Is it worth moving a low traffic site to a Managed VPS?

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My website was doing pretty well on a GoDaddy US legacy shared server hosting at one stage getting to over 10,000 unique visitors a month.

Then they told me I needed to move the site to a 4GH shared server to be able to use upto date features such as the latest WordPress etc. The server was also based in Europe.

I did this and six months later I have lost 95% of my search engine traffic and a lot of sales consequently.

I have since learnt from the Warrior Forum members, never to host with GoDaddy or to host with your domain name provider.

So I want to move hosting provider.

So my question is, is it worth moving from $12 per month unlimited GoDaddy hosting to the $49/$50 for WiredTree/Liquid Web Managed VPS hosting? Especially since my sales have fallen and I have to rebuild.

Or is it better to stay on a shared server (perhaps with Hostgator in the US), build up the sales and then move to a VPS but then have to move server and change IP address again etc.

I just want to avoid losing the traffic once more like I did this time so am thinking perhaps it is better to start with a VPS so I don't have to change in the future as my traffic builds.

It would be great to hear your advice and your experiences with this kind of situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author micksss
    If you are certain that you will build up your traffic again and will require a VPS then avoiding changing again would be easier but a waste while you don't require it. Consider using a web hosting company that has shared hosting plans, VPS and dedicated solutions, e.g Hostgator or InMotion Hosting, so that you can upgrade easier as your site grows again.
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  • Profile picture of the author spirtx
    Why don't you use hostgator or other of the common hosting companies?Or if you think you can rebuild your traffic and will take your investment back go for a VPS
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    • Profile picture of the author BackLinkiT
      I would be surprised if your hosting was the cause of the loss of traffic...could it have been a panda or a penguin perhaps?
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      • Profile picture of the author getano
        I would go with a VPS to avoid the extra hustle. I am tired of moving websites aroud. And there are things you can forget when moving websites between hosting providers.
        I am using JaguarPC, which are pretty cheap and they are offering good service quality and customer support
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      • Profile picture of the author RahulNag
        Originally Posted by BackLinkiT View Post

        I would be surprised if your hosting was the cause of the loss of traffic...could it have been a panda or a penguin perhaps?
        Well Penguin might have played a part as I have been losing traffic over the last six months from December 2011 onwards.

        However, someone on the Web Hosting Talk Forum thinks that the GoDaddy 4GH load times might have played a part as does my web developer.

        Whatever, I must move from GoDaddy and I want to move to a US based server.

        What do you think about enterprise/semi-dedicated hosting as another potential option?

        I believe I can build up the traffic again but obviously this may take a while.

        @spirtx - the issue is that if I move from server to server or host to host I don't want to have the same issues I have now. Ideally I can go somewhere and stay there for years with multiple domains.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
          Let me give you a little better response than my last post, as I didn't have time to go into detail.

          Well Penguin might have played a part as I have been losing traffic over the last six months from December 2011 onwards.

          However, someone on the Web Hosting Talk Forum thinks that the GoDaddy 4GH load times might have played a part as does my web developer.
          I whole-heatedly agree with this. GoDaddy's hosting is absolute crap. Don't fall for the "oh it's 4GH", it means absolutely nothing. It's nothing more than servers behind a load balancer.


          Whatever, I must move from GoDaddy and I want to move to a US based server.

          What do you think about enterprise/semi-dedicated hosting as another potential option?

          I believe I can build up the traffic again but obviously this may take a while.

          @spirtx - the issue is that if I move from server to server or host to host I don't want to have the same issues I have now. Ideally I can go somewhere and stay there for years with multiple domains.
          There are plenty of quality web hosts out there. Check the Special Offers section here, as well as the offers section on WebHostingTalk.

          WiredTree is a good provider for VPS's, but I'd recommend you moved back to decent shared hhost that runs a quality environment.

          Mny people won't want to believe it, but I'm willing to lay money on it that GoDaddy's slow, overloaded hosting is what's killing you. You may think my opinion, is biased because I own a web hosting company, but search around and you'll see.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geoff101
    People here told you the truth; GoDadday is one of the worst host out there.

    Your hosting needs depend on the requirements of your applications/software. For example a forum software with that many unique vistors won't work well with most shared hosts.

    But a Wordpress site with no demanding plugin and caching turned on will do just fine.

    10K uniques can do fine on shared host if your website has less demanding components.

    Try NOT to go for unlimited shared hosts. That's just a marketing gimmick. There is no such thing as Unlimited. They are over sellers.

    Visit webhostingtalk.com, it's one the best forum on Hosting. Try to find reviews there.

    Personally, I recommend Hawk Host or Stable host for shared hosting.

    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
    If you're looking for a VPS, my vote is on WiredTree.
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  • Profile picture of the author roblawrence
    What about WPEngine? That's a wordpress managed host. I'm considering using them but they're very expensive.
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      • Profile picture of the author azmanar
        Hi,

        I would like to chime in.

        Highly recommended VPS hosts are VopaHost ( warrior ), WiredTree ( nothing but good comments ), GigaPros ( great offers & quick customer service) and Dediserve ( UK-based ).

        Take note, if you want to run CPanel in a VPS, you need a minimum of 512MB ram. Otherwise, when your traffic grows, it will go pretty slow.

        Probably, your traffic loss is due to a slow server response rather than Panda.

        Google and other SEs factor in speed of page loads into their SERP algo.

        So, do not rely too much from 1 traffic source to buffer some algo change effects.

        Lastly, consider using CDNs such as CloudFlare & Incapsula to speed up the delivery of your static & dynamic content.

        If your server is quite a distance from your targeted markets, then the use of CDN will be very, very helpful. Saves bandwidth ( saves cost ) and speeds up loading ( happy visitors ).
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        • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
          Originally Posted by vietnap View Post

          I only hear good things about WPEngine. They do invest a lot in their infrastructure. In other hand, I see many "WordPress hosting vendors", but they are just normal hosting with Softaculous, that helps to install WordPress easier. However, doing by that way, it's not secured.

          I just had a coffee break with a theme wrangler of Automattic this morning, and he said they are talking a lot about managed WordPress hosting internally.

          What do you expect from a WordPress hosting vendor, and how much you want to spend?
          Installing Wordpress via Fantastico or Softaculous does not make it any less secure than manually installing it. Just because you can change the db prefix, means nothing.

          Originally Posted by azmanar View Post

          Hi,

          I would like to chime in.

          Highly recommended VPS hosts are VopaHost ( warrior ), WiredTree ( nothing but good comments ), GigaPros ( great offers & quick customer service) and Dediserve ( UK-based ).

          Take note, if you want to run CPanel in a VPS, you need a minimum of 512MB ram. Otherwise, when your traffic grows, it will go pretty slow.

          Probably, your traffic loss is due to a slow server response rather than Panda.

          Google and other SEs factor in speed of page loads into their SERP algo.

          So, do not rely too much from 1 traffic source to buffer some algo change effects.

          Lastly, consider using CDNs such as CloudFlare & Incapsula to speed up the delivery of your static & dynamic content.

          If your server is quite a distance from your targeted markets, then the use of CDN will be very, very helpful. Saves bandwidth ( saves cost ) and speeds up loading ( happy visitors ).
          Thanks for the recommendation Azman.
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        • Profile picture of the author RahulNag
          Originally Posted by azmanar View Post

          Hi,

          I would like to chime in.

          Highly recommended VPS hosts are VopaHost ( warrior ), WiredTree ( nothing but good comments ), GigaPros ( great offers & quick customer service) and Dediserve ( UK-based ).

          Take note, if you want to run CPanel in a VPS, you need a minimum of 512MB ram. Otherwise, when your traffic grows, it will go pretty slow.

          Probably, your traffic loss is due to a slow server response rather than Panda.

          Google and other SEs factor in speed of page loads into their SERP algo.

          So, do not rely too much from 1 traffic source to buffer some algo change effects.

          Lastly, consider using CDNs such as CloudFlare & Incapsula to speed up the delivery of your static & dynamic content.

          If your server is quite a distance from your targeted markets, then the use of CDN will be very, very helpful. Saves bandwidth ( saves cost ) and speeds up loading ( happy visitors ).
          Azmanar thank you very much for this post.

          Could you explain a little more about CDNs. I don't quite understand exactly how they work. My Google PageSpeed ranking is currently at 72/100.

          The first thing I am doing is to move the hosting provider. How will CDN help me on top of being with a hosting provider which does not over-sell server space?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
            Originally Posted by RahulNag View Post

            Azmanar thank you very much for this post.

            Could you explain a little more about CDNs. I don't quite understand exactly how they work. My Google PageSpeed ranking is currently at 72/100.

            The first thing I am doing is to move the hosting provider. How will CDN help me on top of being with a hosting provider which does not over-sell server space?
            I'll chime in as well with Azman on this.

            Using a CDN will help you as far as caching static content throughout that CND's network. If a viewer is closer to one of the CDN's servers, that content will be served from there, not your server. This will reduce both load times of the site as well as loads on your server/hosting.

            A web host that does not oversell space/bandwidth will be able to provide you with a WAY better quality environment. Remember, servers are physical devices, as are disks which have physical limits. There's no such thing as unlimited disk space/bandwidth - it's a marketing gimmick. Massively oversold environments will have thousands of accounts piled onto one server/cluster, which will ultimately result in slower response times & db queries. You'll see this the most with the "bargain hosts", the ones that claim to give you unlimited space/bandwidth or 100's of GB of space for $2/month.

            Another factor is the server RAID config. RAID 10 is pretty much the best config right now. Exceptional read/write performance with excellent redundancy.

            I hope that answers any questions/concerns you had!

            -Brent
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          • Profile picture of the author azmanar
            Originally Posted by RahulNag View Post

            Azmanar thank you very much for this post.

            Could you explain a little more about CDNs. I don't quite understand exactly how they work. My Google PageSpeed ranking is currently at 72/100.

            The first thing I am doing is to move the hosting provider. How will CDN help me on top of being with a hosting provider which does not over-sell server space?
            Hi Rahul,

            I've written a summary about CDN in my blog. Will give you a good overview about it.

            Like Kingfish mentioned, your site content is cached at the nearest server to your visitors region. So when another visitor comes to your site, it loads that cached content at the visitor's PC in an instant. A CDN provider may have many caching servers all over the world to serve every region. That sums up the lengthy article I wrote in the blog. lol.

            You have 2 ways to connect your site with a CDN ( either with CloudFlare or Incapsula ):

            1. A Web Hosting Provider who has partnered with a CDN provider and integrated it as a function in the Cpanel. They make sure it works for you. ( VopaHost is one )

            2. Personally subscribing to a CDN provider at their web sites and link your server to it's services. Usually they have a dashboard to let you do that easily.

            Some people may argue that they do not need CDN just because they are using content caching plugins such W3 Total Cache and etc. But the problem is the cached content are still inside the Web Hosting Server. And your visitors do not live inside the Web Hosting Provider's network operation centres. lol.

            WordPress caching plugins do reduce the use of server resources in creating dynamic content. But the plugins do not help much in loading content at the visitors' local PCs. There are just scores of hops and networks the data need to pass through before reaching your visitors. A CDN overcomes this issue and become a bridge to directly deliver your data pretty fast - dynamic & static.

            I'm not sure what kind of content you're serving your visitors. So, I'll add another point. Serving video and audio streaming, need a different kind of CDN, other than the ones I mentioned earlier. All about it in my blog article.

            With CDNs, you would be optimizing the speed of your delivery for all sorts of content to your visitors.
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            • Profile picture of the author RahulNag
              So I am moving to MDD Hosting. Although they have let me down so far with the transfer. I thought it would be done in 48 hours and still not happened.

              Anyway, assuming it does get sorted out, they say they have CloudFlare within their cPanel.

              I understand this is a major CDN but some of the reviews about it are quite negative. So, is this one of the CDNs you would recommend working with?
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              • Profile picture of the author damoncloudflare
                Originally Posted by RahulNag View Post

                So I am moving to MDD Hosting. Although they have let me down so far with the transfer. I thought it would be done in 48 hours and still not happened.

                Anyway, assuming it does get sorted out, they say they have CloudFlare within their cPanel.

                I understand this is a major CDN but some of the reviews about it are quite negative. So, is this one of the CDNs you would recommend working with?
                We have many sites using us without issue at all. And, depending on the age of the review, a lot of things have changed in the past year+.

                If you do activate through the hosting partner panel option, these tips will help with a lot of issues new users face. There are also some helpful troubleshooting tips as well here.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                Originally Posted by RahulNag View Post

                So I am moving to MDD Hosting. Although they have let me down so far with the transfer. I thought it would be done in 48 hours and still not happened.

                Anyway, assuming it does get sorted out, they say they have CloudFlare within their cPanel.

                I understand this is a major CDN but some of the reviews about it are quite negative. So, is this one of the CDNs you would recommend working with?
                How did everything end up working out? Are you all set & ready to go?
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                • Profile picture of the author RahulNag
                  Well I purchased the hosting at the end of last month.

                  I had set up a support ticket with some questions in it and then made the request for a transfer in that thread. So it was 'human error' as to the transfer being overlooked.

                  However the MD of the company personally contacted me and refunded me one month's hosting and is personally overseeing the transfer. So hope it will be done in a day or two.

                  Damon, thanks for letting me know about CloudFlare and the link.
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                  • Profile picture of the author damoncloudflare
                    Originally Posted by RahulNag View Post

                    Well I purchased the hosting at the end of last month.

                    I had set up a support ticket with some questions in it and then made the request for a transfer in that thread. So it was 'human error' as to the transfer being overlooked.

                    However the MD of the company personally contacted me and refunded me one month's hosting and is personally overseeing the transfer. So hope it will be done in a day or two.

                    Damon, thanks for letting me know about CloudFlare and the link.
                    Sure. Definitely let me know if you have any questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emil from Bavaria
    At first glance I read 10,000 a day. For 10,000 visitors a month a smaller VPS for $20-$30 should be fine I'd say, especially if it's just WordPress and not logged-in VBulletin users (but even for that a smaller VPS should be enough). Knownhost $35
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  • Profile picture of the author williamk
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    Vps would surely help you with that amount of traffic. I think a VPS with bluehost or Hostgator would be the best for you.
    Best of luck with your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author RahulNag
    Thanks for these comments. It looks like a shared hosting option with a quality host rather than the bigger companies may be the option.

    Also a lot of people have said GoDaddy's 4GH servers are no good and it could be their load time which has made an impact on my search engine traffic.

    So, I am doing a little more investigation and planning to move. Stablehost and MDD Hosting have a couple of premium shared hosting services where they restrict the number of accounts hosted. They seem to be inbetween VPS and shared hosting.

    Unless I have misunderstood their offering.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
    Of the two, go with MDD. Michael Denny is a good guy. Stable host basically ripped Eleven2's site design, then made minor changes when it was brought to lite.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    As a hosting professional I would say you never need a VPS for a low-traffic website. It adds more expense and complexity than necessary. 'Shared' hosting on a cloud infrastructure is a cost effective way to improve your performance.
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  • Profile picture of the author hostwindsEvanM
    Cloudflare really is awesome. And it may be worth having a VPS as it will future proof you (instant upgrade/downgrade) not to mention having your own container provides some additional security.
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  • Profile picture of the author RahulNag
    So I have finally moved to MDD Hosting.

    As mentioned, there was a bit of a hiccup initially. It all seems to be working now though. Just finding my way round a couple of database issues. The main website and associated blog plus the second website being hosted there are working fine.

    I have cancelled the seemingly unending list of products I had with GoDaddy including some I cannot remember ordering never mind using.

    My Google Page Speed ranking has increased from 72 to 76 within just a few days of the move - without changing anything else apart from the hosting provider and package. It had moved to 74 a day or so ago so hopefully it will automatically increase and lead to an increase in traffic.

    One question I had was whether it is worth getting a dedicated IP address? I think it would cost $2 or $3 more. Is there any benefit to this. I don't currently have any SSL requirements and the cart etc is done via Clickbank.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
      Originally Posted by RahulNag View Post

      So I have finally moved to MDD Hosting.

      As mentioned, there was a bit of a hiccup initially. It all seems to be working now though. Just finding my way round a couple of database issues. The main website and associated blog plus the second website being hosted there are working fine.

      I have cancelled the seemingly unending list of products I had with GoDaddy including some I cannot remember ordering never mind using.

      My Google Page Speed ranking has increased from 72 to 76 within just a few days of the move - without changing anything else apart from the hosting provider and package. It had moved to 74 a day or so ago so hopefully it will automatically increase and lead to an increase in traffic.

      One question I had was whether it is worth getting a dedicated IP address? I think it would cost $2 or $3 more. Is there any benefit to this. I don't currently have any SSL requirements and the cart etc is done via Clickbank.
      That's great to hear, glad Michael got you all setup. He's a great guy and very knowledgeable.

      I'm not sure if MDD is going to give you an IP without an SSL, as far as I can remember, they follow the rules. There's no benefit over having a dedicated IP, despite what some people may tell you.
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  • Profile picture of the author bassem
    i am using hostgator and they seem good with high traffic level , also their support rocks!
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    • Profile picture of the author premiumdomains
      If it matters to hosting to lose traffic then do not bother about money. My choice is dedicated server. Dedicated Server has also lot of benefit regarding huge flow of traffic.

      I have very good experience with HOSTGATOR.

      Try hosgator. If you PM me I will give you discount coupon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Igal Zeifman
    Hi Rahul,
    I actually work at Incapsula so if you want to follow on Azmanar advice, keep me posted and I`ll be glad to help out a fellow Warrior.
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  • A HostGator shared hosting account can take a surprisingly high amount of traffic. Unless your site is conducting some crazy script-processing in the background, you do not need anything better than a shared account for 10k unique visitors a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tristan Gemus
    For just a simple website I would recommend HostGator and if that flops then move to a VPS or dedicated server if it is in your budget. I host over 50 domains receiving traffic on a third party shared hosting company with no issues whatsoever!
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