as for the guy who asked to go to McDonalds and ask for free food, it works (low % of the time). I got free fries just asking after an order, and got double meat on a subway sub (no extra charge) because I asked .

I'm 99.999% sure it won't work in this case, ha.

[Karen Blundell]

Originally Posted by ckbank

Maybe I'm the only one on here who can see this, but this place is full of jerks.

Here's a summary of what happened:

1. I asked a question
2. Answer: smart people can ask dumb questions and you gotta pay for a mentor - in other words - my question was dumb - and I gotta make one of you a bit richer to learn some basics
3. I defend myself against verbal inappropriateness
4. I get attacked again

Who is unprofessional in this scenario?

P.S. I thought I would ask how go get a mentor for free, because I read a very inspiring book about a guy who was deep in debt and ended up making millions with the help of a good Samaritan.

That's not what I am looking for anyway. A mentor to me is a friend or an acquaintance I can ask couple of questions on a weekly basis. That's all. Keep up your bullying and good luck. I can succeed without this forum.

wow! Listen, when you are self-employed, your time means money. Your mentor's time is valuable, and he or she, like you, needs to earn a living. You should understand that, and not feel like you're entitled to get free mentoring.

If you would have come on here and posted something like this:

I need a mentor, and even though I have no funds to pay yet, is there anyone who would be interested in a barter arrangement? I will do "xyz" in exchange for your help.

I would have helped you in a heartbeat and so would others, I'm sure.

Even if you didn't mean to come across like the way you did, unfortunately you did, and now people think you have a bad attitude. Be careful how you post, if you didn't mean to come across that way!

Are you willing to work and trade your services for a mentor? If yes, then maybe, you'll find someone on here who'll help you.

[SmokyMtnBoy]

It probably won't happen for free. Finding a marketer who is willing to help you succeed rather than profiting off of you is a job in itself.

Just learn from the school of hard knocks like everyone else. Not being a smarty pants but it will improve your skills as a marketer.

Just follow through with any projects. And don't leave it for dead if you don't make money instantly. Kick it a few more times before killing it. You will go thru lots of useless crap like everyone else here.

What chops my hide is when ppl have these untested ideas and create a wso touting how it's the next big thing. Then others selling wso's on how to pay a writer and create wso's.

There needs to be reform in all of these forums.

[Joseph Robinson]

Originally Posted by Butazi

And as for the guy who asked to go to McDonalds and ask for free food, it works (low % of the time). I got free fries just asking after an order, and got double meat on a subway sub (no extra charge) because I asked .

I'm 99.999% sure it won't work in this case, ha.

As someone who worked in fast food for way too long, a hint: they know what you're doing and they hate you for it. They just aren't allowed to say anything.

[xaron]

@David Keith

Given your anecdote about egos, this reeks of irony but I have to compliment you on a great post. Not everything "clicks" with me on WF but some people just have a way with words that make sense every time.

Using your terminology, I think a consult is what I need. Someone that I know is 100% legit and established within the WF community, honest and is to some extent "living the dream".

I wouldn't mind building a few friendships on WF and getting advice that way too but I just assumed if you're new then no one further up the ladder would have the time to talk shop with you.

@hereiam

Unfortunately, training programs go over my head. It's not that they're necessarily complicated, I just find my eyes start to glaze over after a while and the "voice" turning into an unintelligible "warble" akin to the sound of Charlie Browns teacher from Peanuts. Maybe I'm old school, but I much prefer "real time" conversations, whether it's in person, over the phone or otherwise.

[azmanar]

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

As someone who worked in fast food for way too long, a hint: they know what you're doing and they hate you for it. They just aren't allowed to say anything.

lol .... you never stop...

Every time I go to Starbucks to buy a pack of Italian roast coffee beans, I'd always ask for a free cup of coffee. They obliged every time.

I sure wish I could do the same at the bank.

[David Keith]

@xaron - my skype id is in my profile.

as for training programs. The real issue most have with them is either they are poorly designed and just very overwhelming or they go at a pace that is either too slow or too fast to fit each persons needs.

also, a lot of these programs are designed with selling them being a much bigger priority than them actually working for users.

If i had to recommend one, it would be the chris farrell site. It is probably one of the best for newbie to intermediate marketers, but honestly its pretty overwhelming to a lot of people.

[Butazi]

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

As someone who worked in fast food for way too long, a hint: they know what you're doing and they hate you for it. They just aren't allowed to say anything.

Why would they hate me for it? I order my food then just ask for free food. They say no most of the time. Of course they know what I'm doing, I am asking them for food!

I honestly can't see this as being taken the wrong way. It's not like I go up to BK and ask, "Hey can I get 3 hamburgers for free".

Hell, most of the time it's me charming my way for free food. I don't try it on guys, I'd imagine it wouldn't work as well.

[Lance K]

I see that the OP is banned. This is for anyone still looking for an answer to their original question.

Make a plan, go do something, & learn from your mistakes. Then tweak your plan, go do more stuff, & learn from your next mistakes. Repeat.

That's esentially what a mentor is going to help you understand.

So use the forum as a type of mentor. Ask good/specific questions regarding any of the above (planning, doing, & learning) and you'll get plenty of help.

[azmanar]

Originally Posted by Butazi

I honestly can't see this as being taken the wrong way. It's not like I go up to BK and ask, "Hey can I get 3 hamburgers for free".

Hell, most of the time it's me charming my way for free food. I don't try it on guys, I'd imagine it wouldn't work as well.

How about making a FREE WSO titled:

" Hey can I get 3 hamburgers for free ? "
Charming my way for Free food.

j/k.

[Butazi]

Ahahaha, well played.

[lilphilupt]

Even though a lot of folks that offer coaching charge, you always have those super generous warriors that wouldn't mind mentoring you for free. Your in the right place for sure, i hope you find someone that has the free time and that is willing to do so. I have been in that same position before, God bless.

[larry1113]

Originally Posted by ckbank

Basically, I am not a complete newb, but from the looks of it, people who succeed in IM are the ones who found mentors. Where does one find a mentor for free?

If you want a serious and good mentor you're going to have to pay for it. MOST of the time.

You could go to live events and offer to buy them dinner or a beer, that could work.

But long term mentoring is not going to come free. Think about it. If you want a successful mentor then he/she's time is worth a lot of money per hour.

I'd be prepared to pay for that time

It's worth it though!

[hugofortin]

Originally Posted by prem khaira

ask and you shall receive

Hi,

You just need to ask. If you believe in visualization, you should do it.

Also, you should look for a mentor with traits:
Yours mentor must:
1. Have something that also have or experience
2. Agree to mentor you (access to, not on TV)
3. Be someone who can tell you no to you
4. Have a lifestyle that you respect in every facets
5. Be someone that you can be honest with, no manner what

Hugo