The Biggest Myth About The Warrior Forum

[AndrewCavanagh]

You can certainly make a good living using the information you get from the Warrior Forum...but only if you take ACTION on that information.

You learn by doing.

You put that in different words (learning from experience) but you're 100% right.

Knowledge tends to be overrated.

It's the knowledge we actually use that's valuable.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

[Gabby12]

This thread has been very informative, being new to IM i would have to agree that there is a wealth of knowledge on this forum and almost everything is here that is needed for success. My problem is that there seems to be a overload at times of information that leads me off into new areas instead of focusing on the main projects that I have going.
To all of the sucessful marketers here, if you were to advise someone how to start today what area and techniques would you reccomenmd that they focus on?
Mark

[Jeff Walker]

Originally Posted by jasonl70

Andy, you really nailed it there!

I got into affiliate marketing 1 year ago fom this month. I think I made around $800 that first month.

And it wasn't by the rage at that time: bum marketing.

I looked at what the really heavy hitters were doing at that time.. and it was squeeze pages.

ie, building a list.

Think about this: when there's a product launch, are there any threads here complaining about all the articles that Frank Kern or Jeff Walker and the others are flooding the article directories with?? are they spammng craigslist,etc ??? are they forum spamming??

lol..nope. everyone complains about getting swamped with emails

<light bulb>

So I simply followed in their foot steps and started building lists.

I set everything up in 1 night. aweber, squeeze page, and yes - ppc.

The next morning, I believe I had spent $20 on adwords, had around 20 opt-ins, and $35 in sales. Heck - at the time I was only hoping to break even, so my list building would be free

Here's the thing - I had no desire to chase after pennies.. I worked as an IT consultant and made $75-100 per hour sub contracting under companies like IBM.

Whatever I did in IM, it had to be worth my time, and it couldn't simply be replacing my hours for dollars - otherwise I could just work an extra hour a day at my J.O.B.

I had higher expectations, higher goals, and hence pursued avenues that where in line with this.

Folks... listen to what Jason is saying here. This is one of the most insightful posts I've seen on this board.


- Jeff

[dou9las]

Originally Posted by Jeff Walker

Folks... listen to what Jason is saying here. This is one of the most insightful posts I've seen on this board.


- Jeff

Jeff,
I find your post quite remarkable, for the following reason:

Just now as I was looking specifically for posts by YOU here at the WF, I actully found that post by Jasonl70 and liked it so much that I clicked the "thank you" button on it.

Then, seconds later after scrolling to the end of the thread, I found your post (which was my original intent) and by whatever mysterious mechanism of synchronicity , you (the "guru" I have been trying to track down, learn from, and communicate to) had confirmed my intuition that Jason's post made a very valuable point. I always love when stuff like that happens.

My original reason for tracking you down here at WF is that I have been on your list, watching your videos, and I love your stuff. And I had been on Frank Kern's list, like his stuff too, but my perspective changed when I found out about PLF. Namely, since I believe PLF was probably the basis for Mass Control, and also, I have learned a LOT more from your free content and blog than I have ever learned from Frank Kerns videos (not to knock him - he is obviously good and knows his stuff. Just seems like you are willing to do more up front for your prospects, and you are great at demonstrating your competence in marketing.)

Unfortunately at the moment, I don't have the budget to purchase a seat on the next PLF (assuming the price tag is around 2k.) As an alternative, I have tried to find people with used copies at a price I can afford (and yes on eBay, but if that is against your terms, tell me and I won't go that route.) And I have also emailed you to offer some kind of exchange of services in return for a previous version of PLF - emails that you may well of promptly ignored or deleted, and in your shoes, I wouldn't blame you

Please let me know if we can work something out. And if not directly, then please let me know what you suggest.

Thanks Jeff!
(p.s. MODS and USERS: I hope this post is not too badly off topic, and I apologize if so!)

[George Sepich]

Hi Ron,
I'm going to answer this without reading the other posts in this thread, because I don't want to be influenced by anybody elses post.

To answer your question, I would say you can. You just have to pick someone that you feel is a successful Warrior, one that is not smoke and mirrors but has real substance and model/copy/swipe everything they are doing. Not taking their copyrighted content of course, but imitating every thing that they are doing right as far as their processes and putting your own twist and spin on it. Don't pay so much attention to what they are saying, but what they are actually doing. It doesn't cost much (if any) to spy on someone, and the more you do it, the more 007 you will become and soon you will be so cool you will be able to drink a martini and their kool-aid they are offering all at once. (Not that i recommend that combo, it sounds like something Kevin Riley would drink

Anyway, I've done the above successfully time and time again, so that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

George

[Tony Vercetti]

I guess it would depend on your definition of "succeed". Some would be happy to get a method that makes $5 a day, and if this is all their goal was, well yes, they have succeeded.

However, if you are trying to build a complete business, with many methods to generate revenue from different sources, then I think it is necessary to look both here, and in other resources, such as other forums, coaching programs, guides, etc.

You don't necessarily have to buy expensive products to be successful IMO, there is a lot of free and low cost information available to those who search for it.

[Louis Raven]

Well, I'm living proof that this forum alone can make you successful.

It has catered for every stage in my IM journey.

I voted yes. But, everyone has different views of being successful so I can't possible answer with a yes or no.

Great thread.

Louis

[sega001]

I agree warrior forum provides great value for newbies and advance IMers to make money online. What sets this forum apart from other ones is one word . . .value.

If people will take the time to use this forum and take advantage of what it has to offer people can make a great living off of it. The more the increase there knowledge the more money they will make. They can receive that here.

[Jeff Walker]

Originally Posted by dou9las

Jeff,
I find your post quite remarkable, for the following reason:

Just now as I was looking specifically for posts by YOU here at the WF, I actully found that post by Jasonl70 and liked it so much that I clicked the "thank you" button on it.

Then, seconds later after scrolling to the end of the thread, I found your post (which was my original intent) and by whatever mysterious mechanism of synchronicity , you (the "guru" I have been trying to track down, learn from, and communicate to) had confirmed my intuition that Jason's post made a very valuable point. I always love when stuff like that happens.

My original reason for tracking you down here at WF is that I have been on your list, watching your videos, and I love your stuff. And I had been on Frank Kern's list, like his stuff too, but my perspective changed when I found out about PLF. Namely, since I believe PLF was probably the basis for Mass Control, and also, I have learned a LOT more from your free content and blog than I have ever learned from Frank Kerns videos (not to knock him - he is obviously good and knows his stuff. Just seems like you are willing to do more up front for your prospects, and you are great at demonstrating your competence in marketing.)

Unfortunately at the moment, I don't have the budget to purchase a seat on the next PLF (assuming the price tag is around 2k.) As an alternative, I have tried to find people with used copies at a price I can afford (and yes on eBay, but if that is against your terms, tell me and I won't go that route.) And I have also emailed you to offer some kind of exchange of services in return for a previous version of PLF - emails that you may well of promptly ignored or deleted, and in your shoes, I wouldn't blame you

Please let me know if we can work something out. And if not directly, then please let me know what you suggest.

Thanks Jeff!
(p.s. MODS and USERS: I hope this post is not too badly off topic, and I apologize if so!)

I'm going to be opening PLF2 again soon - in mid-April, but it doesn't sound like that's an option for you right now.

No guarantees, but send me an email at jeff.plf @ gmail.com and I'll see if we can work something out. Tell me a bit about yourself and any specific skills that you have.


- Jeff

[GavinLively]

No It takes ACTION! Not just reading!

Gavin

[richmannow]

as my mentor says the only thing wrong with any forum is that you can get lost in them so you must know when to stop and take a breath. there is alot to learn from many areas and you must explore

rich

[Steve Johns]

Although I've been a members for a few years, I have only recently seen the err of my ways and made a commitment to become more active.

What you can learn here, from the selfless individuals willing to share their knowledge, is simply priceless.

My advice to someone wanting to build and sustain an online business is to develop solid sales and marketing skills.

Here's is a book that I wrote about 6 years ago but the principles, strategies and techniques still apply today.

You can download it for free - no signup - just download it and study the materials

http://www.moreonlineprofit.com/12Days/HPS_Ebook.zip

-Steve

[RB]

I'm new to the warrior forum, but I've been looking at the diversity of the internet for 4 years now. I've wasted money, as it seems most folks have. I've done so with the spirit of an entrepreneur - one who was looking to invest in a probable business.

I've run my own offline business for 25 years now. Long ago, I attended a conference lead by one of our industry authorities. I learned nothing of value and was sickened by what seemed to be the real reason for the conference - so the speaker could sell his books and videos after the fact.

After the seminar, I told my brother, over a cold one, about my distaste for the conference and speaker.

He replied, "sometimes you just have to attend these things just to find out how much you already know".

With that, I rest my case.

Cheers

[SavvyScarlett]

This is a really insightful thread! Good timing too, as I just posted a thread of my own about information overload and not knowing where to turn next ...

Being a complete newbie who has spent far more than she should have on WSO and eBook products, I'd say yes -- if I'd had the patience and wherewithal to spend many more hours gleaning information from the WF, I probably could have avoided looking elsewhere for advice. But at the same time, there are so many different approaches and methodologies and strategies for IM shared here, it's easy (and almost unavoidable) to become overwhelmed unless you persue learning about only ONE method at a time. Unfortunately I think most of us newbies get sucked into the latest and greatest WSO offerings -- especially the ones that "guarantee" that you'll make X amount of money in only X number of days -- so our focus and intentions become clouded.

I wish there were some kind of mandatory ladder to internet marketing. "You MUST learn bum marketing first before moving onto the next level, grasshoppah!" That would have made things sooooo much easier! ;-)

[regibiz65]

Yes you can learn everything you need to know because there is a wealth of information here. The problem is, some of the learning curves are steep.

Example:

In my experience, grammatic expressions can sometimes be a problem in trying to understand what the writer means. Most times, this is because English might only be their second language.

Secondly, there is the technical terminologies to deal with and the know-how of the application of the instructions given in the particular content. It can be confusing sometimes, and I think that is where learning by trial and error comes in.

Lastly, the willingness to invest. There may be some investment involved which can be intimidating. Sometimes, people don't want to take the financial risks that follows in gaining the knowledge and experience.

If these can be overcome, Warrior Forum is good place to learn. The information here is overwhelming.

[Mario Brown]

Ok I still consider myself a Newbie and I started out with IM in December. I learned about the Warrior forum in January and that's when I joined, so this is out of the perspective of a "Newbie".

The first 1,5 month I was only reading and reading and once I found the WSO section I bought report after report. Way too much information here for a newbie, pointing me in so many different directions that I didn't know where to start.
Once I started one project I got distracted by the next best thing.

There is so much great information in here but you forget about it because you'll read somebody elses' stuff and get distracted again. I haven't made any money by just being a member and reading posts.
Yes I've gotten great ideas, twists, views on things, techniques and tips, but they are wide spread and you have to spend lots of hours to find them.
Then they're still just posts and tips, no concentrated blueprint or detailed step by step plan.
I was about to give up because I couldn't make any money but had to listen to all the stories how much people make and how easy it is to succeed online.

I then joined the 30 day Challenge and went through the Article Marketing Bootcamp.

That's was when I finally made my first money online.
Why?

Because I received concentrated information in a step by step form.

And I think this is what this forum lacks, here you get information overload and as a newbie, if you have trouble to focus, you will end up being pointed in too many different directions.
That's exactly what happened to me and it stopped once I received the information in a concentrated manner and when I stopped reading the warrior forum.

Yes believe it or not, but I actually started making money when I stopped spending all time reading in the Warrior forum.

I forced myself to only spend 90 minutes a day in the Warrior forum, only following people who had a proven track record and who were very successful.
The rest of the time I actually started to implementing what I've learned.

I started to make my first clickbank sales and I made around 350 bucks a month using Article Marketing.

I then stumbled over one of Allen's reports in the War Room (yep, you have to pay to get that informaion, not free) and it totally changed my perspective. I finally understood how this game works and I have to agree that it's all about how scaleable your business model is.

We shouldn't be spending all day blogging, writing aritcles, managing PPC campaigns, building links, mass submitting, squidoo, hub pages, learning html, building lists and so on (but that's exaclty what newbies try to do, they try to learn all this at the same time) ..
We should have our own product and use the fact that thousands out there spend their time doing all that stuff helping you promote your product!

Leverage!

What are 90% of all the forums and membership sites all about? Right, Affiliate Marketing, teaching people blogging, bum marketing, ppc and all that stuff and every day there are hundreds more joining .... they all promote other people's products.

So we need to use this leverage having them promoting our own product. Using them and affiliate's lists to promote our product.

Allens' Post really changed everything for me.

I started to write my first report, I recorded my first video and a fellow warrior helped me setting everything up and I started my first WSO 5 days ago.

What happened then?

I made over 2k in 5 days.

So that's a jump from 350 a month to 2k in 5 days being a Newbie for 3,5 month now.
I see a lot of people here in the forum posting that they do IM for 1-2 years now and they still couldnt reach 50 bucks a month.

How can that be if the information here in the forum is so great?

Because reading alone doesn't help. Information overload doesn't help.

My answer to the main question is that yes you can start making money online by absorbging the information in the Warrior forum but you really have to focus and implement the things learned.

You need to find a step by step plan and follow that plan. Many reputable Warriors offer step by step plans for free.
Focus on successful Warriors and subscribe to their threads, join their blogs and newsletters.

The second part of my answer is that no I don't think that the free info in this forum can bring you to the next level, making serious money online.
It can definitely point you in the right direction but the info isn't concentrated enough.
At some point you'll need a paid program/mentor/course/seminar/workshop to teach you the nitty gritty.

I made my first money because I paid for a bootcamp which delivered a step by step plan, no information overload.

I made my first serious cash because I paid for the concentrated information in the form of a report in the War Room.

I know that there are thousands of struggling Newbies out there because I've been in the same boat just 1,5 months ago. I know exaclty how that feels because it's still fresh in my mind.

Here is what I did and it may help you as well.

Start with one method only and focus on it. That can either be Blogging, article marketing or what ever. Again, Focus just on that one thing!
(Yes I do recommend that you pay for a workshop/bootcamp to get the information in a step by step manner to shorten the learning curve)

This will help you to learn the basic rule, which is:

Product -> Traffic -> Conversion -> Money

Once you got that, start creating your own product.
(Yes I recommend that you do pay for a workshop/course, same reasons apply)

Start slow, start with your first WSO.

By now you should definitely make money online!

Now it's time to reach take the next logical step which is to launch your next product using Leverage (Affiliate's and their lists) launching on clickbank/paydotcom. (I'm not there yet, but soon)
Now you will have other people spend all their time blogging, writing articles and so on for you.

I guess the next step (And I'm not there yet) would be to stop working in your business and start working on your business.
By that I mean that you again use Leverage by outsourcing all the timeconsuming tasks in order to grow your business. By now you should make enough money to outsource.

Focus! Dedicate 2 hours a day for IM. In those 2 hours, shut down your cell phone, close all mesengers, get rid of ANY possible distraction.
Focus on your IM project alone.
Trust me, you wouldn't believe how much you can achieve in 2 hours without any disctraction at all.
Once you are done with your session you can hang out in the warrior forum if you feel like. But do the work first, then chill. Thats how I do it now.

Using this method I got my own product online in 7 days and I made a bit over 2k so far.
It works for me as a newbie, it might work for you as well.

I'm really sorry if I got too off topic here guys, it just came out like that.

To your success,
mario

[Dave Alexander]

The biggest myth about the WF is that everyone is making money, and as a result you have a bunch of people that don't make money teaching others how to do it. Then they go and make a WSO about it.

If you really want to make money online, it requires a series of well placed investments in information and in resources. You have to find a plan that works and stick with it. Honestly, once I found a plan, I'd stay away from here otherwise you are just going to become distracted.

[Dave Alexander]

So if you just started, and you were only making $350 a month...what business do you have selling a WSO called the CPA Blueprint?

Let me guess, you bought Jeremy's course and then reworded it and sold it again? I hope I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by yellowboy

Ok I still consider myself a Newbie and I started out with IM in December. I learned about the Warrior forum in January and that's when I joined, so this is out of the perspective of a "Newbie".

The first 1,5 month I was only reading and reading and once I found the WSO section I bought report after report. Way too much information here for a newbie, pointing me in so many different directions that I didn't know where to start.
Once I started one project I got distracted by the next best thing.

There is so much great information in here but you forget about it because you'll read somebody elses' stuff and get distracted again. I haven't made any money by just being a member and reading posts.
Yes I've gotten great ideas, twists, views on things, techniques and tips, but they are wide spread and you have to spend lots of hours to find them.
Then they're still just posts and tips, no concentrated blueprint or detailed step by step plan.
I was about to give up because I couldn't make any money but had to listen to all the stories how much people make and how easy it is to succeed online.

I then joined the 30 day Challenge and went through the Article Marketing Bootcamp.

That's was when I finally made my first money online.
Why?

Because I received concentrated information in a step by step form.

And I think this is what this forum lacks, here you get information overload and as a newbie, if you have trouble to focus, you will end up being pointed in too many different directions.
That's exactly what happened to me and it stopped once I received the information in a concentrated manner and when I stopped reading the warrior forum.

Yes believe it or not, but I actually started making money when I stopped spending all time reading in the Warrior forum.

I forced myself to only spend 90 minutes a day in the Warrior forum, only following people who had a proven track record and who were very successful.
The rest of the time I actually started to implementing what I've learned.

I started to make my first clickbank sales and I made around 350 bucks a month using Article Marketing.

I then stumbled over one of Allen's reports in the War Room (yep, you have to pay to get that informaion, not free) and it totally changed my perspective. I finally understood how this game works and I have to agree that it's all about how scaleable your business model is.

We shouldn't be spending all day blogging, writing aritcles, managing PPC campaigns, building links, mass submitting, squidoo, hub pages, learning html, building lists and so on (but that's exaclty what newbies try to do, they try to learn all this at the same time) ..
We should have our own product and use the fact that thousands out there spend their time doing all that stuff helping you promote your product!

Leverage!

What are 90% of all the forums and membership sites all about? Right, Affiliate Marketing, teaching people blogging, bum marketing, ppc and all that stuff and every day there are hundreds more joining .... they all promote other people's products.

So we need to use this leverage having them promoting our own product. Using them and affiliate's lists to promote our product.

Allens' Post really changed everything for me.

I started to write my first report, I recorded my first video and a fellow warrior helped me setting everything up and I started my first WSO 5 days ago.

What happened then?

I made over 2k in 5 days.

So that's a jump from 350 a month to 2k in 5 days being a Newbie for 3,5 month now.
I see a lot of people here in the forum posting that they do IM for 1-2 years now and they still couldnt reach 50 bucks a month.

How can that be if the information here in the forum is so great?

Because reading alone doesn't help. Information overload doesn't help.

My answer to the main question is that yes you can start making money online by absorbging the information in the Warrior forum but you really have to focus and implement the things learned.

You need to find a step by step plan and follow that plan. Many reputable Warriors offer step by step plans for free.
Focus on successful Warriors and subscribe to their threads, join their blogs and newsletters.

The second part of my answer is that no I don't think that the free info in this forum can bring you to the next level, making serious money online.
It can definitely point you in the right direction but the info isn't concentrated enough.
At some point you'll need a paid program/mentor/course/seminar/workshop to teach you the nitty gritty.

I made my first money because I paid for a bootcamp which delivered a step by step plan, no information overload.

I made my first serious cash because I paid for the concentrated information in the form of a report in the War Room.

I know that there are thousands of struggling Newbies out there because I've been in the same boat just 1,5 months ago. I know exaclty how that feels because it's still fresh in my mind.

Here is what I did and it may help you as well.

Start with one method only and focus on it. That can either be Blogging, article marketing or what ever. Again, Focus just on that one thing!
(Yes I do recommend that you pay for a workshop/bootcamp to get the information in a step by step manner to shorten the learning curve)

This will help you to learn the basic rule, which is:

Product -> Traffic -> Conversion -> Money

Once you got that, start creating your own product.
(Yes I recommend that you do pay for a workshop/course, same reasons apply)

Start slow, start with your first WSO.

By now you should definitely make money online!

Now it's time to reach take the next logical step which is to launch your next product using Leverage (Affiliate's and their lists) launching on clickbank/paydotcom. (I'm not there yet, but soon)
Now you will have other people spend all their time blogging, writing articles and so on for you.

I guess the next step (And I'm not there yet) would be to stop working in your business and start working on your business.
By that I mean that you again use Leverage by outsourcing all the timeconsuming tasks in order to grow your business. By now you should make enough money to outsource.

Focus! Dedicate 2 hours a day for IM. In those 2 hours, shut down your cell phone, close all mesengers, get rid of ANY possible distraction.
Focus on your IM project alone.
Trust me, you wouldn't believe how much you can achieve in 2 hours without any disctraction at all.
Once you are done with your session you can hang out in the warrior forum if you feel like. But do the work first, then chill. Thats how I do it now.

Using this method I got my own product online in 7 days and I made a bit over 2k so far.
It works for me as a newbie, it might work for you as well.

I'm really sorry if I got too off topic here guys, it just came out like that.

To your success,
mario

[Mario Brown]

@Dave Alexander

1. Yep you are wrong. Jeremy's course was a bootcamp that lasted 30 days, with sessions every day. Would be kinda hard to reword that, wouldn't it?

2. This thread isn't about my WSO, if you have questions regarding that subject click my sig to see the sales letter or send me a pm.

Still I want to answer your question as I feel as I have to defend myself, my WSO is about Article Marketing and driving that traffic to CPA e-mail submit offers.
Newbie friendly, hence CPA Newbie Blueprint.

I hope I could answer your question. If you have furhter concerns, feel free to pm me.

Cheers,
mario

[Dave Alexander]

Originally Posted by yellowboy

@Dave Alexander

1. Yep you are wrong. Jeremy's course was a bootcamp that lasted 30 days, with sessions every day. Would be kinda hard to reword that, wouldn't it?

2. This thread isn't about my WSO, if you have questions regarding that subject click my sig to see the sales letter or send me a pm.

Still I want to answer your question as I feel as I have to defend myself, my WSO is about Article Marketing and driving that traffic to CPA e-mail submit offers.
Newbie friendly, hence CPA Newbie Blueprint.

I hope I could answer your question. If you have furhter concerns, feel free to pm me.

Cheers,
mario

You brought it up, I was just clarifying how you can teach newbs to make money when you were not making any.

Yes, taking action is the key, but you have to take action that will build equity, otherwise you will be stuck making WSO s every time you need some cash.

[Fabian Tan]

Well, I think the poll speaks for itself.

If you want to learn how to become a 'professional', there's a whole world out there besides this lovely forum.

Fabian

[Mario Brown]

Dave I totally agree.
I realized that as well, that's why I mentioned in my post that the next step is to use leverage (affiliates with their lists, cickbank/paydotcom).

Creating WSO after WSO isn't where I see myself, but it was a nice way to get my first experience creating a product and setting everything up to get it online.

Anyways, coming back to the main question, I still don't think that the forum can give you everything to succeed online (unless you're extremely focused), but yes it can definitely point you in the right direction and help you making your first money online.

Cheers,
mario

[RB]

I agree with most of the comments posted here. But let's consider something that hasn't been mentioned - perspective of the person reading information presented by a person with another different perspective.

The perspective of a comment or a read by someone with 2000 posts isn't the same as the perspective of a newbie. That's easy to concur with, but also consider this in another way. Maybe something like, don't forget where you came from compared to where you are now when you communicate in a "from" or "to" direction.

I once saw an interview of a 12 year old boy who had an aging disease (sorry, I've forgotten the name of it) that caused him to appear to others to be 65 years old.

The interview ended with a comment the boy made when asked how does he see himself. He said, I think I'm a pretty cool "kid" from my point of reference and view - from the inside out. But think of how others see him from the outside in.

His position has a totally different reference point (mental not physical reference) than someone evaluating him from the other side of the boys eyes (physical observation and reference)

Interpretation of information presented to you is consequent of perception - different perceptions of both the sender and of the receiver of information. That is the subjective nature of perspective and it yields diversity.

Arranging information in a step by step manner is more difficult with multiple sources of information because it comes from multiple perspectives. So, there is at some point a need to find a mentor or study workshop that can eliminate the subjective nature of information.

Successful marketers (communicators) find a place between the two different perspectives whether it be online or offline. That is when a successful marketer can "tell them what you are going to tell them, tell them what you told them, and then tell them what you sold them".

One can only do this by understanding all points of reference and perspective and by placing your offer (info) in a line that will intersect at some point with other perspectives - that is called a sale (or successful communication).

One last point, successful communication probably should not be as wordy as my post!

Cheers

Rick

[Clark]

How would you know everything you need to know when you don't know everything you need to know?

10 times out of 10, any new development has already been discussed at length here, enough for anyone to dig deeper into acquiring/enhancing their education then applying it online for their business.

Success is a subjective term so the answer to the question is YES, you Can learn everything you need to know to succeed online by reading posts on the Warrior Forum.

The information you accrue when inexperienced should be used as a control against your own methods of implementation then shaped according to your results from ongoing testing.

Knowing what is possible provides one with hope; hope springs desire; desire drives action; action drives testing; testing drives progressive results = success.

How could anyone say NO?

If you did then, why are you here?

[Andrew Maule]

Ron, it's like you said. It's experience. There is so much trial and error with internet marketing and business online in general (i.e. learning how to install a Word Press blog as an example). But I think a large amount can be learned right here on WF. I'm a great example really. I only started paying for information to make it easier to find, faster to learn and when I could afford to.

[GrantFreeman]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Hi Ron,

You can defininitely be successful without buying any information products - especially IM ones, as most of them contain very basic marketing and business info at best.

The things that make you successful are not the things other people can give you.

Persistence, action, a purpose - these are the things that make the difference.

Whether you do that by selling stuff on ebay, running memberships, selling software, or whatever - the approach and mindset are what will make the difference ultimately.

It's as easy to earn $5k a month as it is to make $500 - the problem most people have is that they have such low expectations for their results that they choose models that live up to those expectations.

If you want to earn a million dollars a year, would you really start out with article marketing or adsense sites?

You can make money with almost every model - but some people are so desperate to earn 'anything' or 'something' that they'll listen to any advice and try anything - which results in 'some' results rather than something with the potential to get the results they truely want.

This forum and the information you have access to is more than enough for most people to have what they need information-wise.

Andy

Hi Andy.

This doesn't make much sense to me. I think I understand where you're going, but I get half way through and get hung up on the last two paragraphs.

I think your post is true, if it's assuming that people who come here already have some kind of background in:

• Salesmanship
• Understanding the intermediate workings of autoresponders
• Understanding the intermediate workings of domain names as they apply to positive leverage with SEO

and a few more I can't think of right now. Those are things that must be taught somewhere, understood, and then applied.

Everything you want to have happen, starts with a thought.

Pick a goal..any goal

This is the most basic level, and sets the wheels in motion for more thoughts, more thoughts lead to desire, desire leads to wanting, wanting leads to doing.

These are the baby steps everyone conciously or unconciously makes to reach the end result.

Repeat this thought process enough in a positive frame of mind, and it becomes a very good habit to have. But...

That information needs to come from somewhere to most people. Information products. How to do something, in order for it to manifest into a thing.

Sometimes people get inspiration and motivation from reading an Internet Marketing Guide, because it gives them hope that they can do it too. This also gets the wheels of thought turning in the right direction. So in that sense..

People give more in writing than just ebooks with a fancy graphic and information inside it. It could include a story that might change some ones life forever. It could communicate to them specific information, told in a different way than the previous books they read, that makes something "click" for them.

That story, that single story could mean the difference between success and failure for some people. That's an unexpected gift worth sharing.

Grant

[GrantFreeman]

Oh, duh! To answer the OP question?

Yes, I think you can. But I don't think it's the fastest, most practical way.

Grant

[SavvyScarlett]

@Mario - Brilliant post! Would you mind pointing out which report of Allen's is the one that inspired you? I've enjoyed everything in the War Room so much but I fear I may have missed that one ...

I was a bit surprised that you launched a WSO after such a short period of time, BUT one of the WSOs I bought ended up being entirely geared towards encouraging newbies to write WSOs to make money, which I found really surprising. I don't personally feel qualified enough to write or offer anything to WF members yet, but within a few months, you never know! Everyone learns at a different pace and their own level. Congratulations on coming so far so quickly!! :-)

[Mario Brown]

Hi SavvyScarlett,

thank you for your feedback.
Here is where you'll find the report:
War Room -> My Ideas, Strategies & Plans -> Product Creator vs. Affiliate Marketer

I hope the Report will have the same impact on you.

It totally changed my perspective and I'm already working on my first Click Bank product.

Cheers,
mario

[tommyp]

The main problem with saying that a person can learn anything they need from this forum, or any other forum, is that not everyone has the same disposition and ability to carry out someone else's philosophy and there are too many people posting who are faking it - My guess is they want to appear to be an expert and shine among peers. They are parrots who just repeat any old garbage they heard somewhere else just to show that they know and feel like that they can fit in.

They're like those kids that follow the group and imitate the perceived leader so that they can be cool, too but they usually only fool others who are on their level and look like idiots to others. I think most of us have done that at some time.

Also, too many people throw out their theories and ideas they just concocted out into the open as if they are fact instead of preempting by making it clear that something is just what they think.

Even people that aren't beginners are not going to know tell the difference between reliable and unreliable.

A lot of what is posted is garbage.

You can pick up useful stuff here and there but a person won't know what to accept and reject until they've fallen a few times. They haven't developed enough experience yet that will allow them to judge for themselves. Unless it's someone I've already come to trust I take whatever I read on forums with a grain of salt.

When it comes down to it I'd rather pay an expert who will gather everything in one place and teach it to me in a away that almost no one will in a forum.

[JHS09]

Hi everyone
As I am very new here and my opion is not counted heavily upon, I would have to vote No. With so much good information in the forum, I find myself wandering around for hours, soaking up all the info, tips, and tricks that I can. But we all know, what works for some person, might not work for someone else. So the the problem lies in trial and error, of finding for yourself, what works for you. Although you can find a lot of information, which you are all very good at, no one can teach you how to succeed. If that were the case, many of these post and threads would not exist. Still waiting to see, what it takes for me to succeed.

[SavvyScarlett]

Awesome, thank you Mario! :-)

Scarlett

Originally Posted by yellowboy

Hi SavvyScarlett,

thank you for your feedback.
Here is where you'll find the report:
War Room -> My Ideas, Strategies & Plans -> Product Creator vs. Affiliate Marketer

I hope the Report will have the same impact on you.

It totally changed my perspective and I'm already working on my first Click Bank product.

Cheers,
mario