Question For WSO Sellers/Buyers.

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Hey Warriors,

Few days back, i got an idea about an unbiased, buyer based rating cum review script, that could work on WSO's, in real time.

Basically, it's the warrior forum's only 'Real buyer rating' script, before i ask my question i would like to explain you the concept:

1) WSO seller's (the one using w+ as payment button) login to the website (can't share the name as it could be seen as self promotion) and they get 2 things i.e a Rating badge (to be pasted in WSO) and "Rate Now" Button (to be put on Download Page).

2) So the buyer who bought WSO product from the seller (WSO seller, using the Rating Badge) get an immediate rating link (followed by his payment for WSO) to his paypal email address.

3) Buyer Rate the seller out of 10 and leave his comment/review.

4) Based on buyer's rating, the 'stars' of rating badge, increase/decrease and it shows the 'rating' score of seller in real time, updated on the badge itself, on WSO.

5) Potential buyer's could click on the badge and check the previous buyer's reviews.

6) This was 'rating badge' on the WSO would get updated by real buyer's review and potential buyer's could read them too.

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QUESTION:

Originally i launched it few days back however due to massive changes in w+ system, i need to get the whole script updated with new changes.

So, as a WSO seller, are you willing to use it (If it's 100% free) on your WSO's? If not, then could please share your views that what could be done in the concept, so that you could use it?

As a WSO Buyer, do you want sellers to have a real time buyer based review system, where buyers could rate seller/WSO in real time?

Looking for your feedback on whole concept.

Thanks,
Carson
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    In theory, it sounds pretty good, but as both a seller and buyer of WSOs I would to know what the vulnerabilities of it are. Seems like anything like that would have a high chance of being "gamed" by clever people, thus rendering it useless.

    Also, as a seller I'm not too keen on anything more that I have to "set up", there are enough things to remember as it is.

    As a buyer, I personally doubt I would use it. I would much rather offer a real review, than click a star rating.
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    • Profile picture of the author CAPTCHAbiz
      Originally Posted by Michael D Forbes View Post

      In theory, it sounds pretty good, but as both a seller and buyer of WSOs I would to know what the vulnerabilities of it are. Seems like anything like that would have a high chance of being "gamed" by clever people, thus rendering it useless.

      Also, as a seller I'm not too keen on anything more that I have to "set up", there are enough things to remember as it is.

      As a buyer, I personally doubt I would use it. I would much rather offer a real review, than click a star rating.
      Hey Michael,

      Thanks for your review on the concept.

      Actually, talking about buyer's review, there are threads with 1000's of posts in it, so many times buyer's voice get lost in the crowd. Same way, there might be few people who really don't want to come and type in the whole review, they rather prefer pressing few button to express there results.

      Before designing the concept, i have actually worked on most of the potential problems. The system cannot not be gamed until unless a person would purchase his own product from various paypal accounts (i don't think seller with this intention would actually put the badge on the WSO).
      Further, i think WSO's are still gamed by providing free review copies or even asking for friends/partners to come and write for you, immediately after the launch of WSO [I know this is not permitted on WF, but it is a sad truth]

      The whole point of the concept, is to get review from the people who have actually 'paid' using there paypal, so i feel that it could make a difference.

      Finally, regarding setup, it's just a copy and paste of few lines, like pasting 'buy now' button in WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I wouldn't use it because as like any other similar type of review system, there is way too much room for manipulation. People will start paying others to vote for them and the like. It will achieve nothing and thus it's not a rating I would pay any attention to.

    What problem are you actually trying to solve here? If it's people selling crappy products then this is not going to solve that problem. I don't see any advantage of this type of system over how things are currently done. I much rather be able to read reviews and judge their worthiness by looking at the Warriors reputation around these forums.

    You are also asking people to rate a WSO right after they paid for it. How can those kind of reviews be accurate? A real review should only be after people have had a decent amount of time to consume and implement the product.

    I would also be quite surprised if it was something the mods of this forum would let you implement. Testimonials and reviews are a very touchy subject nowadays so they (admin) need to be very careful of how that is done. So I wouldn't bother doing too much more creation until you have at the very least run it pas them. Otherwise you could be wasting a lot of your time on something that could never eventuate.

    P.S. I had this same idea about a year ago. I quickly canned the idea for the reasons I mentioned above.
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    • Profile picture of the author CAPTCHAbiz
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I wouldn't use it because as like any other similar type of review system, there is way too much room for manipulation. People will start paying others to vote for them and the like. It will achieve nothing and thus it's not a rating I would pay any attention to.

      What problem are you actually trying to solve here? If it's people selling crappy products then this is not going to solve that problem. I don't see any advantage of this type of system over how things are currently done. I much rather be able to read reviews and judge their worthiness by looking at the Warriors reputation around these forums.

      You are also asking people to rate a WSO right after they paid for it. How can those kind of reviews be accurate? A real review should only be after people have had a decent amount of time to consume and implement the product.

      I would also be quite surprised if it was something the mods of this forum would let you implement. Testimonials and reviews are a very touchy subject nowadays so they (admin) need to be very careful of how that is done. So I wouldn't bother doing too much more creation until you have at the very least run it pas them. Otherwise you could be wasting a lot of your time on something that could never eventuate.

      P.S. I had this same idea about a year ago. I quickly canned the idea for the reasons I mentioned above.
      Hey Will,

      Thanks for your response.

      Personally, i think manipulation is still available in the form of review copy, or testimonials from partners/friends, and presently it's very easy to do so.

      So, the idea of the script is that the system 'at least' involves a person who is transacting to the WSO seller. Right now, any one could come and put there reviews (which could be fake of course). However script could only be rated by the buyer himself as rating link is sent to the paypal email.

      Further, it's not 'instant' review thing. Buyers of WSO, would get a review and rating link immediately after there purchase however link won't get expired. They could rate it whenever they feel too (as a buyer myself i would rate it after implementing the methods/process as mentioned in the WSO ebook).

      I don't think mods/admin should have any problem in approving it, it is 'at least' something which is truly buyer based system, rather them some random review from probably a 'friendly source'

      Thanks for your words, i already have the script ready, i am just looking for more ideas that sellers/buyers would like to see in it like some extra addons.

      Thanks,
      Carson
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    • Profile picture of the author CAPTCHAbiz
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      To be blunt, I think we already have enough third-parties leeching off the Warrior Forum as it is. We have a system in place now that allows customer feedback - we don't need another one.

      Additionally, unless the rating system is deployed and administered by the WF, it's credibility will always be suspect.
      Hey Mike,

      I did some research, but can't find one.

      Could you please direct me to any buyer based rating system on WF?
      If there is one, my apologies, i missed it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Hi Carson,

    While I appreciate the effort, I have to say that I don't think it will fly.

    Yes, it's true that comments in the WSO thread can be manipulated, BUT they have the added benefit of context; a star rating does not. In other words, a person visiting a WSO can now read through all of the comments and get a good feel for which ones are real.

    With a star rating in the WSO itself, a lot of people would NOT take the time to read the comments. They would look at the rating as a snapshot of the overall integrity of the WSO, but there would be no true understanding of how a particular star rating was derived.

    That's from the prospective buyer's point of view, but then there is also the actual buyer's point of view.

    Rating something on a scale of 1 to 10 is fine, however, many buyers like to EXPLAIN their thoughts about the product. A rating system would still allow them to do that, but fewer people would read those comments, so fewer buyers may write reviews.

    As far as gaming the system goes, good or bad, it would be too easy. The WSO seller could get a bunch of people to "buy and rate high" and then give them a refund as soon as their rating was recorded. Nefarious competitors could "invest" some of their money to pay people to "buy and rate low".

    Plus, with the rating system you are talking about, it would only be available to people who still use Warrior Plus. What about those who don't use it?

    There will never be a perfect rating system, but I believe the one we have now is about as good as it gets. Why? Because it offers context, feedback, and discussion.

    Again, I appreciate your efforts, but it just doesn't seem practical or worthwhile to me.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author CAPTCHAbiz
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Hi Carson,

      While I appreciate the effort, I have to say that I don't think it will fly.

      Yes, it's true that comments in the WSO thread can be manipulated, BUT they have the added benefit of context; a star rating does not. In other words, a person visiting a WSO can now read through all of the comments and get a good feel for which ones are real.

      With a star rating in the WSO itself, a lot of people would NOT take the time to read the comments. They would look at the rating as a snapshot of the overall integrity of the WSO, but there would be no true understanding of how a particular star rating was derived.

      That's from the prospective buyer's point of view, but then there is also the actual buyer's point of view.

      Rating something on a scale of 1 to 10 is fine, however, many buyers like to EXPLAIN their thoughts about the product. A rating system would still allow them to do that, but fewer people would read those comments, so fewer buyers may write reviews.

      As far as gaming the system goes, good or bad, it would be too easy. The WSO seller could get a bunch of people to "buy and rate high" and then give them a refund as soon as their rating was recorded. Nefarious competitors could "invest" some of their money to pay people to "buy and rate low".

      Plus, with the rating system you are talking about, it would only be available to people who still use Warrior Plus. What about those who don't use it?

      There will never be a perfect rating system, but I believe the one we have now is about as good as it gets. Why? Because it offers context, feedback, and discussion.

      Again, I appreciate your efforts, but it just doesn't seem practical or worthwhile to me.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Hey Michael,

      Awesome post, direct to the point, practically, on the whole concept.

      I think i should first test it on my own WSO's and see the potential 'loop holes' and then decide to put it live or not.

      Thanks for the words Michael.

      Thanks,
      Carson
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Barrs
    Captcha -

    I was going to reply to this, but whatever I would write has already been written above. No to both questions, not as a seller, not as a buyer.

    I would see it as just "one other unnecessary thing".

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