My 'which route to take' dilemma..any thoughts?

12 years ago

Hi Alan,

When you went to school, did you expect the teachers to be proficient in their topics?

It is unfortunate, but true that so many newbies think they can teach others to make money online. I think it is the excitement of making money themselves that gets them carried away - even though they have never done it themselves.

Now think about it. Does it make sense to jump into the ultra competitive niche of "make money online" when you have not done it yourself? You even share that you are not qualified and would "feel like a fraud".

Listen to your gut instincts. It is not good business sense. Don't do it.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by LilBlackDress

Hi Alan,

When you went to school, did you expect the teachers to be proficient in their topics?

It is unfortunate, but true that so many newbies think they can teach others to make money online. I think it is the excitement of making money themselves that gets them carried away - even though they have never done it themselves.

Now think about it. Does it make sense to jump into the ultra competitive niche of "make money online" when you have not done it yourself?

It is not good business sense. Don't do it.

Thanks for the reply...and yes the bottom line is my total gut instinct.

Reason i say about my skill levels is there might be a suggestion to consider selling my services here, but honestly i dont think I am proficient enough with web-related skills to do this, just now.

No it does not make sense 100%, BUT if i did put something together, with free ebook downloads etc that can be picked up here or other sources, it may well make a bit of money...can you sense the desperation here!!

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LilBlackDress

12 years ago

Originally Posted by asc

Thanks for the reply...and yes the bottom line is my total gut instinct.

Reason i say about my skill levels is there might be a suggestion to consider selling my services here, but honestly i dont think I am proficient enough with web-related skills to do this, just now.

No it does not make sense 100%, BUT if i did put something together, with free ebook downloads etc that can be picked up here or other sources, it may well make a bit of money...can you sense the desperation here!!

You sure can make money online but you are very unlikely to with a "make money online" niche and 0 experience.

Hone in on the area you enjoy that you feel good about your skill set. Then use that as a starting point to build your business.

People are always looking for skilled individuals to help with moving websites, building sites, customization and other services. This type of thing can really do well.
And you don't have to be a PHD in it. Just be skilled to where you can provide the service.

Don't even think about going down the make money online niche site when you haven't made any. Don't believe that giving free ebook downloads will lead you to money. It won't when you don't know what you are doing. I am telling you now you are wasting your time.

Do make use of what you truly have to offer and feel good about that people need.
Access your best skills. Go look at the WF or other sites and see what people are offering that you are skilled and can offer also. Make sure people are looking for that skill. Put together a simple offer and go for it.

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Will Edwards

12 years ago

Just what people need - someone who has no idea how to make money online trying to teach others

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Will Edwards

Just what people need - someone who has no idea how to make money online trying to teach others

I was very wary asking this question, for the obvious reason you have said here...i can imagine that poor quality information being sold is far from what is needed....but as i say, looking at all of the members here with links to their 'systems' or sites or whatever, I am guessing that most aren't actual gurus, yet i am also guessing that some are quite successful using this method, judging by the amount of people that pass through this forum.

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Will Edwards

12 years ago

Originally Posted by asc

I was very wary asking this question, for the obvious reason you have said here...i can imagine that poor quality information being sold is far from what is needed....but as i say, looking at all of the members here with links to their 'systems' or sites or whatever, I am guessing that most aren't actual gurus, yet i am also guessing that some are quite successful using this method, judging by the amount of people that pass through this forum.

Seriously friend, my advice is to leave this niche alone until you have succeeded elsewhere. You are right about value. That's what you need to provide and, with all due respect, you are in no position to do so in this niche.

Be successful first; then you can teach others.

And good luck to you.

Will

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DubDubDubDot

12 years ago

Originally Posted by asc

yet i am also guessing that some are quite successful using this method, judging by the amount of people that pass through this forum.

The question is, can you sleep at night after selling people bogus training materials?

Let's just be honest about this thread you've created. You are essentially asking if it's okay to start scamming people since you can't make a legit buck online. You probably don't like to think about it that way, but that's what it boils down to.

The best thing to do at this stage, IMO, is to pack your things up and move onto something else. You can't force things in life. Just because you have an interest in something doesn't mean it's a career fit for you. It may just be a good hobby. Remember, the vast majority of the internet was built as a labor of love hobby.

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The Great Gordino

12 years ago

If you're going into the make money niche, you'll have to do it with the 'follow my journey' angle, as many others have/are doing.

BTW, depression/mental health is a big niche with lots of products and ideas to go with - don't rush to dismiss those niches, people want help/information, and that's a market that you could tap into.

Cheers,
Gordon

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Tevis Verrett

12 years ago

Alan, gud boogly woogly. I have read most of page 1 before, being incensed to add my .03!

The making money genre is crowded. You have exhausted the information dissemination niche. . . so if you are gonna jump ship, DONT jump back onto the same s#!t.

Have you thought about selling an actual product in your knowledgeable sphere of influence. Outdoor gear (the crap we sell) or exercise equipment?

YMMV (your mileage may vary),

Tevis

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Tevis Verrett

Alan, gud boogly woogly. I have read most of page 1 before, being incensed to add my .03!

The making money genre is crowded. You have exhausted the information dissemination niche. . . so if you are gonna jump ship, DONT jump back onto the same s#!t.

Have you thought about selling an actual product in your knowledgeable sphere of influence. Outdoor gear (the crap we sell) or exercise equipment?

YMMV (your mileage may vary),

Tevis

Thanks for your advice and thoughts.

Alan

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by LilBlackDress

Alan,

A simple site on SEO? Do you know anything about SEO?

Instead what is your skill set? Build a site focused around that with room to grow.

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

The question is, can you sleep at night after selling people bogus training materials?

Let's just be honest about this thread you've created. You are essentially asking if it's okay to start scamming people since you can't make a legit buck online. You probably don't like to think about it that way, but that's what it boils down to.

The best thing to do at this stage, IMO, is to pack your things up and move onto something else. You can't force things in life. Just because you have an interest in something doesn't mean it's a career fit for you. It may just be a good hobby. Remember, the vast majority of the internet was built as a labor of love hobby.

Hi thanks for the reply! If i am being totally honest then i guess yes that is what i am asking...not necessarily scamming,that does sound harsh, for even with little knowledge of a subject, with the right research you can offer people good information, right? Im guessing lots of people here have affiliate sites that they aren't true experts in....im guessing some people have links in their forum sig selling services and skills, info etc, that they didn't necessarily work out and develop personally? You are right i wouldnt like to think about it as ripping people off, and yes i probably wouldnt sleep well knowing that all i was doing was getting money and giving a poor set of information.. but a good set of information for a good price, that would be ok for me even if i weren't the real expert.

I dont think i will be packing up just yet, as even if i am not making much right now, it is still very addictive and fun.

I have not taken any offence in what you responded and value your input...but i guess that whatever word you want to use, to convince a visitor that you are something that you are not, maybe an authority on a subject....that is not really scamming is it? Otherwise surely IM would only be limited to what someone truly knows about?

Thanks for your reply

Alan

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DubDubDubDot 12 years ago

Originally Posted by asc

even with little knowledge of a subject, with the right research you can offer people good information, right?

I totally see what you are getting at (and it's exactly what every fake guru does), but it doesn't work out this way. Ultimately, the info is either bad or so incomplete that nobody could ever put it to successful use.

The sellers of this info, I think, truly believe in its validity, but can't check it themselves because they aren't doers - they only sell info. It's why basically 100% of courses are a road to nowhere.

It really is the equivalent of giving skydiving lessons when you've never gone skydiving yourself, but you did watch a YouTube video on it. Would you want to learn how to fold your parachute from someone who just got done reading about it online? Of course not. Would you want to learn how to run an online business from someone that read how to do it on forums and ebooks? Again, of course not.

If there was some source of good info that you could put together and sell, everything would be fine..... but where is it at? Certainly not on forums, blogs or guru courses. You can get some good info from these sources and piece it together with your own real world experience, but to go from nothing to expert level info using only those sources? Not happening. No chance.

And really, that MIGHT be why you are having trouble online. Perhaps you are relying entirely on what you are reading and implementing only that. I can't express enough how incomplete the info you read online is. There is sooooo much stuff you need to learn yourself through trial and error. And again, you can't read about that stuff because the talkers aren't doers. It's the type of stuff that only the doers know, and doers don't post that stuff online for you to find.
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- PhilJensen 12 years ago
  
  Find something you enjoy and focus on providing value to your audience.
  
  If you're not making money online don't try to teach others how until you've done it yourself.
  
  Also don't make the mistake of thinking you should teaching people how to make money online just because you make a few hundred dollars a month.
  
  Remember...you're competing with people like Pat Flynn that's making close to $60,000 a month and showing people how's he's doing it.
  
  Good luck
  
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12 years ago

Actually, a member (Aprilm)has just started a thread here (but remaining on the side of morality...)

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-strategy.html

The OP has sort of asked a related question - looking for an honest strategy - I would love to focus on the skills i have and can offer value - mental health,fitness - and i genuinely have a good knowledge base and skills/experience in this field....BUT if i am in a forum like this, is it not a good idea to put together a simple site on SEO, or other surrounding topics, then have a link in my sig?

Or should i totally forget this and consider just focusing on the health-related sites..

Genuinely looking for direction here..

Alan

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Will Edwards

12 years ago

Originally Posted by asc

Actually, a member (Aprilm)has just started a thread here (but remaining on the side of morality...)

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-strategy.html

The OP has sort of asked a related question - looking for an honest strategy - I would love to focus on the skills i have and can offer value - mental health,fitness - and i genuinely have a good knowledge base and skills/experience in this field....BUT if i am in a forum like this, is it not a good idea to put together a simple site on SEO, or other surrounding topics, then have a link in my sig?

Or should i totally forget this and consider just focusing on the health-related sites..

Genuinely looking for direction here..

Alan

Alan, if you are skilled in SEO, then yes, go for it.

Just don't fall for the idea that the MMO niche is a cash cow that anyone can milk - you'll waste a lot of time if you try.

Will

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Will Edwards

Alan, if you are skilled in SEO, then yes, go for it.

Just don't fall for the idea that the MMO niche is a cash cow that anyone can milk - you'll waste a lot of time if you try.

Will

Thanks for your thoughts, starting to think my initial muse is a bad idea and i should stick with my sites I have now and build on them.....

Alan

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LilBlackDress

12 years ago

Originally Posted by asc

Actually, a member (Aprilm)has just started a thread here (but remaining on the side of morality...)

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-strategy.html

The OP has sort of asked a related question - looking for an honest strategy - I would love to focus on the skills i have and can offer value - mental health,fitness - and i genuinely have a good knowledge base and skills/experience in this field....BUT if i am in a forum like this, is it not a good idea to put together a simple site on SEO, or other surrounding topics, then have a link in my sig?

Or should i totally forget this and consider just focusing on the health-related sites..

Genuinely looking for direction here..

Alan

Alan,

A simple site on SEO? Do you know anything about SEO?

Instead what is your skill set? Build a site focused around that with room to grow.

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asc 12 years ago

Originally Posted by LilBlackDress

Alan,

A simple site on SEO? Do you know anything about SEO?

Instead what is your skill set? Build a site focused around that with room to grow.

Hi thanks for the reply. My skillset includes SEO, the list is in the first post.

I would like to take this opportunity to say that I am far from arguing with the responses here, and am fully appreciative of the responses so far..if i question any of your responses it is purely as as it stands i think there might be some potential - hence coming to this forum to ask.
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Mark Singletary

12 years ago

For whatever it's worth:

1. Don't worry about what others are doing. There are lots of "big earning" fakers here who can't pay the rent that's due next week despite what their signature says. With proxy servers and anonymous WHOIS data and hidden "successful" sites that are never revealed and the ease of getting a new username you really have no clue what is what and who is who here.

2. If you already know you won't enjoy doing it then maybe that's a good clue. On the other hand people do pay their bills working at jobs they don't enjoy for years. They do what they don't like normally to help others like a wife or kids.

3. Don't let anyone fool you - there is lots of money to be made in the MMO area. Some of the people who will tell you how hard it is are trying to avoid having another competitor. If you are the only car dealer in town and someone comes along and asks how the car business is because they want to open another one, most people wouldn't talk in glowing terms about the car business just for fear of another competitor.

4. There are plenty of people who are "true" gurus (even I believe they aren't faking it NOW) who started out in the MMO area. In other words this was their first product. Some of the very well known ones fit in this category.

5. Mental health, fitness, etc. are all just about as huge as the MMO field. Don't let a big field necessarily scare you off.

6. If you really want to work in the MMO area, which it sounds that you don't, there are lots of ways to do it without being a scammer or feeling bad about it. For example writing something about or putting up a video about installing Wordpress or little tricks or tips. Another one is to go and buy (don't sell) MMO products and do honest reviews on a blog. Build some traffic to it and focus on one site with great reviews. You buy the products so you can adequately review them. Don't sell anything else - just put up a blog. If you can get traffic and if anyone buys from your links you may be on to something. If not then your itch has been satisfied.

7. But the best thing, from what you've written, to do is to stick to what you already know you enjoy and learn to market those things. Then once you are successful you can choose to go the MMO route if you want to. But if you really learn your lessons and really succeed at building and growing the sites you enjoy working on, you won't need, want, or have time for anything related to MMO. Your life will be much more enjoyable, in my opinion, if you can succeed doing something you like to do. I'd say focus on that but of course it's all your decision.

Good luck to you.
Mark

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Internet Wizard 12 years ago

Alan, I have been marketing online for 12+years and in that time I have more money than most people make in a lifetime. I would still be happy to take advice and buy a WSO (or whatever you are selling) from someone like you.

I believe that the most important ingredient for success in the MMO field is to gain the trust of the people you are selling to. From what you have written above you come across as a genuine and candid guy, (although lacking in direction),

I think Gordon gave some good advice if you want to get into the MMO niche, do something like "follow my journey"...something like this:

Live case study - See how I go from $0 to making $x,xxx per month with [insert your favourite technique here]!!

In fact, I just recently bought a WSO like this in the list building field. No guarantee that it will be successful, but I get to follow a guy doing something I believe will work. I get to watch him make the mistakes instead of me having to do it...that's worth a few bucks to me and maybe I will learn something along the way.

Good luck!
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

For whatever it's worth:

1. Don't worry about what others are doing. There are lots of "big earning" fakers here who can't pay the rent that's due next week despite what their signature says. With proxy servers and anonymous WHOIS data and hidden "successful" sites that are never revealed and the ease of getting a new username you really have no clue what is what and who is who here.

2. If you already know you won't enjoy doing it then maybe that's a good clue. On the other hand people do pay their bills working at jobs they don't enjoy for years. They do what they don't like normally to help others like a wife or kids.

3. Don't let anyone fool you - there is lots of money to be made in the MMO area. Some of the people who will tell you how hard it is are trying to avoid having another competitor. If you are the only car dealer in town and someone comes along and asks how the car business is because they want to open another one, most people wouldn't talk in glowing terms about the car business just for fear of another competitor.

4. There are plenty of people who are "true" gurus (even I believe they aren't faking it NOW) who started out in the MMO area. In other words this was their first product. Some of the very well known ones fit in this category.

5. Mental health, fitness, etc. are all just about as huge as the MMO field. Don't let a big field necessarily scare you off.

6. If you really want to work in the MMO area, which it sounds that you don't, there are lots of ways to do it without being a scammer or feeling bad about it. For example writing something about or putting up a video about installing Wordpress or little tricks or tips. Another one is to go and buy (don't sell) MMO products and do honest reviews on a blog. Build some traffic to it and focus on one site with great reviews. You buy the products so you can adequately review them. Don't sell anything else - just put up a blog. If you can get traffic and if anyone buys from your links you may be on to something. If not then your itch has been satisfied.

7. But the best thing, from what you've written, to do is to stick to what you already know you enjoy and learn to market those things. Then once you are successful you can choose to go the MMO route if you want to. But if you really learn your lessons and really succeed at building and growing the sites you enjoy working on, you won't need, want, or have time for anything related to MMO. Your life will be much more enjoyable, in my opinion, if you can succeed doing something you like to do. I'd say focus on that but of course it's all your decision.

Good luck to you.
Mark

Thanks for taking the time to reply..lots of food for thought there

Alan

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David Keith

12 years ago

Well, I am usually about as out spoken as anyone about newbies teaching stuff they don't know.

That being said, not everything that is sold in the IM niche is a pdf revealing some secret way to make money. There are a lot of legitimate products that a motivated newbie can make almost as easy and as good as an expert.

WP themes, various WP plugins, plr content, lots of video training stuff that is not secret earning guides, tons of software and scripts....the list goes on and on.

My point is that making money in the IM niche does not really mean you must be selling secret money making pdf's. Most guys who sell tools to mechanics don't know too much about fixing cars...but they can still sell those guys wrenches.

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Ashley C

12 years ago

If you know methods that work but haven't applied them yourself, this doesn't have to stop you from selling your knowledge. Plenty of teachers don't have appropriate commercial experience in what they teach... so how's it much different?

You do, however, need to be confident and professional. People may be very wary about handing money over to someone who is inexperienced and doesn't have the right confidence (it can show really easily).

With the skills you've listed, even if not an expert, you can still teach valuable information to others. Targeting Internet marketing newbies might be a good idea. The newbies are hungry to make money online, but often clueless, and therefore need to learn the basic fundamentals to get started.

As for not feeling proficient enough to sell services... I think you probably know more in comparison to the average person than you realize.

I used to do web maintenance for businesses, and I found that 90% of the work only involved simple editing of HTML/CSS, content and CMS settings - despite having years of creative web design experience and qualifications under my belt.

If you target the right audience and offer a simple but in-demand service, you can make some pretty good coin if you put the effort in. PM me if you'd like any further advice or help.

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Nathan251

12 years ago

It's basically the perennial question you are asking here

Do I offer stuff that will make money or do I offer what I am genuinely interested in?

The simple answer is you can do both because if what you offer is of sufficient quality and if there is a genuine passion and insight behind it then you will be rewarded - not everybody needs to focus on forex shares or insurance or mmo or dog training or dating or dieting, there are a zillion other niches and the internet is a huge beast, there is room for all of us

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blando

12 years ago

Originally Posted by asc

Right, won't bore people too much with my life story, but I think I need to make a decision about IM and consider trying to selling products to teach people how to make money online...

Do I know how to do it? not really... Am i successful in IM yet? Not really (few sales but hardly anything to write home about)

Often people ask here for advice or direction, yet don't explain any current skillsets.

My skills - HTML/CSS/Adobe softwares/Flash and actionscript/ (all them skills arent proficient ie, sell services, around 18 months learning at school, so still learning!). Wordpress installation, use, familiarity with plugins etc. Knowledge of onpage and offpage SEO (thanks to Ed Dale!), only link-building via forums so .

Areas of knowledge (outside of web-related topics)..Mental health/depression/anxiety, military careers, fitness and health - in these topics i would consider myself as a knowledgable person.

I did aim and make sites related to the topics I already have a knowledge-base about, but now feel that my time would be better focusing on making a site with 'make money' advice.

Reason for change of heart

1.Not making any money at present.
2.Advised by others to consider this
3.I hear this is a busy forum and looking at lots of people's signatures here, we either have lots of experts here or we have people trying to do exactly what I am considering (actually i am pretty sure there are both here..)
4. I could make a success of it
5. It looks workable in this sort of forum, and I can very much see how it would get an interest on social media (just thinking of most of my friends who are on either min wage or unemployed, tough times atm everwhere..)

Reasons against going down this path

1.Since finding out about IM, I have read lots of advice to concentrate on giving good advice or value, and the money will come..focus on an area that you are interested in and have knowledge about. I like that view very much and it sits comfortable with my 'not ripping people off'attitude.

2.If i set up a site today called makeyourlifecomplete dot com (or whatever you want) and filled it with courses and affiliate products - I would really feel like that is not what I would like to do day in day out..

3. I would feel like a fraud! I think teaching someone what to do, surely to sell with confidence you really must believe in it, especially as you are selling knowledge...

So any thoughts on my situation? Should i consider the making money online niche, and be getting a site up and a signature in my link? Or focus on the things that i actually want to do (glady do the less favourable for more money, for now anyway!)

Alan

Hi Alan,

I suggest you follow your passions and concentrate on your skills you enjoy doing the most. If all else fails at least you will enjoy the time spent.

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asc

12 years ago

Loads of good advice here, thanks for everyone's input.

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AbrahamIM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by David Keith

Well, I am usually about as out spoken as anyone about newbies teaching stuff they don't know.

Interesting thread. I find a lot of people have advised you against doing it but here are my $.02.

I'm successful in the weight loss niche. I have 2 sites on weight loss/looking good and one site on losing weight/getting ripped with 6 pack abs. I have 3 unique persona's in each of these websites, 2 of them women sharing their own personal story of how they lost weight, attracted the best mate, blah blah blah and the guy with the persona of an overweight kid who got ripped muscles and abs and now has all the girls swooning over him.

Now I'm not any one of those things. I'm a guy and I do have some background knowledge into working out and getting ripped because I used to hit the gym as a teenager and even now I workout regularly with dumbbells.

But when seen in relation to your question, I'm probably scamming as is everyone else who is successful and using a persona and true for every other niche from depression treatment to acne to selling camping gear.

I'm skilled with SEO and can drive traffic to my websites and rank for weight loss keywords. Now if anybody is skilled with SEO and can drive traffic to a blog that teaches how to make money online then how is that wrong? Needless to say the person may not want to teach SEO (most will not want to give away their secrets) and instead teach others how to make money online.

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

The question is, can you sleep at night after selling people bogus training materials?

I believe this is the most important question. I can sleep at night knowing I've helped people lose weight. Why not the OP knowing he has helped people make money online by ethically promoting the right courses which indeed teach people the right way to make money online?

My mentor does not smoke but has a quit smoking website that pulls in $300,000/year. Do we say he is wrong?

Obviously I'm not advocating anything here, but I always like to see the other side of the coin (blame it on my genes).

All said and done perhaps the reason you have not made money online is because you are following someone who teaches but does not actually do it. I can highly recommend Mark Ling's AffiloBlueprint as that's what got me making money online along with Bring The Fresh.

But you need to stick with them for a year and not give up. It will also mean not buying any other course or WSO.

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